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A30907 William Michel unmasqued, or, The staggering instability of the pretended stable Christian discovered his omissions observed, and weakness unvailed : in his late faint and feeble animadversions by way of reply to a book intituled Truth cleared of calumnies : wherein the integrity of the Quakers doctrine is the second time justified and cleared from the reiterate, clamorous but causeless calumnies of this cavilling cetechist [sic] / by Robert Barclay. Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690. 1672 (1672) Wing B742; ESTC R37062 60,482 82

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the_o spirit_n assistance_n whereby_o instead_o of_o advance_v in_o grace_n and_o righteousness_n they_o do_v but_o reiterate_v abomination_n and_o so_o aggrevate_v their_o own_o guilt_n and_o whereas_o here_o he_o be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v that_o motive_n of_o the_o spirit_n will_v not_o be_v want_v to_o the_o saint_n to_o pray_v when_o they_o be_v at_o the_o gate_n of_o death_n or_o in_o danger_n of_o present_a drownd_v he_o ask_v i_o what_o shall_v the_o wicked_a do_v in_o this_o case_n shall_v they_o not_o follow_v the_o advice_n which_o peter_n give_v to_o simon_n magus_n act._n 8._o 22._o pray_v god_n if_o perhaps_o the_o thought_n of_o thy_o heart_n may_v be_v forgive_v thou_o but_o here_o he_o mince_v the_o apostle_n word_n which_o be_v repent_v therefore_o of_o thy_o wickedness_n and_o pray_v etc._n etc._n here_o the_o apostle_n put_v repentance_n before_o prayer_n it_o shall_v not_o be_v deny_v but_o when_o the_o wicked_a have_v repent_v of_o their_o wickedness_n the_o spirit_n will_v not_o be_v want_v to_o assist_v they_o to_o pray_o it_o be_v therefore_o to_o little_a purpose_n that_o pag._n 120._o and_o 121._o he_o plead_v for_o crave_v a_o blessing_n when_o we_o use_v the_o creature_n of_o god_n call_v the_o neglect_n of_o it_o a_o phrophane_a custom_n for_o we_o do_v not_o deny_v it_o and_o condemn_v a_o profane_a neglect_n of_o it_o as_o much_o as_o themselves_o and_o as_o christ_n have_v the_o spirit_n without_o and_o above_o measure_n have_v all_o way_n a_o ready_a access_n to_o the_o father_n so_o we_o be_v glad_a and_o willing_a at_o such_o occasion_n to_o express_v word_n if_o we_o find_v the_o spirit_n assist_v we_o so_o to_o do_v yea_o we_o reckon_v that_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o use_v the_o creature_n without_o our_o heart_n be_v in_o some_o measure_n retire_v to_o the_o sense_n of_o god_n presence_n and_o stay_v in_o his_o fear_n whereby_o we_o may_v secret_o breathe_v for_o a_o blessing_n for_o to_o speak_v audible_a word_n be_v not_o 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dare_v he_o aver_v he_o have_v any_o better_a ground_n for_o it_o then_o hear-say_n upon_o this_o occasion_n he_o ask_v if_o abraham_n must_v not_o keep_v up_o religion_n in_o his_o family_n because_o a_o ishmael_n be_v in_o it_o but_o this_o make_v nothing_o against_o we_o for_o none_o of_o we_o that_o be_v master_n of_o family_n have_v forbear_v to_o keep_v up_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n though_o enemy_n of_o truth_n have_v be_v in_o it_o who_o we_o have_v not_o bar_v from_o be_v present_a and_o for_o who_o we_o have_v not_o be_v want_v to_o pray_v though_o we_o can_v join_v with_o they_o in_o their_o prayer_n as_o w._n m._n advise_v we_o until_o first_o they_o repent_v of_o their_o wickedness_n this_o be_v the_o method_n of_o peter_n advice_n to_o simon_n magus_n first_o to_o repent_v and_o then_o to_o pray_v as_o be_v above_o show_v sect._n pag._n 125._o he_o say_v quakerism_n tend_v to_o make_v mortification_n of_o sin_n useless_a and_o to_o i_o ask_v whether_o mortification_n be_v useless_a where_o the_o end_n of_o it_o which_o be_v perfection_n be_v atain_v he_o answer_v that_o perfection_n be_v toofold_a comparative_a and_o absolute_a and_o see_v we_o be_v for_o a_o absolute_a perfection_n there_o be_v no_o use_n for_o mortification_n answ._n there_o can_v none_o come_v to_o this_o absolute_a perfection_n as_o he_o term_v it_o but_o by_o mortification_n of_o sin_n and_o even_o such_o as_o be_v so_o perfect_a while_n on_o earth_n do_v constant_o use_v mortification_n to_o keep_v down_o sin_n lest_o it_o rise_v again_o and_o to_o resist_v the_o temptation_n of_o the_o enemy_n wherewith_o even_o such_o as_o be_v perfect_a be_v daily_o assault_v he_o aledge_v i_o triumph_n before_o the_o victory_n in_o quarrel_v he_o for_o say_v that_o a_o sinless_a perfection_n wound_v the_o very_a vital_n of_o religion_n but_o his_o silly_a subterfuge_n in_o this_o place_n may_v easy_o be_v discover_v i_o ask_v he_o in_o my_o last_o that_o see_v he_o say_v so_o whether_o the_o vital_n of_o religion_n consist_v in_o sin_v or_o not_o sin_v add_v that_o if_o it_o consist_v in_o sin_v they_o that_o sin_n most_o be_v most_o religious_a but_o if_o it_o consist_v in_o not_o sin_v then_o to_o plead_v for_o such_o a_o thing_n as_o attainable_a hurt_v not_o the_o vital_n of_o religion_n to_o this_o he_o answer_v that_o the_o vital_n of_o religion_n consist_v in_o the_o mean_v appoint_v of_o god_n who_o see_v not_o this_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a evasion_n why_o do_v he_o not_o give_v a_o direct_a answer_n but_o that_o he_o can_v not_o without_o either_o deny_v his_o former_a antichristian_a expression_n or_o else_o fal_v into_o palpable_a groseness_n and_o whereas_o he_o add_v that_o these_o mean_n be_v repentance_n mortification_n believe_v application_n of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n though_o it_o be_v no_o answer_n to_o my_o question_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o religion_n consist_v in_o these_o thing_n but_o i_o suppose_v he_o will_v not_o say_v that_o 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mere_a assertion_n yet_o the_o contrary_n be_v above_o abundant_o show_v he_o say_v he_o do_v not_o contradict_v himself_o in_o infer_v a_o sinless_a man_n to_o be_v sinful_a he_o affirm_v only_o the_o quaker_n conceited_o sinless_a man_n to_o be_v sinful_a who_o discover_v much_o sin_n in_o their_o pride_n passion_n bitterness_n rail_v accusation_n add_v if_o such_o say_v they_o have_v no_o sin_n they_o be_v but_o liar_n and_o the_o truth_n be_v not_o in_o they_o answ._n there_o be_v no_o such_o addition_n in_o his_o dialogue_n as_o conceited_o sinless_a but_o absolute_o he_o say_v bring_v i_o to_o the_o man_n that_o be_v sinless_a and_o therefore_o his_o contradiction_n remain_v moreover_o let_v he_o name_v that_o quaker_n if_o he_o can_v that_o tell_v he_o he_o be_v perfect_o free_a from_o all_o sin_n and_o yet_o be_v guilty_a of_o those_o crime_n he_o speak_v of_o else_o he_o can_v deduce_v nothing_o from_o his_o own_o false_a supposition_n pag._n 127._o to_o prove_v the_o saint_n continuance_n always_o in_o sin_n he_o desire_v to_o remark_n that_o 1_o joh._n 18_o it_o be_v even_o such_o who_o have_v hear_v see_v and_o handle_v of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n who_o say_v if_o we_o have_v no_o sin_n we_o be_v liar_n and_o here_o indeed_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v his_o detestable_a impudence_n in_o add_v to_o the_o scripture_n word_n cite_v vers_fw-la 7._o which_o he_o repeat_v thus_o we_o who_o be_v cleanse_v from_o the_o guilt_n of_o sin_n whereas_o there_o be_v no_o such_o word_n as_o gild_n in_o that_o place_n but_o only_o we_o be_v cleanse_v from_o all_o sin_n which_o import_v a_o cleanse_n from_o the_o filth_n mark_v these_o word_n vers_fw-la 9_o from_o all_o unrighteousness_n now_o when_o the_o gild_n