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A05090 A plaine refutation of M. G. Giffardes reprochful booke, intituled a short treatise against the Donatists of England Wherein is discouered the forgery of the whole ministrie, the confusion, false worship, and antichristian disorder of these parish assemblies, called the Church of England. Here also is prefixed a summe of the causes of our seperation ... by Henrie Barrovve. Here is furder annexed a briefe refutation of M. Giff. supposed consimilituda betwixt the Donatists and vs ... by I. Gren. Here are also inserted a fewe obseruations of M. Giff. his cauills about read prayer & deuised leitourgies. Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. 1591 (1591) STC 1523; ESTC S104500 292,873 278

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therfore complained of all yt was but an error But wheras Gods word is imbraced and multitudes abhorr idolatrie and labour with sorowfull teares to be purged from their sinnes it is intollerable pride presumption of men to set themselues in Gods iudgment seate and to condempne all of wilfulnes and obsti●acie Let it be shewed that anie led by Gods Spirit haue dealt in this sort and especially in chardging them whom they condempne most falslie as shall appeare HERE you verie vehemently chardge vs with intollerable pride presumption intrusion into Gods iudgment seate to be voide of Gods Spirit to chardge and condempne you most falslie as you say shall appeare How iustly you chardge vs with these crimes and dischardge your self and these assemblies of these present transgressions vpon the scanne of your answere shall appeare In the meane time the holy Ghost sheweth vs what spirit you are led by at the writing therof and hath foretold how vvell you shall endure and reforme at the manifestation of your sinnes and at the powring out of the cuppe of the Lords indignation where he saith They shall drinke and be moued and be madd because of the sword that sha●l come vpon them And in another place And the fift Angel powred forth his viall vpon the Throne of the Beast and his kingdome waxed darke and they gnawed their tongues for sorowe and blasphemed the God of heauen for their paines and their sores but repented them not of their workes It suffised you not to cauill and spurne against the manifest truth of our former Articles but you must in this not only leaue out our words at your pleasure but abuse them that remaine after your owne lust Our Article speaketh of the assemblies as they generally stand in England You retort our words to Gods secret election which we acknowledg and daily see and praise Gods name for it Yet no multitudes but a litle poore remnant as the beries of a beaten Oliue tree the grapes after the grape-gathering one of a Citie two of a Tribe in respect And it is to be doubted those multitudes you speake of will shrink when they come to his ass●ye whose furnace is in Sion and fire in Hierusalem But if it should be so as you say the heauie wrath of God hāgeth ouer your heades that haue a people so redie and fit for the kingdome of CHRIST and suffer them to continue in this confusion false worship antichristian bondage euen the snare of the Deuil and not only not leade them out of it but not suffer thē that would to depart and thus slay them that should not dye Yea you smite the Phisitiā that seeketh to heale you and are enimies to them that shew you your trāsgressiōs iudging them voide of the spirit of God But if you had but considered that Prophets zeale as you remembred his error you should haue found him zealous ●eruent against Baalls Priests in Gods quarrell It were long to recite the number of Gods faithfull seruāts which are euerie where cōmended in the scriptures for their zeale diligēce herein Or againe the Lords iudgments not onlie vpon perticular men but whole Contries nations for the contempt neglect therof So then if it fall out that the lawe and word of God condempne you of these transgressions what are we that we should iustifie you in your iniquities nay rather proude hawtie and scornfull is his name that worketh in his arrogancie wrath c. To blazon your transgressions as they deserue requireth rather a quire then a shead of paper And to say the truth it is an yrksomnes vnto anie godly conscience either to heare or recite them Yet because ther is no cause so bad which shal not finde as bad a patrone we will only examine your answeres and brieflie shew their insufficiencie THE first fault is That we worship the Lord after a false maner because our worship is said to be made of the invention of man yea of the man of sinne erronious imposed vpon vs. I answere that our worship is the imbracing of the holy Bible by the doctrine therof we seeke to belieue in God to call vpon him and to doo all good workes Manie Ministers ther be in England which haue not approued the booke of common praier further then they are perswaded it is consonant to Gods word hor vsed anie thing therin which they iudge corrupt But you say all read prayer is idolatrie But you must bring better stuffe to proue yt then your spirituall fantasies so directly ouerthrowne by the holy scriptures howsoeuer they may be cauilled against with fond distinctions as the hereticks haue done in other matters THE first Transgression we chardge your assemblies with is That you worship God after a false maner your worship being made of the invention of man euen of the man of sinne erronious and imposed vppon you You answere your worship is the imbracing the holy Bible Thus begging the question you neither proue your worship by the Bible nor answere one of these 4 apparant reasons which we bring in our Articles whie yt is false contrarie to the Bible For the furder manifestation of your worship in perticular let that great Idoll the booke of your cōmon prayer which is so full of errors blasphemies and abhominations be examined by the word of God See if you can finde in the new Testament your Romish Fastes your Ember dayes Sainctes Eaues Lent or your Idoll Feastes your Alhallowes Candlemasse your seuerall Lady dayes Saincts dayes the dedicating of your Churches to Saincts your Comminations Rogations Purifications Tithe● Offrings Mortuaries your maner of visiting the sick housling them with the Sacrament your Absolution your blasphemous Diriges and funerall sermons ouer and for the dead your corrupt maner of administring the Sacraments your Font crossing in baptisme your Baptising by women Gossippings the blasphemous Collects you vse in this Sacrament your Bishoppings with all your hereticall Collects in that Booke which is a wearines to vs to repeate though not in you to vse tollerate and defend But all this geare must be swallowed vp This candle may not be lighted lest the people looke into the abhominable ingredients which you their antichristian Ministers giue them or rather sell them in the whore of Babilons Cupp to the destruction of their soules But you know some Ministers in the land which neither vse nor approue the Booke further then they are perswaded in conscience it is consonaut to Gods word But you know none that vse not the Booke You know neuer a Minister in this land which either is authorized by the state or standeth in puplique place which standeth nor vnder this Idoll or that hath throwne yt out by the power of the word or withdrawne the people from yt with al their preaching these 29 yeares but ioyne their Gospel to yt minister to that people that vse yt c. Neither can the conningest
conscience botchers these Preachers of the Gospell to winne and keepe credite with the world How zealous in some place tyme auditorie where they may be wel backed they wil seeme against some triffles as though they were of most precise and vnstayned conscience And againe how luke-warme colde and backward they wilbe in the same poyntes at an other tyme place and auditorie How strange to the poore that shal desire their iudgmēt of some poynctes especially of these But cheiflie if any haue espied more light then they would they should and doe but make question of their ministrie worship Church c with what exquisite sleights they will seeke to drawe them backe as rūning too farre too fast before their guides with what poysoned cauills to quench their zeale and spirite to pleade for and defend their sinne and apostasie These thinges to dicusse or but to shew in perticular with their due circumstances would require a longe and lardge discourse yea no booke were able to containe all their diuelish deuises and delusions which euen fill that flying volume the Prophet speaketh of Sathan hauing his fordge of all mischeife continually going amongst them Al which their dealings euidently shew what kinde of ministers and preachers of the Gospel they are Which drawe the people vnto and with their preaching keepe them in this defection apostasie from the Gospell which keep the people from and will not leade them to the sinceare practize of the Gospell but with their schole learning drawe a veale before CHRISTS face that the people might not see to the end of his ministrie neither discerne what CHRISTES will is for any action of the Church or to examine by the rules of CHRISTES Testament any thing by publick au●thoritie established Yea we see and haue shewed how they drawe the people vnto and themselues administer by an other Lei●ourgie then Christ● Testament which prescribeth an other kinde of administration both to themselues and to the whole Church in all thinges then CHRIST hath prescribed We see haue shewed how they hold all the people vnder this more then Babilonish yoke of these antichristian Prelates their Courtes c and stand themselues the marcked Ministers sworne subiects and bond seruantes of these their Lordes haue fetched their ministrie licence to preach and their whole administratiō from them how they are prescribed stinted limited censured silenced deposed by them how they haue submitted and betrayed themselues Church Gospell Christ to these enemies Also what merchandize they make of their prayers Gospel preaching sacramentes selling all and themselues to for money What trafique they make of their benefices how they come by them and part from them how they haue in all thinges gonne astray forsaking the right waye hauing followed the waye of Balaam of B●sor that loued the hire of vnrighteousnes and are in all thinges so throughly corrupted as they are the most bitter pestilent enemies of the kingdome of CHRIST and of the sinceare practize of the Gospel Deuising to themselues their miserable followers daily new errors bye pathes as faste as the old wherin they haue walked are discouered as any that will take the paynes to examine by the rules of the Scriptures their bookes of discipline and new formes of reformation or rather those antient primatiue defections which they seeke againe to reuiue shall perceiue For mie part I am euen ir●ked to raue in this bottomlesse abysme of their iniquities which the more they are looked into still offer more matter of reproofe euen without end Wherfore I euē with wearines here cease furder to speake of their corrupt administration hoping that by this alreadie said at the least vpon due examination therof it may appeare to al men that this their whole administration and preaching of the worde is altogether as corrupt and in all poynctes rightly fitteth vnto their antich●istian office entrance It now remayneth that we hast to and ouer their maintenance THE maintenance of the ministri of the Church of ENGLAND is of these fower sortes 1. Either by lordly reuenues with their royal rightes ciuill iurisdiction Courtes baron tenancies c belonging thervnto 2. Or by fees and pollages taysed rauened in their spiritual Courtes for iudging pleading solliciting writing fetching vp sommoning 3. Or by gleabes and tithes 4. Or ells by annual set stipendes The first forte of these we haue alreadie shewed to belong to Princes to ciuile Lordes and persons and to be vtterly vnlawful and forbidden to the ministrie of CHRIST Mr. G●F his liberall maintenance or the ordinance of the Church cannot mainteine them Neither will that worde Philoxenos which they so lardgly stretch interpreat carrie half this pompe To the second sort we affirme these Courtes Officers Iudges Aduocates Proctors Registers Purseuantes Sommoners together with all their functions the orders of their Courtes maner of iurisdictiō pleading c where all thinges are pleadable if not vendible for money where al causes euen the most foule finde their aduocates colours defence delayes for mony c Al these spiritual Courtes officers iudgments pleadings customes we finde diuelish antichristian and not to appertaine to the Church kingdome of CHRIST but to belong to the kingdome throne of Antichrist and of the Beaste And therfore may conclude that they are the reuenues of sinne not to belong to the ministrie of CHRIST The third kinde these tithes we finde merely ceremoniall to haue bene ordayned for and belonged vnto the Leuiticall ministerie vnder the lawe We finde them an inheritance of the Leuites An offering of the people Therfore they cannot in this maner by lawe by tyed to the ministrie of CHRIST be made an inheritance vnto them an offring of the people vnto them For if there be a chandge of the Priest-hoode the● of necessitie must there be a chandge of the Lawe No part of the ceremoniall lawe or of those shadowes can be ioyned vnto the Gospell ministrie of CHRIST they or any part of them cānot now be reuiued or retayned without the denial losse of CHRIST And how is the ceremoniall lawe abrogate whilest these tithes are in this maner allotted by lawe vnto the ministrie of the Gospell as an inheritance to them as an oblation of the people euē as in former tyme vnto the Leuites The Princes cōmandement or the Churches decree cannot alter the nature of these tithes to make them either ciuile or lawfull God was the aucthor of this law he made it ecclesiastical Man can neither chandge the propertie or y e end therof to make that ciuile that God hath make ecclesiastical Kinge EZECHIA cōmanded reuiued this lawe it became not therbie ciuile A godly Prince cōmandeth al the lawes of the first Table all the ordinances of Christs Testament shall they therbie be made ciuile and no longer ecclesiastical or Gods lawes The decree of the Church also alleadged by Mr. G. sheweth it ecclesiastical for the Church
name and honor therwith for the reformation wherof this hipocrit somtimes stood a zealous sutor to the Parliamēt Yea he now maketh his Prince an opposite aduersarie vnto Christ one that will not be admonished or be obedient to Gods word If these abuses he then complained of were iust or tollerable how could he sue to haue them abolished and that by a positiue lawe If they be contrarie to the word of God how then can he now obey them or blame vs for refusing to obey them The Lord deliuer our Souereign Que●ne from such Sycophants such impostors as these false Prophers are that are faithful neither to God nor her but most dangerouslie seduce highly abuse her gracious disposition which hath euer bene inclinable to anie truth of God that hath bene sincerely shewed vnto her It is no shame neither anie new thing but a most high honor and praise for godly Princes to redresse things that are amisse when they are shewed by Gods word Neither it is anie iniurie to the Prince whē the faithful witnesse against and refreigne anie thing that is contrarie to Gods word Or dishonor to the Prince to amend the same how long soeuer the abuse hath continued as this Accuser and Flatterer suggesteth The rest of whose criminations accusations against vs our indeuours and proceadings I deferr to answere vntill we come to the Articles Yet now that the groundworke and true causes of all his bitter invectiues and grieuous charges against vs may appeare to all men we haue here set downe in print the originall and whole former passage betwixt vs and him concerning these poinctes in cōtrouersie That the Reader may the better discerne and iudge of these our present writings And also see what cause ther was giuen him thus to accuse reproch and blaspheme vs as heretickes Schismatickes disobedient and iniurious to Princes Anabap●ists Don●●ists Brownists with infinite vile and reprochfull obiectiues wherwith his treasurie is stored If in those writings appeare no such matter thē we protest that to our knowledg we neuer gaue him cause thus to accuse and blaspheme vs he being a man altogether vnknowē by person vnto vs and neuer so much as seene spoken vnto or medled with by vs the writers of these things otherwise then by those writings here insuing whervnto also we were prouoked by himself who would needs take vpon him this quarrell Which how christianly and soberly he hath handled and performed let him of his owne mouth be iudged euen by euerie sentence of his Bookes which are referced with most grieuous and inaudible raylings not so much as speaking of vs in anie place therof without some hard cruell and dispightfull words and bitter reuilings and cursings All which in our innocencie as the sparow and swallow by flying we shal escape And hauing therby discouered his spirit easely passe ouer without regarding or answering the same Turning also from his person as much as may be as from a most vnreasonable and vnhonest man with whome we would be loath to haue furder to doo Fixing our eies wholye vpon the matter set before vs Indeuoring to make proofe and euident demonstration of these charges for which we forsake their assemblies and haue all this time suffred vnder their tyrannous handes As also to cleare our profession and proceadings herein of such calumniations and reproches as this our malignant aduersarie defameth them with And this in all breuitie truth and good conscience as so variable and infinite a matter wil permit Wherin if in anie poinct we deale obs●urely insufficiently for as the man is such is his strength we desire that the truth may not suffer preiudice therby But that the learned and wise Reader wil rather confirme repaire our weake or loose reasons yea by our insufficiencie be prouoked euen in zeale loue of the truth to handle it more exactly Wherin we shall gladly gyue place and much reioyce But if in anie thing we be found to depart from the truth we desire to be louingly reduced yet condingly reproued and censured vowing through Gods grace neuer to resist anie truth that shal at any time be shewed vs neither to resfuse to be reformed The lesse faltes as the errors in the writing or print we shall desire the Reader charitably to construe correct And if ther be found or rather abound anie imperfect or redundant sentences let those be imputed chiefly to the want of better skill in the writers and partly to their decayed memories to the inconveniencie of the place the continual tossings turmoiles searches riflings and no peace or meanes giuen vs either to write or reuise that we had written To conclude we beseach and admonish the Reader not to be withdrawen from the truth by anie fore-conceived opinion either of our tenuitie of giftes and base estate or of the excellencie and multitude of our aduersaries for that were dangerous to themselues But rather diligently to ponder their owne wayes the issues therof and where they finde themselues to erre speedely to retorne to the truth without cunctation or excuse that so they may finde peace and assurance to their owne soules Which grace we euen wish to our greatest enimies and shall not cease to pray that God may thus blesse our indeuoures A BRIEF SVMME OF the causes of our seperation and of our purposes in practise withstood by G. G. defended by H. B. as followeth WE seeke aboue all thinges the peace and protection of the most high and the kingdome of CHRIST IESVS our Lord. 2 WE seeke and fully purpose to worship God aright according as he hath commaded in his most holy word 3 WE seeke the fellowship of his faithfull obedient seruants and together with them to enter Couenant with the Lord and by the direction of his holy Spirit to proceed to a godly free and right choise of Ministers and other Officers by him ordeyned to the seruice of his Church 4 WE seeke to establish and obey the ordinances lawes of our Sauiour Christ left by his last will Testament to the gouerning guyding of his Church without altering changing innouating wresting or leauing out anie of them that the Lord shall gyue vs sight of 5 WE purpose by the assistance of the holy Ghost in this faith order to leade our lyues and for this faith order to leaue our lyues if such be the good will of our heauenly Father to whom be honor glorye Amen 6 AND now that our forsaking vtter abandoning of these disordered assemblies as they generally stand in England may not seeme strange nor offensiue to anie man that will iudge or be iudged by the word of God we alledge affirme them heinously guiltie in these 4 principall Transgressions 1 THEY worship the true God after a false maner their worship being made of the invention of man euen of that man of sinne erronious imposed vpon them 2 FOR that the prophane vngodly
to make hauock of them and excōmunicate at his pleasure But al theis transgressions and enormities whatsoeuer you thinke to heale or hide at the least with these 2 drye wythered fig-leaues The one That you cannot remedie the matter Thother Priuate mē may not reforme In the first you cōfesse your selues depriued of that powre which Christ vnto the worlds end hath left vnto his Church to reforme redresse things amisse In tho'ther depriued of al christia libertie will so much as to saue your owne soule and to come forth of this Babilonish bondage you stand in still dreaming of the reformatiō of your idolatrous Sinagogs and seeking to heale the wounde of the Beast comparing them to the Temple of God and still begging the question frame your Arguments as though your people were faithful and your prayer holie Alas it were better you toke example by the fearefull iudgmēts of God vpon y e Temples and learned of the faithfull seruants of God which in the idolatrous dayes of Achas 〈…〉 c ref●eined from that they could not amend rather then in this ●rantick maner to blaspheme the name of Christ whervpon we are called by comparing vs to Anabaptists Heretiks for obeying the voice of God that calleth vs from emong you and for telling you the truth THE 3 fault is A false Antichristian ministrie imposed mainteined Here is no reason rendred whie it is a false Antichristian ministerie which is imposed Yf yee be Prophetts raised vp of God we must belieue that which you say but they did not lye in anie matter but euerie man may see that you haue in the former Article lied We may not therfore giue credit to your imaginations We haue more to proue that ther be manie faithfull Ministers of Christ in the land then that anie shalbe able to ouerthrow This I would wi●h that simple men would haue thus much wisdome as to suspend their iudgment if they be in doubt and so enquire if ther be anie churches of Christ vnder heauen what they do iudge of the Minist●rie churches of England For if ther be no Church of Christ nor ministerie and all the famous men in all the Churches say we be knowing our estate as they doo right well then be they all guyltie then where shall we finde the Church Shall we seek yt emongst a few vncharitable men which cannot shew anie Church which agreeth vvith them so nerely as the Anabaptists Donatists Let it be set downe vvhat maketh a true Minister of Christ and then if that be not found in manie Ministers in England let them be condemned Antichristian It is the part of euerie godly christian man to haue the matter throughly tried before he pronounce sentence if it were but against one man he should sinne grieuouslie to doo otherwise much more when the sentence is against the whole Church HERE you say is no reason rendred by vs vvhie yt is a false and Antichristian Ministrie which is imposed But if you had better vveighed these two former Transgressions vvherwith we charge you or dulie considered of your owne answere before you had put penne to paper you might haue gayned this labour you haue taken the shame you are like to suffer by theis your friuolous indirect answers Or if you had consulted with your learned bretheren vpon the matter to whome this promise which you haue intercepted more nerely by many rightes apperteined they would haue coūselled you to haue vsed your discretion rather in the pulpit as they doo where you may say what you list without controlement thē thus bewray your follie in writing which lyeth subiect to the censure of all men in all ages They consider that an euill and corrupt matter ought rather to be couered then raked in lest yt become more odious Now we were perswaded by the word of God that the true Minister of Christ could not be a Minister of idolatrous false worship Such in our first cause of our comming out from emong you we proued the worship in your assemblies to be Then we were perswaded by y e word of God that a true Pastor could not stand a heard to the Lords goates and swyne blessing them with the blessing of the faithfull and deliuering them the holy things of God as the Sacraments c. Such in our second cause we proued both you and your people as they generally stand in your Parishes to be And now in this third cause your self by but repeating part of our words doo giue a strong sufficient reason Namely that your Ministrie is thrust imposed vpō your Churches not freely chosen by the Lords faithful people according to Christ his ordinance in his Testamēt You know our Sauiour Christ his iudgmēt of such as come into the shepefolde by in●rusion or ascend vp anie other way So then wee seeke not that you should credit vs or hold vs for Prophetts But if this wee speake be that vvhich God by them hath vttered then you deride not vs so much as them nor them so much as the Spirit of God that spake in them But the Prophetts of God lied not in anie thing but euerie man may see that wee haue in the former Article lied The Deuill is the author of lies sclaunders false accusations against the Saincts c and therof hath his name All that make or loue lies are his childrē and shalbe shut off the Citie of God This chardge wee haue repelled in the 2. Transgression where wee proued all receiued into your Church by Baptisme and are reteined in your Churches because you haue not the powre of Christ to excommunicat anie Thus still you fall into the pitte you make for vs by Gods iust iudgmēts and shall by the same receiue the reward of a liar a false vvitnesse a false Prophet if God giue you not grace to repent which wee shall more ioye in then in your confusion Of the great store of reasons you haue to proue your Ministrie to be of Christ your selues faithfull you might haue bestowed one of your store either for pitie or for loue vpon vs who you see are fully perswaded that ther is not one such Minister among you all at least for sauing your self from the blame you layde vpon vs one reason vvould haue done vvel But chiefly for confirming your Ministerie to be of Christ one at the least had bene more then necessarie For otherwise wee may not belieue your bare affirmation before Christs negatiue In whose Testament wee finde neither the names you carie the Offices you beare the maner of your entrance of your administration neither of your support maintenance Your discent and pedegree is within few degrees deriued from the Pope you being the children of your Antichristian Bishops which are the creatures of the Pope who is the eldest sonne of Sathan and his Vicar gennerall in earth whose image marke powre and life you