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A28912 Innocency cleared from lyes in answer or reply to some particular things, which them, who are scornfully called Quakers, are charged with in a book intituled, Malice stript and whipt, &c. : published by one who calls himself Samuel Smith, minster of the gospel, but his practise and bitter spirit maketh him manifest to be forth of the Doctrine of Christ, and that he is not guided by the same spirit which the ministers of Christ were, are guided by as hereafter may be made appear / by ... I.B. J. B. (John Bowater), d. 1704. 1658 (1658) Wing B3870; ESTC R18765 14,367 26

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if thou spoke what thou thought 2 Pet. 3 3. I would have thee to prove it if thou can otherwise if thou spoke what thou thought not art thou not found in the generation of scoffers and for the Scriptures thou alledges them I doe own but they doe not prove the Steeple-house a Church 1 Pet. 2.5 neither the house of God which likely is the end thou brings them for but the Scripture proves the Church is in God 1 Thes 1.1 And the Apostle Peter saith ye also as living stones Eph. 2.20 21. mark that are built up a spirituall house and are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Iesus Christ himself being the chief Corner stone in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth up an holy Temple in the Lord know you not that your bodies are the Temple of the Holy Ghost which if thou had known why didst thou stumble at their calling of the place builded of wood or stone a Steeple-house is not that the most fit name for if it have a Steeple where the Bell or Bells hang if it have we may call it so and yet not be found in the number of Stevens persecutors Mat. 10 16 17 18 but rather thou wilt be found in that number if thou seek to cast the innocent into prison and plead for the Temple which Steven witnessed against saying the most high dwelleth not in Temples made with hands which they that then upheld the Temple put Steven to death Acts 7. Narration The Priest stirred up the Iustices to grant a warrant to fetch in the innocent before the Iustice c. Smith Saith must you have liberty to rayl revile scandalize and disturbe the Ministers of Christ in doing their office away Animals away if the Gaol of Shrewsbury be not a means to recover your madness Bedlam is fittest for such men Reply Nay no such liberty doe we desire as this to rayl revile scandalize and disturbe the Ministers of Christ but this we desire which is reasonable to have liberty to speak the truth which we are able to prove by the Scriptures of truth and if any man accuse us especially if he pretend to be a Minister with the holding of damnable tenents as it is like this Smith hath done we desire that they might shew us in the spirit of meekness what these damnable tenents are that we might forsake them and if they accuse us falsly that they might repent and this liberty is but reasonable and not contrary to the Law of the Nation but it seems this Smith would have liberty to say what he will and none to say to him what dost thou but if they doe he will call them disturbers and the means he will use to recover them as it seems is Shrewsbury Gaol or else Bedlam which is a means the Ministers of Christ never used that ever I read of in the Scriptures of truth but it hath been the custome of that Synagogue of Satan at Rome and their adherents when they could not bring men into submission to what they falsly called truth then under the name of Hereticks or disturbers of the peace those that would not submit to them they put to some cruell death or else kept them in prison and shamefully entreated them which is the way this Smith would take it seems to recover those which will not beleeve what he saith to be true but it is good for the Rulers to take heed that they doe not consents least they should become guilty of innocent blood for by this he hath made himself manifest to all the children of light what spirit he is of Narration And the innocent there accused could have proved the Priests man forsworne but could not be heard Smith Saith be it known unto all men by these presents that the Quakers in Shrewsbury Gaol are not perfect nor without sin unless their tenents be which I shall not wonder at that lying is no sin c. Reply Here thou gives out as though they were lyers pretending thou hath some ground or colour for it if any of the books came to thy hand uncorrected but to take away the ground or colour of thy accusing them this I say I have seen their Manuscript and it is there the innocent there accused could have proved the Priests man forsworn speaking of thy servant and besides they can prove many of the books they corrected though may be some might escape their hands and if there was nothing near to thee which accused thee why did thou take it to thy self if thou had dealt honestly thou would not have catcht at a letter being set wrong knowing that a fault may be in printing as I might instance in thy book or else thou hast done very sottishly but this I pass not loving to strive about words having taken thy ground or colour of accusing them away they are clear and are able to prove what they intended which was concerning thy man-servant being forsworne which may be a shame unto thee to keep such in thy house it may be thou thought thou might say what thou would when thou had them in Shrewsbury Gaol which is the means thou will use to recover them or else Bedlam surely thy Bretheren and the men of thy own generation will be ashamed of this Io. 8.44 or else their merchandize will savour evill in the Nostrels of all honest men and for our tenents being such that lying is no sin I utterly deny for lying is of the Devill he is the Father of it and all unrighteousness is sin so they being clear of what thou accused them with let him that 's wise judge who is fallen into the pit Narration And being carryed to prison we remained till the next day c. Smith It is well you will sometime speak the truth c. Reply I say it is well thou hast confest this out of thy own mouth be thou judged whether thou be a lyer yea or nay thou saith toward the beginning of thy Book speaking of theirs that it was full of falshoods lys and untruths now if it had been ful of falshoods lys and untruths as thou saith then how could they sometime speak the truth in it be thou judge of this matter and he that deserves the shame let him take it Narration Neither did we any thing contrary to sound doctrine for there is nothing mentioned in the Scripture of putting off the Hat c. Smith VVhere was that honour you owed as due to the Magistrate when you came and presented your selves in the face of the Court and presence of the Iudge in that rude uncivill and contemptuous manner neither putting off the Hat nor bowing before him which the fifth Commandement commands c. Reply They honoured the Magistrate with as much honour as that thou tells of which Paul gave to Festus and King Agrippa he called them by the titles which belonged to them and so did they him who