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A96214 Questions propounded by the natural man by way of reasoning. And answered by the spiritual man: but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them: it is written for the use of them that halteth, that they may be gathered: in which reason Babylon is fanned, and her land emptied, for so it is written. Whereunto is added a few lines for the rulers of the land, in love to their souls. West, Robert, fl. 1683, attributed name.; R. W. 1657 (1657) Wing W1384; Thomason E910_9; ESTC R207516 11,824 16

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true God and keep his Ordinances we do not baptize our children nor receive the Sacrament with the world but have separated our selves from them A. So thou mayest and have not the Spirit Jude 19. Q. How may I know the Spirit of God from the Spirit of Antichrist A. Hereby know we the Spirit of God Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God and he that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself 1 Joh. 4.3 5 10. Q. Why I do believe that Jesus Christ was come in the flesh and is not my spirit then of God A. It is one manifestatien to be believed that Jesus Christ was come in the flesh but it s another thing to believe that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and this is the mystery for there are differences of administrations but the same Lord 1 Cor. 12.5 Q. Can Christ Jesus come into men A. Yes Q. How can this thing be A. Christ saith to his Disciples He dwelleth with you and shall be in you at that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you and except Jesus Christ be in you you are reprobates 2 Cor. 13.5 Q. I do believe the Scriptures but this is not the meaning of them A. That is thy error to think so for they that spoke then meant as they spoke for when they meant to speak a parable they spoke a parable and when they meant to speak plainly they spoke plainly Joh. 19.29 The sp mans quest Q. From whence art thou A. From the earth Q. But of what plac A. Of England Q. You have many Teachers there A. Yea almost in every Village besides many others Q. What do they teach you A. The Gospel Q. What is that A. The Scriptures Q. How will that appear to be the Gospel A. It is written so The beginning of the Gospel of Iesus Christ the Son of od Mark 1.1 and they are able to make thee wise unto salvation and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproofs for Correction for Instruction and in them we think to have eternal life Sp. Man That is thy ignorance to think so the holy Scriptures are true but thou hast belyed them Q. How so it is Scripture that I have said A. But thou errest not knowing them nor the power of God Nat. Mans quest Q. What is the Power of God A. The Gospel Q. Is not that the Scriptures A. Nay the words are Scripture but the Gospel is another thing Q. How provest thou that A. By the Scriptures for thus it is written The Kingdom of God is within you and the Kingdom of God is not in word but in power Luke 17.21 1 Cor. 4.20 Rom. 1.16 and the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth Q. Is the Scripture one thing and the Gospel another A. Yea and bears witness one to the other that they are so Q. What is the Gospel then and where is it to be received A. The Gospel is Peace by Jesus Christ and in Spirit to be received for Christ preached to the Spirits in Prison Acts 10 36. 1 Pet. 3.19 Q. How is his preaching and Preachers to be known from the worlds preaching and Preachers seeing both preach Scriptures A. Thus they are to be known the one from the other the on turns the mind from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God Acts 26.18 Eph. 4.6 1 Cor. 12.7 who is through all and that which may be known of him is manifest in them for to every man is the manifestation of the Spirit given to profit withall the other turns the minde from light to darkness from God into the air where the Prince of darkness rules in the children of disobedience whose mindes are carryed about with every winde of Doctrine Ephesians 4.14 Q. Why must we not try them by the Scriptures is not that the rule for tryal as it is written To the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is ne light in them And Abraham saith Isa 8.10 Luke 16.31 If they hear not Moses and the Prophets neither will they be perswaded though one arose from the dead A. The holy Scriptures are true and must be held in righteousness or else they that holds them cannot try Doctrines by them but the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all them that holds the truth in unrighteousness Rom. 1.18 and the unrighteousness in which they are to be holden is manifested without the Law and witnessed by the Law and the Prophets even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe Romans 3. verse 22. Q. Where is that righteousness to be known A. Not in the depth nor in the Sea but the Righteousness which is of Faith speaketh on this wise Say not in thy heart Job 28.14 Rom. 10.6 Who shall ascend into heaven that is to bring Christ down from above Or who shall descend into the depth that is to bring up Christ again from the dead but what saith it The word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart that is the Word of Faith we preach Q. Why is Christ in us did he not ascend into Heaven A. Yea Eph. 4 10. 2 Cor. 13.5 far above all Heavens that he might fill all things and if he be not in you you are reprobates Q. Our Teachers alwayes perswaded us to believe in Christ without A. That is not the whole Truth according to the Scriptures for he is within Joh. 1. 4. in the Light and is the Light of men Spiritual Man Prova ● ●3 Joh. 16.8 Q. But haddest thou not at that time reprovings for sin A. Yea sometimes A. That was the Lord that did reprove thee Q. I do believe it was the Spirit A. The Lord is that Spirit Q. How 2 Co● 3.17 is that the Lord of Life and Glory A. Yea and we with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord 2 Cor. 3.18 are changed into the same Image from glory to glory even as by the Spirit of the Lord. Q. But shall not Christ come without us A. Yea Acts 3.21 when he hath restored all things spoken of by the Prophets Q. Dost thou not make two Christs then A. No 1 Cor. 12.5 there are differences of administrations but the same Lord. Natural man Well I will consider of it when I have a convenient season but at present I cannot receive it Flee out of the midst of Babylon and deliver every man his soul be not cut off in her iniquities for this is the time of the Lords Vengeance he will render unto her a Recompence Jer. 51.6 Rev. 18.4 Hear O Heavens and give ear O earth for the Lord hath spoken I have nourished
QUESTIONS Propounded by the Natural Man BY WAY OF REASONING And answered by the Spiritual Man But the Natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them It is written for the use of them that halteth that they may be gathered In which reason Babylon is fanned and her Land emptied for so it is written Whereunto is added a few lines for the Rulers of the Land in love to their souls Jer. 51.1 2. Thus saith the Lord Behold I will raise up against Babylon and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me a destroying VVinde and will send unto Babylon Fanners that shall fan her and shall empty her Lands for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about Natural Man Quest WAS not Adam the first man that was created of the earth and had not he Dominion over all things that was created of the earth and was not he the son of God and did not he beget sons and is there any son born which was not by him or his sons begotten Answ He was the first man that was created and had dominion ove all things that was created of the earth Gen. 1.30 Luk. 4.38 and was the son of God and did beget sons but the first born of every creature was not by him nor his sons begotten for he was not born of the will of man but of God and was before all things that are made for by him was all things created that are in Heaven and that are in Earth Joh. 1.13 Col. 1 16. Q. How can this thing be can there be a Son before there be a Father and was not Adam the Father of all the sons of men and was not he the Son of God as it is written had God any other son before him if so who was his Mother for the sons of Adam had Eve to their Mother Gen. 3.20 A. As Adam was formed of the dust and Eve of him and as from them came sons of the same nature Psal 22.30 1 Cor. 15.47 their descent not counted from them Heb. 7.6 even so the second man and his generation is from Heaven Heavenly and their Mother is New Jerusalem which is above and ber children are partakers of the Divine Nature Gal. 4.26 2 Pet. 1.4 Quest How of Divine Nature What Nature is that I cannot tell what thou saist but the nature whereof we are and from whence it springs I knoweth for it 's of the earth but what is the Divine Nature and from whence is it and what is its root Ans God is the Root and from him it springs and we are his off-spring Acts 17.28 as thou art the off-spring of Adam the first man Isa 11.10 Rev. 22.16 Job 21.8 Q. How art thou the off-spring of God and a partaker of the Divine Nature Why then thou art God A. Nay not so for that which depends upon another is not God but changed and joyned to the Lord the one Spirit 1 Cor. 6 17. Q. But how camest thou to be partaker of the Divine Nature Ioh. 6.57 thou was one in nature with us A. Ye we were and by it children of wrath even as others Eph. 2.3 Q. But how camest thou to be partaker of the Divine Nature can any be partaker of it in this world A. Yea if they believe in the Light and obey it for in it is it reserved Q. This is that we cannot believe in Ioh. 14.17 because we see it not A. I came to be partaker of the Divine Nature which thou canst not whilest thou art in the unbelief by the free grace of God through Jesus Christ Q. Why I hope to be saved by Jesus Christ after death although we are sinners whilest we are here in this world for he dyed for our sins and was raised again for our Justification and we believing this shall have his righteousness imputed unto us for we believe on him who justifieth the ungodly Rom. 4.5 A. The flesh justifieth not nor saveth but the life and that he justifieth the ungodly Joh. 6 63. Rom. 5.10 Prov. 17.15 is true but that he justifieth them in ungodliness is false for that is an abomination to the Lord. Q. We have been caught so and we know no other way for to be justified but what saist thou is the way by which God justifieth the ungodly A. By the obedience of Christ Jesus the Just who suffered for us Phil. 2.8 1 Pet. 3.18 Heb. 10.20 1 Pet. 3.18 Heb. 2.14 1 Ioh. 3. ●8 and consecrated a new and living way through the vail that is to say his flesh in which he suffered death and being put to death in the flesh but quickned by the spirit that he might destroy him that had the power ●o death that is the Devil and for this purpose the Son of God was manifested that he might destroy the works of the Devil and deliver them who through fear of death were all their life time subject to bondage Heb. 2.15 Q. But did not he destroy all the works of the devil when he suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem A. Nay Q. What did he do them A. Consecrate a new and living way for us that as he suffered in the flesh for us we should arm our selves with the same mind Heb. 10.20 1 Pet. 4.1 1 Cor. 1.18 Gal. 6.14 1 Ioh. 3.8 1 Tim. 5.9 1 Joh. 5.4 Heb. 12.2 Rom. 4.3.5.1 humbling our selves to the cross which is the Power by whom the world is crucified unto me and I unto the world through which the Son of God destroyeth the works of the Devil and so the mystery of Faith comes to be held in a pure conscience which gives us the victory over the world and so Christ is the author and finisher of our Faith which is counted unto us for righteousness and thus we are justified not in sin but in righteousness Q. What in this world A. Yea we are and he was so in this world 1 Joh. 4.17 Heb. 12.23 Joh. 1.1.8 Q. We cannot believe that A. What dost thou believe then Q. This we believe That we are righteous in him although in our selves we are sinners and are under condemnation A. Thy Faith is against the Scriptures Q. How so A. The Scripture saith There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus and if any be in Christ he is a new Creature but thy Faith is Rom. 8.1 2 Cor. 5.17 that thou art righteous in Christ and that thou saist Thou art under condemnation so thy faith is against Scripture and knowledge both Q. Why this is that we have been taught to believe and I judge our Teachers do know what they do teach and in it I have peace oft times A In thee is fulfilled the Scripture which saith VVhen a strong man armed keepeth his Pallace his goods are in peace Q. Why we do worship the
Rev. 18.4 but if you support her you must persecute and that will be grievous for you one day who have been such great Professors and by whom the Lord hath removed persecutors that was before you Now in love to you and the truth for whose sake I am moved to write unto you that all may read and search the Scriptures of truth Dan. 10.21 whether according to it yea or nay this be the Gospel that is preached by them that are called Ministers who have separated themselves having not the spirit Jude 19. Mic. 3.11 Gen. 12.3 Deut. 30.14 Rom. 1.16 Gen. 22.18 Luke 7.21 Col. 1.27 Joh. 1.10 and preacheth for hire I say Whether it be the same Gospel which was preached by God to Abraham Isaac and Jacob and that Moses and the Prophets and Christ and his Apostles did preach for that was one not divided and it was the power of God unto salvation unto every one that did believe and it was in them as it is written In thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed saith God to Abraham Saith Moses The word is very nigh unto thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart Saith Christ The Kingdom of God is within you Saith Paul Christ in you the hope of Glory whom we preach Thus was the Gospel preached by the holy men of old which was in the world and the world knew him not and truly if there had not been a seed in us in which the blessing is which was and is the Gospel we had been as Sodom and made like unto Gomorah for if Jesus Christ be not in you saith Paul ye are reprobates Acts 9.1 Gal. 1.1 Now before Paul knew Christ to be in him he persecuted him but when it pleased God to reveal his Son in him he preached him in the world whom the world knew not but was to them a mystery as he is this day where he is not believed on in them for the Antichristian Ministry hath preacht him up in Heaven of a distance from man 1 Joh. 5 1● so long that by it they have preacht him out of the hearts of the people to be looked for Therefore take heed my dear Friends and now Rulers what Gospel you do promote and what Ministry you do set up for the Spirit of Life which is the Lord is risen in our hearts and he is entered into his Witnesses 2 Pet. 1.19 Rev. 11.11 2 Thes 2.8 which is the Light of Christ and spirit of men and the time is at hand that the dead should be judged and the man of sin revealed and consumed and the glory of all flesh to be stained the Star of Jacob to be exalted who is risen in our hearts and arising in many thousands that the kingdom of this world may become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ whose day is at hand Therefore fall away from the man of sin which is in the Temple your body that the day of Christ you may see for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first the man of sin be revealed which is that in you that opposeth the Light of Christ and his Ministry and exalteth it self which must be consumed before the glory of the Lord be revealed in you Kom 8.18 Jer. 31.34 and his teachings you come to know which is in spirit to be received which makes perfect now as ever did the spirits of just men who believeth the teachings of God in spirit as Abraham did for when God said to Abraham VValk before me and be thou perfect he believed God and did not say It cannot be in this world and whose saith It cannot be in this world denyeth Abrahams Faith Eph. 4.12 Christs Exhortation Prayer and Ministry which was all for the perfecting of the Saints in this world whereof the Apostles were Witnesses with the holy men of old as saith the Scriptures Job 1.1 8. Heb. 12.23 1 Joh. 4.17 and they that denyeth perfection attainable in this world denyeth Christs Exhortation Prayer and Ministry and indeed shuts the Kingdom of Heaven against men Rev. 21.27 for into it can enter no unclean thing Consider of these things I pray you that you support no longer that Ministry which denyes perfection to be attainable in this world and take the means into your hands which is the cause thereof that the Lords people may be freed by you without as they are by him in spirit to serve him in righteousness and holiness without fear all the dayes of their lives which is the desire of yours in the Truth This was delivered unto some of the Members of Parliament and desired to be by R. W. read amongst them The End