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A28893 An answer to Doctor Good (so called) his Dialogue against those call'd Quakers wherein he hath forged the Quaker and confuted himself, which dialogue of Tho. Good's is in his book intituled Firmianus and Dubitantius, or certain dialogues concerning atheism, infidelity, popery, and other heresies and schisms, which trouble the peace of the Church &c. / by Edward Bourn. Bourne, Edward, d. 1708. 1675 (1675) Wing B3845; ESTC R27869 17,048 26

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be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven And whereas thou say'st in thy Dubitantius I know these and many more to be the Positions of the Quakers and that they are directly contrary to the sacred Scriptures Answ Whereas thou say'st Thou knowest these P●sitions and many more of ours are directly contrary to the sacred Scriptures I say thou hast belyed us herein for the Scriptures make for us in these Positions which we own to be ours as I have shewed thee before and wherein thou hast said we hold that we do not hold thy Lyes are thrown back upon thy self and I doubt not but God will rebuke thy lying Tongue for thy slandering of us and turn the Mischief thou would'st bring upon us thereby upon thy own Pate And whereas thou say'st in thy Firmianus These Things are so clearly confuted by the Word of God by which I suppose thou meanest the Scriptures and Tradition of the Catholick Church c. Answ Thou hast said so but thou hast not brought one Scripture to confute us in those Positions we own to be ours and so hast accused us without a Proof which will not serve thy Turn for the carrying on of thy envious Work against us with People of Understanding but the rather thy Folly and Ignorance and Madness is the more made manifest to such as are honestly minded and are willing to try and to prove all Things and to hold fast that which is good And therefore cease from thy Work in this and in Things of this Nature for by thy Strength thou must not nor shalt not be able to prevail against us because the Truth is for us which is stronger and of more Might then any Thing beside it and takes our Parts against thee herein And whereas thou say'st Our Practices are extreamly opposite to all good Manners and the Civilities of all Nations which are not grosly barbarous as well as the Holy Scriptures and whereas you have observed their Carriages to be very demure austere and that they are of a sad Countenance 't is no more then our Blessed Saviour reproved in the Scribes and Pharisees long since c. Answ Wherein are our Practices so extreamly opposite to all good Manners and the Civilities of all Nations that are not grosly barbarous as well as the Holy Scriptures Friend let us know if thou art able to do it wherein our Practices are contrary to the blessed Truth and if our Practices are not contrary to the Truth but agreeable therewith as surely I may safely say they are then wherein can they be said to be opposite to all good Manners and the Civilities of all Nations Friend I can say and the Witness of God in my Conscience justifies me herein thou art one of those that calls Good Evil and Evil Good and so art not led by that good Spirit that the Holy Apostle and Servant of Christ was led by who said As Obedient Children not fashioning your selves according to the former Lusts in your Ignorance 1 Pet. 1. 14. So thou who ar● ignorant of the Light of Christ and of the right Way of the Lord may'st call that good Manners and Civility which is according to the Fashions ●f this World which pass away but that which the good Spirit of God doth lead into is contrary to that which thou may'st account good Manners and Civility But thou and such as thee art are nearer in Nature to the grosly barbarous then we are as this thy Work manifesteth for I am of the Mind thou art not of so meek a Spirit as to bear with any Man or Woman that cannot put off their Hats and bow to thee for Conscience sake though what they do herein doth accord and agree with the Scriptures and so we are not contrary to the Scriptures but according to them for Mordecai who was a good Man could not bow to Haman as thou may'st see Ester 3. 1 2. For which Cause Haman was full of Wrath as see Ester 3. 3 5. So thou who art angry with any that cannot for Conscience sake put off their Hats and bow to thee I speak not of such as thus do in Contempt to any Man's Person but for Conscience-sake towards God art like Haman herein and not like Mordecai whom God was with c. Further say'st thou of us That we are very demure austere and of a sad Countenance whereas a sad sour Face a hanging down Look too much resemble Cain's Mark and is a very probable Sign of a disquieted discontented guilty troubled if not a malitious Mind Answ Thou judgest of us according to thy own Thoughts But Friend tho● should'st not judge of us according to the outward Appearance in thy prejudiced Mind but judge Righteously of us and if thou wouldst so judge then thou must judge nothing before the Time 'T is probable that thou may'st judge us to be of a malitious Mind because we cannot appear as one with People in their Folly in being jolly and merry with them out of the Fear of the Lord which is because we know such Things are contrary to Godliness and that whereby his good Spirit is grieved and by which he is provoaked to Anger daily the Consideration of those Things makes us sad many Times and we cannot avoid it well many Times but must by our Words and Carriages shew our Disl●ke thereof because we well know that People by such Things do provoak the Holy God against their own Souls who hath long born with their Evil Manners herein and striven with them by his good Spirit to reclaim them therefrom but his long Suffering will soon come to an End with such and his good Spirit will cease to strive with them therefore let such repent and amend their VVaves and their Doings before it be too late but thou shewest thy self to be one with them which thought it strange of the Saints formerly because they could not run with them into the same Excess of Riot which they run into as see 1 Pet. 4. 3 4. And though thou say'st of us that in this or in such Things before-mentioned of us it too much resembles Cain's Mark I say Cain's Mark may easier be seen in thee who hast wrote so malitiously against us as thou hast let the VVitness of God in thy Conscience testifie whether thou hast not wrote thus against us out of Malice and whether thou hast not done it out of the Enmity in thee unto that which is good Again sayes Firmianus This Practice of theirs is against the very Light of Nature as well as plain Scripture a meer levelling Device of their Seducers the Popish Priests and Jesuits to make a Confusion amongst us to destroy all Government to take away all Honour and Respect which is due to our Superiours for what Honour or Reverence has that Man in his Heart towards them who will express none in his Words or Gestures according to the ●●udable Custom of the Country where he dwells Answ