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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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Uniformi●y made Episcopacy and Common-p●ayer unlawf●ll 'T is the Law that Silences an● not the Bishops Non-Conformists silence themselves Berter particulars suffer then 〈◊〉 Order o●●●vernment be dissolved Richard ag●ees with Dr Reynolds 〈◊〉 conform'd Richard pleads altogether for Love Ba●ters way of e●pressing ●ichard against rash ●●nsuring 〈…〉 Baxter ag●inst Rich●rd Mr Ba●ters Cha●ity to the Clergy and discip●ine of ●he Chu●ch His brotherly Love Church ann State arraign d. Richard and Baxter of two quite different spirits The persecuted are the perssecutors Be sure first of what spirit ●he Non-Confo●mists are The spirit of the Non-Conformists His Late Majesties Judgement Experience upon it The spirit that Richard pl●ads ●or Richards ●oleration Who are the Judges the Government or the People Modest Dissenters deserve pity The Dispute is not Scruple but Power Plain dealing Richard puts the Case of a Saint and a Schismatick Baxters Saints Baxter sully resolved to go to them that dy'd in Rebellion He joys to think what Company he shall have Baxter says that Professors will rail and lye c. But that neither Perjury drunkennesse Incest Concubines nor Idols can make them dotoriously ungodly The Saints that are cast out for hereticks Either Tolerate All or None but upon a Penalty No men must be Tolerated if no Errour Baxter shews the Inconveniences of Toleration Pride makes one mans Religion Faction anothe●s Which ends in bloud And yet pass●● for doing God good service And the motion of the spirit Enthusiastick zea● Dotage●●a●en fo● Re●elations Scripture the Ru●e But who must expound it One mans Faith must not Impose upon anot●ers Mistake will not justifie the Errour nor ex●use a Disobedience Men will be zealous even in Errour More zeal then understanding is not good None so fierce and bold as ●he Ignorant Even Teachers themselves are false Guides M● Baxter himself has been mistaken Ill luck with his Aphorisms How Richard was wheedled in i. e. he was reconci ' d to the Church Richards best Christians found to ●e Schismaticks Great m●n misled and why not 〈…〉 Believe not every spirit T●e Dissenters Cause is still Gods cause Their false Prophets T●e Kings death directed by a Revelation Sedgwicks day of Judgment Vavas●r Powe●s Prophecy of no more Kings or Taxe● Rather the Law of the Land then the Humour of the people A Fear of sinning ought to be cherished even in a mistake Dangerous trusting to scruples Who would have thought it Th● Episcopal Clergy Simeon and Levi. O the force of a misguided Con●cience The very Case of the seduced mu●●i●ude The Name of Libe●ty does mo●e ●●en ●he conside●atio● 〈◊〉 Heaven it self Baxt●r against Liberty And Toleration Liberty the way to set up Popery Mr. Richard an Improper Advocate for Toleration Richard is a Conformist Mr. Baxters Sermon that brought the King in Presbytery for the Lords sake Oh the happy times when Presbyterians rul'd Have a care of scandalous Inventions The Ignorant Church-Tyrants Richard not absolutely against the Cross. ●axters a Loyallist Errour is no e●cuse for disobedience The Pre●eoce of Natu●e and true Reason avoids ●ll Law A Popu●ar Fallacy The Presby●eri●n way of b●in●ing in ●he King Richards challenge In justification o● the Non-Conformis●s The Non-Conformists charge A Presbyterian defin'd Presbyterians swallow ap all othe● Sect● at ●irst and t●en sp●w the● up ag●in Richard say● that the Episc●pal m●n b●gan ●he war T●e two Hous●s Lord ●ieu●e●●n●s O●●ic●r Civil and Mi●i●●●y Assemb●y 〈◊〉 Divine● a●m●st all Episcop●l m●n The Kings ●●gag'd Enem●●●●ere all 〈◊〉 〈…〉 The Parliament b●ought in the Scots Few worthier Assemblies since the Apostles days Their good na●u●e toward the Independents The Guild-Hall ha●●ngue● 〈◊〉 brought in the Scots His Majesties Proclamation against the Assembly of Divines Jun 22. 1643. Painful Able Laborious Ministers The Loyall Presbyterians The 〈…〉 Kings Proclamation A Dutiful Proposition The Worthy 〈◊〉 The 〈…〉 An Abuse put upon the Nation An Extract of Par●iament Proceedings 1643. The Assembly stir up the people to rise Prov'd to he a Presbyterian War Richard says the War began about Religion Baxter says it began about matter of Law Richard says 't was about the Militia Baxter says the War was made for Reformation A lewd scandal upon the late Kings Government R●c●ard will not allow of war ●ot Religion Baxter i● for a Re●igious Wer. They are fools that think ●ther 〈◊〉 In ca●● o● p●r●secuti●● we figh●●or our own and our pos●eri●●●●●al●ation The late Kings s●ffe●ings forgot en among g●eater 〈…〉 Pryn Burton and Bastwick lamented but not a word ●f the Royal Mar●yr Presbytery not setled say● Rich●rd Baxter contradicts hi● And co●fo●●s himsel● with comparing 〈◊〉 day of Richard P●otector wi●h Charle ● Ten 〈◊〉 Hypocrites Now 〈◊〉 One 〈◊〉 Baxters Comp●e●en● to the Sons of the 〈◊〉 1659 Richard Cromwells fait●full Subiects Mr. Baxters Political Aphorismes composed expresly to keep out the King Poor R●chard like 〈…〉 and pr●ying again●t the Scots The spirit of Malignity has taken 〈◊〉 the Army The Presbyterians Per●ecuted The Presbyterians Journey-men the Army se● up for themselves Somewhat of an accomoda-Generosi●y in the Independents The poor Presbyterians persecuted by the Army for not joyning against the Scots Oh the persecution o● forcing men against their Conscien●es But so long as ●hey do not suffer as evil-doers No persecution to oppresse the Church and all that love it Mr. Baxt●r places the Crown upon the wrong Head The King destroy'd by Presbyterians as Presbyterians The Loyalty of ●axters Orthodox sober Ministers Richard subject to the Higher power but not resolv'd which it is An Even score of Orthodox sober Divines The last Kings bloud not valu'd at a Ceremony ☞ The Kings Murther justify'd the day after it was committed All Christian Kings Anti-Christianiz'd ☜ A Reflection upon ●is Majes●y a●●er his De●e●t at Wo●cester Prelacy Anti-Christian A Pedant triumphing over Charles the II. and Monarchy it self And calling the King Tyrant Are These Fit Agents for Unity and Peace Richard True to the King but he mistook the King Baxters Re●stauration Sermon Asserts the Presbyterian Loyalty Makes the King a Subject and worse Pleads for Presbytery without a word of restoring the King The War rais●d for King and Par●ia●ent Their Oaths Covenants were fast and loose at pleasure The pretext of the War Religion the Cause Ambition The Loyal Presbyte●ians usurp Sovereign Power The Two Houses were the King in the Covenant No Reconciling of the Covenant King the Legal Richard holds Oaths to Princes to be Dispensable Baxter holds Oaths of Allegiance to be Indispensable Richard will hate the Covenant binding as it is a Vow The League and Covenant and Vow and Covenant The League and Covenant Impos d. Baxter is his own on●essor ●nd bsolves himse●f The Covenan● for the King qualify'd for Re●igion If the King be against Religion the Covenant is against him Richard lays the Death of the King to Oliver The Baxterians attack'd the King And they fough● to kill
the Division labouring to make the other Contemptible and odious and This called the Teaching of Truth and the purer Worshiping of God Church-Divisions Pref. Ba. When so great a man as Tertullian was deceived by Montanus and his Prophetesse When such a one as Hacket could deceive not only Coppinger and Arthington but abundance more when David George in Holland Iohn of Leiden in Munster c. could deceive so many persons as they did when the pretended Revelations of the Ranters First and the Quakers After could so marvellously transport many Thousands of professors of Religion in this Land I think we have fair warning to take the Counsell of St. Iohn Believe not every Spirit but try the Spirit whether they be of God Church Divis. P. 164. Alas how common was this in the Army to set up and Pull down do an undo own and disown as by the Spirit of God! There was Mr. Erbery Mr. Saltmarsh Mr. Dell Mr. William Sedgwick who as from God wrote one week to the Army against their putting the King to Death and the next week wrote to them quite on the other side and that set London by a Prophecy or Vision on looking for the day of Judgement on a set day Second Admon to Bagshaw P. 68. Vavasor Powell at Clifton upon Thame in Worcestershire quickly after Worcester Fight said in his Sermon that he would tell them these things as from God that they should have no more Kings nor any more Taxes nor pay any more Tithes Ibid. P. 69. Mo. Pray'e do but consider now if your particular Pastors disagree among themselves if you your self Mr. Baxter have been mistaken in your Judgement as well of Truth in Notion as of Persons If those that you took for Saints proved Schismaticks and Persecutors those that you took for Conscientious Professors are we not much better in the hand of a known and Impartiall Law that cannot deceive us then at the Mercy of a wilde Multitude Unknown and Prepossess'd who in all probability will impose upon us Ri. A Fear of sinning is necessary in all that will be Obedient to God and will be saved It is that Fear of God which is the beginning of Wisdom It is therefore to be loved and cherished even when Scrupulousness mistaketh the matter Non-Con Plea 2d Part. P. 163. Ba. There 's no trusting to Scruples I have known some that have liv'd long in douhts and fears of Damnation who have turn'd Anabaptists and sodainly had Comfort and yet in a short time they forsook that Sect and turn'd to another I have known those also that have liv'd many years in timorous Complaints and fears of Hell and they have turned to the Antinomians and sodainly been comforted and others have turned Arminians which is clear contrary and been comforted and others have but heard of that Doctrine of Perfection in this Life and sodainly been past their fears as if hearing of Perfection had made them perfect And from thence they have turned Familists and at last shew'd their Perfection by Fornication and Licentiousnesse and mere Apostacy who yet liv'd very conscientiously and blamelessely as long as they liv'd in their Fears and Troubles P. 170. Chu●ch Divis. Could I have believed him that would have told me five years ago This bearing date Ian. 15. 1649. that when the * Scorners of Godlinesse were subdu'd and the bitter persecutors of the Church overthrown that such should succeed them who suffered with us who were our Intimate Friends with whom we took sweet Counsel and went up together to the House of God Did I think it had been in the hearts of men professing such zeal to Religion and the ways of Christ to draw their Swords against each other and to seek each others Bloud so fiercely Alas if the Judgment be once perverted and Errour hath perverted the Supreme Faculty whether will men go and what will they do O what a potent Instrumen● for Satan is a misguid●d Conscience It will make a man kill his dearest Friend yea Father or Mother yea the Holyest Saint and think he doth God good service by it And to facilitate the work it will first blot out the Reputation of their Holinesse and make them take a Saint for a Devil Saints Rest. P. 133. Whence can it be but for want of self-denyall that Magistrates pro●●ssing a zeal for Holynesse r●gard no more the Interest of Christ but that the Name and but the Name of Liberty a Liberty that hath neither Moral Good or Evill in it is set in the ballance against the things of everlasting Consequence and thought sufficient to over weigh th●m And that the meer pretense of this Indifferent Carnal Liberty is thought an Argument of sufficient weight for the Introduction of a wicked Damning Liberty even a liberty to deceive and destroy as many as they can and to hinder those that desire mens Salvation R. B's Self-denyal Epist. Monitory Shall every man have leave to do evill that can be Ignorant enough to think or say he thinks that he doth well And must Magistrates rule as men that are Uncertain whether there be a Christ or a Church or Heaven or Hell because some are found in their Dominions so foolish or Impious as to be Uncertain of it Ibid. Will mercyfull Rulers set up a trade for butchering of Souls and allow men to set up a shop of poyson for all men to buy and take that will yea to proclaim this poyson for Souls in Streets and Church Assemblies c. I●i● But the same Argument that tempts the sensuall to Hell doth tempt such Magistrates to set up Liberty for drawing men to Hell Ibid. Is Faith and Holynesse propagated by Perswasion and not by Force Surely then Infidelity Popery and Ungodlynesse ar● Propagated by Perswasion too Again I tell yo● self-love doth make such Rulers wiser then to grant Commission at liberty to all that will to tice the Souldiers to Mutinies and Rebellion c. Ibid. Liberty in all mat ers of Worship and of Faith is the open and apparent way to set up Popery in the Land N●●-Con Plea Pref. M● Well Mr. Richard After this frank and sensible D●claration of your self upon this Chapter do but teach me which way in the world to reconcile your Practice and your Conscience for you are a Person certainly of all men Living the most Improper Advocate for a Toleration and the most unfit Sollicitor of a Popular Petition First as your Iudgement lie● directly against the thing you pleade for Secondly as you are conscious of the danger as well as the Injusti●● of such a License Thirdly you have been a very u●happy Instrument already betwixt his Majesty and his Subjects And Lastly In demanding That over again from This King by which his Father was destroy'd you make your self suspected to have some Ill Designe For to Triumph and Rejoyce as you do after the