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A29753 Quakerisme the path-way to paganisme, or, A vieu of the Quakers religion being an examination of the theses and apologie of Robert Barclay, one of their number, published lately in Latine, to discover to the world, what that is, which they hold and owne for the only true Christian religion / by John Brown ... Brown, John, 1610?-1679.; R. M. C. 1678 (1678) Wing B5033; ESTC R10085 718,829 590

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heart and which Christ procured for man that is the measure of grace and life getteth place to arise and becometh an holy birth in man And that divine aireis it with which mans Spirit is fermented and in which waiting he is accepted in the presence of God and is fitted this word I must supply or his words have no sense to stand in his presence to hear his voice and to observe the motions of his holy Spirit Answ. But 1. We have evinced above that there is no seed planted by God in all men or purchased by Christ that is a measure of saving grace and life Nature and its light and power we grant to be in all but this will never become a new birth 2. Then this work being the same with Regeneration and Sanctification as we saw above every man must fall into an ecstasie and become no man as to any operation before he be converted 3. Then and this is the maine thing here considerable Every Quaker at every time he cometh to worshipe God solemnely it is of this he knoweth that we are now speaking must have this change wrought in him for it is to this end that he must retire within him self and be abstracted from all his Operations that he may be in case to worshipe But then observe what will follow Quakers before they come to worshipe are unregenerated without the holy birth and as oft as they come to worshipe they must be regenerated and get this divine aire to ferment their spirits But how agreeth this with the state of Perfection he talked of one degree whereof was they were able not to sin and the other wherein they could not sin I suppose man even a Quaker is in case to sin cannot but sin till he be regenerated Where is this man now I see though persons dreaming see not the inconsistency and repugnancy of their dreames persons awake will see and smile at fancies hanging together like ropes of sand 15. He denieth Pag. 237. § 11. That we can waite upon God in prayer preaching For saith he waiting rather denoteth a passive dependance than any action Answ. I confess his waiting is a very passive thing and inconsistent with any action of Soul or Body but we are waiting for proof of such a waiting as he talks of We know Prayer and Preaching is one thing and waiting on God by Faith Patience and Hope in these duties is another thing And if he think these inconsistent he knoweth neither Religion nor Scripture To pray and preach saith he by the Spirit presupposeth this silent waiting that the motions leading unto these might be felt Answ. This is the thing that is under debate How can the godly pray for the motions leadings of the Spirit if they must first feel them and have them before they pray for them Or must they not pray that prayer at all But the mo●ions of the Spirit they pray for are not these they have but others fitting them for other duties he will say I answ The saints even pray for the Spirit to teach them to pray But he will say They must have the motion of the Spirit for the first prayer or it will not be accepted Answ. They may have it and yet not feel it and so these motions are not their Rule The Law of God is the Rule and what is not done in obedience to a Command is no Obedience for obedience respecteth a command And thus the Quakers destroy all Obedience If they cannot Pray nor Preach without a previous impulse of the Spirit how can they waite without such a previous motion Waiting sure is a commanded duty as well as Prayer and cannot be performed without the Spirit aright and acceptably more then Prayer And if they cannot waite without the previous motion of the Spirit how shall they waite for that previous motion to wait I see not how this man can loose this knot 16. But he proveth that this silence is a special and principal part of divine worshipe and that necessarly though he told us before Pag. 23● that worship did not consist in silence as silence because in many places where prayer is commanded as Mat 26 41. Mark 13 33. Luk. 21 26. 1 Pet. 4 7. watching is prescribed as previous and preparatory Answ. But how proveth he that that Watching is the silence and waiting he speaketh of That Watching is not a turning inward but a looking outward also and a looking to all hands from whence temptations can come It is a Watching joyned with Prayer and a Christian Vigilancy and Circumspection taking in the lively exercise of all graces and is accompanied with all Christian duties as was cleared above so far is it from having any affinity with his mute Mumry 17. The more to enforce this Silence he tels us Pag. 238 § 12. that it hath this excellency that nothing else hath to wit It is impossible for the devil to simulate it and therefore no soul in this exercise can be deceived by him This is wonderful if true but how proveth he it I would be afrayed that when a Man hath laid aside not only his Senses outward and inward but his very Rational Judgment Intellect all that he hath as a man or as a Christian the Devil should then most play master and I am not sure but it is so with them Let us therefore heare his reason The devil can only work in and by a natural man I had thought that he could also work in a Spiritual man as in Peter when the Lord said to him get thee behinde me Satan or else he must say that Peter was then but a carnal man And what was the messenger of Satan that buffeted Paul 2 Cor. 12. what more Therefore saith he where the natural man is silent he that is the Devil must stand But why must he stand off when the natural man is silent and how proveth he that there is nothing of a natural man acting in this silence When the soul saith he is come to this silence and as to its owne operations brought as it were to nothing then the devil is excluded How is this confirmed for he cannot endure the pure presence of God then ariseing and the clearness of his light saith he But we doubt if the pure presence of God then arise or such a light as shall quite banish the Devil away This is the maine thing to be confirmed nay the sequel proveth to us that all this presence and light is but of the Devils owne making how that shall banish him away I know not But moreover though it were granted that this were the pure presence of God and a light that the Devil could not stand before but behoved to flee from seven wayes yet he might stay until that light appeared and according to this mans owne doctrine this cannot be until the seed get room to arise and become an holy birth and this is not alwayes at the
acts of worship by Immediat Inspirations and Enthusiastical motions of the Spirit and the unlawfulness of entering upon Worshipe at what time in what place and upon what occasion so ever or continueing in it without these Previous Physical and Immediat Inspirations Impulses and Enthusiastical Motions but we shall see some other things spoken to and more insisted upon by him and but little spoken to this which mainly called for proof 2. However we must see what he says leaving his preamble wherein according to his usual manner he layeth an imputation on the Reformed Churches as keeping still the root of false worshipe when they cut off the branches of Romish worshipe We shall consider what he sayes for clearing of the Quakers way first he tels us Pag. 222. § 2. That he speaketh here of worship now under the Gospel not as requisite under the Law Yet I suppose he is speaking of worshipe as a moral duty or in reference to what is moral or natural which hath place in all ages of the Church and of what is essentially and necessarily requisite to all moral worship for he saith here expresly that the ceremonies under the Law were not essential to true worshipe nor necessary of themselves I suppose also he should speak of Institute Worshipe under the Gospel but all that is by the Quakers rejected and denied as we shall hear He tels us next § 3. That they do not condemne all prescribed times and places for worshipe for they have such But may I not ask whether they assemble at these times and in these places by the Immediat Acting Motion and Impulse of the Spirit or not It seemeth not but when they are assembled they must waite for these motions But is not that a limiteing of the Spirit as if he could not Act Move to publick worshipe at other times in other places And is not the time of their abode together at these several occasiones limited also 3. What do they then condemne They condemne our having a Preacher to preach excludeing others But the lawfulness of this we evinced above Next they are not satisfied that these ministers come not to meet with the Lord. Neither am I. and attend not unto his inward motions and operations Nor am I satisfied with this Nor pray not preach not as the Spirit moveth and breatheth in them and giveth utterance What if I say that I am not satisfied with this either more then they But the mystery of the business is They acknowledge no Motion or inward Breathing of the Spirit but what is Extraordinary and meerly Enthusiastick without all previous study or preparation and abstract from all meanes as if the Lord could not move and operate in and by the meanes and could not help a minister who had studied his sermon by his breathing and inward assistance to preach the Gospel and give utterance and helpe to the carrying on of the work to edification This is to oppose the Spirit of God and his motions to all meanes of his owne appointment condemneth all study and meditation on the Scriptures taketh away all paines and laboure for abilities and putteth men upon a sure way of tempting of God and of inviteing the devil to deceive and delude as was shown above 4. That nothing may be wanting to compleat their Systeme of errour they proclame all dayes alike and so reject the Lords day our Christian Sabbath concerning which if this man have any minde to dispute on that head I will wait his Answer to what I have said on it elsewhere What he saith Pag. 225. § 5. of their charitie towards many living in Popery is no very great business seing he will grant as much to Pagans notwithstanding of their palpable and manifest Idolatry and Heathenisme But why will he not give us charity too 5. He cometh more home to the business Pag. 226. § 6. and tels us that when they assemble every ones work is to attend on God to goe out of their own thoughts and imaginations or rather to thrust these away to feel Gods presence and in his name to acknowledge that assembly where He is in the midst according to his promise And where every one is thus assembled in Spirit as well as in body the secret power and vertue of life is known to refresh the soul and they feel pure motions and breathings of the Spirit of God flowing from which issue words of declaration prayer and praise and thus acceptable worshipe is performed by which the Church is edified and God is pleased yea though not one word be spoken or heard outwardly yet true spiritual ●orship is performed and the Church is edified Answ. This is a short account of their manner of worship which in his following discourse he largely laboureth to explicat and vindicate I shall only propose these few exceptions against it 1. Spiritual worshipe which only is acceptable with God who is a Spirit and will be worshiped in spirit and truth being a matter of no small difficulty for sinners to get performed aright would require some preparation before hand that the heart might be put in some frame for such an high and noble work being made sensible of its distance from and unsuteableness for approching unto such an holy and spiritual God and of the necessity of some impression of that divine Majesty with whom they have to do and of divine help for the right discharge of that duty now I finde no mention made by them of any such thing or of the necessity of wrestling with God in private for a right frame of Spirit in going about that work and for the assistence of his grace and Spirit in the discharge of it and for his blessing upon it It seemeth their heart is alway in a like good frame and they are alwayes in case for this solemne addresse unto God or they come together to get preparation and all from the inward motions without which nothing must de done 2. When the members of the Church are assembled and publick worshipe to beginne Nature it self would teach that there should be a solemne address made unto God by Prayer acknowledging their unworthiness of such an honour and favour their unfitness for such a solemne work their necessity of his divine help and assistance therein and his blessing thereupon that He may be glorified and they edified but here no such thing appeareth no invocating of the great God no supplication made to him no prostrating of themselves in prayer before him at the entry of their work can this then be accounted an assembling for the solemne Adoration Worshiping and Invocation of God 3. No word is there here in all their Assemblies of the Scriptures as the Law of God which should be read interpreted and applyed for the Instruction Reproof Consolation and Edification of the people No as the Scriptures are no rule to them in their walk so nor are they any rule to them in their
worship as their worship is not grounded upon the Scriptures So nor have the Scriptures any place in their worshipe contrare to the practice of Christ and his Apostles Luk 4 vers 16. 21. Act. 17 2 3. 8 vers 4 25 35. 9 vers 22. 10 43. 13 5 15 16. c. 33 34 35 36 37 40 41. 18 28. 4. Though there be no approaching now for sinners unto God but in and through a Mediator and all our service and worshipe must be performed in him through him Col. 3 17. Eph. 2 18. Ioh. 14 6. 1 Tim. 2 5. Ioh. 14 13 14. 1 Pet. 2 5. Yet I hear nothing of Jesus Christ in all their worshipe It can therefore be no Gospel Worshipe which they goe about for as all that must be in the name of Jesus the Mediator as having his warrand so it must be offered to the Lord through him Hence 5 all their Solemne Worshipe is nothing else then may be gone about by Pagans and Heathens that never heard of Christ for there is no Gospel Worshipe no Gospel Duty no Gospel Ordinance to be found in all their most solemne service neither Preaching nor Prayer nor Praise nor Administration of sacraments nor any Duty instituted in the Gospel 6. Nay in this they seem to come short of the orderly devotion that is exercised by some Heathens who have their Priests publick Officers to carry on their worshipe with a piece of order and solemnity But they know no such thing their worshipe we see is carryed on without the orderly leading and foregoing of any Person peculiarly designed thereunto unto 7. They speak of going out from their owne thoughts or of expelling them and it is convenient and ne●essary I confess that all carnal and worldly thoughts be laid aside when we are to approach unto the great and living God for our minds ought then wholly to be abstracted from all Impediments and taken up alone with God But how comprehensive their own thoughts may be I know not and whether he may not meane a laying aside of all use of Reason and Humanity that so they may be fitter receptacles of the In workings of Satan and of the Impressions of his delusions we may possibly heare something hereafter which may give ground for this supposal 8. He tels us that when t●ey are thus conveened they meet with a secret vertue and power of life refreshing their souls c. But is this common and ordinary to them all and is it so at all times Then they are all and that alwayes while about the worshipe of God in a good frame and the Spirit who bloweth where and when he listeth never withdraweth from them but is alwayes present in Love and in Power But what is this Life that hath such Power and Vertue If we call to minde the principles of the Quakers formerly considered and examined we will finde that it is not the true and real Grace of God bestowed upon them through Jesus Christ and wrought in them by his Spirit but the mere Operation and Product of nature and therefore all the refreshing of soul that they feel thereby must be but Natural and Carnal how sensible so ever it may be 9. He talks of Motions Respirations of the Spirit of God which flow forth but whence flow they From their owne Spirits or from that refreshing of soul or from the power and vertue of that life he spoke of But the chiefe thing I would have noticed here is How shall we know or how do they know that these Motions and Breathings are the motions and breathings of the Spirit of God The reason of the enquiry is because they have laid aside the Scripture the only sure teste for tryal of Spirits and of the motions of Spirits and not only so but they are now gone out of themselves and are no more Men having laid aside Humanity all the Cogitations Imaginations of Men How shall they how can they or any other know whether these motions be motions of the Spirit of God or of the Spirit of darkness Cannot Satan play his game in persons thus prepared for and laid open unto his workings and insinuations Hath he not thus wrought in many who thus gave up themselves unto his Power and Delusions 10. when these who are thus acted and moved by a Spirit blake or white utter words of declaration prayer or praise how shall it be known that these words are words of truth and righteousness It seemeth all is good coine that cometh that way and no doubt is to be made thereof no examination or tryal is to be made all is to be received by an implicite faith and sure if these Declarations Prayer Praises be suteable to and corresponding with their Doctrine and Principles we have ground to think that they are such as no Christian can with a good conscience receive or joyn with and though he think that what is so spoken is delivered in the evidence and demonstration of the Spirit and of power yet if we judge by the Scriptures of truth we must say that it is rather in the evidence demonstration of the Devil 11. When one is so moved and speaketh what do the rest Must they attend thereunto and joyn there with But what if they be at that very instant prompted by what is within them to utter words of declaration prayer or praise and this is not impossible must they all speak together where is then order and edification or must they be silent and listen to what the other speaketh till he have done How will he salve this from a limiting of the Spirit But next can the rest hearken and joyne without an inward motion thereunto If so then that part of worshipe is performed by them without the previous inward motion of the Spirit Or must the rest waite for their proper and particular motions then there is no publick worshipe performed by the Assembly 12. But as to that mumry and dumb service when nothing is uttered how can that be call●d a Publick Worshipe of God what publick worshipe is there and then performed by the Assembly and where doth he read of any such Publick Worshipe performed unto God in all the Old or New Testam How differeth this from the dumb service of some Heathens performed to their Idols And what mutual edification is there had hereby He tels us it is true that even then their souls are exceedingly satiated But where with or whereby Not by any publick exhortation prayer or praises for there are none that which is not cannot edifie He tels us also that their hearts are wonderfully replenished with the secret sense of the divine power and Spirit But how is this brought about This power sayes he is transmitted without words from vessel to vessel Sure this is no usual way of the Lord 's working and why should he imagine in this case a transmission from vessel to
by ordinary gifts studied and acquired through the ordinary assistance of the Spirit who hath distributed these in their several measures as he hath thought good to some more and to others less and thus the Church hath been preserved and souls have been converted But never that we hear of by Enthusiastick persons or persons pret●nding Revelations af●er Introversions of many souls perverted with such like pretensions we have Instances in too great abundance The whole worshipers of Mahomet are one great instance many there are also in Popery the Followers of Iohn of Leyden David George Swenckfeldus and the like in Germany may serve for a third Instance And our Quakers come in for a fourth for boast they as they will of their converts their converts and proselytes are not made Christians but perverted from Christianity to Paganisme It cometh to passe sayes he next oftentimes that God regairding the Integrity of Preachers or hearers touched by his power the heart of the Preacher and lead him to speak that which he had not premeditated and these became more profitable than what was premeditated Answ. If he will take these for Revelations and Inspirations severals of our Ministers can pretend to them and what hath he then to say Is all his gall spit out against premeditation But hath he never heard that premeditated sermons have been blessed also But for all this he holdeth fast his conclusion that these preachings are not approven but contrary to the primitive practice And what remedy But how hath he proven his practice Not one instance hath he brought for that nor can he bring nor precept either And I doubt if ever such an Introversion as he formerly spoke of was heard of in all the Christian world till the Introverted Seck of the Quakers arose except what was among some Papists as we heard above CHAP. XXIV Of Prayer 1. WE have heard what for Preaching the Quakers owne and practise in their publick Worship and what he had to say against our practice in that we come next to hear their judgment of Prayer another necessary piece of solemne service performed unto God immediatly for He is therein and thereby solemnely acknowledged to be the true God and the only living God the searcher of hearts 1 King 8 39. Act. 1 24. Rom. 8 27. and the only hearer of the requests of his people Psal. 65 2. Pardoner of the sinnes Micah 7 18. and the fulfiller of all their desires Psal 145 18 19. As also that He is God in whom alone we ought to believe and on whom we ought to relye and depend Rom. 10 14. and is to be worshiped with religious worshipe and service Mat. 4 10. Whereof prayer is a special part 1 Cor. 1 2. Yea the very light of nature sheweth that there is a God who hath Lordshipe and Soveraignity over all is good doth good unto all and is therefore to be Feared Loved Praised Trusted in Served and Called unto with all the soul and with all the might Rom. 1 20. Act. 17 24. Psal. 119 78. Ier. 10.7 Psal 31 13. 18 3. 62 8. Rom. 10 12. Iosh. 24 14. Mark 12 33. And therefore Prayer with Thanksgiving being one special part of religious Worshipe Phil 4 6. is to be performed by all men Psal. 65 2 The light then within teaching this piece of service to be performed unto God it is but consequential to think that Quakers who owne nothing for their Bible and Teacher but that should not be wholly against this duty yet though they do not directly deny and condemne the same they do assert that which in effect is to deny it and to lay it aside for as if it were no duty required by the law of Nature of all persons they cut many off from it as we shall hear And as for that which is a principal and necessary Ingredient in this duty to wit the name of Christ in which it ought to be gone about if acceptably done Ioh. 14 13 14. 16 26. Dan. 9 14. they make little mention of this though such be our distance from God because of sin that we can have no accesse to him without a Mediator Ioh. 14 6. Esai 59 2. Ephes. 3 12 And Christ Jesus be that only Mediator Ioh. 6 27. Heb. 7 25 26 27. 1 Tim. 2 5. and therefore all our prayers can be accepted only through him and must be performed in his name Col. 3 17. Heb. 13 15. for from him alone must we draw all our encouragement to pray and our boldness strength and hope of acceptance in Prayer Heb. 4 14 15 16. 1 Ioh. 5 13 14 15. And moreover they assert that as necessarily antecedaneous unto the performance of this duty which tendeth to the laying of it wholly aside to wit a waiting for the Impulses of the Spirit hence they inveigh against Prayer whether in private or in families morning and evening or other fit and convenient seasons and will not fixedly seek a blessing from God at receiving of meate nor give God solemne thanks therefore yea and in their Publick Worshipe this hath no fixed place but may be and oft is quite laid aside and alwayes unless the Spirit come with his Inspirations and Impulses calling and prompting them thereunto 2. Let us hear this Quaker speak his minde on this subject His discourse is ushered-in with an untruth for he saith That our whole Religion is for the most part external and the acts thereof are meerly produced by the strength of the natural will for we can pray when we please Ans. we acknowledge that true Religion is principally seated in the heart but while we are speaking of solemne worshipe the Religion of the heart ought to appear in solemne exercises prescribed by God we owne no actions of Religion as acceptable to God which are produced without grace in the heart or by the meer strength of nature Prayer being a duty called for at all occasions and seasons and in all exigences we ought alwayes to be in a frame fit for offering up this service unto God in the name of Jesus and by the helpe and assistance of his Spirit and especially in our solemne worshiping of God as for what he addeth of certain and prescribed prayers or formes of prayer he knoweth they are not owned nor approven by all But he saith that we all agree in this that the motions and inspirations of the Spirit of God are not necessarily previous thereunto Wherein he is either ignorantly or maliciously mistaken for he might see in our larger Catechisme the 182. Question How doth the Spirit help us to pray answered thus We not knowing what to pray for as we ought the Spirit helpeth our infirmities by enabling us to understand both for whom and what and how prayer is to be made and by working and quickening in our hearts although not in all persons nor at all times in the same measure those apprehensions and affections and graces which are
This is Quakerisme indeed 13. What he addeth Pag. 256. § 23. of some turning superstitious some idolatrous and others formal upon this account if he meane it of all that oppose him and contradict his opinion I look upon it as a groundless calumny if he meane it only of some I have no minde to defend them in it Nor shall I need to retaliat and say that their leaning to these false Inspirations and diabolick Excitations having forsaken the good old way are direct meanes through the judgment of God to confirme them in their Paganisme and Paganish Antichristianisme for the matter is notoure enough though I mention none of their other miscarriages even after their Enthusiasmes wicked Inspirations and Introversions 14 Before he come to answer Objections he speaketh Pag. 25● § 24. to the defence of their irreligious profane and contemptuous carriage in our Assemblies for worshipe where they love to come to do open affront both ●o God and men for even in time of prayer or praise they will remaine covered He saith they do this only to keep their conscience unhurt But if there were such hazard of sin in joyning with us in our worshipe why come they to the place of Worshipe Their end can be nothing else but to do open contempt if they beleeve as he saith that our worshipe is an abomination they should keep far aback from it But the truth is their Antichristian Spirit which acteth them to an hight of rage will not suffer them to see Christ worshiped in his way And how knoweth he that our ministers pray alwayes without the Spirit Hath he the gift of discerning Spirits And can he go in to the heart and see how maters stand there We profess that we pray without the Spirit and have therefore our limited times sayes he But he is a liar we say no such thing The gift and the grace of Prayer both is of the Spirit and though it too often falleth out that there is not that faith in dependance on the Spirit that there ought to be both for the gift and for the grace yet it is not our profession that prayer should be without the Spirit and this praying with the Spirit can well consist with praying at such and such times But that Spirit without which we say we pray is your Spirit of delusion or your fantastical Dreames Impulses Drawings and Inspirations which for any thing we can see are diabolical But it seemeth they have a sagacious Spirit of discerning when one prayeth in the Spirit and when not for he sayes though one in our presence should beginne to pray not expecting the Spirit yet if it appeared that the Spirit of the Lord concurred with him we would also joyn And what is that I pray that will make this manifest unto them Is it talking in the Quakers dialect Or the Mimical posture of the body Or what is it I am apt to beleeve it must only be something of that nature As for Alexander Skeins Propositions I meddle not with them because some other hath answered them and the substance of them I have already confuted 15. He cometh after this digression to examine Objections Pag. 260. § 25. And the first is this If such inward motions and impulses be necessary to Outward acts o● worshipe why not also to Inward Nay much more they must be necessary for the special motions of the Spirit are more necessary unto the grace of prayer than unto the gift and in the outward exercises of worshipe there is more of a gift required than in inward What answereth he Vnto these general duties the motion and influence of the Spirit dureing the day of visitation is alwayes present striveing with the man so that if he but stand and be abstracted from his evil thoughts God is near to help him But external actions stand in need of greater and more particular influences Ans. Not to insist here on the confutation of the marrow of Pelagianisme which is laid downe for his ground tha● being done sufficiently above I only take notice here that with our Pelagian Quakers an Heathen or a Pagan can love God with all his heart adore fear believe in him and performe all inward worshipe of this kinde easily when he will he hath divine influences at his command nay the Spirit is within already for that end so that if he will but sist his course and abstract from his evil thoughts which he may very easily do God is at his hand and the work will go on but as to uttering of words much more is requisite that is if I be not far mistaken Nature can help him to perform ●ll Inward worshipe but he must have the supervenient Influence of an evil Spirit to act him before he performe any publick act of worshipe Such an enemie is this Spirit that acteth the Quakers unto all Publick profession of the name of Jesus and worshiping of him openly that he will never suffer any thing that looketh there away to be done until he have his hand so in it that he shall be sure it shall be more worshipe service to himself than to Christ 16. It is Objected againe That by this principle no man should do a morall duty as honour his parents do justice to his neighbours plow the land until the Spirit move him for no service else can be accepted He answereth There is a difference betwixt those general duties and particular acts of worshipe These are spiritual and are commanded to be done by the Spirit Those some way answere their end as to them whom they immediatly concerne though they proceed from a meer natural principle of self love Ans. Who denieth that there is a difference betwixt them yet each of them must be performed in the right manner else they are not acceptable and the right manner cannot be without the Spirit This he confesseth And therefore must yeeld the argument And we deny that worshipe is to be done in the Spirit according to his sense and no other way that is only by the immediat Inspirations and Im●ulses and Drawings of the Spirit we affirme worshipe ought to be performed in the Spirit that is by his gracious Assistance graceing the soul and breathing on his graces that they may act seasonably But sayes he further As a natural Spirit is required to performe natural acts so the Spirit of God is requisite to the performance of Spiritual acts All is granted yet he knoweth that to performe natural acts in a spiritual manner the Spirit of God is requisite and if natural acts be not performed in a spiritual manner they are not accepted of God and therefore according to his principles we must not eat drink sleep walk work plow c. till the Spirit stirre us up immediatly and carry us to the duty because without this previous motion of the Spirit we will but commit abomination in all these actions as well as in worshiping without the Spirit So
in their Worshipe 420 16. God is speaking in every man therefore they should be silent hear that the good seed may arise 422 17. In this silence they must lay aside all sense fear of sin thoughts of death of hell of judgment and of glory prayers all religious exercises 422 18. Thus they must be abstracted from all operations imaginations ejaculations of soul 422 19. And then the little seed planted in every man getteth room to arise becometh an holy birth that Divine aire is it with which mans spirit is fermented then they become fit to hear his voice 423 20. While they are thus Introverted they cannot be deceived 424 21. For the Devil cannot simulate this Introversion nor work there for he is excluded worketh only in Natural men 424 22. When they once introvert they are in a castle they feel themselves to be without the Devils reach 425 23. Hereby they keep communion with other when scattered asunder 425 24. Before they speak or preach they must Introvert consult the dim thing within 441 25. They must be acted moved by Immediat impulses extraordinary motions of a Spirit 443 444 450 452 37. Of Preaching 1. They are against our way of preaching from a text of Scripture 437 38. Of Prayer 1. They are against praying morning evening before after sermon before and after meat 450 451 2. Their inward prayer is an Introversion of the soul 453 454 3. They speak of praying outwardly under a degustation which is neither publick nor private prayer 455 4. They speak of ejaculatory prayers made to mans self 455 5. No publick prayer without Introversion 455 6. Beside Introversion there must be an immediat inspiration calling prompting to prayer or else we must not pray 455 7. They say that praying to God without the feeling of the Influences of the Spirit is a tempting of God 456 8. Men say they must introvert to that place where they may feel that whereby they may be led to prayer 457 462 9. Watching is only the souls attending on the Spirit that it may feel him leading to pray 457 10. To command men to pray without the Spirit is to command them to see without eyes 459 11. They say we pray without the Spirit because we have our limited times 460 12. They say the wicked sometime have the influences of the Spirit to pray and then they may pray acceptably 462 463 39. Of Singing Psalmes 1. They are against our way of singing of Psalmes 463 2. Alledging that thereby ofttimes abominable lies are uttered to God 464 3. And that we Immediatly thereafter in prayer confesse ourselves guilty of the same sins for redemption from which we have given praise 464 40. Of the Sacraments 1. They think if the word Sacrament were laid aside all controversie about the Sacraments would cease 468 2. They think the definition of a Sacrament can agree to many other things 468 41. Of Baptisme 1. They are against baptisme 465 2. They say there is but one sort of baptisme 469 3. They make the outward Element and the inward Grace two baptismes 469 4. Washing of water is not Christ's baptisme with them 471 5. They owne no baptisme but the baptisme of the Spirit 471 6. They deny all baptisme but what is with the H. Ghost with fire 545 7. They would have the ordinance of baptisme wholly laid aside 473 475 8. They say the ark was a type of Baptisme 473 9. And that Johns baptisme was a figure of Christ's baptisme 474 10. Baptisme with water is with them a figure of baptisme with the Spirit 474 11. Washing with water in baptisme is contrary to Christian Religion 475 12. Christ did not warrand his Disciples to baptize 475 13. Washing under the Law and our baptisme are the same 476 14. They reckon baptisme among Jewish ceremonies rites 477 15. They condemne our baptizing in the Name of the Father Son H. Ghost 479 16. They say the Apostles baptised by permission not by Commission 480 17. They say the Apostles mistook Christ's spiritual baptisme took it for Johns water baptisme 480 18. Baptisme with water say they was in use among the Jewes before Johns dayes 481 19. Water baptisme say they is but formal imitation the invention of man and a meer delusion 545 20. In contempt hereof they say outward water cannot wash the soul 550 42. Of the Lords Supper 1. They deny the Lord's Supper to be an Institution of Christ 482 c. 2. Instead of this Ordinance they profanely substitute their ordinary repasts 486 3. To their ordinary repasts they profanely apply the ends of this Ordinance 486 4. The body which they eat blood which they drink is the celestial seed the Divine substance the Vehicle or spiritual body of Christ 486 5. To this spiritual imaginary body of Christ they apply all that is said of Christ's body Iohn 6. 487 6. They say this spiritual seed as it getteth room to rise up in the heart is bread to the hungry and thereby the soul is revived 487 7. They enjoy this breed by beleeving in the manifestation of this light 487 8. They say the Supper of the Lord is truely possessed when the soul introverts c. 489 9. They say beleevers enjoy this at all times especially when they meet together to waite on God 489 10. They say Christ only took occasion from the bread wine to tell his disciples that as these nourished their bodies so His body and blood should nourish their souls And so did institute no Sacrament and this is the only meaning of these words This is my body c. 492 11. They call it a bare ceremonie 492 12. They will have Paul 1 Cor. 11 27. only to say that if they would needs performe this ceremonie they should do it worthily 493 13. With them do this in remembrance of me saith no more but that seing this was to be the last occasion of his eating with them they should look to him that by commemoration of that occasion by his passions death they should be stirred up to follow him 495 14. They call the practising of it a Jewish ceremonie 496 15. They think the wine was meerly accidental 496 16. They reckon the bread wine in the Lords Supper among the things of the earth Col. 3. 499 17. They say we have this Ordinance from the Pope 545 18. They say He whose death we are to remember till he come is the word prayer 545 43. Of Ministers Maintenance 1. They are against the fixed maintenance of Ministers and will only have their necessities supplied if need be 401 2. They will have no limited maintenance 401 3. They will not have people compelled to give any maintenance 407 4. Ministers say they must seek nothing by Law 407 408 4. They say it is a carnal Ministrie that must have maintenance 410 44. Of Magistrats 1.
unto life because it hath no place in his writings 14. The like 10. may we say of the work of Grace and of Sanctification of which his account is so darke and enigmatical that it is far from an holding forth of pure and naked Truth And how cometh it that he is so silent in explaining to us the nature of Faith in Jesus Christ and of its Actings and of Repentance unto life and of our Communion with the Father and his Son through Faith do not these appertain to that knowledge of God which is Eternal Life What shall we then think of this Gospel which He taketh upon him to be a publisher of 15. In the next place 11. To speak nothing of the law of God in obedience whereunto with a right frame of Spirit consisteth true Sanctification and that Obedience which is a real mark of true Love to God and so must be necessarily known to the end we may come to the possession of Eternal life whereof notwithstanding he not only giveth no plaine or naked account but also with the rest of the Quakers layeth downe grounds destroying all obedience to the law of God as we shall heare How cometh it that in all his explication of the true nature and original of that knowledge which leadeth unto life whether in his Theses or Apologie we have no account given to us of that Eternal life which we are to aime at and intend as our last end nor yet of its opposite Eternal Death and Hell whereby we might come to know some thing of the nature worth and necessity of Glory 16. Yet once more 12. I would aske why it is that in his Theses he giveth us no account of the Resurrection of the Body nor of the last Judgment He cannot say that the knowledge and faith of these particulars are not necessary unless he be of the same opinion with other Quakers who either speak dubiously thereof or do down right deny it Mr. Hicks sheweth us in his Book called The Quakers appeal answered Pag 21. that one Whitehead asserted in the hearing of many witnesses that this body shall not rise againe and that Will. Pen in his Book intituled Reas. against Rail Pag. 133. saith That it is inconsistent with Scripture Reason and the beliefe of all Men right in their wits And Pag. 134. that the absurdity of the Transubstantiation is rather outdone than equalled by this carnal Resurrection And that Pag. 138. he called it a Barbarous conceit Shall I think that this our Apologizer is of the same minde If not it concerneth him to speak more positively thereunto for his silence will go for an approbation of what his party speak expresly and further as concerning the last Judgment we may suppose that such as look on the Resurrection of the dead as a figment will give no place in their creed unto the doctrine of Christs coming againe to judge quick and dead and indeed I finde in the second Dialogue of Mr. Hicks Pag 42 43 that Whitehead in his Christ ascend Pag. 18 20 21 69. denyeth That Christ hath a personal being at the Right-hand of God without all men And Pag. 2● that he denyeth That he shall come visibly againe saying that they are like to be deceived who are expecting that Christs second comeing will be a personal comeing And I finde G. Keith in his Immediat Revel Pag. 77. applying the second or next comeing againe of Christ mentioned by Iames Cap. 5 7 8. by Paul Heb. 9.28 and by Peter 1 Pet 1 13. to Christs revelation when he shall appeare in us glorified who before was crucified in weakness yet now raised in power and living by the power of God and raising us up together with him setting us in heavenly places in him Whereby he cannot but meane a second coming againe of Christ which is already past and nothing else 17. By these particulars several others which might be added every one may judge what a delineation of that knowledge which leadeth to Salvation this confident man will give us in these his Theses when so many so important and so necessary and essential parts of our Christian faith are not once by him mentioned or asserted let be cleared up or explained but rather tacitely or expresly rejected and condemned We may also judge what that knowledge of God wherein is life eternal is which he shall pointe forth to us in his Theses when so many things so manifestly belonging to true divine and saving knowledge are if not denied yet waved by him as not necessary to be known and believed Hereby also we see ground to suspect that Original and Foundation of knowledge which he followeth and would propose to our understanding faith in the two next following Theses for either that must be a false Original and rotten Ground of saving knowledge or he is yet a stranger to the true and genuine Knowledge thereof otherwise he should be in case to give us a more distinct faithful account of these and such like particulars which are so necessary to be known and believed 18. I Shall readily grant that it is very necessary and usefull to know what is the true ground and original out of which we are to draw that knowledge of God and of his wayes which is necessary for us to know and believe in order to the obtaining of that felicity which consisteth in and is had further by the knowledge of God in Christ not only because many are ready to drink-in false Notions and Principles as he sayeth but very obscurely and indistinctly in his Apology Pag. 1. and 2. of God and of his Truth to hold fast what they have so through Ignorance Misinformation and Prejudice imbibed but especially because so many Pretenders to high and great matters as he and his like are ready to imbrace a Shadow for a Substance and take a suggestion of Satan the Father of lies or a dream of their own braines or a lying Vision of the Prince of the powers of the aire for Revelations and Manifestations of the God of Truth and the Motions of their own corrupt minds enlightned with the wildfire of their owne fancies or the fire flaughts of the God of this World for the Motions of the ●pirit of God That such things have been and may be himself dar not deny and if he should deny it sad experience of the fantastick Enthusiasts and false Teachers which every age hath produced will put it beyond all denyal as also the Idolatry and Superstition of so many Nations and People as himself affirmeth Pag. 2. which were a clear evidence of the false and fictious Opinions and Apprehensions which they had of God and a fruite of the false Divinations and pretended Revelations which they trusted to And therefore with good warrand and with his own approbation I shall say That it is a most dangerous thing to lay a wrong foundation of Knowledge and to draw the same out of
a corrupt Original and that we ought to be sure that the Ground and Original of our Knowledge be such as we may saifly trust to and build upon But whether the Original which He and other Quakers do follow and which he would prescribe unto us be the true and genuine Original and Ground of saving Knowledge he must allow us liberty seing the danger here is great as himself confesseth and such as enter not by the door are Theevs and Robbers to examine and to try whether the Ground he holdeth forth be Saife or the Ground we build upon be not Sufficient CHAP. III. Of inward and immediat Revelations 1. The maine scope of his second Thesis which is concerning Inward and Immediat Revelations is to give us the true and genuine understanding of the right original and fundation of Knowledge So that this Thesis must point out unto us this Original and Ground of true and saving Knowledge and by the title which he hath prefixed unto this Thesis we learne that his opinion is that Inward and Immediat Revelation is the only right Original and Foundation of Knowledge and this Inward and Immediat Revelation is given us in place of the holy Scriptures as his adjoining the third Thesis concerning the Scriptures and what he saith of them therein make manifest 2. We should now come to the examination of what he saith of this Inward and Immediat Revelation but in the entry of his explication of this Thesis in his Apology Pag 4. we are staved off by a hudge Preoccupation and meet with a dangerous Dilemma for either we must give our assent unto what he saith in this Thesis or bear the stigma and blake mark of Carnal and Natural Christians ignorant of the motions and operations of the Spirit of God in our hearts But perceiving an open way of escapeing from betwixt the hornes of his dilemma and waving his uncharitable censure of such as oppose him as being not only strangers to these motions of the Spirit in their hearts but as accounting them no way necessary yea as mocking them as foolish and ridiculous and much more to this purpose wherein as he manifesteth what Spirit he is of and with what Spirit he is led so he bewrayeth much ignorance of the minde and assertions of his Opposites which would be both endless and unprofitable for me once to take any notice of let be to answere seing a simple contempt of his Calumnies is sufficient Waveing I say these his impertinencies as the native fruite of his imbittered Spirit against all that do not applaud his wilde Notions I shall tell him that I cordially give my assent unto that of Paul Rom. 8 9 14. now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his For as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the Sones of God And I know no Christian whether Private Person or Doctor Minister or Divine that will not homologate with me in this howbeit he flander us as not only denying this but also as contradicting it 3. But he would hence deduce that no Knowledge of God can be acquired without a Divine and Immediat Revelation and for this cause he distinguisheth betwixt a Certane and an Vncertane a Spiritual and a Literal a Saving and an Empty Aery and Brainy Knowledge of God and sayeth the One can be many wayes acquired but the Other not without an Inward and Immediate Manifestation of the Spirit of God shineing in the heart and enlightening the understanding By which we see what Darkness and Confusion occupieth this mans minde and how either through blinde Ignorance or wicked Prevarication he laboureth to pervert the true state of the Question and leadeth his Readers into the same ditch of Ignorance and Prejudice wherein himself is fallen If he cannot we know how to distinguish betwixt the Spirits Inward and Immediat Revealing and making known the minde of God as he did of old unto the Prophets and Apostles whether by Dreames Visions Vive voice or inward efficacious Inspirations and the Spirits gracious In-working and Impressing the Truthes other wayes revealed and made known mediatly upon the soul of a man giving him through the spiritual Illumination of his minde and the gracious and effectual Moving of his heart grace to See to Imbrace and to Close with and savingly Improve the Truths revealed These things which are most manifestly distinct clearly different he is pleased either out of meer Ignorance or our of Designe all alongs to jumble together and confound that he might the more darken the Reader and prejudge him both of the right state of the Question and at the orthodox truth which he maliciously misrepresenteth The difference betwixt these two Operations of the Spirit without running forth here into a tedious and unnecessary digression for the clear information of the Reader and for preventing our further labour afterward we shall thus make plaine and manifest The first Operation of the Spirit mentioned is that which he the rest of the Quakers endeavoure to assert plead for in prejudice of the Scriptures which now to us under the New Testam supplieth richly and with advantage the want of the Immediat and Extraordinary Revelations of the minde and will of God concerning duty whether as to Faith or Practice by which the Lord was pleased formerly after diverse manners and wayes to make the same known The other which we assert and maintaine is an Efficient and not Objective Revelation and confirmeth the authority and truth of the Objective Revelation of the minde of God both touching Faith and Manners and so reserveth to the Scriptures their due place as our compleet Objective Canon and Rule and confirmeth them therein bringing home with power and saving grace upon the heart the Truths therein revealed and casting the soul into the mould of these saving Truths The One which they plead for taketh away all the use of the letter of the Scriptures all the study thereof or all the paines to be used in Acquireing the knowledge of the Original tongues in Reading of Commentaries for attaining to the knowledge of the letter in Preaching and Hearing of preachings in Useing other meanes for reaching the knowledge of the Truths delivered in the Scriptures The Other which we maintaine presupposeth in ordinary this knowledge of the letter of the Scriptures and the use of means contributing thereunto as a meane appointed of God whereby we may come through his Grace cooperating on our Understandings Wils unto the saving soul-captivating knowledge of the same Truths As the saving and gracious beleeving and improving of the Truths of God revealed of old by his immediatly and extraordinarily inspired Prophets unto others did presuppose their hearing and understanding the letter of what these Prophets and extraordinary Messengers revealed as the minde of God and did not destroy and make useless that meane as the way of Quakers would necessarily have done for they alleidge
irreprehensible and sinless It is said of them indeed that they were blameless as all Pastors should be 1 Tim. 3 2. an● all Christians Phil. 2 15. but not that they were sinless And August lib. cont Caelest distinguisheth betwixt esse sine peccato esse sine querela and he sayes this may be said of some but that of none but of Christ. What he saith from Ephes. 2 5 6. is true viz. that such as sit with Christ to wit Actually sin no more but now they sit not actually there but only in Christ Jesus their head As for Heb. 12 22 23. whatever beginnings there may be thereof here Yet its fulness is above Revel 14 5. speaketh not of Perfection here but of their blamelesness that is their Sincerity and Uprightness And this is all that he adduceth to prove his Opinion by and how slender his grounds are let any judge 28. He comes at length to answere some of our arguments § 9. Pag. 161. c. And to that brought from 1 Ioh. 1.8 if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves the truth is not in us He wondereth that we are so blinde partial as to alleige this place against which so much might be said Let us hear what can be said He saith That we doth not include the Apostle as we see Iam. 3 9 10. Ans. That place of Iames taketh in all even the Apostles though not for the present time and that was sufficient to prove what a member the tongue was And he might say as well that the Apostle is not included 1 Ioh. 1 7 9 10. Nor Chap. 2 1 2 3. But n●xt be it so that the Apostle is not here expresly included it is sufficient for us that it is spoken of beleevers to whom Iohn wrote that their joy might be full vers 4. and who have interest in the bloud of Christ vers 7. and are children Chap. 2 vers 1. and have an advocate with the Father Iesus Christ the righteous ibid. and are brethren vers 7. who had their sinnes forgiven them vers 12. and knew the Father vers 13. and among these come in also the young men and the Fathers mentioned vers 13 14. What saith he next Here it is not said that we daily sin in word and deed far less that all our best works are sinful for the following verse showeth the contrary where it is said that such as confess their sins get pardon and are washen and this cleansing cannot be meaned of remitting the guilt for that was expressed by forgiving otherwise there should be a tautology here Ans. 1. It is sufficient that this place proveth that beleevers are not so perfect as to be sinless here 2. It is true beleevers confessing their sins and fleeing to Christ by faith obtaine remission of their sins and it is also true that Christs bloud cleanseth them from guilt and staine but that cleansing from the staine and filth is not perfect here for then there were no need of remission and beleevers might say they had no sin contrare to what is here said verse 8. and Chap. 2 1. In the 3. place he distinguisheth betwixt sinning and having sin as Volkelius the Socinian lib. 5. c. 19. did to elude this place betwixt having of sin and being accustomed to sin and then tels us that because all have sinned it may be said of them that they have sin Just as Smalcius the Socinian said disp 6. de Bonis Oper. Pag. 178. But we Ans. That the Apostle expresly saith both that we have sin vers 8. and that we have had sin vers 10. And he that sinneth in the present time he hath sin in the present time And beside this having of sin he supponeth that they may sin saying Chap. 2 1 My little children these things write I unto you that ye sin not that is not that ye have not had sin And if any man sin that is in the present and future time We have an advocate with the Father c. And it is observable that the Apostle cleareth vers 9. what he meaned by having of sin vers 8. by saying if we confess our sinnes he is faithful and just to forgive us our sinnes For here he can mean no other than such sinnes as need foregiveness and not such as were formerly was hen away by the bloud of Jesus vers 7. Moreove● he tels us that sin may be taken for the seed of sin that for some time remaineth even in such as are redeemed from actual sin and when the children of God resist the temptations that come from this seed it is not their sin but the Devils that tempteth Ans. 1. This seed of sin is sinful and as lon● as this seed of sin is in them they cannot be perfect 2. The Apostle is speaking of actual sins not excluding this seed and body of death which must be confessed before they be actually pardoned and they cleansed from the guilt of them vers 9. 3. In so far as the godly resist these temptations they do well but even these sinful motions of corruption within them are transgressions of the Law and should be mourned for and are evidences that the flesh lusteth against the Spirit so that they do not what they should do every way as they ought to do What he saith in the last place to wit That this place should not be so wrested as to speak against what the same Apostle saith frequently in the same Epistle Is founded upon his presumption and false supposition that he hath proven this Perfection from this Epistle the con●rary whereof is shown 29. To 1 King 8 46. and Eccles. 7 20. he answereth That there is nothing here said of sinning daily Yea Sal●mon in that place two verses thereafter speaketh of them that turne from their sinnes with all their heart which insinuateth a possibility of relinquishing sin Ans. It is expresse in Ecclesiastes that there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not clearly importing that even in their doing good they sinne and so that they sinne daily What followeth 1 King 8 48. speaketh only of their Repentance which we deny not to be possible but nothing of this possibility of not sinning He answereth 2. Though it were granted that at that time there was no man that sinned not yet it will not follow that there are none such now or that it is Impossible there should be any such Ans. 1. Then he must say either that at that time there were none Regenerate no not Solomon himself or that his position is false which maketh this common to all Regenerate persons 2. We have proven it not only under the Old Test. but also under the New what needs more 3. We do not speak of a simple impossibility as if it surpassed the power of God to cause such a thing but of an ordinary impossibility matters standing as they are in the wise ordination of God who
who use it confess that the power of communicating the holy Ghost is ceased among them And is it not ridiculous to imitate the shadow when the substance is away Ans We say not that the holy Ghost was alwayes given by imposition of hands let him look not to mention instances in the Old Testament where it had no such use Mark 10 v. 16. 16 v. 18. Luk. 13 13. And even where it was used toward Church-officers it did not alwayes carry alongs with it the giving of the holy Ghost as we see Act. 13 3. it was used towards Paul who before that had been filled with the holy Ghost Act. 9 17. The same also we read of Barnabas before this time Act. 11 24. So then though this power be not and this use of imposition of hands be ceased yet its use in Ordination and Ordination it self must not be cast away by such as would be followers of Christ and of his Apostles seing its principal use in Ordination remaineth not only to declare who the person is who is to be set apart for the Ministrie but to declare the solemne Dedication and Consecration or setting apart of the person for the work and the conveyance of the Ministerial Power and Office with a charge to go about the work with all care and diligence But it is little wonder that our Quakers trample this Ordinance under foot when there is not one ordinance of Jesus Christ that they value or will regard And what Christians these are let every one judge And whether or not I had not ground to say and againe to repeat it that they are a company of the most desperate Antichristian opposers of Christ and all his Appointments that ever the sun shined on 16. It is observable that in his whole discourse he speaketh nothing of infallibility which other Quakers require in Ministers of the Spirit See Fox mystery p. 72. and some plead for in all as W. Pen in his Spirit of truth p. 32 c. and why he is not so plaine and full as others are he knoweth himself CHAP. XVIII Of Ministerial Qualifications 1. WE proceed now to examine what he saith about the Qualifications of Ministers Pag. 190. c. § 15. Though what he began to say of the Ministerial Call was rather concerning the Qualifications as we observed yet now seing here he beginneth to speak directly and ex professo of these Qualifications we shall follow him And first he tels us That as he placed the true call in the motion of the holy Spirit so also he sayes the power vertue and life of the Spirit and of grace proceeding from him is the principal and most necessary qualification without which he can neither discharge his duty acceptably unto God nor profitably unto men Ans. Wherein he placed the call we have heard and have heard it several wayes expressed And here we have it in a new distinct manner expressed for here nothing is mentioned but a simple motion of the Spirit and every motion of the Spirit is not extraordinary But 2. What he sayes here of a necessary qualification seemeth only to relate to the better and more profitable discharge of the duty as to men and so to respect the bene esse of the Office not the simple esse of it As for what he sayes of God that it cannot be performed acceptably unto him is nothing for an unsanctified Magistrate cannot performe his office acceptably every way unto God unless we meane only that the substance of the work when done according to justice and equity is approven of God though the person be not accepted in it 3. We have here good words Power Vertue and Life of the Spirit and of grace But these must not deceive us for by all these good words according to his principles formerly considered Chap. X. he cannot understand what is imported thereby in the Scriptures but only what an Heathen or Pagan that never heard of Christ nor never shall hear of him is capable of And whether this be fitter to be a necessary qualification of a Pagan-preacher than of a Gospel-Minister let any judge who will 2. He saith next That we affirme three things concurre to the constituting of a Minister to wit Natural parts that is that he be not an idiot acquired parts that he be learned in the tongues in Philosophie and scholastick theology and finally the grace of God The first two belong to the essence of a Minister the last to his bene esse Ans. Who stateth the question thus I know not for my part I cannot well approve it Of the grace of God I spoke my minde in the beginning of the preceeding Chapter As to the knowledge of the languages wherein the Bible was originally written I think that very convenient in some measure at least and he hath let us see here and there in this his Book what use he could make of it but as to the knowledge of the original languages use of commentaries I think it no wonder he should think it utterly useless seing the knowledge of the Scriptures themselves is of so little an account with him That skill in Philosophy is useful in some measure I shall assent but for the knowledge of Scholastick Theology I account it not so necessary And I suppose the knowledge of other Theologie much more necessary though all these be very requisite in a Professour On the contrary as not having said enough before he saith That without grace no man can be a true or lawful Minister And I suppose he meaneth neither before God nor Man This I judge too far said His first Argument for this is the same with the first he brought above for his call and was there answered 3. His 2. Arg. is much like the former being this No man can be a minister of the Church of Christ which is his body but he that is a member thereof But he who wanteth the grace of God cannot be a member of that body Therefore c. Answ. Had he understood the difference betwixt the Church Visible and Invisible and had he known that Officers are set in the Church Visible and not in the Church Invisible which is made up of homogeneal parts he had seen the vanity of this argument Christ is an head to both communicateth by his Spirit suteable nourishment whether of gifts or of grace to the members of both according as he thinketh fit Ephes. 4 7.11 16. 1 Corinth 12. throughout and while he applieth these things wholly and solely unto the Church Invisible he bewryeth his ignorance His 3. Arg. is from 1 Pet. 4 10 11. and he translateth the words thus as every man hath receiveth grace so c. but the word in the original is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which we finde alwayes rendered gift or free gift but it is like that gift and grace are one thing with him with whom the highest grace is a most common gift
taught can teach and opportunely admonish and by certain experience witness for God as did of old the Prophets and the Apostles of late 1 Ioh. 1 1. Ans. By this it seemes that all ministers learning of what soever kinde that is useful must be immediatly taught them they must have all by inward Instructions of the Spirit And it will not be enough to him that the Spirit teach us by ordinary meanes as he did Daniel Chap. 1 17. comp with vers 4 but it must be by Immediat Inspirations Revelations I would faine know if he learned his Latine Greek Hebrew so But who seeth not what a tendency this hath to banish all learning out of the world and to introduce palpable Paganisme Darkness Ignorance whereby people may become a prey unto such seducers as he is If so away with all Academies Schools of learning though even when Immediat Revelations were more ordinary there were schools of the prophets young prophets having others over them 1 Sam. 19.20 we hear of the sones of the prophets 2 King 2 3. of master scholer Mal. 2 12. See also 1 Sam. 10 5 10. 2 King 2 5 22 14. Away then with all Reading Studying or Searching of the Scriptures away with learning so much as to read with all study of arts of sciences that might help in the least to understand the Scriptures contrary to Deut. 17 19. 1 Tim. 4 13. 5 17. 2 Tim. 2 15. Revel 11 3. Ioh. 5 v. 39. for we have no more to do now but to waite for Immediat Revelations of all things which I should judge a manifest tempting of God an exposeing of our selves to delusions which God in his righteous judgment might give us up unto Doth not the Spirit in Paul's making use of the sayings of heathen poets Act. 17 28. Tit. 1 12. teach us that a good use may be made of humane learning even for carrying on a spiritual work Nay this principle followed forth would destroy all Teaching all Interpretation of Scriptures all Meanes of learning all Instruction of parents all Ministrie And what have we then to do with the Quakers teachings writtings This is no new thing it was the doctrine of the old Anabaptists 8. Then § 19. forward he comes to speak in particular to three parts of literature as if there were no moe nor none more excellent useful the first is the Knowledge of tongues Latine Greek Hebrew And he sayes we judge the knowledge of these necessary that we may read the Scriptures in the original languages which Scriptures he sayes we take to be our only rule Thereby declareing that he owneth then not as such and sure seing we owne the Scriptures for our only Rule it is but rational that we study these languages in which they were first written that we may thereby come the better to understand their meaning seing no translation can so fully emphatically express the original in all points as were to be wished But why mentioneth he the Latine for this end Thinks he that any part of our Rule was originally written in Latine Belike he would foist-in some apocryphal books into our Canon or give us the Popish vulgar version for the only authenticque And if so we should not stand in great need of the Knowledge of Hebrew Greek He sayes this study was commendable in the primitive Reformers because darkness before had overwhelmed the whole Christian world Answ. 1. Then it seemeth there was then a Christian world contrary to what he said above 2. If it was needful to dispel darkness it cannot be unnecessary to keep out darkness 3. But why might not the Spirit without their study have taught these things And why did they not waite till the Spirit taught them immediatly 4. How came it that the Spirit gave a blessing to their endeavours Will God bless sinful meanes But he addeth That true reformation was not placed in that knowledge for though Papists out of emulation set up that study yet we see that they are as much obdured in their errours as ever Ans. who saith that true reformation was placed in this It was a mean in it self to help towards the knowledge of the Scriptures And if Jesuites other Papists do not improve the same to a right end shall therefore the meane be condemned altogether This man tels us that Jesuites all men have a light within them which if well improven would prove saving and because they many others do not make a right use hereof will he think that it should be laid aside altogether I suppose not Therefore sayes he further this will not prove the necessity of this science unto ministers Whence doth he conclude this It is a conclusion without premisses for that which he said last would rather inferre the contrary Far lesse will it evince saith he that it is a qualification more necessary then is the grace and Spirit of God seing this can supply the want of that in rusticks and in ignorant persons Answ. I shall be far from saying that it is more necessary Let each have its owne place and I am satisfied things subordinat can well consists but this man will have these two contradictory What the Spirit may help illiterate persons to know by hearing in the things of salvation is nothing to the purpose for we are speaking of Ministers who should be knowing persons and able to teach others And Peter tels us what unlearned Persons are apt to do with the Scripture But says he Pag. 198. all the knowledge that is had by that learning is without the Spirit and so is fallible when as a rustick hearing the Scriptures read can say that it is true by the same Spirit also understand it and if needful interpret it by observing how his owne condition agreeth with the condition of the saints recorded in Scripture Ans. It is not without the Spirits ordinary assistance and we look not for immediat infallible Motions and Inspirations 2. Why may not the rustick if acted by an infallible and immediatly inspireing Spirit tell all this without hearing the Scriptures read And how should he even have heard them read in his owne language If they had not been translated And how had they been translated without this knowledge 3. May not the rustick mistake his owne condition and consequently misinterpret the Scripture or may he not misapply that passage wrest it contrare to its native scope and that through ignorance even of the letter of the Scriptures and so suppose an harmony or similitude where there is no such thing Such a thing I suppose is not impossible And what doth his argueing then evince But he hath a sufficient experience in some of his Quakers particularly in a shoe maker or cobler correcting a Professour in a citation of some passage of Scripture affirming that there was no such passage to be found Ans.
of God when moved to the work and were to be obeyed and subjected unto as such according to these places of Scripture now cited Why doth he not show us wherein this peculiarity consisteth Whether is it in some thing inward or in something outward if inward what can it be more than Gods calling and ordaining if outward Is it imposition of hands of the Presbytery or a potestative mission by Church Officers 3. But he sayes They are more fitted and fournished than others True yet this is not before the call but after it and a consequence of the call for he sayes and therefore they are more fitted to wit because peculiarly called and wherein this peculiar call consists I would know 4. He tels us also that their work is more constantly and particularly to instruct c. But can they instruct at any time without a special motion of the Spirit if they can why doth he inveigh against our Officers for doing the same If they cannot how can this be said to be more their work than it is the work of others who do the same upon the like motion or doth their special Call consist in their receiving more frequent motion than others But this speaks only of more work but nothing of a distinct Office So that all this concession of his is just nothing 5. I would know if these specially called persons be wholly separated for that work and that statedly and fixedly so as they are in all time coming looked upon regarded and submitted unto as officers over others and how this work of separating of them is done Beside these he tels us also of Elders who albeit they be not frequently called to declare themselves in words by this I suppose he meaneth their way of preaching yet having had experience of the work of truth on their hearts they watch over and privatly instruct the younger Ans. But yet if the Spirit move them they may they must do this in Publick too 2. we heard before that this experience or something like was all that he gave us for a call to the highest imployment 3. whatever these Elders be they are not the Scripture Elders for these are apponted for Government or Ruleing the Church hence called Governments 1 Cor. 12 29 and said to Rule 1 Tim. 4 17. Rom. 12 8. 4. He confoundeth these Elders with deacons telling us that they care for the poor widowes orphanes Nay more he sayes they take care that peace unity concord and love and health be preserved in the Church But what way is this done And how are they called hereunto And whether doth all this declare them to be distinct Officers or not and over the people or not And whether is this their peculiar work that others of the common people may not meddle with Let him answere these and reconcile himself with himself when he is at leasure 14. But Pag. 208. he tels us that they refuse that distinction of laicks and cleargy And knoweth he not that we disapprove these termes But the thing that they refuse is That none as he speaketh should be admitted to the work of the Ministrie but who are educated in schooles and instructed in logick c. and he who is thus educated must not learne another honest tread for his leaving But why doth it offend them that men take paines to be instructed and qualified for the work and that none be admitted but such as are qualified It seemeth that the work of the Ministrie is a light business with them may be discharged by such as have no learning or qualifications but why then did the Lord qualifie his Apostles by teaching them several yeers and by extraordinary infusion of knowledge It seemeth they would have all waiting for such miracles now but we must first see a warrand and seing experience tels us that the Lord doth not take this way now why are they offended that we use ordinary meanes for attaining to knowledge 2. He may know if he will that we exclude none from the Ministrie if they be qualified though they have not learned their philosophy c. at ordinary schooles 3. As for their learning of an honest trade we finde none of the Apostles doing so after they were called to that work and we look upon the work of the Ministrie as such as will take up the whole man and his whole time if he be faithful and diligent And yet some men have learned physick after they have been Ministers that they might be helpful to the poor and no man condemneth this providing that thereby they take not occasion to neglect the Ministrie which is of greater consequence 15. But hereby sayes he it cometh to passe that Parents seeing what honour and gaine attendeth the Ministrie assigne their children to that office from their Infancy and educat them thereunto of purpose c. That Parents dedicat their children to the service of God cannot be condemned if they do it upon a corrupt designe and as moved by the corrupt ends that is but their owne fault Those sayes he being educated in pleasure and idleness think it below them afterward to work with their hands satisfying themselves to bring out of books what they may Preach Ans. Who ever think serious study an easie work is not acquanted with it And if a Minister think he hath time enough to follow an ordinary calling he knoweth neither the weight nor the worth of the Ministrie He that must bring all his preaching alwayes out of books must either preach seldome or he will finde little time to follow another trade But all these things and what he saith further of corruption in admitting corrupt and carnal men into the Ministrie is nothing to the purpose in hand for no sober man will approve such corruptions And yet we need not run away to the Quakers way of prizing extemporary non sensical discourses after self motions and self impulses as the whole work of the Ministrie But sayes he next Pag. 209. when men are not admitted to the Ministrie that are not so and so licentiat according to their rules the Spirit is exstinguished and prophecies are despised contrare to 1 Thes. 5 19 20. Ans. What Papists do in this I regard not Protestants will I suppose not refuse to admit any man to the Ministrie that is found after tryal really qualified upon any such account howbeit the places by him cited be ill applied but we must not stand upon every punctilio but shall go on CHAP. XX. Of Woman Preachers 1. OUr Quakers that in all things they may be like themselves that is opposite to all the Appointments and Ordinances of Christ in his house plead for Women speaking or preaching in the publick assemblies of the Church as did the Anabaptists of old and Famalists And that notwithstanding Paul hath in two distinct places expresly prohibited the same as first 1 Cor 14 34. Let your women keep silence in the Churches we might
think that this were indeed enough to satisfie us but see what the Apostle addeth further to enforce this for it is not permitted unto them to speak to wit in the Churches as if he had said they have no allowance thereunto permission or tollerance And as if all this were not enough he addeth all that is permitted unto them is to be under obedience as also saith the Law Whereby he giveth us to understand that woman their speaking in the Churches is inconsistent with that subjection that the Law of God hath laid upon them And withall he insinuateth that speaking in the Churches is an authoritative thing and therefore no way allowed unto Women whose proper deportment according to the institution and Law of God is subjection and to be under obedience Nay he will not suffer them so much as to ask questions under colour of learning in the Churches lest that should make way for their usurping of Authori●y and taking upon them to speak wi●h Authority for he addeth vers 35. And if they will learne any thing let them ask their husbands at home And so even at home he en●oyneth them to ask contrare to what was practised by Mrs Hutchison in N. England called by some the American Iezabel who had her weekly lectures in her owne house and there broached her Familistical and Antinomian errors to the no small trouble of the Church of N. England Nay he addeth that it was contrary to that modesty and shamefastness that is the ornament of women for saith he it is a shame for women to speak in the Church What Patrons and abettors then of Immodesty and Shamlesness must Quakers be that plead for Womens speaking in the ●hurches 2. It is considerable also what the Apostle addeth in the following verses to confirme this injunction concerning Women as also his former directions which he had given to regulate the abuses of that Church What saith he came the word of God out from you Or came it unto you only Are ye the first and the last and so the only Christians that are Or must ye give Laws to all the ●hurches of Christ And must they all follow you Let the Quakers look to this who as to the particular we are now about would make us beleeve that the word of God came out from them and that it came to them only and not to any Church Primitive or Subsequent beside themselves Further vers 37 he sayes if any man think himself to be a Prophet or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandements of the Lord. Let our Quaker ruminate upon this and let all of them take notice of it for when they contradict this expresse injunction of the Apostle they declare themselves say what they will to the contrary to be neither Prophets nor spiritual and further we see that what Paul spoke concerning this silence of women in the Church was the commandement of the Lord. And therefore is obligeing to all Churches who will owne any relation to Christ their Lord and Head and consequently the Quakers rejecting this commandement of the Lord renunce in so far their Interest in and Relation to the Lord as their Head and Lawgiver And the next words vers 38. But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant have their owne weight also as if he had said if any will not yet for all this acquiesce let him take his pleasure no more needs be said for his conviction he is wilfully ignorant and he must remaine so And so say we in this particular if the Quakers will remaine ignorant we cannot helpe it we must follow our rule and declare them inconvinceable and so leave them 3. Another expresse passage we have against this Practice and Opinion of the Quakers 1 Tim. 2 11 14. Let the women learne in silence with all subjection but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence Where we may see That Teaching publickly is an act of authority and that it is inconsistent with that silence and subjection which is enjoyned to women And therefore the Apostle as a faithful servant of Christ will not give way to it and acquants Timothy herewith that he may suppress any such practice where it is or hinder it if men would set it up Nor is this all for he addeth his reasons saying for Adam was first formed then Eve Whereby he teacheth us That such a practice is contrary to the Law of Creation the Law writ●en upon the Creation and the Way and Method of Crea●ion which the Lord was pleased to follow and th●reby give Documents and Significations of his will to man This practice then of the Quakers must be unnatural and a plaine saying that God created Eve first and then Adam And further the Apostle addeth And Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression That is the woman being immediatly first deceived by Satan was the cause occasion of Adams transgressing therefore was her subjection to the man laid further upon her as a more grievous weight and burthen as a part of her punishment The Quakers then who would have women usurping Authority and Teaching in the Church do seek to annul the sentence past upon Women by the just Lord for Eve's being the cause of Adam's sinning and do in a manner declare that that sentence was unjust and that Eve was not the devils instrument to cause Adam sinne Let them see to it for it draweth deeper than they are aware 4. Let us now see what he sayes for this Seing saith he Pag. 210. male and female are one in Christ and seing he giveth his Spirit to one as well as to another when the Lord moveth in women by his Spirit we think it no way unlawful for them to preach in the meetings of God's people Answ. 1. That there is neither male nor female as there is neither Jew nor Greek but all are one in Christ we grant in reference to the privileges of the Covenant now under the Gospel dispensation in opposition to what was under the Law for of this Paul speaks Gal. 3 28. But that therefore women may as well Preach in the Assemblies of the Church as men is a Quakers consequence having no connexion nor appearance of reason 2. That God giveth his sanctifying Spirit to women as well as to men is very true but that he moveth in them for any such end as he here mentioneth is simply denied And by this we may see what sentence to passe upon these irregular motions which they talk so much of If the Spirit of God move in women it will be to prompt them to duty that is to keep silence in the Church and not to Teach there or to usurpe authority but to learne in subjection remembering what her sex is called to by the law of God and what that punishment is that
may be drawn over the rest to wit Ps. 25 3. 37 9. 69 6. Esai 40 v. 31. 42 23. Lam. 3 25. His concordance hath helped him here to no purpose He must not think for all this that I speak against that noble duty of waiting on the Lord in all our wayes which is accompanied with a care to keep all his wayes I speak only against his Waiting which is not upon the Lord but a waiting for an unhallowed motion of an evil Spirit like those of ol● who were consulting the Oracles of the Devil waiting for Enthusiasmes diabolick Inspirations which needeth no other confirmation but this that this waiting is pleaded for to shut out the Ordinances of Jesus C●rist and to give God no more for all the solemne Worshipe service w●ich he requireth but a dumb mumtie Nay this is such a waiting as first requireth that the man lay aside all Christianity yea and Rationality and Humanity that he may become a perfect prey to the Spirit of Delusion for he addeth that this silence is not only outward but inward from all imaginations and thoughts So that the man must lay aside his very sanctified intell●ct if he have it and rational faculty and so first un-man himself that the Devil may make him a beast or worse What he saith of the two seeds in men hath been spoken to long ago and what he saith further of natural men and of their various kindes or actings is nothing to the purpose for we confess that a natural man for all his parts and enduements cannot Worshipe God in the Spirit And for any thing I can finde in all this mans writing concerning Regeneration I must needs say that if it be really with the Quakers according to this mans doctrine they know no more of Regeneration and true Sanctification than a Turk or a Pagan doth Further what will all his speaking Pag. 235. of a necessity of a natural mans retireing from himself as such going into his good seed which is a non-ens nothing but the ill and wicked se●d of Nature availe here Can a natural man do this of himself Can the blakamore change his colour or the Leopard his spotes And finally what saith all this for the dumb Worshipe that he calleth for even from the Regenerate Though the rambling discourse which he hath Pag. 233. be utterly impertinent Yet I wish him to take notice of some expressions He saith that one kinde of spiritual wickedness is when a natural man in matters of Religion affirmeth and proposeth from his own conceptions and divinations erroneous notions and opinions And whether he be not guilty of this let all sober understanding persons judge And againe he saith It cannot be said that there is so much as a forme of goodliness where there are erroneous opinions and notions Let him look to it And I must retorte his owne words Pag. 234. upon himself This kinde of Idolatry whereby a man loveth Idolizeth the Conceptions Inventions and Products of his owne braine is so incident to him and so seated in his lapsed nature that while his natural Spirit is his leader and chiefe Governour and while he is acted moved and led by it in the Worshipe of God and attendeth to no other he can never act any spiritual Worshipe n●r produce any thing but what is the fruite of his corruption For reflecting upon his false Principles and Carnal Natural grounds of Religion opposite to all true Religion and Christianity I know none beside him●elf and his party of whom this may be more truely verified 13. He imagineth Pag. 235. that God is speaking in every man as one man is quietly talking in the eare of another or as a Master teaching his schooler or a Prince is speaking to a person and that therefore the natural man should not be so rude and indocile as not to be silent and hearken and retire from all the operations of his soul that he may heare and the good seed may rise in him Ans. That is the natural man that he may hear and learne of God must lay aside all his senses inward and outward all his operations as a man good and evil and so fall into something like or rather deeper then a trance and ecstasie that he may receive the visions of God And till this be done he can goe about no act of commanded Worshipe Is not this a noble phancie We are waiting for the proof of this and how long shall we waite till we see it Is this the meaning of all these passages of Scripture that spoke of waiting and watching Is not this like Socrates his Demon that attended him and to which he must Introvert to hearken What shall the renewed man do Is not God as well talking thus in and to him and must he not also retire from his Humane or Christian acts and lay all aside that he may hearken Sure it is not seemly even for a courtier to be talking to his Prince while his Prince is speaking to him he should waite till his Prince had done And so because we may suppose that the Lord is alway speaking the whole Worshipe shall be this silent hearkening And indeed Pag. 236. he taketh-in with the rest of the actions that must be laid by Sense and Fear of sin Thoughts of Death Hell and Iudgment thoughts of Glory Prayers and other Religious Exercises Have we not then a clear delineation of this Quakeristick ecstasie and of this silent Worshipe of theirs And as if all this were not enough he saith agai● This great duty of waiting upon God must be exercised in denying of themselves and in sole and meer dependance upon God within and without in being abstracted from all operations imaginations and ejaculations of their soul that being made void of themselves and wholly crucified to their natural productions they may be fit to receive God Is not this a clear thing The man then must become no man nay not an animal he must not be a living wight such an ecstasie must he give himself up unto But I am yet to learne if this be in mans owne power or if the Prophets of old were so far master of themselves as to fall into a trance or ecstasie to speak nothing of such an ecstasie as this is which taketh away all the use of the intellect and inward motions of soul when they pleased And yet more if this was called for at their hands alwayes when they went to Worshipe God or if this was their solemne worshipe or a chiefe part thereof Will this Quaker do me the favour to prove these things and clear his way from Devilrie by undoubted marks of distinction 14. But now let us suppose the man is brought to this state either by his owne wonderful dexterity of metamorphosin● himself or by some superiour Spirit or other what next Then saith he Pag. 236. the little seed of righteousness which God planted in the
such a necessary Antecedent They must saith he have but carnal apprehensions of God who think men can please him by their proper operations when we have showne that the first progress unto pleasing of God consisteth in ceasing from our owne imaginations that we may suffer God's Spirit to work in us Ans. we have seen all that he hath showne and have seen for all that no proof or demonstration of what he undertook to prove That Introversion is an Action Operation or Imagination of a man though it be attended with a Real or Imaginary Humane or Satanical Abstraction from all Operation or Imagination The man who thus introverts is not passive but active else he should not be said to introvert but to be introverted so that I wonder that this man did not so worde his notions that they might not destroy themselves We must first cease to do evil saith he before we do good Yet ceasing to do evil is not without all action of the minde and will otherwise one might be said to cease from evil in order to a doing of good when he sleepeth or when he is bound hand and foot and his mouth stopped though the Devil be rageing in his Soul Intellect Will Affections 22. The 2 Objection is If this be all their worshipe why have they set times and places of meeting seing they might do all that at home in their several houses He answereth It pleaseth the Lord to make use of the outward senses of his people while here in communicating of spiritual life and suteable means as speaking praying and praising But all this is inconsistent with pure silence which is often all their worshipe and with them Speaking Praying and Praising a●e not so necessary He addeth God hath appointed Assemblies to preserve an outward visible testimony for his name But there is no visible testimony given to his name when the duties which he hath appointed for that end are not performed nor the Ordinances observed He maketh his life saith he to abound more unto his owne when they meet together to waite upon Him Answ. Well but that is not by their simple seeing one anothers faces which may be in the market place and on the streets but by faithful and conscientious observation of his ordinances and not by mute mumrie What he saith of Assemblies from Mat. 18 20. and Heb. 10 24. is true but maketh nothing for their mute service of which all the doubt remaineth 23. The last Objection is That this mute way of worshiping is not found in the Scriptures And sure if it be not prescribed it must be will worshipe He answereth That they make not silence the only substance of their worshipe Yet he confessed that sometimes it is the whole of their worshipe And though it be not the only substance of their worshipe Yet if it be a substantial part it must be instituted and warranted by a word of Institution Mat. 15.9 Mak. 7 6. Esa. 29 13. In the primitive times sayes he they prayed and preached by the Spirit And if so what absurdity is it if we suppose that the Spirit did not sometimes move them to these outward acts and that then they were silent Ans. I read of their worshiping in the Spirit Phil. 3 3. but of their praying and preaching by the Spirit I read not and though I will not much quarrel about the phrase yet I think Scripture phrases are best and I shall adde that neither name nor thing is found in the Scripture in the Quakers sense If they did all in worshipe by such previous immediat Impulses as he dreameth of which I doubt if ever he shall prove it must necessarily indeed follow that they were silent when they had not such motions or went on without them But in this case their silence was but a pure non-action it was not a positive part of worshipe nor such a positive active silence or Introversion as he phancieth That men must be silent when they speak not nor imagine not is very probable but that the Silence of the primitive Church was such a Silence that not only was without words but also without thoughts and all imaginations will be hardly proved by him And when that is proved which I look upon as very improbable he hath not proved his Conclusion till he withall prove that this silence was gone about as a principal part of worshipe How long time will he take to prove this How much less shall he ever prove that the positive part of his silence I meane the Introversion was observed as a necessary part of worshipe He addeth Act. 2 1. It is said they were all in one place and then it is added suddenly the Spirit came but we read not that any were speaking at that time And what absurdity if we say they were silent Ans. It is not said suddenly the Spirit came but suddenly there came a noise it is true the Spirit came in his glorious Effects Read we that they were all silent Read we that they were all Introverted Where is then his Institution or Example for his Introversion Though they had been silent that will not say that they did Introvert nor will it say that their silence was a principal part of their worshipe The man I see must bring forth such proofs as he hath 24. He starteth Pag. 248. that Objection That there is no instance of such a silent assembly in all the Scriptures To which he Answereth That though this be not written yet such an assembly might be lawful But we are seeking a word of Institution or an approven Instance of their silent worshipe And he can give neither But he thinketh that a proof by consequence from other duties pressed in Scripture will suffice And it is well that he will admit of Consequences in this case What is this Consequential proof The Scripture saith he commandeth us to assemble together This is granted What then And forbids us while assembled to pray or preach but as the Spirit moveth Where is this said why doth he not shew this that we may consider it we must take it on a Quakers word What is his Conclusion If being assembled we are not moved by the Spirit it necessarily followeth that we must be silent Tru●ly this is probable but it is nothing to the point seing every silence is not an Introversion but where is the Conclusion That this Introverting silence is a principal part of worshipe He must leave this until the next occasion Yet I must take notice that consequentially if he reason by consequences he must give us leave to do the same he here destroyeth all that he said above upon the head of the Scriptures for there he denied that they were our Rule and yet here he placeth them for the only Rule of worshipe and would faine seek footing for his way of worshipe in them were it but by a Consequence while as according to his principles formerly laid downe he had
no more to say both to this and the former Objection then that they were not bound to seek after either Precept or example of their worshipe in the Scriptures and this had been a short cut But instead of this he is runneth thorow the Scriptures to seek for an instance and he pitcheth upon some in the Old Test. forgeting what he said in the beginning of this debate about worshipe to wit That he was only speaking here of divine worshipe now under the Gospel And he knoweth that Instances of worshipe under the Old Testament will not be pertinent to prove this though he should produce multitudes Could he get no one instance in all the N. Test. what if I helpe him to one See Act. 21 40. Paul stood on the staires and beckened with the hand unto the people And when there was made a great silence he speak unto them Here is a Silence and a Great Silence and a Great Silence in an Assembly But I confess this Instance will not helpe him for neither was it worshipe nor was there an Introversion here nor had it on their part any good issue as we see Chap. 22 22 23. And yet I think their silence is hardly so justifiable as this was But let us look upon his Instances out of the Old Test. His first is of Iob's friends si●ting seven dayes in silence But was this a meeting for worshipe was Iob's friends all these dayes Introverted How came it that when the seed at length gote room and the● were prompted to speak they spoke no more consonantly to truth It would seem that all the light of God that shined to them while thus seven dayes long introverted did not dispel all their darkness nor banish the Devil away wholly But the text it self giveth the reason of their silence to wit for they saw that his griefe was very great He citeth next Ezra 9 4 But most impertinently for this was a silence not for worshipe but arising from astonishment griefe sorrow and heaviness caused by the sin of the people Here was no Introversion to seek after the light within nor Abstraction from all thoughts and conceptions for his heart was filled with sorrow and thoughts of the grievousness of the sin Ezechiel 14 1. speaketh nothing of silence nor Chap. 20 1. But of the peoples coming and sitting before him and if he say that dureing this time they were Introverted he must say ●lso and not speak far amisse I grant that persons may Introvert and yet set up their idols in their heart and put the stumbling block of their iniquity before their faces as Ezech. 14 vers 2. and be such as God will not be enquired of Chap. 20 vers 3. If these be his instances much good may they do him and I wish he may see in them his owne picture and learne from henceforth to abhore himself and his diabolical way 25. Some time after I came this length I called to minde something I had read of the fanaticisme of the Church of Rome in D. Stelling fleet which will helpe to informe us concerning the nature and rise of this doctrine and manner of expression used by our Quakers D. S●●llingf tels us Pag. 327. of his book of the Idolatry of the Church of Rome that the Papists have their abstractedness of life mental prayer i. e. our Quakers worshipe Passive unions a Deiform fund of the soul a state of Introversion whence we see from whom our Quakers have borrowed this expression divine Inspirations He tels us moreover that as they speak the Perfection of this state lying in an intime union with God whereby the soul is Deified is to be attained only in the way of unknowing and of self annihilation This is the very summe of the Quakers doctrine And Pag. 328. c. Out of Mr Cressy a popish fanatick his Mother Iuliana's Revelations and preface to Sancta Sophia and the book it self he citeth several passages which we may take some notice of such as these The only proper disposition towards the receiving supernatural Irradiations from God's holy Spirit is an abstraction of life a sequestration from all business that concerne others though ●t be their salvation and an attendance to God alone in the depth of the Spirit the lights here desired and prayed for are such as do expel all images of creatures and do calme all manner of passions to the end that the soul being in a vaculty may be more capable of receiving intertaining God in the pure fund of the Spirit But what is this fund He tels us out of Lud. Blosius Inst. Spirit that the Deiform fund of the soul is the simple essence of the soul stamped with a divine impress or that from whence ariseth a superessential life Out of Sancta Sophia we are caught that the way to perfection is a Contemplative state rather then an Active and that because it is more perfect more easie more simple and more secure from all errours and illusions which may be occasioned by an indiscreet use of prayer What is the active State It is the use of reasoning and internal discourse to fix our affections on God and expressing it self in sensible dev●tion and outward acts of obedience to God's will What is the Contemplative Seeking God in the obscurity of faith with a more pr●found introversion of Spirit and with less activity and motion in sensitive nature and without the use of grosser images And further it is said that such souls are not of themselves much inclined to external works but they seek rather to purifie themselves and inflame their hearts to the love of God by internal quiet and pure actuations in Spirit by a total abstraction from creatures by solitude both external and especially internal so disposing themselves to receive the influxes and inspirations of God whose guidance chiefly they endeavour to follow in all things Is not this the very frame and mould of our Quakers But wherein lyeth the security of this state above the other In this that a contemplative soul tending to God and working almost only with the heart and blinde affections of the will pouring themselves upon God apprehended only in the obscure no●ion of faith transcending all operations of the imagination and all subtilty and curiosity of reasoning and lastly seeking an union with God only by the most pure most intime affections of the Spirit what possibility of illusion or errour can there be to such a soul We see whence our Quakers had that which is touched above § 20. 26. Yet more p. 332. 333. He showeth us how they describe the soul 's passive union with God to be In which God after a wonderful and inconceivable manner affords them interiour illuminations touches yet far more efficacious divine in all which the soul is a meer patient and only suffers God to work his divine pleasure in her being neither able to further nor hinder it The which unions though
where God is there is the Kingdom of heaven and of that speaketh Paul when he saith the Kingdom of heaven is in us And thereafter N. 138. he sayes when man hath laid all his imperfections aside and is carryed into the essence and nakedness he stareth God in his bare essence and with that stareing presseth in to God and uniteth himself with him and God carrieth the man with himself in himself and so he hath he an eternal ingoing into God and he is wholly embraced of God and loseth himself and so he drowneth into the bottomless sea of the Godhead and swimeth as a fish in the sea And in the following Chap. he speaketh much of a silence and an hearkening to the eternal word within And Ch. 23. he tels us that this inward speaking is in the essence of the soul where God speaketh when the soul turneth all to rest and silence is gapeing after in the fund of her naked substance And this hearing is nothing else then an inward feeling which floweth out of God in that essence of the soul which is so full that it runneth over in the powers And he that findeth this is happy 39. More of this and the like trash may be found in that book but here is I suppose enough to discover what affinity this Quakers doctrine hath with the fancies of Taulerus and whence possibily he and his fraternity have learned their rare Notions and Expressions to which end only I have troubled the Reader with these few passages as also to shew that there may be greater affinity and affection betwixt Papists and our Quakers then they will yet be willing to acknowledge or suffer us to say But a little time will discover much I now pro●eed to Chap. XXIII Of Preaching 1. After his discourse concerning their manner of Worshipe this Quaker cometh to speak more particularly of some parts of worshipe such as Preaching Praying Singing against all which he hath something to say Pag. 248. c. § 18. And he beginneth with Preaching telling us that as Papists Protestants use it it is after this manner One taketh a certain place or verse of Scripture and speaketh upon it for an houre or longer these things which he had before studied or premeditated and had set together either out of his owne proper invention or from the writings or observations of others and committed them to this memory in opposition to this he tels us what their way is thus When the Saints assemble and every one introverts to the gift and grace of God in himself he who ministereth should speak acted by that grace in himself what the Spirit giveth unto him not affecting wisdom and eloquence of words but the demonstration and power of the Spirit and that either by interpreting some place of Scripture if so be the Spirit lead him to it or otherwayes exhorting reproving instructing or by speaking out the sense of some Spiritual experience all which are to be consonant to the S●riptures though perhaps not relative to any particular chapter verse or text 2. Having thus laid down the two different wayes in such a manner as he thought most advantagious for himself he saith Let us now examine and consider which of these are most consonant to the precepts and practice of Christ his Apostles and primitive Church as recorded in the Scripture Before we come to this tryal I must tell him That I am glade to hear him insinuating so much as that the Scriptures are our Rule in worshipe and that that very mode of worshipe must be chosen as the best which agreeth most with the primitive way laid down in the New Test. Only I would entreat him to reconcile this with what he said on the Scriptures One thing more I must tell him If he can prove the very first step of his way that is the Introversion of all the members of the Assembly unto the gift or grace of God in themselves to be consonant to either Precept or Practice recorded in the N. T. I shall give up the whole cause in this mater We heard how straitened he was to finde an instance of this towards the end of the foregoing Chapter when he did run as far back as to Iob's dayes to seek one but as to the primitive Church we must have patience till he think of one and for precept he could give none that came within a look of Introversion 3. It is necessare before we proceed that we take a view of the proposal he hath made of our way and compare it with his that a just estimate may be made And 1. The speaking from a word of Scripture maketh not the difference for they do that themselves sometimes as he saith here though he said it not before Nor is it unlawful else I cannot think that the Spirit would prompt them to it if that Spirit be the Spirit of God And I finde that Christ spoke from a text and so did Peter Act. 2. from a passage of Ioel. And to say as he doth to this Pag. 249. that they did not this without an immediat motion of Spirit is but a confirmation of what I am now saying viz. that it is lawful So then as to this there can be no debate nor difference 2. That ministers read and study and make some use of their reading in their sermons can give no just ground of offence seing we finde the Apostle Paul in his sermon to the Athenians making use of what he had read out of one of their poets Act. 17 28. And we finde him pressing Timothy to study and meditation and that in order to preaching to and profiteing others 1 Tim. 4 15. Meditate upon these things give thy self wholly to them this sure importeth earnest and diligent study when the Apostle saith that he should be in these things as it were wholly exercised therein and taken up therewith that thy profiteing may appear to all And in that same Chapt. vers 13. he sayes till I come give attendance to reading to exhortation to doctrine So that this reading was not for his owne private satisfaction but in order to a fitting him better unto exhortation and doctrine And againe he recommends to him a continueing in the t●ings he had learned whereby we see that he had learned something and was to keep it being assured that it was truth knowing of whom he had learned 2 Tim. 3 14. And after that Paul had appointed him to continue in what he had learned him he recommends to him the diligent perusal of the Scriptures with which he had been acquanted from his youth as being able to make him wise unto salvation perfect as a man of God v. 15 17. Moreover among the qualifications which Paul requireth in ordinary teachers this is one 1 Tim. 3 2. that he be apt to teach so also 2 Tim 2 24. And this is such an Aptitude as must be tryed and known before hand as well as the other
of experiences yet th●y can speak from experience and appositely apply themselves to loose the doubts remove the difficulties that trouble weak consciences and in some measure in the strength of the great Master of Assemblies speak a word to such as are weary But he will say it is not so with all and I will not contradict him in this yet what I have said is sufficient to discover his unfaire dealing in stateing the opposition or comparison here And how shall we beleeve that any or all of the Quaker-Preachers do as he sayes His naked word is no very sure ground of faith to me 6. The maine difference now followeth to be spoken to He supposeth that our Ministers do all without the Spirit and their speakers do all in and by the Spirit As concerning Ours he must know that there are among them who depend upon the Lord in their preparation for preaching seeking by prayer from him what to say that he would lead them to and suggest unto them that mater and purpose which may be most for edification who when af●er Meditation and Prayer they have gote something to say give it up unto him that he may give it them to deliver or not as he thinketh good who depend upon Him even for Utterance and Expression who look to him and by faith depend upon Him in the delivery of what they had thought upon less or more that they may be helped to preach with that Fai●h Fear Awe Reverence Weightedness of heart Love Zeal and Faithfulness that becometh to his glory and to the edification of the Church who depend upon Him for the blessing knowing that all their words of Perswasion Conviction Rebuke Instruction expostulation and Consolation without the power and blessing of his Spirit concurring and carrying the same in upon the heart will prove ineffectual who receive with thankfulness what he offereth and suggesteth in the time of their preaching and with singleness declare it unto their hearers who often times being called to speak without fore-thoughts go in the strength of the Lord not seeking to commend themselves as able or learned ●en but to commend themselves to every mans conscience in the sight of God And who when they have finished their discourse give up all by faith into the hands of God that He may bless it as He thinketh good in Jesus Christ. He will possibly say That it is not thus with all and I shall readily grant it But will he be sa●isfied with this and account this spiritual preaching or preaching in the Spirit I suppose he will not be satisfied And then it is not to him sufficient though all should study and preach after this manner 7. Let us therefore a little examine his way He first would have all Study all Meditation all Prayer and wrestling with God in prayer for this with us is a maine part of study preparation laid aside Ministers going to the Assembly as naked and void of all knowledg of spiritual matters as if they had never heard of any such thing Then being Tabulae rasae they must introvert unto that Grace or Gift which is in them there receive their Call their Furniture their Preparation both in matter words whether with a text or place of Scripture whereupon to ground their discourse or to explaine and clear up or without any such passage as that inward teacher will Lastly when they are thus called and fitted by this thing within then they speak in the Spirit are acted by the Spirit But now to canvass this not mentioning that which was spoken to before to wit that by their way all are alike preachers and none must speak but such as are thus acted by the Spirit and all thus called and prompted may and must I shall propose these things to the Readers consideration 1. This Gift and Grace within is as we saw above no singular thing it is common to all men and women breathing to Turks and Pagans as well as to Christian Ministers And therefore can have no affinity with the Spiritual gifts which Christ giveth unto his Church and endueth his messengers with all that they may be enabled for the work of the ministry and for building up of his house nor hath it any affinity with the special and saving grace of God which Christ hath purchased for and bestoweth upon his redemed o●es For neither of these are common to all the children of men as the whole Scripture declareth far less can it have any affinity with the Spirit of God which Liveth Abideth and Worketh in the Justified Adopted and Sanctified children of God It can therefore be nothing else than the relicques of nature the natural light and natural Conscience which God hath left in every man So that all the qualifications which the Quaker Preachers have and seek for are but what a Pagan may have that hath a Natural Conscience and the Light of Common notions concerning a God-head and equity and right among men This dim darkened and now malignant light is the Magazine and Storehouse of all their Enduements and Qualifications this is the sole fountaine and spring of all their furniture sufficient I am sure for none but for Pagan-Preachers 2. Their Introverting unto this to consult this Goddess as the Pagans did turne-in to the Cels of Apollos to receive the Oracles hath a more diabolick aspect for what can it be that they would thus consult after they have unmanned themselves or laid aside all motions of Soul and Minde which is not natural nor practicable without diabolick assistance if it be as he saith but some Spirit And what Spirit can we suppose to be in Pagans and every Son of Adam before grace come and make a change but the God of this world 2 Cor. 4 4. the Prince of the power of the aire the Spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience Ephes. 2 3. and that strong man that keepeth the house Is it not then manifest that this introverting must be a real consulting with or giving themselves up unto the instructions and directions of this Prince of darkness If he say that they are Regenerated and so under the power and direction of the Spirit of God I Answere I have seen and considered what he saith upon this and have found that it is nothing but the operation of pure Nature wrought by the strength of corrupt and wicked Nature that is an enemy to the Gospel and to all the wayes of God and if this hath not been sufficiently evidenced above the Reader is free to judge And if nature and this Prince of darkness who hath now a soveraignity over all the unrenewed Sones of Adam can or will destroy the works of Satan and of Nature and embrace the Gospel and the Spirit of Christ according to the Gospel let all who understand and believe the Gospel judge 3. This Spirit then which acteth and mo●eth them or in them can be
nothing else if it be anything distinct from Nature seconded with and corroborated by fleshly Imaginations strong and proud Fancies raised and ra●ified Braines deluded Mindes and perturbated Affections together with the cooperations of the Spirit of darkness than the Devil acting moving and carrying them and speaking in them or by them as he seeth good for his owne corrupt ends All which is further confirmed by their stated and fixed Opposition to and irreconcileable Hatred at the Gospel of the grace of God and all the Ordinances of Jesus Christ manifested in their Preachments and scriblings for though corrupt nature and the carnal minde be enmity against God and neither is nor can be subject to his Law and cannot understand the things of God yet their bitter Opposition to all the wayes of Christ and their active indefatigable and industrious labour and paines to destroy so far as they can the whole Gospel and bring their proselytes back to Paganisme and their fury and rage transporting them to the hieght of Blasphemy against the pure doctrine of the Gospel of the grace of God saith to every considering person that there is something stronger then corrupt nature acting and driveing them even that wicked Enemy whose works Christ came to destroy This is plaine and manifest let them see to it And let the Reader now judge what for Preachers these are and whether their Talkers or our Preachers be most acted and led by the Spirit of God 8. Though what is said may be sufficient to obviat all that he can say either for himself or against us yet for further satisfaction let us state the question thus Whether Ministers in their preaching should act as Christians goe about the work with an holy and Christian dependance by faith in the use of lawful and approved meanes upon the Spirit of God for Furniture and Assistance or should waite for and expect immediat Impulses for all they say and do and never goe about this work in whole or in part but when and as they are thus immediatly Excited Prompted Acted Moved Carryed by the Spirit and speak nothing but what is thus immediatly and extraordinarily put into their mouth by the Spirit of God or rather is spoken by the Spirit useing them as meer organs If the question be thus stated though I know the Quakers will arrogat this last way unto themselves and assert this to be the only way now called for yet how far they are from it is manifest from what is said But as to the matter I assert the first and deny this last to be the way which Christ hath appointed My reasons are these 1. This would render all previous Paines Labour Study and Reading even of the Scriptures useless as to the work of preaching contrare to what is already said 2. Paul could not then have said as he doth 2 Tim. 2 vers 2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses the same commit thou to faithful men who shall be able to teach others also For to what purpose should there be such care had that sound doctrine be transmitted from one to another and the same committed to faithful and trusty persons who will faithfully preach and deliver the same to people if all must be done and carryed on by the immediat Inspirations and Motions of the Spirit 3. Nor was there any ground why the Apostle should say 1 Tim. 1 3 4. As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine neither give heed to fables c. Because such as must act by the immediat impulses of the Spirit can receive no charge from man nor regulate themselves in their teaching accordingly 4. Nor could Paul say to Timothy 1. Tim. 4 6 if thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things thou shalt be a good minister of Iesus Christ nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine whereunto thou hast attained For Timothy might have replied I cannot be stinted unto these doctrines which you desire me to put the brethren in remembrance of for I must speak as the Spirit speaketh in me and must receive all that I speak immediatly from the Spirit And he might have said also I cannot put others in remembrance of any thing for they must do as the Spirit acteth them 5. Nor could he give that command vers II. These things command and teach For the same reason as is manifest 6. Nor could he give him in charge as followeth vers 13 14 15 16. give attendance to reading to exhortation to ●octrine neglect not the gift that is in thee meditate upon these things give thy self wholly to them that thy profiteing may appear to all Take heed unto thy self and unto the doctrine continue in them for this one reply I must follow the motions of the Spirit would have made all null for there is no place left for attendance to Reading to exhortation to Doctrine for not Nelecting the gift for Meditation for Heeding the doctrine or continueing in it where all must be done by the immediat Impulses of the Spirit 7. Nor can such preachers as may and must do nothing but as the immediat Impulses of the Spirit acte them be rightly said to laboure in word and doctrine that is as the word importeth to labour painfully till they be wearied with much travail and toyl with strength and earnestness as Rowers with oars See Leigh's Critica sacra on the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet this word is used of ministers and of their work 1 Cor. 15 10. 16 16 Gal. 4 11. Phil. 2 16. 2 Thes. 5 12. 1 Tim. 5 17. 2 Tim. 2 6 8. There could be no ground for that heavy charge which is laid on Timothy 1 Tim. 5 21. I charge thee before God and the Lord Iesus Christ and the elect Angels that thou observe these things And againe 1 Tim. 6 13 14. I give thee charge in the sight of Go● who quickeneth all things and Christ Iesus who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession that thou keep this commandement without spot unrebukable until the appearing of the Lord Iesus Christ c. if ministers were to do nothing in their ministrie but as they were Acted Inspired Moved and Immediatly Influenced of the Spirit as every one may see 9. Nor was there place for that 1 Tim. 6 17 Charge them that are rich in this world that they be not high minded c. For Timothy might have said I must only speak as moved by the Spirit and am not master of my self 10. Nor for that ibid. vers 20. O Timothy keep that which is committed to thy trust c. For to what purpose might he have said seing I may not use it as I will but must do all as immediatly Acted 11. If matters were thus why did Paul say as he doth 2 Tim. 1 6. Wherefore I put thee in
remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God which is in thee seing gifts were of no use and the stirring up of gifts were in vaine because all without gifts or stirring up of gifts was to be done by the immediat impulses and motions of the Spirit 12. in vaine also should he have said as 2 Tim. 1 13 14. Hold fast the forme of sound words which thou hast heard of me That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost For he was to regard no forme of sound words nor take any notice of that goo● thing which was committed to him but do and say as he was acted and inspired 13. what roome is left by this opinion to that word 2 Tim 2 14. Of these things put them in remembrance charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words For he could remember them of nothing nor lay any charge upon them if they were to do all as the Spirit moved them 14. The following injunction vers 15. is made also use●ess by this way Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly divideing the word of truth For it taketh away all care and study in this matter and the preacher can make no other division of the word of truth than what is of and by the Spirit and that must alwayes be right 15 All that the Apostle sayeth 2 Tim. 3 14 15. should also be in vaine and to no purpose 16. If this way be the truth why did the Apostle say 2 Tim. 4 1 2. I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Iesus Christ who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom Preach the word be instant in season out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long suffering and doctrine might not Timothy have replied I have nothing to do with that charge I cannot I may not preach either in season or out of season nor can I Reprove Rebuke nor Exhort nor have I Doctrine wherewith to do it The Spirit doth all must move me and inspire me to every Doctrine Preaching Rebuke and Exhortation and that at every time and season 17. H●reby that should be also rendered useless which is said 2 Tim 4 5. But watch thou in all things endure afflictions do the work of an Evangelist make full proof of thy ministry 18. If this be the way why did Paul say to Titus Chap. 1 17 wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith seing Titus could have said againe I shall do as the Spirit moveth and more I cannot I may not 19. So it taketh away the force of Paul●s injunctions Tit. 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15. For Titus was to have his eye upon no Doctrine but speake what the Spirit moved him to speak nor was he to speak to either one or other age or sex or quality but as the Spirit acted him and what Uncorruptness Gravity Sincerity was requisite in his doctrine he was not to be anxious there about all would be so because dictated and inspired immediatly by the Spirit And what soun●ness of speach was requisite the Spirit would see to that and therefore he was not to regard what the Apostle enjoyned vers 15. These things speak and exhort and rebuke with all authority 20. The command Tit. 3 1 2. Put them in minde to be subject to Principalities c. must hereby be laid aside as not obligeing Titus who was purely to follow the Motions of the Spirit 21. How opposite unto this opinion is that word Tit. 3 8. This is a faithful saying and these things I will that thou affirme constantly What was not Titus to waite upon the motions of the Spirit 22. If matters be thus how could the Collossians say to Archippus take heed to the ministrie which thou ha●t received in the Lord that thou fulfil it seing Archippus was to follow the free and arbitrary motions of the Spirit 2● This opinion rendereth that injunction of Paul's unto the ministers of Thessalonica 1 Thes. 5 14. useless Now we beseech you brethren warne them that are unruly comfort the feble minded support the weak c. as to preaching 24. It would hence follow that all that such ministers spoke were infallibly true for what the Spirit speaketh through men or by men as his meer organs must of necessity be truth and nothing but truth and that certainly and infallibly and so must be esteemed of and regarded as Scripture 25. If the matter be thus it is all one thing whether the preacher be Young or Old a Childe or a M●n of experience for it is not he that speaketh but the Spirit in him yet Paul requireth that he that is put into the Ministrie be not a novice 1 Tim. 3 6. 26. Thus did the Prophets and Apostles preach● and declare their visions as und●r moral commands though they were under no such comman●s to receive the visions where they had no election Ier. 1 v. 17. 26 15. Esa. 6 8 9. Ier 15 19 20. 1 Cor. 9 16. 9. More might be said upon this head but this may suffice and I have said the more of it because they use to make it one of their common theames while they would in their popular discourses inveigh against the Ministrie seek to make it contemptible with people Let us now come and consider what he saith And first he beginneth to speak against the methode Pag. 249. And what is this methode Ministers are free to follow what method they think most edifying and are not bound to one certain prescribe● metho●e But sayes he when Christ sent his disciples to preach he told them they should not premeditate what to say nor speak of themselves but the Spirit should in the same houre teach them Mat. 10 20. Mark 13 11. Luk. ●2 vers 12. Ans. Knoweth he not that at that time Christ gave them their preaching with them telling them what they should say saying And as ●e go preach saying the Kingdom of heaven is at hand Mat. 10 7. Knoweth he not that in these places by him cited our Lord is speaking of their appearing before Magistrates and Higher powers where they might through fear and anxiety be so discomposed as not to know well how to speak in their owne defence and that our Lord addeth these words to free them of all anxiety about the matter But sayes he if it was so with them when standing before men much more in preaching when they stand before God Ans. This consequence is weak and contradicted by the Text it self where we see they had their sermon taught them before hand and beside when they were sent out to preach they knew what they were to say but when called before Magistrates they could not know before hand what questions might be proposed unto them and upon that account might be anxious and troubled which to prevent this promise is made
10. He proceedeth After the pouring forth of the Spirit Act. 2 4. they are said to speak as the holy Ghost gave utterance and not what they had studied Ans. It is very true The Apostles then gote their divinity and knowledge in the mysteries of the Gospel miraculously taught them by immediat Infusion and withall gote the gift of tongues to speak to all people and languages And such as would expect such teaching now may as well expect the extraordinary gift of tongues which the Apostles gote And who seeth not how absurd this is Beside what was granted to the Apostles was not granted to all the Church Officers in those dayes no not to Evangelists who were extraordinary let be to ordinary Pastours and Doctors Nay none of all the extraordinary officers had all that the Apostles had One thing I would learne of h●m Can he tell me when and wher● the●e Apostles did Introvert to the gift within them in order to the obtaining of these rare qualifications or to the preaching of the word If he cannot do this he will finde no ground for his methode in this that is said of the Apostles They were infallible and acted by an infallible Spirit in their Teachings and Writings thinks he that this is expected or required of all Ministers now Or thinks he that his Quaker-Pratters are such Whatever he may dreame the Christian world may see the contrary What he citeth out of Lambertus I freely assent unto for my part 11. Next he tels us Pag. 250. § 19. That our way of preaching is hurtful and destructive because contrare to the nature of the Christian and Apostolicke Mini●trie 1 Cor. 1 17. Wherein It is not by the motion and acting of the Spirit but by mens Invention and eloquence by natural strength and acquired learning the Apostles preaching was not so 1 Cor. 2 3 4 5. Ans. The Spirit helping by ordinary meanes is not contrary to himself helping in an extrao●dinary way The Apostles way was peculiar to themselves It is a groundless imagination to think that all that is spoken by dependence upon God in the use of ordinary meanes and not by immediat Inspiration is wisdom of words making the Cross of Christ of none effect or is entiseing words of mans wisdome opposite to the demonstration of the Spirit and of power If any man study painted words and rhetorick to darken the wisdom of Go● in this mystery I will not approve of it but to study to finde out acceptable words as the Preacher did Eccles. 12 10. And words to render the Gospel plaine and intelligible to the hearers with a single dependance on God for his assistance herein I shall never think that Paul condemned this But sayes he the Preachers themselves confess that they are strangers to the Spirit of God and to his Operations Ans. Not all I hope though I hope also that none of them will with these bold and blasphemous Quakers pretend to immediat Inspirations This Quaker it seemeth knoweth nothing of the workings of the Spirit of God in and by meanes and will have all by immediat Revelations and Inspirations and before he want these he will go to the Devil to get them as Saul did go to the witch at Endor when the Lord would not answere him by the meanes then usual 12. Againe he sayes Pag. 251. It is contrare to the order and methode of the primitive Church 1 Cor. 14 20. c. Not considering that these were extraordinary Prophets Readeth he that these Prophets did Introvert into the light within them to get these Revelations However we see that Quakers are all Prophets in their owne account But sure I am they are not Prophets of the living God nor are the Revelations which they boast of divine but diabolick His last argum is that by our way the Spirit of God is excluded What way He tels us not and we can not beleeve him But he addeth And the natural wisdom and learning of man is exalted This is his mistake which he could see if the beam were out of his eye All their learning and wisdome is the pure product of Nature if not worse as we have oftentimes manifested for it cometh not from the Spirit of God neither mediatly nor immediatly but riseth out of the dung hill of nature and is extracted thence by the natural strength of man and all its works and effects are like the cause and original except where the Devil getteth in his finger in a more immediat way This is sayes he the chiefe and great cause why preachings are so unfruitful Poor man knoweth he no better Did not Christ and his Apostles preach to many that were not converted thereby Thinks he that the only cause why our preachings are so unfruitful is because we preach not by Inspiration And are their preachments so fruitful It may be too fruitful but that is no proof to me that they preach by the true Revelations and Inspirations of God for I read that when the Lord sends strong delusions men will beleeve a lie I read that all the world wondered after the Bea●t I have heard it said too that all the world became Arian All the world is not yet become Quakers see also what is said 2 Pet. 2 1 2 3. Yea sayes he according to this doctrine the Devil himself may and ought to be heard seing he knoweth the notion of truth and excelleth any of them in learning and eloquence we see when the Devil confessed the truth Christ rejected his testimony Ans Why doth the man thus speak untruth Do we say that every one though he were the Devil if he speak truth should be heard What countenance do●h our opinion in this matter give to this dreame I should think his judgment speaketh fairer for it for I trow the Devil needs no● study nor read books but can give out Revelations and Enthusiasmes as many as you will And be it in whomsoever he speaketh by Revelations or Inspirations or Enthu●iasmes Quaker or other Christ and his Apostles will reject his testimony though it should be true upon the matter And therefore after the example of Christ and his Apostle Paul we receive no testimony from Quakers themselves giving such palpable evidences of the Devil speaking in them and by them 13. To an Objection taken from the experience of all ages since the Apostles dayes to wit that God by his Spirit hath concurred with our way of preaching to the conversion and edification of many He answereth § 20. thus That though he will not deny this yet it will not follow that that practice was good more then it was good for Paul to go to Damascus to persecute the Saints because he did meet with Christ in the way Answ. His simile is a dissimilitude and hath no correspondence with the thing in hand Our Argument is That since the Apostles dayes and the ceasing of extraordinary gifts there hath been no other way of preaching but
requisite for the right performance of that duty Rom. 8 26 27. Psal. 10 17. Zach. 12 10. And therefore in the very description of prayer Quest. 178. the help of the Spirit is taken in We owne as absolutely necessary unto the right performance of this duty the Influences of the Spirit of God putting the heart in a frame for the work stirring up blowing upon and enlivening his graces in the soul and contributing his assistance in the carrying on and performance of it But the Motions and Inspirations which he pleadeth for as the only ground and call to the action and which we do not owne nor expect are the extraordinary and immediat Impulses of the Spirit carrying the soul forth unto the duty such as the Prophets had when inspired to write Scripture and to declare the minde of the Lord in several cases And as to this I see no ground to assert that even the Apostles who had an extraordinary measure of the Spirit of grace and of supplication and of the ordinary Influences and Assistances of the holy Ghost in this duty were thus alwayes called and carryed forth unto this duty of prayer I meane by these extraordinary Impulses and physical Motions of the Spirit which they could not withstand but yeeld unto or by these immediat Revelations calling them to the discharge of this duty hic nunc What might be and possibly was at some certain times and occasions I determine not but that which I affirme is that I see no ground to assert that to all their acts of Preaching and Prayer they had an immediat and extraordinary Revelation Inspiration and Impulse calling them forth and setting them on to the duty hic nunc so as they never acted therein upon the ground of a moral command or were pressed thereto out of conscience to a command or from the consideration of an ordinary call whether because of the work they were about or the circumstances of time place and accasion inviteing thereunto or the like 3. But why supposeth he that we account all motions of the Spirit unnecessary It is because we have certain and prescribed times viz. before and after sermon morning and evening in private devotion before and after meate Ans. This is the old plea of Familists but though we owne no Canonick houres nor the superstitious observation of fixed times and places for this or any other religious act of worshipe knowing that we are every where to pray lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting 1 Tim. 2 8. and to continue instant in prayer Rom. 12 vers 12. and to pray without ceasing 1 Thes. 5 17. and that we ought alwayes to pray with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit and to watch thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints Ephes. 6 18. And therefore dar not restrick the exercise of this duty to determinat times and places invented and prescribed by men without warrand from God Yet we say there are special times wherein the Lord calleth for this duty not only times of trouble Psal. 50 15. times of affliction Iam. 5 13. times of mourning Esai 22 12 13. Ioel 2 12 17. Esth. 4 3. Ezra 9. Neh. 9. Dan. 9. Ier. 31 9. and the like but also solemne times as when the Lord is solemnly to be worshiped in the assemblies of his people as 1 Cor. 11 4 5 13. Act. 2 ver 42. and other occasions when either the work we are about or the season calleth for it for Nature it self teacheth and Christian prudence saith that when we are assembled to the solemne worshipe of God prayer ought to be offered up unto God and that to do it before and after sermon is most suteable and corresponding with Christian order and decency which ought carefully to be observed in the whole worshipe of God 1 Cor. 14 40. and the work of preaching and hearing which ought to be gone about with all Reverence Attention Faith Understanding and Seriousness Iam. 1 21 22. Act. 10 33. Mat. 13 19. Heb. 4 2. Esa. 66 2. calleth for prayer to God for his blessing and breathing without which the work will be fruitless and that both before and after when withall there ought to be an Acknowledgement of our unworthiness and of Gods rich mercy and grace following us with such gracious opportunities and a serious begging of pardon for sinnes committed both before and in the work of Preaching and Hearing so that all things plead for the performance of this duty then As also the very law and light of nature would call for a solemne Acknowledgment of God by Prayer and Supplication Morning and Evening and oftner too and that fixedly providing no dispensation of providence occurring did call off for that time and that both by families and by private persons in secreet Ier. 10 25. Deut. 6 6 7 8. Iob 1 5. 2 Sam. 6 18 20. 1 Pet. 3 7. Act. 10.2 Hence we read of praying in the morning Psal. 5 3. 88 13. 119 147. and evening Psal. 141 2. and of morning and evening both Psal. 55 17. and of day time and night Psal. 22 2. Yea we read of prayer performed three times a day Psal. 55 17. Dan. 6 10. 9 4. And the morning and evening sacrifices wh●ch were offered under the Law do point this forth to speak nothing of that solemne houre of prayer Act. 3 1. And that word in the Paterne of prayer taught by Christ give us this day our daily bread Mat. 6 11. saith that prayer is a duty daily to be performed And as for our acknowledgment of God in the use of his good creatures the very light of nature might instruct us as to this and that petition in the paterne of prayer but now mentioned pointeth forth this duty which is also clearly laid upon us by that word of Paul's 1 Tim. 4 4 5. For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer and the example of Christ and of Paul is not I suppose to be slighted see Mark. 6 41. Ioh. 6 11. Act. 27 35. By all which we see that the Christian observation of times and occasions for this duty of prayer is well consistent with the ordinary Motions and Inspirations of the Spirit which we owne and are to laboure for in the discharge of this duty but are utterly repugnant to and inconsistent with these extraordinary and immediat Calls and Impulses wh●ch he looketh upon as the only warrand of performance of the duty And hereby it is also manifest what unfriends they are unto this great and necessary duty of Prayer and what an irreligious Religion that is which they owne and profess and what a tendency their doctrine hath to banish Prayer away which is the native and kindly breathing of the Spirit of Adoption Gal. 4 6. Rom. 8 15. and is the distinguishing Mark of the
people● of God from the wicked that do not call upon him Ier. 10 25. Psal. 10 4. 14 4. and the neglect thereof hath been charged by the Lord upon his owne people Esa. 43 22 Hos. 7 7. and acknowledged by them as their sin Esai 64 7. Dan. 9.13 4. Yet he granteth that prayer is Profitable and necessary a duty commanded of God frequently to be gone about by Christians What would he then be at But sayes he as without Christ we can do nothing so neither can we pray without the help of the Spirit And this is very true But will this say any thing against what we hold Or make any thing for his way Knoweth he no difference betwixt the ordinary and usual Assistance of the Spirit without which we can do nothing aright and that extraordinary Impulse of the Spirit which he would be at and supposeth to be the only lawful call unto this duty and really taketh away all conscience of duty or obligation to it Nay doth he think that that more ordinary assistance of the Spirit Prepareing Disposeing and Frameing the heart for the work by blowing away the ashes from the coal of grace within stirring up the graces of his Spirit enlarging the heart giving a deep sense of unworthiness and necessities setting faith love zeal and fervency a work and so putting the soul in case to sail faire before the winde doth he think I say that this work of the Spirit is the only ground and call to the performance of this duty and that till this be once there is no warrand to set about it or attempt it When we heare his proofs for this we shall consider them At present I shall only say That as there is nothing in all the word giving ground for this conjecture so the frequently reiterated command of God which himself acknowledgeth and which we finde not qualified and restricted as some commands are laying on an obligation taketh all coloure for such a pretence quite away the word of command being our rule the obligation to duty flowing therefrom is not enfringed by the Lords free not-blowings or restrainings of the Influences of his Spirit wherein he acteth according to the good pleasure of his will sometimes out of meer soveraignity because so it seemeth good in his eyes sometimes in way of holy Justice punishing for misimproving his former breathings for not watching over the heart nor guarding against such sinnes as grieve the Spirit These motions of the Spirit are no rule to us being the free and arbitrary actings of the Lord who giveth an account of his matters to none The Law is our fixed rule and by this opinion the Law and Command of God is made of none effect for to all injunctions this shifting returne might be given Let the command be never so peremptour and pressing Yet till the Spirit breath first and act upon me I can do nothing and therefore am under no obligation And thus all conscience of and mourning for sin all godly sorrow for our indisposition for neglect of the duty and all serious and earnest prayer and wrestling with God for his breathing and gracious quickenings are taken away and a plaine path made for Neligence Security Indifferency and Deadness And if this hold as to prayer it will hold also as to all other Christian duties Yea and to all duties enjoyned by the law and light of nature for neither can we performe these acceptably and in a gracious manner without the special Breathings and Communications of divine Influence and Assistance and so until such quickning upstirring breathings gales of the Spirit come we are not to love God nor our neighbour to eate drink and sleep nor may the labouring man plow or sowe nay nor must we abstaine from murther adultery incest and other wickednesses that the very light of a natural conscience condemneth as if all those commands were not given to us as rational creatures under subjection or as Christians under the law and command of the Gospel but only as creatures and Christians so and so spiritually qualified and disposed and as if the Lord 's gracious communications which are acts of soveraigne grace let out freely according to his owne will and pleasure without the least of our deservings were to restrick and limite the obligation of his lawes and as if his free restrainings and withdrawings of these qualifying and disposeing influences did put a check unto and controle his Authority as King Lawgiver Whatever this man may think of this I can put no other construction upon it than that it is a turning of the grace of God unto lasciviousness This same was the opinion of Swenckfeldus H. Nicholas the Father of the Family of love Iohn Waldesse the Antinomians of N. England of Del Saltmarsh 5. He tels us next in order to the clearing of the question Pag. 253. That there is an inward and an outward Prayer Answ. We know there is a speaking to God in the heart when the voice is not heard 1 Sam 1 13. Neh. 2 4. there are ejaculatory Prayers swift postes sent to heaven in thoughts sighes and groanes Rom. 8 26. Psal. 6 6. 12 5. 79 11. And there is a speaking to God with words a glorifying of him with our glory and tongue Psal. 57 8. 108 1. which we are here mainly to consider being speaking of solemne worshipe but this though outwardly as to the expressions differenced from the other yet not rightly separated for in all Prayer the heart must speak to God for Prayer is an offering up of our desires to God Psal 62 8. and in publick and solemne Prayer the heart must so speak as the tongue must speak also and the gift of Prayer be imployed for the solemne and professed glorifying of God and for the edifying of others who must hear and concurre 1 Cor. 14 14 15 16 17. Let us hear how he explaineth these Inward Prayer sayes he is that secret introversion of soul which being secretly done and the Light of Christ being wakened in the conscience and so being humbled in the sense of sin and unworthiness breaths to God and sendeth up constantly secret desires unto Him and to this he applyeth Luk. 18 v. 1. 1 Thes. 5 v. 17. Ephes. 6 18. Luk. 21 v. 36. Answ. That there are secrete groanings and breathings unto God I have showne That to these sense of sin and unworthiness as also sense of want and dependence on God is requisite with Faith Love Zeal Submission and other graces I teadily grant and hence inferre that if the places by him cited command this as I think they do and also a constant habitual frame and disposition for Prayer with a readiness to go about it on all occasions offered without disputing or delay and that with constancy and perseverance we cannot shift this inward Prayer upon pretence of the want either of a gracious frame through the breathing of the
Spirit or yet of a secret strong and extraordinary impulse But as to that introversion whether he make it inward Prayer or only a preparation to it his words give us no distinct account remembering what was said of it above we can neither look upon it as inward Prayer except it be inward Prayer to corrupt nature or to the Devil and so utterly abominable seing all our prayer is to be unto God only and to none else Mat. 4 10. Rom. 10 14. Deut. 6 13. 10 20. not as any fit preparation to prayer for as he did describe it to us before it did unman and unchristian the man taking away all Sense and Reason all actions of Minde and Understanding yea and all sense of sin and wants And further this Light of Christ is but the Light of Nature and of a natural Conscience which is common to all Men as such and so not that Light of Christ which is purchased by him for all his owne and is conveyed in and by the New Covenant of grace the method wher of is that a soul be first interessed in Christ by true faith and united unto him and then enjoy the benefites and blessings promised So that all this wakened light of the con●cience being but what is natural is no gracious preparation unto a serious approaching unto God by prayer through Jesus Christ of whom the man in whom he supposeth this wakening to be after this Introversion is wholly ignorant having never so much as heard of him Nay what he addeth a little thereafter giveth us a more clear discovery of the nau●htiness h●reof as sayes he this inward prayer is necessary at all times so man so long as the day of his visitation lasteth wanteth not an influence more or less unto its practice for the soul is sooner introverted and considereth it self in the presence of God than it prayeth thus in part For not to enquire of him whether a soul can make this introversion while the man is sleeping and so can pray inwardly or not nor to speak any more of that day of visitation of which we said enough above Chap. IX this is enough to discover of what nature it is that every man Jew Heathen Barbarian c. hath influences fitting for it and so it may be gone about without grace in the heart and without the least rumore of Christ coming to the eare yea it is in part done when the soul but introverts that is when the man goeth in to himself he goeth out to God or rather he goeth in to the God that is within him the God of this world the Prince of the power of the aire the Spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience for in the presence of what God else can the introverted Pagan consider himself who is without Christ an alien from the common wealth of Israel a stranger from the Covenants of promise having no hope and without God in the world Ephes. 2 12. And who walk in the vanity of their minde having the understanding darkened being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them because of the blindness or hardness of their heart who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness to work all uncleanness with greediness Ephes. 4 17 18 19 6. But what meaneth he by Outward Prayer He saith This is when the soul sisting in this exercise of Introversion and feeling the Inspiration of the divine Spirit receiveth the powerfully inflowing power and liberty the motion and influence of the Spirit being superadded either of emitting ejaculations to himself in the heart though not in an audible distinct voice or of speaking by words or groans and that either in publick assemblies or privately or under degustation or tasteing Answ. Not to take notice that speaking by groanes not being by any distinct articular voice which others can understand might rather be referred to inward prayer seing none can thereby particularly understand what the desire of the soul is but God who knoweth the thoughts of the heart Nor to trouble myself to search after the meaning of this Quaker degustation which is made a state of prayer distinct both from publick and private prayer and yet can by no etymology import solitary prayer I take notice 1. That he speaketh of ejaculations without any audible distinct voice as belonging to this outward prayer and as distinct from inward prayer whereby we perceive that the breathings or spirations of the soul unto God in the introversion which formerly he mentioned while speaking of inward prayer were not ejaculations of desires to God but something necessarily previous and what that is he would do well to explaine 2. What meaneth he by ejaculations emitted to mans self 〈◊〉 in corde ejaculationes emittend● Are ejaculatory prayers to be darted up to a mans self This looks like a piece of Quaker idolatry for prayer as we heard even ejaculatory is to be performed to God alone And how differeth this from a mans communing with his owne heart P●al 4 4. Eccles. 1 16. Psal. 77 6 But 3. We see that to publick prayer this Introversion is requisite as he more fully affirmeth afterward and that this Introversion was either humanely impracticable or diabolick we cleared above Chap. XXII And beside this simple Introversion there must be a continueing in it and how long I know not He tels us himself that sometimes all the time of their publick worshipe is spent about this Introversion and it issueth in neither Prayer nor Preaching 4 Beside this Introversion he sayes there must be the Inspiration of the Spirit and not only that but a feeling of the same Inspiration But what is this Inspiration Is this a blowing of the Spirit upon his owne saving graces in the soul No that it cannot be for this Inspiration may be where ever this Introversion is and this Introversion may be in those who are yet without the Covenant with promises so that it can be nothing but some perception of the Light of Nature and dictats of a natural Conscience if it be not the breathings of the Spirit of darkness working in the soul. 5. Beside all this there is a superadded motion and influence of the Spirit but for what end he tels us not nor cleareth he to us how it is distinguished from the Inspiration unless by the Inspiration he meaneth the immediate Impulse extraordinarily setting the soul to work and by this Influence a power or work of the Spirit qualifying or fitting the soul for the duty But then 6. What can be the import of that powerfully inflowing efficacy and liberty to speak in words c And how differeth this from what was said before But now when we have heard this unintelligible description of outward prayer we would desire one passage of Scripture or instance to clear and confirme the same to us for the braine-sick non-sensical dictates of Quakers are neither a Rule nor Confirmation to us of
any thing in the matters of God 7. If he had spoken here as he speaketh a little afterward of the Lords powring forth a Spirit of Prayer and exciteing his people to it he had been better understood for we acknowledge with thankfulness the Lord hath made such a promise and doth performe it unto his owne by his Spirit moveth and exciteth their drouzie and sleeping souls to a serious calling upon him Cant. 5 4 6. But that this is common to all as well without as within the Church as well such as never heard of Christ as those who are truely unite unto him by faith or to all who can make this Introversion is a quakeristick antiscriptural dream And beside what will this contribute unto the maine business to wit to prove that there ought to be no prayer in publick or in private till this sensible Impulsion Excitation and Influence with liberty come an● set the soul and all its wheels agoing And what will this say against calling upon God at times and seasons by him appointed His saying Pag 254. that praying to God without the feeling of the Influences of the Spirit were a coming unto God without due preparation and so a tempting of him Is but a groundless imagination and is ill helped by his Introversion for the Lord no where requireth such a preparation in us before we pray He no where saith that we must not pra● but when we feel his influences yea the sense of the want of them is ground and warrand for his children to go and seek to him for them Hence we finde David so oft Psal. 119. crying for quickening vers 25 40 88 107 154 159. See also the Church crying for this preparation Psal. 80 vers 18. quicken us and we will call upon thy name as also Psal. 143 vers 11. But this mans preparation is a meer Pelagian preparation wrought by the strength of nature and which a Pagan may attaine unto by his owne industry and paines Nay if this were true all the commands to pray which are innumerable in Scripture were useless and might be eluded by this we dar not pray till we feel the influences of the Spirit and when they come to excite us and drive us to the duty then we shall goe but then where would obe●ience appear for to goe when the Spirit driveth is not filial obedience for then nothing is done out of conscience to a command This way is the loose way of Libertines making the law of God of none effect taking away all conscience of sin in this matter looseing the wicked from obedience to the Law putting the blame of all not-praying on the Spirit who breatheth not and breatheth not so as we may feel it This excuse of the Quaker to wit fear of tempting God is like Ahaz's colouring his disobedience to the command of God with this I will not ask neither will I tempt the Lord Iesa 7 12. The ground of all this is the Pelagian maxime which this man hath laid downe as a principal ground of all his Religion to wit That God requireth no duty of us but what we have full and compleat strength to do if we will use it Yet he tels us afterward that they sin who neglect to pray But wherein lyeth their sin In this sayes he that they turne not into that place where they may feel that whereby they may be led to pray Ans. Though I plead not for rash and inconsidera● rushing into the presence of God knowing that this is another extremity to be shunned yet there is a midst betwixt this and a waiting till extraordinary Impulses come or till we feel the Influences of the Spirit And as for that Introversion or turning-in to that place which he speaketh of he must cleare it and prove it better to me than he hath done before I can say that it is any mans duty to do so and that in order to prayer or any other commanded duty And then seing he told us before that they may be long Introverted and yet the Spirit not suffer them to pray the duty is not done and they want not the preparation and so are guiltles How then can all the non-performance of this duty be charged on this He saith afterward God may ofttimes call and invite to prayer an● th●y through negligence do not heare Which is very true whether we speak of the call and invitation of his word or by passages of his providence clearing up the present exigent but will he say that this was all which he meaned by the inspiration superadded motion and influence powerfully inflowing strength and liberty to pray given by the Spirit to the soul sisted in this Introversion And is this the exciteing with the poureing out the Spirit of prayer which he talketh of Is this the drawing of the Spirit which he spoke of in this same Pag What incons●stancies are the●e 8. After this confused and inconsistent yea self-destroying stating of the question he cometh Pag. 225. § 22. to prove their method in praying And first he citeth these passages where watching is joyned with prayer such as Mat. 2 42. Mark 13 33. 14 38. Luk. 21 36 Ans. Put Mat 24 42. maketh no mention of prayer We willingly grant that Watching and Prayer should go together and that we sh●uld watch in prayer Col. 4 vers 2. and unto prayer 1 Pet. 4 7. But this waching is not Introversion but quite opposite thereunto This watching is an exerciseing of all the sanctified powers and faculties of the soul to keep the heart in a right frame to guard against all temptations tending to slacken diligence in this duty or to marre the right discharge of it and a watching unto all opportunities of setting about this duty and so a plaine careful circumspection and eyeing of adversaries both within and without And so hath no affinity with their abstracting from all Exercises Thoughts and Motions of soul a●d minde and going in to consult we know not well what No sayes he this watching can be nothing but the souls attending on the Spirit that it may feel him leading unto prayers and so watch that opportunity Ans. This is the thing which he should prove and not poorly beg Though we willingly grant there are kindly motions of the Spirit fixing the heart and oyling it for this duty and stirring up the leazie sleeping soul through preventing grace and such sweet opportunities should not be carelesly looked to but the thing which he should prove is that the soul should never set about this duty of Prayer till it feel all this and be sure of it and that this may be attained and felt the soul is to go in by his Introversion to natures light or to common ●ifts within which Pagans have as well as Christians or to some Demon. And when he shall bring some Scripture evidence to prove this we shall consider it 9. He citeth next Rom. 8 26 27. by which
indeed we learne that it is the Spirit that must helpe and teach us how and for what to pray and must quicken those graces in us which are requisite unto the right performance of this duty but how it can prove his method by Introversion and there waiting for the drawings and impulses of the Spirit which we must feel before we set about the duty I see not Yea I think the text clearly enough importeth the contrary to wit that when the honest believer out of conscience to the command with the little strength and ability he hath is aimeing at the duty and setting about it the Spirit cometh with seasonable help and helpeth his infirmities and maketh intercession for him with groanes that cannot be uttered and this the greek word importeth to wit the Spirit 's lifting at the load lest the beleever should be crushed under it see Calvin and Beza on the place But he frameth an argument thus Pag. 256. If man knoweth not how he should pray nor can he pray without the help of the Spirit then he prayeth in vaine without him But the former is true Therefore Ans. What will this conclusion do for his purpose It cometh not neare to what he should prove by many stages Will he hence inferre Therefore man should not pray until he feel the Impulses Motions Influences and Drawings of the Spirit By the like consequence one might prove from Psal. 127 1 2. That no man should put to his hand to build and no man should set a watch upon the wales of a besieged city and no man should laboure in his ordinary calling till he finde the influenceing motions and concurrence of the Spirit pouseing him forward and driveing him to the work But how ridiculous this is every one knoweth To tell a dream is sufficient to refute it 10. He citeth next Ephes. 6 18. and Iud vers 20. And inferreth that that is as much as if he had said ye must never pray without watching unto it Ans. Because we are commanded to love the Lord withall our heart soul and minde c. will he say that that is as much as if it were said ye must never love the Lord except it be with all your heart c So he may say we should never pray except we pray with all prayer and we should never watch unto prayer except we watch with all perseverance and supplication for all saints for these things are in the text too But againe though we should never pray without the Spirit will it hence follow that we should never set about the duty till first we feel the Leadings Driveings Motions and Inspirations of the Spirit And then lastly Though we should never pray without watching unto it how will it follow that we should never pray without an Introversion These things hang together like ropes of sand What sayes he to the place of Iude Iude sayes he demonstrateth that prayers in the holy Ghost are those whereby the Saints are built up in their most holy faith And what then Are no prayers meanes to build up saints in their most holy faith but such as are gone about after we have Introverted and felt the Influence Inspirations Leadings and Drawings of the holy Ghost This is like the rest of the Quakers consequences loose and sandy 11. He citeth 1 Cor. 12 3. No man can say that Iesus is the Lord but by the holy Ghost And thence inferreth far less can he be called upon acceptably without him And what is this to the pointe Say we that any can pray acceptably without the Spirit It is one thing to pray without the gracious and ordinary influences of the Spirit helping our infirmities and another thing to pray with the feelings of the Impulses Motions Leadings Pouseings and Driveings of the Spirit When will he conclude this last which is the thing he should conclude He addeth Paul 1 Cor. 14 t 15. said he would pray in the Spirit And so should we all do and with understanding too But this is an evident Testimony saith he that he did not use to Pray without the Spirit Answ. Though the consequence be not good yet I think the consequent is true But where sayes the Apostle that except he felt the Motions and Drawings Inspirations of the Spirit that after he had Introverted he would not pray And when he writteth to the Churches and press●th them to pray for him 1 Thes 5 vers 25. 2 Thes. 3 1. Heb. 13 18. 2 Cor. 1 11 Phil. 1 19. Rom. 15 30. Philem. 22. Col 4 3. Where addeth he that clause If ye feel after an Introversion the Inspirations Motions Influences and powerfully inflowing might and liberty so that they might not attempt it otherwayes Let him cleare this and win the cause 12. He addeth All prayers without the Spirit are abomination Prov. 28 vers 9. Answ. Though that be true of the wicked yet I durst not say they were not called to pray seing it is a command of Natures Law See Esai 55 6. Ps. 107 19 28. Exod 22 23 Iob 8 5. 36 13. Ier. 36 7. 42 9. Not to mention the word of Peter to Simon Magus of which afterward I know the plowing of the wicked is sin Prov. 21 4. Must therefore say the wicked man must never plow The sacrifice of the wicked was also an abomination Prov. 15 v. 8. 21 27. was it therefore a good consequence under the Law that such persons should have brought no sacrifices Knoweth he not that the substance of an act may be good and yet for want of several things not be accepted at the hands of the wicked We know that in many things we offend all but he dreameth of perfection He addeth 1 Ioh. 5 14. and thence inferreth but if they seek not according to his will they have no cause to be confident that he will heare them Which is very true when they seek any thing that is not consonant to his revealed will But what then His adversaries sayes he grant that prayers without the Spirit are not according to the will of God We grant indeed that as to the manner such prayers are not according to the command but Iohn is not speaking of the manner of prayer but of the thing prayed for What will he say next To command any to pray without the Spirit is to command them to see without eye work without hands or walk without feet Answ. I knew we should land at Pelagianisme Nay he is worse than Pelagius for Pelagius only said that whatever God commanded us to do he gave us sufficient strength to do it with all but this man saith except we know and feel that we have not only sufficient but all working strength we have nothing to do with the command nay except the Spirit which must do all come and move carry and drive us forward yea and we feel it and know it we are not once to take notice of the command
that if this man will speak consequentially he must come to this at length for he will never be able to loose the connexion 17. Another Objection is That thus a man may neglect prayer all his dayes alleiging the Spirit hath not moved him to it And indeed the Quakers doctrine hath a direct tendency to the utter neglect and laying aside of all the worshipe of God what answereth he He should come to that place or state where he may feel the Spirit leading him That is he should Introverte but when he hath Introverted he can pretend the Spirit doth not yet breath as themselves do sometimes They sin sayes he in not praying but the cause hereof is they watch not Nay for themselves Watch and Introverte and yet pray not Our adversaries say sayes he that no unworthy person should come to the sacrament of the Supper such as know themselves unprepared should absteane and so though it be a duty to come to this sacrament yet it is necessary that they first examine themselves Ans. 1. The use of this Sacrament is a part of instituted worshipe and so may have its owne limitations conditions restrictions according to the will of the Instituter it is not so with prayer which is a piece of moral natural worshipe incumbent to all by the very law of Nature The Scripture saith indeed let a man examine himself and so let him eat but the Scripture saith not let a man Introverte and so let him pray Under the law no stranger was to eate of the Paschal lamb till he and his males were first circumcised can he shew us any such condition put upon strangers in reference to praying unto God 2. In the matter of the sacrament there is a previous condition required of comers and when that condition is performed they must come or else sinne but the cond●tion which he requireth in the matter of prayer may he performed and yet the person may not must not pray For though a man introvert and do all that is required of him in order to prayer yet he must not pray until the Spirit draw and inspire him So that his simile halteth miserably 18. To the Objection taken from Peters enjoyning prayer to Simon magus Act. 8 22. He saith That Peter bids him first repent and the least measure of this cannot be without some introversion Ans. Peter bids him not repent in order to prayer but repent and pray in order to pardon and so though he was in the gall of bitterness yet it was as well his duty to pray as to repent But I see with our Quaker a graceless person can repent but he cannot pray nature can help him sufficiently to repent but he must have some more before he be in case to pray or under an obligation to pray with him 2. Though the least measure of repentance could not be without this Introversion Yet what would that avail Simon Magus though he had Repented Introverted too might not pray until the Spirit Inspired him and Acted and Drew him if our Quaker speak truth And so Peter was mistaken to enjoyne him to pray and shoul● have said Repent and when thou art introverted waite for the Spirit to draw and inspire thee to prayer and then pray and not till then 19. The last Objection is Many prayers begun without the Spirit become afterward affectual yea the prayers of some wicked persons as of Ahab have been heard and accepted Ans. Of Ahabs humbling himself and fasting c. I read but I hear not of his prayers but as to the first part of the Objection I think it strong and considerable For who of the saints have not found it true that though they have gone about this duty without these previous impulses yet have gote a sat●sfying answere Yet he answereth Acts of divine indulgence are no rule of our actions The wicked are oft sensible of the motions and influences of the Spirit bef●re their day of visitation expire and by those motions they may some time pray acceptably not remaining wholly impious but thus entering into the beginnings of piety from which afterward they fall away Ans. 1. Acts of divine indulgence so frequently manifested are stron● inducements and encouragments and when they are conforme to a gracious promise they confirme the rule which we walk by and sufficiently evince that there is no rule to the contrary 2. The motions and influences that wicked persons living without the Church are sensible of are nothing but the stirrings of a natural conscience and such as some within the Church meet with who remaine ungodly are but common and not special and saving 3. If they be such as will warrant acceptable prayer they must be indeed special and saving strong and mighty Influences and Inspirations giving great power and liberty and that after a serious Introversion according to his doctrine 4. Now at length we see that all the great business of preparation for prayer by Introversion by the Inspirations Impulses Motions Influences and Drawings of the Spirit is just nothing but what a wicked wretch or a Pagan is capable of 5. As for his day of visitation and falling away from grace which here he minceth by calling it only beginnings of piety we have said enough above of both CHAP. XXV Of singing Psalmes 1. AS to singing of Psalmes he speaks but little Pag. 262. § 26. granting it a part of divine worshipe and sweet and pleasant when coming from the sense of God's love in the heart and when it ariseth from the divine influence of the Spirit whether it be in words of Davids Psalmes or of the songs of others such as Zachary Simeon and Mary And I need to say the less seing I have said enough of this elsewhere This man if he plaseth may take some notice thereof in my last book on the Sabbath where I am speaking of the right sanctification of that day in publick I grant we are to sing with grace in our hearts to the Lord Col. 3 16. and we are to make melody in our heart to the Lord Ephes. 5 19. But I dar not say that no man must sing but he who hath the sense of Gods love in the heart seing I finde so many Psalmes sung that were of a far other straine as for example David's Penitential Psalmes as they are called such as Psal. 6. 32. 38. 51. c. as also that of Heman Psal. 88 and others As for the influence of the Spirit I acknowledge that without that neither this nor any other piece of worshipe can be rightly performed but that neither this nor any other part of religious worshipe should be gone about till there come an Impulse of the Spirit or till the soul finde it self in a fit frame is that which I deny for reasons given in the foregoing Chapter 2. What are then his exceptions against our singing of Psalmes There is no footstep saith he in the Scriptures
of our formal and common way of singing Answ. The Scripture mentioneth singing and commandeth us to sing but it is true prescribeth not this or that particular mode of singing but leaveth that to our liberty that it may be done according to the general rules of the word that is that it be done with gravity in a way suteable to the worshipe of God without vanity lightness and affectation and such I suppose is our manner Will he sing none till he finde what mode of singing is particularly prescribed in the word I fear he shall then lay it aside altogether or will he waite till the Spirit inspire the notes and manner as the matter where is his warrand for this is there a promise of such a communication 3. He saith next our way hath this peculiar abuse attending it that thereby frequently horride and abominable lies are uttered unto God while every profane wreatch must personate David's condition and others also must sing Psal. 22 15. 6 7. Answ. But he little considereth that the same abuse if it be an abuse did attend their singing of old as well as now for these same Psalmes and particularly Psal. 6. ●2 were put into the hands of the chiefe musician and so were to be sung publickly by others And we conceive the same of the rest that want this express title because of what we read 1 Chron. 16 17. for there the 1●5 Psalm which in the book of the Psalmes hath not these words To the chiefe musician c. prefixed is expresly said to be delivered by David into the han●s of Asaph and his brethren And why may not we sing with the words of David and of Asaph the Seer as well as they did in Hezekiah's dayes 2 Chron. 29 30 Could the Levites and others that joyned say all that of themselves that David did say of himself Hence then he may see the ground of his mistake for he supposeth we should sing nothing but what is our owne particular case as if the dispensations of God● towards others of his Children did not concerne us but what then meaneth the Psalmist Psal. 66 6. to say He turned the sea into dry land they went thorow the flood on foot there did we rejoyce in him How could he and others say that they rejoyced at the red sea when the Lord brought his pe●ple thorow it when they were not then in being And how is it that such as had gotten victory over the Beast did sing the song of Moses the servant of God Revel 15 2 3 As the joyful so the sad condition of others being turned into a song may be mater of a song to us as we are members of the same body the favours deliveries bestowed upon others should be looked upon by us as favours conferred upon ourselves 3. What next And sometimes immediatly after singing they will sayes he in their prayers confess themselves guilty of these vices for redemption from which they had been praising God with David The inconsistency here is in owne imagination for he supposeth that the case of others which we sing we sing it as immediatly our owne But may we not blesse and extol that God in praises who hath redeemed others from these sinnes under which we yet groan And may not the singing of this contribute to the strengthening of our faith and hope of the like redemption And may not we in the singing of such experiences of others be raised up to see what an high and rich favoure it is to be blessed with such a redemption And cannot all this be done without hypocrisie 4. But now I would know what sort of praises and songs they would offer unto God These sayes he that proceed from a pure heart that is from the word of life in the heart And cannot we sing from ● pure heart in the words of David as well as they did in the dayes of Hezekiah But what is this word of life in the heart which is made the original and leader of their songs It is that sure that is common to all men Turks Pagans Scythians Barbarians And we look not upon that as grace from whence spiritual songs can arise I would enquire if the Spirit ever moveth them in their Assemblies to sing and what for Psalmes they sing Are they immediatly Inspired by the Spirit or not If not how can they according to their owne principles sing them If they be immediatly Inspired how can others concurre who never heard of them before What if they do not agree with the present condition of every member of the Assembly And how can others sing with them without the same previous motion of the Spirit Or is it enough if one sing alone And if so how can that be an act of publick worshipe performed by the whole Assembly These things if he be for singing at all in the publick worshipe of God he would do well to cleare to us And withal tell us if the Spirit inspireth also the meeter in the song and the tone of the singing 5. He tels us next that there is no warrand in tht New Covenant for Organs which I plead not for nor for any such instrument nor for artificial musick with the voice But if there be warrand for singing as there is himself not denying there must be warrand for some sort of artificial musick for singing is something else than reading or speaking and how is it distinguished but by notes of modulation and that must be either natural or artificial and the first mus● be helped by the last else in an Assembly where one and the same thing is sung by all there will be a discord instead of a concord And for the artifice I shall not plead that it be very fine if it be modest and grave I am satisfied And he knoweth there is no great ground of exception against our manner of singing upon this account in Scotland This is all he hath to say against our singing of Psalmes and why he doth not declare unto us what their peculia● way is I know not CHAP. XXVI Of Baptisme 1. TO manifest the perfect and compleet hatred which this Paganish Antichristian Spirit which reigneth and rageth in the Quakers hath at all the Insti●utions and Appointments of our Lord Jesus Christ we have here a clear demonstration of the hieght thereof and of their designe as acted by the same It will not satisfie them to plead with other Anabaptist● against the baptisme of Children and so be Antipaedobaptists but they must be Antibaptists and joyne with the late Ranters H. Nicholas Antinomians as enemies to the whole of the Institution and so not only be against all the Churches of Christ from the very beginning of christianity to this day but also against all the Several Sects of Anabaptists or Catabaptists that we have heard of and joyn with Socinus who at first would have had this Ordinance wholly laid aside And dispising