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A41233	The lawfull preacher, or, A short discourse proving that they only ought to preach who are ordained ministers occasionally delivered in some lectures at Epping by John Ferriby, minister of Thoydon-Garnon in Essex ; now printed upon the anti-preaching of some against it in the same pulpit about the latter end of November last : as also the pulpit-guard-relieved, in a short appendix in answer to a late book called the pulpit-guard-relieved / written by Tho. Collier.	Ferriby, John, b. 1613 or 14.	1653 (1653)	Wing F819A; ESTC R32027	69,768	96

him What sentence he will give upon the evidence he hath produced Yet this is observable that all the witnesses he summons or brings in are either of his forcing or making What testimony of Scripture doth he bring which he doth not misapply What evidence doth he produce from the Churches deluded Souls publike Peace but what is dug out of his own pit made of his own brain To take notice of his strength of Arguments or depth of learning is impossible there is no discovery of what is not Althoūgh I must confesse when I heard of and saw some bold and confident assertions I expected something to support them I shall acknowledge my self a false Prophet in this if ever much learning made him mad Yet I cannot but smile that those who because of their own ignorance decry and rail against learning in others are willing to make use of what they have themselves yea would counterfeit more too sometimes I finde him at the charge of too whole words of Latin in one place Cum privilegio if it be the language of the Beast methinks his mouth should not meddle of it if it be any part of the tail of the Beast his tongue should not lick of it In another place pag. 98. he strains hard for two more Episcopos Presbyteros But I confesse he hath brought them forth in a wofull case the accusative plurall for the nominative singular but I see he speaks all in the accusative case I would not wrong the man if he meant Greek it may be he thought heathen Greek was not fit to be used by Christians and therefore writ them in the letters of his mother-tongue If he intended Latin he might conceive that true Latin only was the Language of the Beast or that the whores head had been sheltered under Priscians Cap and he might lawfully break it But I would willingly know how he got or came by this learning surely it was only humane and then acquired only by industry if it had been an immediate inspiration of the Spirit that would have taught him to have spoken it true The Spirit is able to bring forth its conceptions perfect He that gives the use of Tongues could not want power to speak properly they that spake with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance Acts 2. 4. were heard by the multitude speaking their own language verse 6. Besides what ado he keeps with his terms of Logick the major and the minor Proposition if Logick be so black an Art I wonder he would touch it but I see he loves all of the Colour unlesse it be a black Gown I would give you a glimpse of his skill in interpretation of Scripture that since he fails in his humanity you might see what Divinity he hath but I shall speak only of so much of that as will fall into my way as I run over those few things which relate to the Arguments I have urged or answered before In which I shall only give you some Animad●er ions upon what he speaks the book will not require nor will my time afford any long businesse I finde in S. Walter Rawleigh's expression much spoken but little said about the Priests under the Law and Ministers under the Gospel pag. 17. Because there is some difference in their service therefore must their Offices be questioned The Office of a Priest saith he was appointed by God and was not the Office of Pastors and Teachers so too Eph. 4. 11. To excuse himself both from Corah's guilt and punishment he saith pag. 18. Corah and his company were smitten for doing what was forbidden but the Saints are commanded and commended for preaching c. he hath not proved either of them by the letter of Scripture but let him prove the latter either directly or by just deduction and we will forgive him the former You may see in the Sermons what command they had nor can I yet see by what he saith any more discovered But because it is questioned by him to whom Corah and his company should be rather compared whether to the Ordained Ministers or the only gifted Preachers observe these particulars Corah and his company out of a pretended fitnesse to perform the service to which they were not called would have intruded into the Office of Moses and Aaron It is easily judged who are most guilty in this Corah and his company did not monopelize the Office to themselves as he pretends pag. ead. but would have shared with Moses and Aaron in what it was conceived they monopolized What think you now who are most like Corah Dathan and Abiram and then may most fear their punishment For his railing That Ministers have no more Authority then the Devill and the Pope could give them and no more Calling then Corah and the Devil himself The Lord rebuke him only let him forbear such language hereafter Where he makes the carkasse and form of a thing both one I forgive him he dislikes and therefore I conceive pretends not to Learning Only I would not have people deluded with such a soul-lesse carkasse The Ministers have no Call according to the letter ibid. I had though if by the letter he means the letter of the Scripture setting men apart by prayer fasting and imposition of hands had been according to the letter of Scripture I am sure what he objects against it is besides the letter Nor have they any Call from the Spirit ibid. Are not their gifts manifest Can he without blushing accuse them of walking in the Devils darknesse will not many of his own party contradict him in this will not they acknowledge that many Ministers of England live holily walk by the light of Gods Spirit What spirit hath possessed the man truth meeknesse charity are the fruits of the Spirit of God He 'l see what is spoken about gifts suprà He saith it 's dangerous for men to preach without a Call and dangerous for people to hear such c. I am in this wholly of his minde In the Sermons I hope by what hath been spoken already and what shall yet be touched on it will appear manifest that only gifted brethren have no Call to preach Nay take his own words and if I understand them there is enough granted for our purpose pag. 19. although it 's true that none can preach according to the intention of that Scripture Rom. 10. 15. viz. for the working of faith and converting of souls yet it doth not follow that every gifted brother may not preach these are his own words If he means that gifted brethren cannot preach for the working of faith and converting of souls we have enough nor can I see what else he should mean for it is evident that the preaching of Sent Ministers is the means of converting souls of the begetting of faith Besides the Gentlemans Proposition which he tries to answer is If none may preach but those that are sent then every gifted brother may

3. It is agreed by all that I meet withall that this which is here called Prophesying was some extraordinary gift conferred by God only for some time not that they did prophesie as the Prophets but whereby they did in a wonderfull manner even to admiration speak of some difficult and abstruse things which would not have been known or spoken of but by such a gift Calvin saith that prophesying here is no more then some excellent ability to reveal mysterious things of the same judgement are many others a Whereas it is said of the rest that they prophesied and did not cease v. 25 b it is to be meant only of that time when God conferred that extraordinary gift upon them for the manifestation of their Call So that had they prophesied in this sense without a Call which yet you see they did not it were no argument to prove preaching without a Call because that is not at all intended in prophesying here 4. That Moses wished all the Lords people were Prophets hath nothing at all of proof in it for besides that by prophesying here is not meant preaching as was shewed before and that the Scripture makes a difference between Prophets and Teachers as shall be shewed presently his wish is only that they were Prophets which implies no more then that when they were Prophets they might prophesie that if they were thus gifted and set apart they might in the like manner exercise their gift If we should hear of some great acts of mercy done by rich men and I should wish you were all rich it were not to intend that you should do the like acts till you had the like riches Or if we were filled with the reports of some famous acts of Justice done by some faithfull Judges in avenging bloud in executing malefactours and I should wish that all the honest people in England were Judges It were not that every honest man should avenge bloud without Commission or execute malefactors till he were a Judge For my part I wish that all Prophets may prophesie and that there were more able and faithfull Ministers of the Gospel that the Lord would yet thrust out more labourers into his Vineyard yet I do not see that this place will prove that any should prophesie till they are Prophets that any should preach till they are set apart for the Office The second Argument is drawn from the order of the Corinthian Churches mentioned 1 Cor. 14. 31. where it is said that they may all Prophesie one by one whence it is urged that every one that is gifted may preach For the answer of this as of the other I shall lay down some particulars whereby you may see the mistake the more clearly 1. Prophesying in that place was not Preaching but was in the Church of Corinth an extraordinary Office now an extraordinary example is no foundation to ground an ordinary practice upon as was spoken sufficiently before Prophesying is generally taken in Scripture for a gift differing from Preaching The Apostle reckons Prophets among extraordinary Offiuers Apostles Prophets Evangelists are all together 1 Cor. 12. 2. these Prophets could by immediate revelation explain difficult and abstruse places could foretell things to come as did Agabus If we can in our daies finde any such Prophets who without any study by immediate Revelation can thus explain Scripture he shall prophesie and preach too by my consent And that this was an extraordinary gift spoken of here is manifest from the Context it is joyned with the gift of tongues which was miraculously given yea they spake by Revelation Ver. 31. If any thing be revealed c. this is not meant of every sudden fancy any uncertain conceit of any ordinary Text it is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which is spoken of discovering and making plain things in themselves hard to be understood and that without our industry by the immediate dartings of Supernaturall Light 2. Where it is said that they might All prophesie it is not meant of all the members of the Church but only of the Prophets who had this extraordinary gift bestowed on them That it relates not to all is manifest from what is spoken presently after where some were forbidden to speak in the Church vers. 34. It is not permitted to a woman to speak in the Church Yea the same Apostle saith that all are not Apostles all are not Prophets c. 1 Cor. 12. 29. if all were not Prophets then all must not prophesie and if all must not prophesie then the word All in that place must have some other reference The drift of the Apostle there was to prevent that disorder and confusion which was too common and too evil among them vers. 26 33. It is strange that men should take occasion by it to introduce and Foment disorder in the Church That term All then must be referred to the Prophets all the Prophets may prophesie verse 29. Let the Prophets speak and let the others judge this can be only meant of them who were called to the office and were partakers of that gift which I told you was extraordinary for they are called Prophets Let the others judge let the Prophets judge who have the Spirit of discerning and were able to try the truth as Diodate and so Beza nimirum Propheta for saith he it cannot at all be gathered from those places that it should be permitted to any of the Church to speak to this purpose it is observable that the article {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is joyned with the adjective it is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which speaks its reference to the Prophets ver. 30. If any thing be revealed to another this cannot be spoken of any of the private members for it is onely of him that had immediate Revelation given him if any thing be revealed to another viz to another Prophet so Diodate and Beza renders {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} alii nempe Prophetae Then ver. 31. for ye may all prophesie c. of whom can this All be meant but of those Prophets who were to speak two or three while others judged who had Revelations immediatly given them Diodate renders it all that had the gift and calling of Prophets and Beza explains {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} All all the Prophets it concerns not the private members of the Church nay the following ver. 32. explains it and tels you who must speak the Spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets they surely were to speak whose doctrine for that is meant by the Spirits was to be tried by the Prophets but the text saith they are the Spirits of the Prophets Whereas it is said they must speak one by one Diodate explains it by turns and in divers or several Assemblies and so Beza saith it must not be the same day but at severall meetings this is their glosse

censure What they would have done he knows not I know who do labour to suck the bloud of the lambs of Christ Let me tell him time was that if others had exercised such cruelty against him and his party as he would have inflicted now upon the Ministers of Christ his tongue must not have run at this rate It is pity so much tendernesse should be repaid with so great severity But the Proverb is true Pag. 20. We have no true Church no true Ministers How then got he to be of a Church or when did the true Church begin For Pag. 29. We are not speaking saith he out of but in a constituted Church He is much put to it to answer that Argument If gifted men may preach then gifted women too This saith he is your conclusion we say and the Scripture saith that gifted Brethren may preach you Will will conclude that gifted women may preach But where doth the Scripture mention gifted brethren more then gifted women I had thought gifting had been the qualification thè sending and then in one as well as another Let people see what pains he takes to shift off the truth what ●oles he runs into so prevent a conviction Nay Pag. 60. he saith Women may prophesie too though not in the Church or at Last by the permission of the Church For which ●●●●…geth 1 Cor. 11 5. An excellent interpretation Paul saith the women must not be permitted to speak in the Church and he would move they may with his glosse upon another pi●●● But besides what is answered by the Gentleman t●●●… I shall 〈◊〉 that Learned Mead expounds it of singing and for that exposition urgeth ●Chron 25. 2. 1 Sam. 10. 5. where prophesying is taken in the same sense Every woman that praisth or singeth praise c. He labours much to take off those answers given to what is urged from 1 Cor. 14 But for all he saith to that I shall referre the Reader to what I have spoken of that place and of the argument drawn thence in the former part of this Book He acknowledgeth prophesying to be extraordinary under the law but not in Gospel-daies pag. 60. If it were ordinary in the Primitive times why was it given then by Revelation Why were not all that had gifts Prophets If it be ordinary now Why doth it not continue If Th. Collier can but discover that there is such a gift of prophesying now as was then when ut suprà they received immediate Revelation when they could foretell things to come when they could by sudden instinct explain dark and difficult Prophecies he will speak something but I do not see that is attempted I would advise him never to urge that Scripture more until he can manifest such a gift Yet I cannot but observe his learned exposition upon the 32. verse of 1 Cor. 14. Let the spirits of the Prophets be subject to the Prophets P. 21. i. They are able to contain themselves and be silent while another speaks When it it is said ver 29 that they must speak two or three and the others judge The text it self tels you what subjection is meant there i. to the judgement of the Prophets Surely if he had such a measure of the Spirit that he pretends to he would have more skill in discerning of Scripture Let none think that he hath the spirit of prophesying spoken of 1 Cor. 14. that can no better explain so easie a Text Master Hall The Gentleman having said that the holy Ghost commends Learning He replies pag. 41. Holy Ghosts Is there any such word in all the Scripture as Ghost How now which way went the Spirit of God from him What immediatly inspired yet ignorant of this hath he forgotten Mat. 28 20. Hath Baptism been so long out of fashion that he hath forgotten the words of it Is Act. 2. 4. besides other places quite out of his minde Hath his new and clear light dazled his eyes or hath he been digging so long in the bottomlesse pit that the smoak hath wholly beclouded him He would know whether Pauls gift and ours were received different waies p. 45. I shall grant they were yet deny his false inference we may have gifts from the same spirit yet in a diverse manner As different gifts so different wayes of conferring them were from the same spirit Paul had his by immediate Revelation we receive ours more mediatly by the use of means One man takes up water at the Fountain is it not the same water or must it be wickedly come by that another takes up in the channell Why had he not as well questioned what Timothy's gift had been when it was different from Pauls too What is spoken concerning Numb. 11. 25. to the 30. is sufficiently cleared before yet without further reference he grants me enough that it was an extraordinary spirit of prophecie then whatsoever may be practised in Gospel dayes that place will afford us no Argument in ordinary times when extraordinary gifts are not given Jehoshaphat sent Princes to teach pag. 62. from 2 Chron. 19. but you 'll see the Levites had the Law of the Lord vers. 11. It is urged May not you do your self what you may command your servant to do No A King might command a Judge to hear and determine Causes which he may not do himself A King inthose dayes might command a Priest to offer sacrifice which to have done himself had been sin Our Iehoshaphats saith he pag. 63. have of late rather encouraged the gifted brethren for to teach then prohibited them I think the State is little beholding to him If another should have said so much it might have been taken ill I am sure they have not yet recalled those Ordinances of Parliament made against such Preachers He that sent Christ extraordinarily sends lay Prophets ordinarily pag. 67. that remains yet to be proved this is per idem as he learnedly answers in anothers place Let us but see the examples of any in Scripture that ever Preached who were no otherwise sent then our gifted brethren are now You have seen the Apostles and Disciples were sent extraordinarily by the immediate voice of God but these although they urge their examples have no such mission He would perswade us that Prophesying was not an Office but a gift pag. 60. alibi yet it is numbred among the severall Offices of the Church Rom 12. 7. he confesseth that the Office of Ministers is meant in the same place why then not prophesying when they are equally called gifts so they are called too Ephes. 4. 11. yet there meant of Offices I shall say nothing of his vain-glorious crying up himself and his Party as the only gifted the only godly men his despitefull reproaching of the Ministers of Jesus Christ as wicked ignorant Antichristian Devils what not Let the world judge who have the best gifts and by this who have the most pride I could quickly shew you a parallell between their