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A86663	The cause of stumbling removed from all that will receive the truth; and from before the eyes of the wise men of London: in a treatise shewing the difference between the spirit of a man which is the candle of the Lord, and the light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world. Also shewing ... there is not diversity of lights and spirits, by which they are ministred ... Herein also is a false hosanna, and a false testimony reproved ... the name of him which hath so long travell'd to bring forth wind and confusion, is one known in the city of London by the name of Iohn Iackson ... that so ... understanding and knowledge of the truth may be increased, in those that follow on to know the Lord. Given forth from the Lords servant, Richard Hubberthorne.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1657 (1657)	Wing H3222; Thomason E929_5; ESTC R202544	39,439	35

all truth to them that love it and obey it And that neither the Light nor the Law doth convince of the sinne of unbelief That the Lamp and the Light are convertable terms Thy word is as a Lamp Psal. 119. 105. and that the Light and the Law is one pag. 30. So by this the Light which is the spirit of man or mans Reason and the Law the word which of that which is called a Testimony of the Lords Christ we shall try it with the former testimony of the Lords Christ as it is written in the Scriptures which was given forth from those which were true witnesses First As in answer to these things there is not one Testimony in the Scriptures neither from Prophet nor Apostle that ever said the Spirit of man or mans reason or understanding was the Light which every one that cometh into the world is enlightned withall But the testimony of truth concerning those which followed their own spirits is this The Lord sent his Prophet Ezekiel to cry wo unto the fooli●h Prophets that followed their own spirits and had seen nothing Ezek. 13. 3. Now they were not without the spirit of a man for then they could not be a man as he saith now if they had the Spirit of man and Reason and if this was all eye how was it that they saw nothing when he saith It sees all things so it is not a true testimony of the Light nor of the Lords Christ But the spirit of man is the Candle of the Lord and the Lord having lighted it then it searcheth the inward parts of the belly And David who knew what the spirit of man was and what a Candle was without light and what it was when it was lighted he said For thou wilt light my candle the Lord my God will enlighten my darknesse Psal. 1● 28. So if the spirit of man be the Candle of the Lord then whether doth not Christ enlighten every man which cometh into the world and whether is not that light Christ seeing the spirit is but the Candle and that it must be lighted Another testimony of his is this That it is the property of Light to make manifest Eph. 5. 13. but all things that are reproved are made manifest by the Light for whatsoever doth make manifest is light pag. 29. And again in pag. 3● saith That it is not in the power of the light as it is in every man so much as ●o call any thing which is done either good or ●vil Answ. Whether of these two contraries must men believe whether the light is able to make manifest whatsoever is reprovable or that there is no● power in i● to call any thing good or evil But by this all men may see that this is not a true Testimony to the Lords Christ nor to his Light Never was there any such Doctrine preached by any that cryed Hosana to the Son of David no● that did give testimony to the Lords Christ That there is not power in the light to call any shing done good or evil Now let all who have received the measuring-Line and the equal Ballance weigh and consider seeing the Scripture saith Whatsoever things is reprovable is made manifest by ●●e Light Is evil deeds reprovable then they are ●ade manifest then you see them to be evil deeds lying to be an evil deed swearing to be an evil deed drunkennesse to be an evil deed covetousnesse to be an evil deed pride to be an evil deed whoredom to be an evil deed false accusing to be an evil deed gain-saying the truth to be an evil deed anger and wrath to be evil deeds and these things are reprovable and as the light doth make them manifest so it reproves them and such are convinced of sin because they believe not in Christ so that unbelief is reprovable and is made manifest by the Light And whereas some say That the Light doth not reprove for the s●n of unbelief that is false for unbelief is reprovable and whatsoever things are r●proveable is made manifest by the Light but he that doth evil hateth the light and will not bring his deeds to the light lest the light should reprove him Ioh. 3. 20. And Iesus said unto certain Greeks and people which stood by him which objected against his words which was no Saints nor believers While y●● have the Light believe in the Light that ye may be the children of Light Ioh. 12. 36. Now he did not bid them believe in that which could not reprove unbelief I am come a light into the world that whosoever believeth in me should not abide in darknesse And Iesus cryed and said He that believeth on me believeth on him that sent me Also Ioh. 12. 44 46. This Light was not mans reason nor understanding neither was it mans spirit that was the true Light which lighteneth every one that cometh into the world Ioh. 1. 9. Again another false testimony concerning the Light is this That the Light did drive Adam from the voice and presence of God and so far is the Light from leading up to God that it drives the soul from God and keeps him in the fall pag. 53. Answ. This Doctrine is to turn the truth of God into a lye and to call light darknesse and darknesse light for there is no such testimony in the Scriptures that the Light did drive Adam from the voice and presence of God but Adam saith I was afraid because I was naked and I hid my self It was because he had disobeyed Gods voyce not because he was enlightned for the Scripture saith It is your sins that hath s●parated you from God it doth not say that it is the light which hath separated you from God or driven you from him this may well be called a damnable Doctrine or Doctrine of Devils Hath God sent his Son ● Light into the world to drive the souls from God and keep them in the fall Now let all consider and judge that ever knew the Light whether it be darknesse or it be light which drives the soul from God and keeps it in the fall Now this Doctrine being compared with the Scriptures is utterly false and there is few that professe godlinesse in this Nation that can bear it or approve of it and for such as account themselves the highest profession and above forms under the Name of Seekers to publish such a thing in print here it appears that the best of men is but as a Briar and the most upright is sharper then a Thorn-Hedge for the day of thy Watch-men and thy Visitation cometh now shall be their perplexity Mi● 7 4. Now here is a day for tryal that they which can may try the spirits and doctrines whether they be of God Now I shall lay it to that of God in all is it not the work of the Devil to drive the soul from God and to keep people in the fall If so then it is not the work

according to his words who was sent a Messenger before his face to bear witnesse to the truth and his witnesse is true Ioh. 2. 9. And as Christ hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world so we say to every man warning both small and great to believe in the light that they may be the children of light which was Christs Doctrine to the world Ioh. 12. 36. And now what Christ doth and effecteth by it in those that believe in his light and followeth it which effects and opperations by the world is denyed and by us is affirmed some of the effects of it I shall mention which is opposed as first That it will not let those that are guided by it take Gods Name in vain but will draw th●m out of the Worships of the world and keep them in the fear of God and to stand still in it is the first step to peace That it discovers things that are contrary to it That it is their Teacher that love it and their condemnation that hate it according to Christs words Ioh. 3. 19. That waiting in it will guide them to God and shew them the way to the Father as Christ saith No man cometh unto the Father but by me Ioh. 14. 6. and no man cometh unto the Father by Christ but as they are led and guided by his light within them That it op●ns all the Scriptures and leads man out of the fall up to God for him hath the Fath●r given to be a Leader and Commander unto the people and he leadeth them by his light Another effect is That it convinceth of all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and is a Teacher and Director teaching and directing in righteousnesse purity and holinesse c. And that the light is but one in him that loves it and in him that hates it leading the one to God from whence it comes to receive eternal life and condemning the other from God because he obeyeth not the truth that he might be saved And this is the testimony of truth which is now held forth never to be denyed But who hath believed our report even they to whom the Arm of the Lord is revealed And this is the way by which people may come to know the truth of this testimony by obeying the light which Christ hath enlightned them withall thereby shall they know whether this Doctrine be of God or whether we speak of ourselves and whether all those effects is not brought forth by the working of Christs light in them and then they shall not believe onely because of our words nor be envious against it because of others words but will finde the testimony in themselves which is according to the record which God hath given of his Son and according to the testimony which we have given of the light and he that believeth shall be established Now that which opposeth this is that which beareth a testimony contrary to Christ who saith For this end was I born and for this end came I into the world to bear witnesse unto the truth and every one that is of the truth heareth my voice Ioh. 18. 37. And this was his witnesse and his Messengers witnesse That he was the Light of the world and That this is the true light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world Ioh. 8. 12. Ioh. 1. 9. And this contrary testimony which is brought forth is this That it is the spirit of man that is the light which hath enlightned every man and so going about to prove the spirit of man not to be sufficient under this would destroy the sufficiency of the light of Christ But the Scriptures never did give testimony that the spirit of man was the light of the world neither did we ever say that this light was the spirit of every man nor a natural light And therefore this man which hath writ a Volume in proving a natural light or mans reason insufficient let all people take notice what he contradicts or disproves by it he doth not by it contradict nor disprove any thing that we have said for we never did affirm that mans reason was the light but he hath laboured to contradict himself He hath set up an Image and then glories in breaking of it down from our words draws a false inference and glories in confounding it And this is the general course of our opposers to raise a false proposition or conclusion from their own imaginations and then contradict it and then cry The Quakers contradicted or confuted and their Doctrine disproved and they irrecoverably slain and many such cryes is gone forth in the world among people like the noise of many waters To which I answer Nay they are not of such a birth that they are so easily slain nor of such a Doctrine that they are so easily disproved for the immortal birth is brought forth unto which God hath given wisdom and understanding to be as wise as Serpents and in their innocency is their wisdom brought forth which Seed inheriteth the strength of the Almighty so though they be permitted to fight and contend against the truth yet to prevail is not given them Therefore in vain is the Net spread in the sight of any Bird and in vain do they exercise their strength against the Lords annointed for this which they have brought forth is but as setting of bryars and thorns in battel against the Lord or as if the untimely birth should strive against that birth which is brought forth without deformity to slay it as those in former ages who were wiser in their generation then the children of light sought to slay the Heir that the Inheritance might be theirs In like manner do men now also rise up against the life of the same Seed which is risen in the hearts of the children of men to slay it that so they may professe the Scriptures in their high swelling words of vanity having mens persons in admiration because of advantage for if this Seed doth live which the Lord hath not onely brought to the birth but also brought forth it will stop that profession which stands in the hypocrisie and will quench that violence of fire in which that zeal flames out which is not according to knowledge But the Seed is risen which inherits the strength of the Almighty which can bear all things and suffer all things and will come to reign over all gainsayers for all the high swelling words of vanity shall come to nought and truth shall be exalted over all in the power of the eternal Spirit when blacknesse of darkness will cover all those spirits which have spent their strength against the appearance and manifestation of truth and those that now boast themselves in their presumption against the servants of the Lord and testimony of truth Shall come to be a servant of servants even to the least in the kingdom of God before they have right unto that which they now profess

no spirit of discerning in those he calls Quakers nor others but the eye of truth is not yet so blinde but we know an evening from a morning a night from a day and a lye from truth and we know also that the disciples had a measure of the spirit of truth while he was with them upon earth and this spirit did both comfort them and did carry them on in obedience to his will and in the power of this spirit went forth into the world and reproved the world of sin because they did not believe in Christ and the devils was subject unto them by the spirit of truth that was in them before Christ ascended and to this there is a Cloud of witnesses So that this from him filling his Book with such things as these is as if a man should fill a Ba●n with Chaff instead of Corn and deceive others with selling i● for Corn Another contradiction of the same nature is this That the manifestation of the Spirit is given to no man for himself but to every man to profit withall to edi●ie and build up and do service in the body as an hand foot or eye or some other member of the body c. and to contradict this in the next words saith Not that the spirit or the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man i. e. to every individual person forasmuch as some men are sensual having not the spirit therefore no manifestation thereof pag. 17. Ans. This is like the former and so to be cast out with it for his distinction of words between every man and every individual person wil not cover him for where the Scripture saith every man without distinction that is every individual man and woman And the Apostle saith But the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withall he doth not say not to every individual person And this also I say and affirm That to every man is given a manifestation of the spirit to profit withall and he that profits with it by it shall be justified and he that doth not profit with it by it shall be condemned because he is an unprofitable servant and this truth shall stand when all confusion shall have an end yet some are sensual having not the spirit Obj. Again in despising the testimony from the measure of the gift of the spirit of God when they have spoken according to the measure could not boast themselves above their measure but in their measure witnessing the work of God as it was fulfilled in them such he scornfully reproacheth saying What means those cracks and crannes in their knowledge knowing but in part there is no pieces nor parts nor measures nor degrees in absolute perfection but whosoever sayes he knows in part he is short of perfection and whosoever saith he knoweth perfectly he knows not how perfect his knowledge is and the first of these is called a vain man boasting of that which is not and of a false gift and is like clouds and winde without rain Ans. Herein is Pauls Doctrine as well as ours declared against to be but as cracks and crannes and a vain boasting of a false gift for Paul saith We dare not make our selves of the number or compare our selves with some that commend themselves but they measuring themselves by themselves and comparing themselves with themselves are not wise But we will not boast of things without our measure but according to the measure of the Rule which God hath distributed unto us a measure to reach even unto you for we stretch not our selves beyond our measure not boasting of things without our measure that is of other mens labours Now this measure of which he thus spoke was in Christ so in perfection and there is parts and degrees in Christ and so in absolute perfection for so far as every man is in the measure of the gift of God so far he is in Christ and so far his knowledge is perfect and abiding in this he abideth in that which is perfect and as he glories in this he gloryes in a true gift and none shall make this glorying void Obj. And whereas Iohn Iackson saith of those that say they have but attained in measure he calleth that the bleeting of the sheep and the lowing of the Oxen which declares plainly that they are not at home they are not in the City but have certain miles to travel before they arrive Ans. This is a false interptetation as I shall leave it unto all of understanding to judge for the bleeting of the Sheep and the lowing of the Oxen did signifie Sauls disobedience unto the commandment of God for which the Lord did reject him But when Paul said he knew in part and prophesied in part and would not boast above his measure this did not signifie his disobedience to the Lord but contrariwise his obedience and that he was in Christ Jesus so this was not as the bleeting of the Sheep and lowing of the Oxen neither did it shew that they were not in the City for Paul testifieth of the holy Brethren which he was a Minister unto That they were come unto Mount Sion and unto the City of the living God the heavenly Ierusalem and to an innumerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first-born which are written in heaven and t● God the Iudge of all and to the spirits of just men made perfect and to Iesus the Mediator of the new Covenant to the blood of sprinkling Now let him that have thus accused shew how many Miles these had to travel before they came to the City whether was any parts measures or degrees in these or whether there was absolute perfection without any measure or degrees of it and whether Paul was not come so far as these unto whom he preached wisdom even among those that were perfect and might he not in that estate say that he would not stretch himself beyond his measure But this I say None are true witnesses of perfection but those who know their measure and abide in it and likewise those that call the witnessing of the truth in a measure of the spirit the bleeting of the Sheep or the lowing of the Oxen such never knew perfection neither yet presseth after it but would keep all others from it by despiteful terms against the measure of the spirit which leadeth unto it But the day is come and the light is risen which hath found out and discovered all the cunning craftinesse of men in which they go about to deceive the hearts of the simple and beguile unstable souls but the elect Seed is risen which it is impossible to deceive for it is not the Scripture-words which men may take and speak in the hypocrisie which can darken our knowledg no● any way hinder the testimony of truth in those which have received it in the power of God only with such things the blind may lead

occasion against us by searching our Books and as he saith hath found some contradictions in them which may appeare to be so to his dark mind yet in the sight of the spirit of the Lord that is truth which he sees to be no other then error However this is sent forth for the true information of peoples minds that they may know that truth is bold and confident and that it is Armor which defendeth from all enemies and giveth strength to answer the craftinesse of men And this same Iohn Iackson hath shewed himself now to be one with the common Priests of the world for as they have done so hath he opposed the way and people of God and with the very same Arguments shewing that he is of the very same spirit with them his discourse and arguments being of the same nature as theirs are yea he hath shewed himself to be of the very same spirit with all the open prophane wretches which doth revile and scorn and abuse in every town and countrey the Lords people and as they do so so hath he written with subtil Arguments to the very same end as they reproach and scorn to wit in a derision and despising the way and servants of the Lord so that his self-separation is now seen what it is to be a very cheat and hypocrisie who while he professeth a separation from the world doth practice the very same wickednesse and is not changed from them in nature though he be in appearance But what a poor work hath he brought forth in two years time which he saith his work hath been as Embres raked up in ashes yet a work that gains no praise of God nor very little of the praise of any man It seems he hath hatched mischief upon his bed and brought it forth in the morning Who would have thought but a wise man in that time would have brought forth a larger peece and more to purpose I am sure he might have made better use of his time in another exercise then to have writ against the servants of the Lord It had been more honest for him to have set his Pen to Paper and studyed to have given his testimony against the pride and drunkennesse and oppression and whoredoms and wickednesse in this great City I say it had been more honest and liker a Saint to have sought the reforming of prophanenesse and wickednesse that greatly abounds in this City then to have studyed two years to bring forth his invented stuffe against a harmlesse and innocent people which he nor any can justly charge with evil but as he hath digged deep by his imaginations in recollecting a seeming-contradiction out of our writings which is no contradiction no more then Christs words are who saith Except ye eat my flesh and drink my blood ye have no life in you and yet in the same discourse saith The flesh profits nothing and for Isaiah to go with the word of the Lord to Hezekiah to tell him he should dye and not live yet in the same instant of time told him he should live and not dye Would not Iohn Iackson have counted these contradictions But what he hath done in this in sending forth a Book against the Quakers he hath been so far from beating down sin drunkards and rude scorners and abusive men that he hath fully strengthened their hands and the wickedst people in this Nation are very glad of his work He hath given them matter to oppose truth withall but his reward and theirs shall be both with one hand and he shall drink his portion in the same Lake with such whose hands he hath strengthened and let him know and themall God hath established us upon a sure Mountain which the Gates of Hell and Death cannot prevail against So his work i● counted of us and cast by as our spoyled prey of Babylons treasure only this is sent abroad after it in the pursute of it which is not done with multitudes of words of mans wisdom but in the plain nakednesse of innocent truth which is more strength then all his Arguments of guile whereby he would deceive the people but he can deceive none but such as are deceived already for all that are in the light and in the truth sees beyond all that he can say and are established where his word can never reach them to take away their peace or disquiet them for as I said we are established upon a sure foundation and are tryed and proved and cannot be blown away with any windy Doctrines of men which begets into st●ffe and not into true sincerity of heart but wo unto that man that works offence and doth cast stumbling-blocks in the way of the simple And though the Lords people be a suffering people yet wo unto them that causeth them to suffer And though he and some others in their spirits were elevated thinking thereby to trample upon the innocent by that occasion happening concerning I. N. which was not suffered of the Lord to be as an occasion to destroy his people but as an occasion to try them and to prove them and thereby are they tryed and proved and the more setled rather then confounded and Iohn Iackson and such like may glory in such things for a moment because the appearance of it seems evil yet the Lord will make their glorying void for the Lord hath wayes enough to preserve his people and this we have found in many needful times and as concerning this thing which was looked upon as a breach among us by many yet it 's over and truth stands a top of it the beauty of truth appears through it all and truth is more lovely when it is proved and purged What if the Lord suffer his to be lead and tempted for a season let not the wicked boast of this for though the righteous fall he shall rise again but the wicked fall into mischief But yet we learn something by this what a great use the devil hath made hereof and how many Books and lying Scribbles hath been sent forth about it concerning us which are all counted by us no better then the worst corrupted treasure that ever grew in Babylon and the best of it is but baubles to please vain minds for men of sound understandings can take no pleasure therein And we see how by all means the Devil and his people seeks occasion against the wayes and people of God how glad are the wicked when they get an occasion against the Lords people and how do they glory in it and boast in it for a time thinking that their hands are strengthened in a greater boldnesse to do mischief And Iohn Iackson is one of those that takes pleasure in these things and he hath managed his businesse with a great deal of craft but there is none that will praise him for it except such whose wicked hands he strengthens such as he must have stumblings after the way of the Lord hath

he may say that it is both unnecessary and unseasonable either to conceive or bring forth any such thing against the seed which the Lord hath blessed for there was never any as yet which did strive against the Lord or his annoynted ones which did prosper neither shall to the ends of the earth So the burden of this man is searched Judged and found not to be the burthen of the word of the Lord though he thought it to be so when in him he felt the fire of enmity boyling and bubling up within him as in his Epistle But we have found it to be such a burthen as the false Prophets in Jerusalem did see for the people which was false burthens and causes of banishment Lam. 2. 14. But if the fire of the Lord had been kindled in him it would have consumed this birth in the womb before ever it had been brought forth But the hour is comeing and now is in which the Lord is fulfilling his promise according to the Scriptures which saith that he will make Jerusalem a burthensome stone for all people all that burthen themselves with it shall be cut in peices though all the people upon the earth be gathered together against it Zac. 12. 3. And as this was spoken so it is fulfilled and fulfilling that the testimony of God may be sealed up among his children For now is the light risen with which the Lord Christ is gathering into the new Jerusalem the City of the living God and now hath many burthened themselves with it And so burthened that they cannot tel how to unburthen themselves of it but to ease themselves of that burthen which is ready to presse them down they break forth into revileing termes and un●avory speeches and false assertions against the light and those that walk in it and will deny both the light and children of light to be spiritual Some calling it natural light some calling it natural conscience some created light some the light of reason and understanding some old creation light some a dim light some the spirit of man and so burthen themselves with it when they have both spoken and printed such things to ease them of their burthen their burthen grows again and so they do not cease to vex and grieve the holy spirit of God from day to day and when they have burthened themselves with the enmity against the light and the works of righteousnesse proceeding forth from it to the father then they cry the burthen of the Lord the fire of the Lord within them But saith the Lord to such I will destroy that man and his house and the burthen of the Lord shall ye mention no more for every mans word shall be his burthen for ye have perverted the words of the living God of the Lord of Hosts our God Ier. 23. 36. Theref●re is the measureing line gone forth to measure the false burthens whereby they pervert the words of the living God with their own words and Imaginations and unto those which ever were reproachers of the way and people of God the Lord saith I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you and a perpetual shame which shall not be forgotten Ier. 13. 40. So this is written that no man should any more burthen themselves with the burthensome stone wereby they will be broken to peices if they fall upon it But that every one may come to it that with it they may see their false burthens and the sin which doth so easiely beset them and may cease grieving of the spirit of the Lord while his spirit striveth with them may come to know every man his own word which will become his burthen when it returns again unto him But the word of the Lord goeth forth returns not empty neither doth it burthen him which it goes forth from when it returns again unto him Although the true burthen of the word of the Lord be known in many before it go forth from them Therefore then seeing that it is an untimely birth and not that which is born of the sprit which is come forth from him to whom I now am to speak Now least others being in the same blindnesse with him think as he doth that it is a true voice or Hosana to the Son of David or a true testimony to the Lords Christ I shall weigh his testimony seeing that the true Voice is gone forth both in the dayes of his flesh and since in which dayes he was truly declared to be the light of the world and the true light which lightneth every one that cometh into the world Ioh. 1. 9. Ioh. 8. Now seeing that this Author hath set up another thing to be the light which hath enlightned every man then Christ viz. the spirit of man I shall try this testimony according to the Scriptures whether it be a testimony of the Lords Christ or a testimony against him in these things following which are the Heads of his Doctrine conc●rning the Light Concerning the LIGHT what it is It is the spirit of every man which is in him and without which he cannot ●e a man and is the Candle of the Lord Prov. 20. 27. This spirit of a man is the Reason of a man or the Vnderstanding of a man What this Light doth it gives him to know his Creator and the end of his creation viz. who made him and why he was made also how he should answer the end of him that made him and that God set up this Light in man to see by both whom he is to serve and how he is to serve him together with the reason thereof Because God made him And with this Light God hath s●● up a Law which Law is called Light Prov. 6. 23. whereby the will and mind of his Creator is made known unto him and he sufficiently qualified to see it understand it c. p. 7. It searcheth the inward parts of the Belly At first it moved upward and it could look God in the face and serve him But now since the fall the Thief is got into this Candle and hath dim'd the light and covered the aspiring ascendan● quality and now it burn● downward and discovers the things beneath pag. 6. That it is all eye it sees all that is done but doth nothing it neither likes nor dislikes approves nor disproves but as it is in conjunction with a Law pag. 10. That it is the property of Light to make manifest Eph. 5. 13. Pag. 29. That it is not in the power of the Light as it is in every man so much as to call any thing that is done either good or ●vil pag. 32. That the Light did drive Adam from the voice and presence of God so far is the Light from leading up to God that i● drives ●●e soul from God and keeps him in the fall pag. 53. That it doth not lead into all truth such as love it and obey it pag. 54. Not doth it reveal

of the light which lighteneth every man that cometh into the world is not this to call light darkness to say that the light is so far from leading up to God that it drives the soul from God and keeps him in the Fall What is that which leads man out of the fall if the light keep man in it As this is contrary to Scripture and to truth so it is contrary to his own words as in pag. 7. there saying That by the Light is the will and minde of the Creator made known unto man and he sufficiently qualified to see it and understand it Answ. How can these two stand together That the Light drives man from God and keeps him in the fall and again That it makes known the will and mind of the Creator unto him and sufficiently qualifies him to see and understand it This cannot truly be called Hosana to the Son of David no●A Testimony to the Lords Christ but a Line of Confusion which is stretched out wherein darknesse is come forth as a Cloud and spreads it self over the earth to darken peoples minds from the knowledge and understanding of truth by words without knowledge but his folly shall proceed no further unreproved and made manifest Another false Testimony concerning the light is this That at first it moved upward and man could look God in the face and serve him but now since the fall the Thief is got into the Candle and now the Spirit burns downward and discovers the things beneath Ans. What is the nature of the Light cha●ged or is the Spirit so changed that before it ascended upward and now downward We shall try this according to the Scripture which saith Who knoweth the Spirit of man that goeth upward and the spirit of a Beast which goeth downward to the earth Eccles. 3. 21. so then if it goes downward it is the spirit of a Beast and not the spirit of a man And here it is plainly evident that he knows not the spirit of a man from the spirit of a Beast so unfit to cry Hosana to the Son of David or bear testimony to the Lords Christ But as for the Light which hath enlightned man that cometh into the world the fall did not change the quality of the light for the light is the same as it was but darknesse cannot comprehend ●t neither knows how to give a true testimony of it but confusedly speaks of two lights the one springing up with man in his natural birth sutable to his natural birth and another light sutable to the new birth that is born of the spirit This is a testimony which is not to be found in Scripture to be two Lights sutable to the two births for he that is born of the flesh persecutes him that is born of the Spirit and God hath put enmity between the two Seeds but to say that there is two lights sutable and so the one natural and the other spiritual the one of the earth earthly and the other of the Lord from Heaven as the two births are this is not a testimony according to truth for the light is but one and the spirit of truth is but one and the same spirit which led the Saints which believed into all truth the same did convince the world of sin because they did not believe in Christ Ioh. 16. ● And that light which is the condemnation of the world who love the darknesse rather then Christ the same is the Saviour of all them that believe and one man loves it and another hates it yet it is the same light Ioh. ● 19 but the Scriptures bears no such testimony as that there is two lights in man the one spiritual and the other natural and for any man to say that the light of Christ is natural is blasphemy against the Son of God and is a sin not easily forgiven and it is hard for such to find the place of repentance for every one that comes to repentance must first come to the light which Christ hath enlightned them withall and must know it to be spiritual and confesse it so and with this light come to discern the two births the one from the other and their several natures and how that the one birth is guided by the light it being as the eye giving them to see what to speak before they speak and so keeps them out of the worlds line which is confusion and as a Teacher giving them to understand what to do before they do it and so keeps them out of the condemnation bringing their works before-hand to judgement and so their works are wrought in God who answer the light which they be enlightened withall but the light is not sutable no● according to that birth which is born after the flesh but condemns that in all its wayes and actions and is given to lead the creature out of that nature and out of that birth into the regeneration to lead out of the deeds of darknesse and out of the shadow of death into the living inheritance among those that are sanctified in Christ Jesus Another testimony concerning the light relating to the two Covenants is this That as there was a new Covenant diverse from the former the old so there must of necessity be another light to accompany it diverse from the former that is as then mans spirit so now the spirit of the Lord c. page 35. Answ. Ther● are diversities of gifts but the same spirit and there are differences of Administrations but the same Lord and there are diversities of opperations but it is the same God which worketh all in all 1 Cor. 12 4 5 6. Now all people is to know that there was a ministration different from the administration of the Gospel the new Covenant a different administration from the old but there is no necessity that it be ministred from another spirit nor from another Lord nor from another Light therefore to say that because the Covenants or Admini●●ration● are diverse one from another that therefore it must not be the same spirit but the one by the spirit of man the other the spirit of God and that the light● is to be diverse the one from the other this is a false Testimony ●o●●●● same spirit in which the Law was administred the first Covenant ●● the same was the second administred which doth make perfect according to the conscience Now as all people is brought o●● of their o●● inventions and imaginations and from following their own spirits to own the light of Christ which hath enlightned them they shall know the diversities of Administrations and the diversity of opperations and yet but one Light and one Power and one Spirit and not as many lights as births nor as many spirits as opperations not every Administration to have a diverse light to accompany it for though there be that are called gods whether in heaven ●r in earth as there be gods many and lords many but to