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A40899 The Lord Cravens case stated; and the impostor dethron'd by way of reply to Captain George Bishop, a grand Quaker in Bristoll. Wherein is briefly hinted, the rottenness of the Quakers conversion, and perfection, in general, exemplified in this busie bishop; in special instanced in his practises against the estate of the Lord Craven, life of Mr. Love. By occasion whereof, this truth is asserted, viz. if we may judge of the conscience, honesty, and perfection of Quakers in general, by this man in particular, a man may be as vile a person, as any under heaven, and yet a perfect Quaker. Farmer, Ralph.; Bishop, George, d. 1668. aut 1660 (1660) Wing F442; ESTC R218269 94,789 137

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Stephens told mee the youth informed him of so soon as hee came from Hollisters Now my Reader must know that Mr. Cowlishaw since his oath taken as aforesaid is failed in his trade and I wish it may not bee the case of many an honest man besides him And it 's strange it should not in such times as these are of dead trade in general But mark the bold daring and uncharitable presumption of these wretched Quakers who step up into the Judgement Scat of the Almighty and assign the particular causes of his dispensation as if those upon whom the Tower of Siloa fell were greater sinners than others because of that hand of providence or as if his oath were false because of this accident No hee still owns the truth of his deposition also And divers others there are in this City who can attest much to the substance of it But see the malicious spirit of these wretches and yet further seeing they could not draw off this young man from the truth of what hee had deposed nor yet any advantage by tampering with him against mee which was the thing intended for Hollister then told him hee had a hand in a book to that purpose Now not being able to compass their ends upon him Bishop by Hollisters instigation I believe for I suppose the young man is almost as much a stranger to Bishop as to my self who never spake with him but twice and that upon this occasion Bishop I say falls to reproach this young man and to stain his reputation as one of evil course and bad conversation from which hee would needs have us believe Quakerisme had restrained him and to which since hee left quaking hee affirms hee again returned page 28. of his Pamphlet How far 〈◊〉 young mans Father is concerned in this a person of quality Collonel Raymond a Justice of Peace in the Cou●● of Glocester I shall not inquire But for his comfo●● his Sons Right and the discovery of the spiteful malicious revengeful and lying spirit of these deluded and 〈◊〉 luding wretches I do affirm that both from his M●ster and Neighbours persons I am sure of better cre●● than Hollister or Bishop I received a most ample and 〈◊〉 Testimony of the youths most sober piously conformable and good conversation By which wee may see wh●● spirit these Quakers are of and how ready they are 〈◊〉 reproach all that are not with them A Generation of V●●pers and Adders that when they cannot reach the hea●● will bee biting at the heels of those who come near them and must vent their venome one way or other so th●● notwithstanding his cavillings the young mans Testimony stands good against him that these blasphemo●● words were spoken as is alledged Nor must his deny a●● no nor of many more pass for currant or bear weigh● against a positive affirmation so solemnly confirmed N●● is blaspheming language of the Quakers so strange or ra●● as hee would make for it is but the same which was spoken by one Simon Dring another of them as I have declared which allegation Bishop would also enervate annull because I do not name him to whom the words wer● spoken and from thence sayes it is of my own invention page 77. I was not I confess over-forward to mention the names of persons by whom things were related 〈◊〉 mee because all are not willing to have their names 〈◊〉 publikely mentioned But now for satisfaction I let him know it is on that is not ashamed to appear in the face of Captain Bishop and it is Mr. Timothy Parker whom I suppose he wi●● not deny to bee a person of credit and who is ready to attest the truth of what I have set down concerning it And for a further discovery of the impostures prevarications ●eceits and juglings of this generation I 'le give one instance more from a person of whose faithfulness I am assured who himself upon London rode meeting with one with whom hee had been formerly well acquainted and ●●owing him to bee turn'd Quaker amongst other discourse said unto him by way of dislike of his present ●udgment and opinions of Quakerisme you did look and ●ope for righteousness or justification by Jesus Christ the Quaker answered so I do still yea but replied the other Do you look to bee justified and to have your sins ●ardoned for that blood which Christ shed upon the Crosse whereunto the Quaker replied What can that blood bee worth which was shed so long ago This for substance will bee made good both parties I know very well and his Quaker not one of the dull simple or sottish sort of ●hem who know not the worst of their own opinions ●ut one of an ingenuous education and of abilities more ●han ordinary in comparison of the generality of them one acquainted with the mysteries of their own iniquity and blasphemous Doctrine And this not much unlike another but a Shee Quaker yet not of the simplest rank who being confer'd with by one who had heard much of their opinions and asking her by whom she hoped to bee saved she answered by Jesus Christ By what Jesus Christ said hee By that Jesus Christ that died at Jerusalem said shee What replied hee by that Jesus Christ that died at Jerusalem and that is now in heaven Yea said shee Whereat hee something wondring and yet suspecting some equivocation or mental reservation Where said hee is that heaven In mee said shee and so discovered the juggle Now who but one who knowes them throughly but would have been satisfied with her first answers And who would have thought it needful to have carried on the question any further And so in the former any honest simple well meaning heart that is not acquainted with their collusions would have been satisfied with the first answer But you see how hard a matter it is for ever● one to discover them and how loth they are that wha●● they hold should bee fully known lest it should as 〈◊〉 deserves render them abhorred by all honest Christians And hence also you see how little they are to be believed in what they say having reserved meanings 〈◊〉 themselves and speaking contrary to the sense of tho●● expressions which are commonly used amongst Christians And now as the rest of his niblings at my Narrative an● observations thereupon I shall leave the truth to bee determined by the examinations themselves which hee cannot impeach nor will his affirmations negations 〈◊〉 wrestings any way impair And for matter of fact 〈◊〉 the rise growth and setling of these people among us appeal to those who were eare and eye-witnesses of the● things And for his atheological cavillings and Scripture wresting and misapplyings I refer to those who are judicio●● in such matters to conclude between us onely there ar●● some few things wherein I must observe unto my Reader the malicious and revengeful temper of this man in 〈◊〉 dealing with mee I confess neither the person of 〈◊〉 Opponent