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A30542	Some of the principles of the Quakers (scornfully so called by men) vindicated and proved sound and true and according to the Scriptures in oposition to the false charges and lying reports given forth against the truth in two printed books put forth by one Philip Taverner, a supposed minister of the Gospel in Middlesex near Vxbridge ... / by Edw. Burrough.	Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1658 (1658)	Wing B6024; ESTC R28519	19,009	24

not condemn them but upon giving his own Interpretation of them first whereupon I said in my first answer page 14. Alas poor man must I be judged upon thy own meaning c. and yet in these words I shewed no scornful pitty to him though he fa●sly suppose it and say it and so while he cannot believe that I am without prejudice against him he hath shewed himself guilty of prejudice towards me and my words to be seen and justly believed by many And whereas he saith it is doubtful how far I own the Authority of the Scriptures because I say in my first we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures have had hope have had hope saith he now it seems because I place my words we have had hope his unbelieving doubtful heart questions whether I own the Authority of Scriptures and would falsly conclude that through the comfort of Scripture we have no hope now and saith he are you now flown so high that you need not c. page 3. and therefore I may now answer further yea through the promise of the Lord declared in Scripture we have hope at this present that God will bring down and overthrow all such that deceives the people who are made Ministers by man and of man at Schools and Colledges and all this set maintenance by Tithes and casting people into Prison and spoyling their goods to maintain Ministers as this day in the nation many hundreds have been cast into prison and many hundred pounds worth of Cattel of bedding and all kind of goods have been distrained for to maintain the Ministry I say we have hope according to the Scriptures that God will bring down all this and your preaching for mony and bargaining with people for so much the year and your preaching what you have studied for from the Scriptures by a glass in a steeple-house where the Mass use to be said God will confound all this and poor people shall be delivered from the mouths of those deceivers that makes a prey upon them and preaches for hire and seeks for their gain from their quarter and these things with many other we hope at this present wherefore think not in thy self we now do not hope for we both do and have had hope through patience and comfort of the Scriptures Whereas I charged P. T. in my last that he had wronged both me and the truth in his Relation c. which he saith in his answer is false and he saith he doth not apprehend me and the truth so well agreed that it is possible to wrong us both ot once c. page the 4. Reply That he wronged me it appears in his not relating all that I said at the dispute the ground of this quarrel not by half and more I know and in relating more then himself spoke by far and let sober men judge whether he did not here worng me in relating a thing that passed between us and relating much more then ever he spoke and much less then I spoke if the truth of that matter were it wrong or right matter and my self also be not by this kind of dealing wronged I appeal to all honest people whilst both he and I am silent so the false dealing and wrong in his first book is upon him still according to my charge unremoved and the lie in this his last book in that he saith I say falsly when I have spoken the truth which is a lie in the highest degree in saying when I spoke the truth that I spoke falsly and his proof in that the truth and I doth not agree is because I said in my first the Saints have no need of Scriptures to teach them but the Spirit of the Father leadeth and teacheth into all truth Reply My words are Justifiable for it is the Spirit that leadeth into all truth Iohn 16. and the Saints need no man to teach them but they have the anointing within them and they know all things by the unction 1 John and the Spirit of the Father is given them by which the Scriptures were given forth and the Lord is the teacher of his people and they need not any to say to them know the Lord Jer. 31. yet they that witness this do not make the Scripture of none effect but owns it in its place yet not as their teacher for then they should deny the new covenant Jer. 31. and then something besides the Spirit leads into truth and they have something to teach them besides the anointing but if this be all the proof that can be given against me that I and the truth doth not agree I doubt not but all spiritual men will see the emptiness and weakness of the witness against me and will be more confirmed rather then shaken that I and the truth doth fully agree though P T. speaks otherwise falsly against me And as if I had contradicted the Apostles words which he quotes against me who saith whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning which Scripture I do own and no way contradict it s the Error of his Judgement which so judgeth for even they for whom the things that were written were for their learning yet they were led into all truth by the teachings of the Spirit and they were taught of the Fathet and what was written to them was not written because they knew not truth or to teach them truth 1 John 2.21 let him learn what this means The next thing he notes whereas I said I then proved at the dispute meaning by many Scriptures that some were perfect in this life 1 Cor. 2.5 even perfect without sin Iohn 1.47 1 Joh. 3.7 and to gain say this he hath brought ●John 1.8 If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us and saith he who speaks truth in this E. B. or the Apostle as if I had spoken contrary to the Apostle Solomon also saith he te●s us there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not which also he brings as a witness against what I have affirmed Reply It s true I held forth a state of perfection to be waited for and attained unto upon earth and I am not ashamed of my principle neither is it found too light for that Scripture 1 Cor. 2.5 doth testify that some were perfect upon earth in the dayes of the Apostles and if they were so the same is to be waited for and witnessed in this age for the hand of the Lord is not shortned and that Scripture 1 John 3. whosoever abideth in him sinneth not and whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ver. 6.9 doth clearly manifest there is a state upon earth free from sin wherein power is received and felt over all temptations and over the devill even such an estate that the wicked one cannot touch such that are born of God and this was the thing I held forth and do vindicate against

all opposers that the Saints may waite for and witness upon earth to have power over sin and over its temptations and free from the commiting of sin by the power of the second Adam living and dwelling in them and thus must thou believe P. T. or else thou believes not Scripture nor that any are born of God or abides in Christ if thou believe not that then confess thou errs in Judgement who art unbelieving of what the Scripture bears witness of Therefore tell me plainly if thou believe that there are any that are born of God and abides in Christ then must thou believe such doth not commit sin else thou denies the Scripture and what I held forth herein I do not contradict the Apostles nor Solomons words for its true the Apostle said if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves but art thou so blind that thou doest not see he speaks there of a state before confession of sins and the next words saith the Apostle if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness so I do agree with the Apostles words and do not contradict them for I do say if any say they have no sin before they do confess their sin and forsake their sin and be cleansed from it I say they are lyars and the truth not in them and I also say if that after a man have confest his sin and be cleansed from it and have his sin forgiven him and witnesseth that he is born of God and does not commit sin I say he speaks the truth also and the truth is in him and though Solomon did say there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sins not yet is my affirmation true notwithstanding for Solomon forgat the Lord and his heart went after many strange women and became a transgressor and in that state did not know the birth born of God which doth not commit sin for he was but under the Administration of the law which doth not make perfect as pertaining to the conscience and paradventure in that state he being erred from God he did not see any that did not sin these things will be plain to some though perhaps thou may shut thine eye against them and Solomon was not our example in conversation I am sure nor hardly in doctine and thus I have weighed thy text which thou seems to say before I have not weighed and my principles are proved sound and thou and thine too light and the wind of the Lord will scatter them And P. T. confesses every reall hearted Christian may be and is in Scripture called perfect Reply Then wherefore doth he oppose me who testifies the same thing and he now confesses even that every reall hearted Christian may be and is called perfect in Scripture and is not he here guilty in that he Charged me falsly pag. the 21. of his last with going rounds like unto a horse in a mill who sometimes denies perfection and sometimes confesseth it to be attained in this life but he is forced in the end to confess to the truth and to justifie me And also the Scripture doth testifie the Saints were already perfect and compleat in Christ while they were in the life upon earth Col. 1. though there be a time wherein all the Saints do complain of the body of sin in their warfare and travell yet there is a state also wherein they have put off the body of sin and are the servants of righteousness and free from sin Rom 6.22 But P. T. shewes little experience in those states as of the travel under the body of death and also the victory over it and so what he speakes is but by guess from other mens words and then it is no marvell if he err in judgment ●nd bring one Scripture to contradict another not having the infallable spirit that gave it forth nor feeling the states nor the passing thorrow these conditions declared therein for there is a time of travelling and complaining under the body of sin and its burden and a time of freedome from it and victory over it yea even in this life upon earth And wheras I said in my last many of the Saints daily receive more and more of Gods wisdome and of his power and life revealed in them wherein they grow up to Gods from strength to strength Now saith he but whether he doth not own some to have attained so high that there can be no addition is a query my soul saith he has not been able to enter into his secrets in this thing because my words were many of the saints c. Reply My first words it seemes he cannot contradict but owns them to be true so I need not defend them only he supposeth a question in which there is not much edification to be answered and I have no secrets in what I spake for to the Children of light my words are plain though to P. T. and such they may be parrables and secrets but as for my own particular I now here answer the question and further reply I do grow up in wisdome and knowledge daily and never knew so much of P. T. deceit as now I do since and at that dispute the ground of this our debate so I thought good to let him know that I do grow in truth which doth daily discover more and more deceite in him and them that opposes truth and so also growes in the knowledge of his error of Judgement and Ignorance that I may condemne it and judge it And whereas I said the light which every man is lightned withal by Christ is sufficient to bring up every man to believe in Christ that loves the light and walks in it and unto such is grace added and increased daily c. as in the 16 pag. of my first more appears In opposition to this to over throw it as he supposes he hath nominated that Scripture 1 Cor. 2.14 the Natural man perceives not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discrened c. Reply Now my words are true and no contradiction to the Apostles words except to such as are blind that cannot discern between light and darkness and such will judge falsly and out of an evill mind make an appearance of seeming difference where there is none for the light that lighteth every man that comes into the world is Christ John 1.9 and that Christ the light that lighteth every man that comes into the word is sufficient to bring every man that loves the light and walks in it to believe in Christ these are my words and the intent of my mind and would any man that were not stark blind make any opposition against this doctrine or bring a Scripture to prove the contrary which Scripture I own and doth no way contradict for the natural man doth