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A77927 The innocency of the Christian Quakers manifested, and the truth of their principles and doctrine cleared and defended from the loud (but false) clamours, base insinuations and wicked slanders of James Barry. / Published for the general satisfaction and benefit of all, who simply desire to know and embrace the truth. Burnyeat, John, 1631-1690.; Strettell, Amos.; Barry, James. 1688 (1688) Wing B5967; ESTC R170925 24,109 32

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settle them in which is opposite to Gods Free Grace which brings Salvation James Barry also with some of his Hearers did account it an Errour in the Quakers to own immediate Revelation and said they did disown it Now seeing it is so that the immediate Spirit of Christ and its immediate Revelation is denyed by him we demand of him how he came to be a Minister and whence he hath his Ability and that Knowledge of God he pretendeth to have and from whom he hath received his Gospel that he Preacheth its evident enough not from Christ for indeed it is not like his nor him who would have gathered the Children of Jerusalem as a Hen her Chickens but they would not therefore were they rejected because they would not be gathered the Apostle saith 2 Cor. 3.6 they were made able Ministers of the new Testament not of the Letter but of the Spirit and verse 5. saith their sufficiency was of God and Gal. 1.11 12. the Gospel which Paul preached it was not after Man for he neither received it of Man neither was taught it but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ Eph. 3. he declares that he was made a Minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto him by the effectual working of his Power and Peter saith 1 Pet. 4.11 If any man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God if any man Minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be glorified c. Now how is this ability received from God if not by his Spirit and therefore he gave different Gifts of the Spirit for the work of the Ministry and by that they were opened and inlarged and made able But James Barry denying this from whom hath he his Call and whence hath he his Gospel and Ability If he saith from God We desire to know how he received it being not by the Spirit he having denyed that and if it be not by the Spirit it cannot be from God For what a Man receives of Spiritual benefit it must be by the Spirit either immediately or mediately by its working through an Instrument Therefore let him make out how he comes by his Call Ability and that necessity he pretends to be upon him for the Divine Spirit being denyed it must be from Man or else from his own corrupt Heart for Self-interest Which is most probable that he might get Gain and live upon the People For it is evident his necessity is not the same that was upon the Apostle 1 Cor. 9.16 he owns not his way of receiving it nor doth follow his Example in preaching it And to his Hearers this advice we give Consider well your State and whether you profit under his Ministry or no For of old they that ran and the Lord did not send them did not profit the People for he denying Revelation by which the Father and the Son is savingly known No other Knowledge is come to without it but by Hear-say which is not that Knowledge Christ speaks of which is Life Eternal and for your satisfaction read the following Scriptures Mat. 11.27 Christ saith Neither knoweth any Man the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him So Christ is positive that no Man knows God but by his Revelation Matt. 16.17 Christ saith it was the Father that revealed him unto Peter and Gall. 1.15.16 There you may see the Father revealed his Son in Paul 1 Cor. 2.10 The Apostle speaking of the great things God had prepared for them that love him saith God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit and in Eph. 1.17 you may see how the Apostle prayed for the Saints that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ the Father of Glory would give unto them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the Knowledge of the Son and 1 Cor. 14.30 he saith if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his Peace Here you may see that from the Testimony of the Holy Scripture which your Minister said should be the Standard to try every thing by that in the true Church Revelation was expected and to be given way to in the Church and by the Apostle was prayed for that God would give the Spirit and Revelation unto the Church for he knew they could not Worship Pray Preach nor Sing aright without it And what Is this accounted an Error now by your Minister or you Where is your Standard Will you not come to the Scriptures nor to the Spirit neither Where is your bottom and Foundation that you Build upon What 's your Root that bears you You have got a foolish Builder he will not follow the example of Paul a wise Master-Builder 1 Cor. 14.15 Paul said he would pray with the spirit c. and sing with the spirit c. Eph. 5.18 there the Apostle exhorts them to be filled with the spirit and Rom. 8.26 he saith they knew not what to pray for as they ought but the Spirit helped their Infirmities c. and Christ in the 4th of John saith that God is a Spirit and they that Worship him must Worship him in Spirit and Truth and such doth the Father seek to Worship him Now let your Minister clear these things up to you How in your Church or Families either He and you denying Revelation can Worship aright Preach Pray or Sing aright and by what you have Ability and know what to pray for without the Spirits help What are you so strong of your selves in your Self Ability that you do not need that which the Apostles and all true Christians sought the help of and could not do without Nay it was that by which they knew what to Pray for and therefore they waited for its assistance and Paul said he would pray with it You may make long Prayers like the Pharisees but what will it avail it being done without that in which the Saints had access to God. So here your Praying and Worship and Seperation or Gathering being without the Spirit What can it be but from self and in self and so like them spoken of in Jude 19. These be they who seperate themselves sensual not having the Spirit And we desire you to read the 8th Chapter to the Romans and consider what you are to walk after as Christians and to be led by and to live after and with what you are to mortifie the Flesh or the deeds of the Flesh if you own a Mortification needful to Salvation and whether you can be Christs and not have his Spirit and whether you can be the Sons of God and not be led by his Spirit and whether you are Children but by Adoption and if by Adoption whether this Adoption is not by the Spirit And whether it was not the Spirit it self that bore witness with the Saints Spirits that they were the Children of God as verse the 16. And then consider what
find fault with that which he himself seems to advise unto In his first Paper he calls us persons who delight in brangling and stirring up the spirit of Animosity and Prejudice and men of as little Charity and Religion as those we receive our idle Stories from whether this be not more his guilt than ours we shall leave to the Lord to judge and also to men of understanding who have the knowledge of both our Practices In his second Paper he charges our Principles to be dark and uncertain but lays down no Arguments against them In his last before recited you see how he charges Quakerism as he terms it to be made up and constituted of Subtlety and judges us to be in serpentine acts and our Cause dark and rotten and likewise you may see what an Imputation of being Gods Enemies he endeavours to fasten upon us in his Application of those two Scriptures viz. Psal 17.14 and 73.12 and in the conclusion of the same Paper giving his Reason why he sent all his without date tells us he did it willingly having seriously consider'd that a dateless Answer was at any time good enough for foolish and impertinent Stories and nonsensical Whimsies So that though he lays down no Arguments to confute our Principles yet you may see who are unbyassed and without prejudice what confidence he hath to pass sentence upon us and our Blessings to be that kind of Blessedness which is the portion of Gods Enemies and that is a sad portion Let him be as full of Envy as he can to answer it he need desire no worse for us the Lord forgive the thoughts of his heart and the words of his mouth and bring him to Repentance if he see good for from these doings of his it appears he is in the gaul of bitterness and wants Charity which is the perfecting Vertue he spares not to judge both us and our Principles as the worst of men and Principles which if he speaks truth of us then we are so indeed but he hath that yet to prove and therefore he had been wiser if he had first proved us such and then given his Judgment upon us but alas his Malice and Envy would not suffer him to stay for that lest he should be prevented for want of proof You see how he judges us to delight in brangling and stirring up the spirit of Animosity and Prejudice which is the work of evil men and our Principles dark and uncertain and therefore not of God who is Light and unchangeable and that our Religion is made up and constituted of Subtlety then not of Simplicity and our Acts Serpentine that proceeds from the wicked one and not from Christ that bruiseth the Serpents head and our Cause dark and rotten then it is not in the everlasting Light all this being once proved by him then he makes good his Application we are Enemies indeed to God and Christ But all this we do deny and leave at his door to prove if he can and until then we lay it upon him as a wicked Sentence and Judgment but this is not all though this were enough if true to make the Quakers and their Principles hated of God and good men But in his Preaching and other Discourse as well as in his said Papers he hath not spared to rail abuse and pass Judgment upon us as appears by several Witnesses one whereof * John Smith affirmed that he heard him in his publick preaching declare that the Quakers were the Spawn of the Jesuites and that the Jesuites were the Spawn of the Devil which he himself hath since owned to two of our Friends who spoke to him about it Now this false and wicked Accusation we utterly deny and therefore turn it upon himself to prove the same we having born our Testimony against them as we do against him and all others who stand up against the glorious appearance of Truth as it hath pleased God to manifest it in this day and therefore do utterly deny to be of their Off-spring Yet do desire that in his next he would make out how they are the Spawn of the Devil and we their Off-spring in that Line So let all people consider the desperate boldness harshness and hardness of this mans heart and spirit you see how in his unwholsome words he places us in the Devils Line and Off-spring and so near as his Grand-children what worse can he make of us or in what state that 's more dreadful can he place us Sure in his Judgment we are far separated from God. Doubtless he accounts us of the reprobate number that God never had Mercy for since he believes there are such It is also evidenced unto us that he joyned the Quakers and Muggletonians together and said Witness Thomas Smith that we did take upon us to know the Dimensions of God viz. to know his length bredth bigness form and likeness which is altogether false for we utterly deny such erroneous Principles and have born our Testimony against Muggleton It is also evidenced unto us by two Witnesses that James Barry in his preaching did affirm John Kelson Thomas Cole that the Quakers were a bewitching and blaspheming erroneous people cheating God of his Right and that they did compass Sea and Land to make one Proselite and when they had done made him twofold a child of the Devil more then before Thus it appears that he still endeavours to insense people against us as that we are from the Devil and are working for him to turn and beget to him and not to God. Those with many more such like unchristian reflections and abuses against us and our Principles are brought to us and testified to have proceeded from his mouth and therefore we offered as before that we desired a publick Meeting before the people that the Witnesses and he might come face to face and that the people might hear both sides with their Witnesses and when all was heard that we would leave it as before proposed And this we thought might be a good opportunity for him to cleer himself if innocent but it 's like he knowing in his Conscience his guilt made him fly from so reasonable an offer and shuffle as he hath done that he might escape coming to the tryal lest he should be further manifested Now as to those three Principles James Barry promised to send forth his Arguments in Print to prove the Quakers grand Hereticks in they were in our Answer to one of his said Papers sent him laid down and express'd according to the following words viz. To the first we affirm That we own the Resurrection and do believe that the Righteous shall rise and ascend into Glory and be glorified in Heaven with an eternal Reward and that the Wicked also shall rise and come to Judgment and be turned into Hell to receive an eternal Punishment But that the same fleshly Body which must undergo Death and Corruption shall rise