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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the

thy mouth and blush and be ashamed for thy lyes thou mayest be set up with the world which lyeth in wickedness but from God thou lyar art turned and must into the lake that burns And something in answer to the story or tale which thou tells to the Christian Reader and many reports respecting a people called Quakers concerning sorcery and witchcraft being among them Object And thou sayest Thou metst with a man a Teacher to a people about half a mile from Nottingam and thou asked him whether he did conceive that there was sorcery among them and he said Yea that there was sorcery among them Reply The chief Priests such as you did ever judge the Power of Christ to be of the Dev l for it did ever overturn your Kingdom O vain man here thou hast printed forth what he did conc●ive and in your mind of conceiving lodgeth the spirit of sorcery and that which carries sorcery hearing and telling of new things as the Athens did who shews thy self ignorant of the holy men of God who were in trances tremblings and quakings Object And as thou speakest of a young man which came twice or thrice to their meetings Reply Was he come to the trembling of Devils and dost thou and he blaspheme that power which made him to tremble and this story thou gives to the Reader that all may see thy folly which story th●u receivedst from the Min ster as thou calls them Object And thou sayest thou thoughtest to have nothing to do with that generation of men Rep. Didst thou not utter forth thy lyes and slanders in a paper And dost not thou utter forth thy lyes now and so for the Truths sake are we moved to write against thy lyes which thou hast printed in this paper Ob. And whereas thou tel'st the Parliament and Reader of another story of a man and his Wife and art troubled because he titled the Ministers under the name of the Priests of the world and Teachers of the world Are you not such which say you have not heard a voice speak from Heaven neither do you look for it that such a voice as this that comes immediately from God you have not heard nor such an inspiration as this you do not wait for Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self for being any Minister of God and from having the Spirit of Inspiration and here thou art a Teacher of the world which teacheth deceit which denies perfection Ob. And thou art tormented because the said Richard Waller affirmed that he had his Teacher within him Rep. And doth not the Scriptures witness the same Ye need not that any man teach you but as the anoynting which is within And doth not the Prophet exhort them to cease from man and wouldest thou teach them to follow man And doth not the Apostle bid them to take heed of the light within them unt l the day dawn and the Day-star arise in their hearts Here dost not thou clear thy self from the Spirit of the Prophets and Christ and the Apostles and cannot indure the Doctrine of Christ the Prophets and the Apostles which is the sound Doctrine Samuel Eaton And the answer to the paper which thou accused the Quakers of thou shalt find to be true though thou canst not own it with thy sottish and sensual mind Ob. And thou say'st the Saints and the world may know what a people we are Rep. Here thou put'st the Saints and the world both together the world knows us not but who are Saints witness us Ob. And thou sayest What little hope there is of any good to be wrought of any of them what a people these are Rep. Thy teachings we deny and thy discoursing upon the Scriptures with corrupt mind we deny but the Scriptures we own they are ours and so such busie minds who are giving senses and meanings to the Scriptures we deny for they are of no private interpretation Ob. And thou sayest they pretend to speak and act all by the Spirit and if any one will try their Spirit that they speak by their reply is That th y can neither witness Scripture nor Spirit Rep. But what Scripture canst thou witness who denies the immediate Voice from God and immediate Inspiration And thou sayest they encrease in number continually and this torments thee and now thou comest to prophecy Ob. The time will come they shall proceed no further but this is the false Prophet The time is come that thou shalt proceed no further for thy folly is made manifest already which is to the glory of God renting thy Kingdom and setting up his own Kingdom so that the power and effectual working of God which turns the mind of so many unto himself from the world by his Spirit and to the uniting their hearts together from the worlds Forms Sects and Opinions And thou who denies the immediate Inspiration and immediate Voice from God which thou hast put up to the Magistrate but God will dash all the earthly Bonds asunder with his immediate power and eternal Spirit who denies the immediate voice who lives in Errour and Heresie as thou hast made it manifest And this is in answer to the stories thou gav'st to the Parliament and to the Christian Reader Samuel Eaton now something in Replication to thy answers of the Queries Que. FRiend the first Query which was put to thee was Whether thou hadst the eternal Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures yea or no Object And in thy answer thou believes that the Spirit of Christ dwells in Saints yet thou asserts the Spirit of Christ to be distinct from the Saints and the Saints from the Spirit Rep. Here thou hast cleered thy self from the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures The Query was put to thee Whether thou hadst the eternal Spirit who saith The Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints Let all people see if thy Spirit be not distinct from the Saints and a lying Spirit to say the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints when the Spirit that gave forth the Scriputre saith which was in the Saints they were led by the Spirit and they had received the Spirit and Christ said the Spirit of the Father spoke in them and the Apostle said If you have not the same Spirit as raised up Christ you are none of his Obj. And thou sayest The Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints Rep. And the Ministers of God said they were in the Spirit and here openly thou shew'st thy self to be rambling up and down with thy own Spirit and not guided by the Spirit of Jesus but by the Spirit of Errour and confusion and this is the Record God hath given us his Spirit but this was not spoken in thy Generation and ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit and thou say'st they are distinct from it Obj. And thou sayest the Spirit of Christ dwells in them which Spirit is God but thou dost not

believe that there is any essential or personal unity between this eternal Spirit and the Saints believers for such unity would either make the Spirit and Believers some third things Rep. Silence Flesh who art in confusion for thou hast nothing to do to talk of Unity nor this eternal Spirit which thou sayest is God and yet there is no eternal Unity with the eternal Spirit Query 2. Whether the Apostles did give a right meaning to the Scriptures when they gave them forth or left them to you to give the meaning of them yea or no Ans And thy answer is That in all the Scriptures they gave forth had a meaning with those Scriptures which they gave forth yet not alwayes so plainly that the meaning thereof might be rightly taken up by those that read them unless compared with some other Scriptures which they also have given out which have plainer sense in them and are helpful to expound them Rep. And hear thou leaves Spirit and thy confused stuff is issued out of thy Bottle who would make the Apostle a lyar who used plainness of speech and so the Scriptures were of no private interpretation nor came not by the will of man which thou in thy will art giving senses unto who sayest it is left to you to find out the sense and meaning who saith the letter contains contradictions thou lyar there is no contradictions in it but the contradictions is in thy self for where the same Spirit is made manifest as was in them that gave forth the Scriptures it owne it without any of thy senses and meanings who art in the number of the Beast here is wisdome let him that hath understanding count the number Obj. And whereas thou sayest Christ commands to search the Scriptures because the meaning lyeth deep in many places yet by searching what Scriptures lay together speak the sense may be gotten out Rep. Here thou art a lyar Did Christ bid them search the Scriptures to find out the sense of the Scriptures Here thou add'st to make people believe that there was life in the Scriptures when Christ saith not so but saith Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life And though they had the letter of the Scripture yet they knew not Christ therefore they were to come to him that they might have life which opens the Scriptures without thy sences or meanings for they had thought to have found life in the Scriptures as thou dost Object Another Scripture thou brings of Christ destroying this Temple and in three daies raise it up again Rep. And thou lyar thou sayest there is a sense in these words did he not speak plainly Here thou shewest thy self to be among them that gave a sence upon his words and could not understand his speech and as they did so dost thou who canst not understand plainness and hast cleared thy self from that Spirit that spoke forth these words and if you had that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures you need not bring Scripture to interpret Scripture for the same Spirit that gave them forth will open all again but from this Spirit thou hast cleared thy self and thou art unlearned without the life in thy own sense and points Object And again thou sayest they are not left to put your own sense upon them Reply What is it but thy own sence when thou sayest God doth not intend to teach immediate or if it be not immediate it is carnal and natural And the carnal man knows not the things that are of God who lives in thy own sence Quer. 3. Whether plagues be not added to them who adde to the Prophesies written in this Book or whether his name be not to be diminished out of the Book of life who diminisheth or whether you can witness this Name yea or no Ans And thy answer is nothing to purpose or the Book of life or the new name thou shews thy self ignorant of therefore thou art unlearned and must be silent as thou art to it and let the Prophets Christ and the Apostles alone for they all spake by one spirit according to their growth and the fulfilling of the Scriptures Object But thou speaks of an Interpretation that agrees to the spirit of the Scriptures Reply That Interpretation we deny for you would have another Interpretator besides the Spirit and here thou shews thy self to be in thy fancy adding to whom the plagues of God are due who adds another interpretation besides the Spirit and thou art in the nature of all them who thou reckons up which art out of the truth Object Thou accusest the quakers for grand Impostures which they beguile people they bring the letter which serves for their purpose Reply This shall stand for thy own condition for thy impostures we abhor and here thou art a lyar I charge thee in the presence of the Lord as to say we bring the letter which serves for our purpose to deceive the people for every tittle of the Scripture is ours and we own them and do not deceive the people from the truth but such as you call Ministers which make a trade upon the Scriptures and lead people into darkness with your sences upon the Scriptures we deny And so here thou a t found the adder giving sences and meanings according to the Spirit as thou sayest and here thou makest it manifest that it is thy self that interprets and not the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which Spirit opens them again Object And thou sayest the sufficiency of the Scriptures do build men up to salvation Rep. Here thou set'st the Scripture before God and Christ who is the Saviour and perverts it had'st thou said they were able to make one wise to salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus but there thou art diminishing as to say the Scripture is sufficient to build men up to salvation Que. 4. Whether you have an infallible judgment to judg of things eternal yea or no Ans Thou sayest every man is darkness Rep. And there thou art in thy first estate who hath uttered forth many words to this Query out of thy confused mind Obj. Thou sayest them that the Apostles said knew all things which was but an hyperbolical expression and did import only much knowledg to be in them Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a perverter of the Apostles words and one that addeth John speaks no such word as hyperbolical therefore let thou John's words alone Here all may see whether thou speakest by the spirit or no. Object And thou sayest they that had received the Vnction had not an infallible judgment Rep. And here let all people take notice what thou speak'st from and yet thou sayest though they had the Spirit which if they have the Spirit to judg withal the judgment is infallible and thou belyes them and wrongs them for they knew the truth and that there was no lye of it and then they had an

Scripture Quer. 18. Whether you do not bewitch the people and draw them from the Spirit of God within you to observe those things which God never commanded to tell the people of a Sacrament and following your outward teaching who stands praying in the Synagogues and art called of men Master which Christ did forbid Mat. 23. And have the chiefest places in the Assemblies Whether these be not Antichrists which act contrary to the Commands of Christ yea or no. Ans In thy Answer to this Query thou sayest They strike at Pastors and Elders Reply Here thou art a lyar for the Query doth not mention Pastors or Elders Obj. And why dost thou say they speak of the Synagogues in a derisive way and that the title of Masters and assuming the chiefest places in the Assemblies to be ambition Reply And this thou seeks to clear and justifie which Christ cried wo against and shews thy self to be in the state of the Scribes and Pharisees as you may read Mat. 23. Let the letter judge thee if thou wilt own the Scripture And doth not Christ cry wo against them that are called of men Master and have the chiefest place in the Assemblies stand praying in the Synagogues H●re ●hou shews thy self to be an opposer of Christs words who would justifie the worlds practise which he cryed wo against and so thou art a friend to the world and an enemy to Christ Obj. And thou sayest concerning the Sacrament ther is no Ordinance a foot amongst us which we call by that name though there might be a defence for it Reply Here thou shews thy self where thou was b●fore in making a defence for that which is not which ●here is no Scripture for And what hast thou to do to talk of O●dinances the Blood of Christ and the Seals and the Faith and the Covenant of God who denyes his voyce and all who are taught of God hear his voyce and who are sealed are sealed with the Spirit but thou denyes the immediate inspiration and here thou clearest thy self from the Seals from the Covenant who saith men must be taught for all who are brought into the Covenant are taught of God and hear his voyce and need no man teach them which you deny Oh Lucifer like who talks of these things and cannot witness any of them but ar● justifying Synagogues standing p●aying there which the Pharisees did O thou Fox thou are found out in all thy holes we who witness the B●ood of Christ the Covenant the Seals and the Supper of the Lord deny all these things which you and the Pharisees held up which Christ cried wo against and here thou art reckoned and found amongst those despisers of the grace of God which never heard ●●s voyce as thou sayest amongst the greatest sinners whichever blasphemed Christ though they pro●ess●d him in words ●o dost thou the world may justifi● th●●e but that Christ which the Scripture speaks of if you w●ll own the Scriptures do●h condemn thee who holds up and pleads for these things which he cries wo against Obj. Secondly And for thy justification of outward teaching thou sayest it is the power of God to salvation Reply Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and knows not what thou speaks is the power of God outward and salvation which is a Mystery and here thou hast shut thy self out from the Mystery and art in thy will and a Minister made by the will of man which is outward Paul who was a Minister of the Spirit which was not outward made by the will of God here thou hast shut thy self from the Minister of the Spirit which ministers to the Spirit in prison and art a Minister of the Letter made by the will of man and holden up by man and thou wrests many Scriptures for to justifie the outward teaching as Mat. 4.13 14. Acts 26.16 17 18. and many other Scriptures and so pu●s no difference betwixt the Ministers of the world which is outward and Christs Ministers and the Apostles which is immediate and inward by the Spirit and shews thou art not yet come to repentance to discern the right hand from the left He that hath ears to hear let him hear what the Spirit saith and that 's not outward And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles preaching Let the Apostles preaching alone for they denyed the Pharisees teaching I command thee in the presence of the Lord. Obj. And thou sayst the Apostle saith He rejoyced though some preach Christ from an envious spirit Reply Here thou adds to the Apostles words all people read Psal 1.18 though the Apostle did say then Some preach Christ of envy some of strife some of contention yet that was a time when few did believe that that was the Christ so his Name was spread abroad he rejoyced in it but when his Name was spread abroad and covetous men and proud men as thou art and heady men and men that followed pleasures had got the form but had not the power which led silly women captive always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth which thou shews thy self to be one of them and the Apostle exhorts from such to turn away 2 Tim. 3.1 And what hast thou to do to talk of Christ and his Disciples and Moses these had the immediate inspiration which thou denyes who hast gotten the outward form and words of Christ and the Disciples as the Pharisees had gotten the form of Moses and the Prophets and there thou art j●dged withall who hath the Eternal Spirit the life of them that gave forth the Scriptures Obj. Whereof thou art giving sences of the end of the world Reply Silence sence and consequence for that proceeds from the world in thy heart for there it is set for thou confesses thou dost not know the voyce of God who art lost in thy sences nor never shall in that nature who denyes immediate in●piration and so denyes the life of the Scripture and shuts thy self out For Christ is the same yesterday to day and for ever And his teachers are the same with the same Spirit and all thy whole intent is as to keep people from the voyce of G●d and immediate inspiration and to keep the Letter and to make Ministers with it which is outward as thou calls it Obj. And whereas thou sayest Christ ascend●d on high and hath given gifts unto men Reply These words will condemn thee are these gifts outward thou art talking of an outward these words Pastors and Teachers are the Saints words and ours we own th●m but we deny thee and all thy filthy stuff of consequences and sences of the Saints conditions Obj. And whereas thou sayest Till the Saints come to the state of perfection Reply And again thou denyes it and saith None can attain to it in this world and here the Scripture will judge thee to be a lyar which thou sayest is thy

to record and with the light do judge thee and to see if thou be not in the imposture and an high imposture and in the witchcraft First Thou dost assert and thy company that the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints and the Saints from the Spirit Here thou hast cleared thy self from the Saints who were in the Spirit and to be an imposture and this is in thy answer to the first Query Secondly Thou and you saith That you do not apprehend and speak right of God and Christ nor the Spirit nor of your selves nor of the Ministery of the Gospel Thou hast delared it who saith that the Spirit is distinct from the Saints and the Saints distinct from it and thou not apprehending aright of God and Christ nor the Saints and taking thy self to be a Pastor thou haft openly deceived thy self to be an imposture which art stopt and shall proceed no further and you not apprehending aright of your selves as thou saith you do not declare your selves to be blind guides and not fit to teach others that doth not know your selves but we know it is so that you do not know your selves and this is in thy answer to the fourth Query And thirdly you say That such a voice as comes immediately from God you have not heard of such an inspiration as this you have not received Thou that hast not received an immediate inspiration and hast not heard the voyce of the living God here thou hast raked thy self from all that did hear the voice of God and them that had received the immediate inspiration here you have turned your selves among the Impostures Witches and Sorcerers which have not heard a word from the Lord as thou thy self faith Let all the children of the light judge thee if thou be not an imposture and a deceiver but thou art made manifest to the children of light prayses be to our God the living God for ever And this is in answer to the seventh Query Fourthly Thou sayest there are no such Pastors now no such Officers now no such Teachers now no such Mininisters of the Spirit now nor no such gifts now as was then Here thou and all thy Teachers and Officers and Pastors are under the Prophecy as Peter speaks of and Paul speaks to Timothy heaps of Teachers and here thou thy self hast made them all Impostures and Inchanters and Sorcerers and Charmers if the Pastors be not now as was then and the Teachers now as was then and the Officers now as was then they are not in the truth for we do witness the same spirit now as was then and the Pastors and the Teachers the same now as was then made by the same Spirit But thou saith There is none such and we do believe it and know it that there is none such in thy generation so thou hast cleared thy self and all thy company out of the truth and here thou would'st make people believe that the truth is changeable and here thou shewest that thou hast not the Spirit that the Apostles had but the spirit of errour and guided by it and impostures and given over to fables and this is in thy answer to the eighteenth Query And for the Act of sprinkling Infants thou sayest Something may be held forth for it the Blood of Christ Here th●u makes the Blood of Christ a figure of sprinkling Infants and the sprinkling of Infants must then be the substance according to thy words and yet thou com●s after and speaks of Water Baptism Types of Christs Blood for there is no Scripture that speaks of sprinkling infants and here thou art rasced out and that which thou holds forth which thou wouldest bring to justifie sprinkling ●nfants For the Blood of Christ is the Substance this is in thy answer to the sixteenth Query And thou sayest Consequently God did not intend immediate teaching nor to give out in after-ages an immediate voice which should lead and guide men in the way of Salvation O thou vain man God will stop thy mouth and thou must be confounded who denies the everlasting Covenant of God who saith he will teach his people and make with them a new Covenant that all shall know God and he●e again before the Lord and all the children of God I charge thee to be an imposture and there all the children of the light may see thee who are taught of God immediately and directed and guided in the way of salvation Thou sayes● thou never heard the voice of God from Heaven nor received the immediate inspiration nor doth not wait for it Let all the children of the light see if thou be not an imposture who hath not heard a word from the Lord and one of them that ●●ns before thou art sent which the true Prophet cried against And many Scriptures thou hast gathered out of the Letter which wa● sent to thee in answer to thy Letter which thou calls mire and dirt which thou calls Annotations Thou high blasphemer who hath cleared thy self from the life which gave for h ●he Scriptures which life reacheth over thee and doth compre●end thee and judge thee eternally Let all the children of the l●ght who are led by the E ernal Spirit of Go● and dwell Se● if thou be not in a pre●ence of Spirit who denies the immediate inspiration of the Spirit and hearing the vo●ce of God Her● t●y spe●ch bewrays thee and thy language is known with th● Et●●nal Spirit of God where it is made manifest and what sp●●●● it is that dwells in thee and acts in thee and rules thee and t● be in the first birth so in the snare thou art taken and into the pit thou art turned who saith these persons alone pretend the Spirit That is false for we do not pretend we have it we witness it and thy pretences we do deny A●d another thing thou brings to fill up thy Book and make it large the confession of one Joh● Gilpin a Quaker Was John Gilpin come to the trembling of the D●vils which power of God m●de ●●m to confess his f●rmer conversation as in his paper he declares it and to see the deceipt of the Priests and to forsake his drunkenness and was he bewitched with such as thou art who now follow drunkenness and was drunk that there was a warrant granted out against him and this is one of thy converts and one of thy sacrifices that thou puts up to the supream Authority which the Authority strikes down all such things And another Sacrifice thou offers up against them whom the world calls Quakers a discovery of myst●cal Antichrist displaying Christ's Banners but attempting to lay waste Scripture Gospel Christ Fa th Hope and concerning an Examination of the doctrine and way of the Quakers in Yorkshire written by John Pomroy Paul Glissen Joseph Kellet We are acquainted with your generation and your reproaches to us are riches and your slanders for them you will be rewarded and your portion for

your lyes is the lake and it s well they have set their names to these lyes John Pomroy Paul Glissen Joseph Kellet that they may be known For with the chi●dren of light they are and their Spirit tried had they not uttered forth their names and their voice discerned and the Eternal Light of God sees them which shall be their eternal condemnation and the Judgement of God will fall upon hem for th ir lyes and slanders for them that they call Quakers ●usking we own else we should lay waste the Scriptures as you do For David quaked Moses quaked and Paul trembled and Habbakuk quivered and Jeremy shaked and these were in the faith and hope and these had the life of the Scriptures a●co●di●g to their measure Now let all people see if John Pomroy Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet wh ch have digg●d a p●t for others see if they be not fallen into it themselves who are laying waste the Scriptures for the Gospel of Christ we own and the Scriptures are ours and the Doctrine of Christ we live in and Faith and Hope and not laying waste the Scripture but all such as make trades on the Scripture such we would have laid waste And thou Eaton and the rest who saith there are no such Officers now no such Teachers now no such Pastors now as was then Dost not thou here lay waste the Scripture and hast shewed thy self to be one of them and can imposture that what thou knows thou knows naturally which were ordained of old for condemnation as Jude speaks of for thou denies immediate inspiration and thou denies hearing the voice of God when Christ is the same to day yesterday and for ever and they that are of God hear his word and they that hear his word he●r his voice and here thou hast shewed thy self that thou art not of God and the Gospel is the same which is the pillar and ground of truth And another thing thou Eaton sets as a witness against them whom thou calls Quakers which word thou spake in thy letter to Richard Walter and thou said'st Satan had filled his heart with such fogs and mists and darkness and this is in thy page 56. and this is in thy own letter which thou would●st slander us with thy own words which came out of thy own bottle But O thou Enemy of good thy door is set open and what is in thy house is seen and wh●● is in thy bottle pours out and so for the truths sake because an evil report and slander should not rest upon ●t and for the simple ones and d●luded ones that are subject to catch at his histories and reports So for the trut●s sake have I given forth this not to be justified of man nor to b● known outward●y but to be known to the Lord God and of him to be justified and not to stir up strife or war but that truth might be set up and all d●ceit confounded and the simple ones directed and their minds guided to God to hear his voice and to wait upon him that they might come into the life of the Scriptures that they were in that gave them forth which thou hast declared that thou hast not neither dost thou wait for it so shews thy self to be an imposture and keeps all in the pit and from hearing the voice of the living God And as for railing such we deny and all such as lay waste Scripture and live not the life of it and Christ and saith and hope but in their places we own all as it was given forth and here be thou Samuel Eaton and John Pomroy and Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet to that in your consciences I speak that it may witness against you that you are witnesses against the truth of God and ●hem that live in it who hath published forth your lyes and slanders who are for the Lake And thou Samuel Eaton who makes a colour of answering the Queries thou hast made many Queries and hath answered thy own let the Reader of thy Book but take notice and see thy deceit and imposture which thou so often accuses them that thou calls Quakers with which therein thou art comprehended thy self with the children of light and I leave thee to be judged with them all because thou hast published thy Book openly let all the children of the light judge thee what spirit thou art guided by who denyes immediate inspiration And in thy Answer to the seventeenth Query thou slanders the Apostle and saith it was a hyperb●lycal Speech when the Apostle said they knew all things and needed no man to teach them but as the ano●n●ing and this thou sayest was an hyperbolycal expression O vain man where did the Apostle give ●orth any such expressions thou would'st make him a lyar like ●hy self who cannot own his words therefore do we own the Apostle who spoke plainly and deny thee with thy hyperbolycal expressions who art in the wisdom of words and slanders the Power of God which makes the earth to tremble in wh●ch power stood the Saints faith and wisdom as the Apostle spoke to the Corinthians in which Spirit and Power of the living God stands our saith and wisdom and not in the wisdom of the world which wisdom we see all comes to nothing which wisdom thou lives in and so with the world thou mayest be justified for it loves its own and in it thou mayest have many witnesses but thou dost not know as thou hast confessed and with him no lyar nor slanderer nor with them who are Gods Thou sayest The Church of Christ is the pillar and ground of truth and doth witness the truth contained in the Scripture But this is anothers and not thine for thou canst not witness it to be the pillar and ground of truth but art an enemy to it and denyes the immediate inspiration and hearing the voyce of the living God And thou asserts that the Mystery of Godliness is great Thou mayest assert it for godliness is a mystery to thee thou knowest it not but he that spoke these words God manifested in the flesh justified in the spirit witnessed these words as he spoke them and to such as thee it is a mystery without any consequences or ●ences thou mayest very well assert it for thou art without God i● the world And as for El ction thou knows nothing of For his secrets are with them that fear him and thou denies ever hearing his voice therefore how should th●u know his Secrets and there let thy mo●th be stept for thou knows not what is elect●d whic● art pleading for sin and for the D●v●l and denie● p●rfection and pu●i●y so thou art without among the dogs and the Whoremongers and the Adulterers and there we leave thee And thou who sayest thou never heardst Gods voyce nor dost not wait for it nor never shalt in the state thou art in though thou sayest thou hast confuted the Quakers but it is with that nature which is

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

carnal who hath nothing but the letter to judg withal and hast denied the eternal spirit which judgeth all things Query 15. What are the Ordinances which are ordained of God that those which you call Quakers deny or when did God command you to observe them as to sprinkle infants to pray before and after Sermons as you call them or to set times and daies and hours which was in the Generation wh●●h was enemies to Christ who observed such things Query 16. Where these Ordinances of God be which you speak of and where God commanded them and to whom which you say them you call Quakers deny mention them in particular and declare them openly in writing and give our accusing Ans In thy answer to these two Queries thou sayest we are against ●ll outward teaching Reply We are against a publike prayer which is in the state of the Phar●●e●s which Christ forbids but the praying with the Spirit we own and we are against sprinkling Infants for there is no Scripture for it but the Baptism of the Spirit we own and we are against all your singing Davids quakings tremblings prayers praises and prophesi●s in M●eter but the singing with the Spirit we own and all your performing Religion in your set hours daies and times we are against for that which is pure performs Religion and this is the pure Religion which keeps unspotted from the world therefore we do declare against your Traditions not to be Ordinances of Christ but the Ordinances of Christ we own Object And something in answ●r to your own practise concerning sprinkling of Infants is this First for the act of sprinkling thou sayest something may be held forth though you use it not Reply And here thou art confused you would go to hold up something for your own practise and yet thou sayest you do not use it Object And thou bringest the bloud of Christ which is called the bloud of sprinkling and thou sayest seeing water in Baptism be sprinkled and the subject types of Christs bloud Reply Here thou hast made this tipe Christ made it not neither is there any such types made in the Scripture neither any such seal as sprinkling infants Object And thou sayest as for sprinkling Infants something may be held forth for it the bloud of Christ called the bloud of sprinkling Rep. Here thou would'st set the sprinkling of Infants above the Bloud of Christ and make the bloud of Christ of none effect and make the bloud of Christ a figure of sprinkling Infants but the bloud of Christ we own and deny thee and thy holdings forth who would make the substance a figure or a type sprinkling Infants and many Scriptures you bring but not a word to justifie sprinkling Infants and fain you would bring some Scriptures to cover thee but there is not one will witness thee in the Scriptures for sprinkling Infants Object And whereas thou bring'st Gen. 17. ver 7. as concerning God establishing his promise to his seed Rep. Thou lyar here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to pervert the Scriptures doth that Scripture speak of sprinkling Infants there is not such a word in it who makes people blind like thy self and would'st make them but God hath raised up a light in the hearts of his people that doth discover thee Object And thou bring'st Exod. 12.48 which there is not a word in it to justifie sprinkling Infants and thou bring'st Deut. 19.10.11 Jer. 31.34 Rep. I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for in all these Scriptures there is not a word that speaks of sprinkling Infants but thou lyar and Sorcerer goes about to bewitch people with thy Inchantments but thy Whoredoms are di●covered and Acts 22.16 thou pervertest there is not a word in it of sprinkling Infants and Acts 2.38 which thou would'st pervert And here again I charge thee to be a lyar for those Scriptures do not speak of sprinkling Infants and to the state of Simon Magns thou art not yet come to witness that Baptism as he did but art in thy Sorcery and so as thou made a type thou art now making Seals and Covenants and thy sprinkling Infants is a Seal of thy Covenants which there is not a word in Scripture for Again Gen. 17.7 thou perverts the Scriptures to maintain sprinkling Infants which there is not a word in Scripture to justifie it and Rom. 4.11 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Heb. 10.16 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Jer. 33.33 thou bring'st to justifie it where there is not so many verses in it not 33. Col. 2.11 thou bring'st also to justifie sprinkling Infants which speaks not one word for it and Exod. 12.48 over again once would have served thee to prove thy self a lyar and Deut. 9.10.11 thou bring'st over again to prove thy self a lyar withal for there is not one word to justifie it and thou bring'st Mat. 7.4 for the application of Water and here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures for not one word in all these Scriptures doth speak of sprinkling infants who would have a cl●ak but canst get none and calls these the Ordinances of Christ which are none for the Ordinances of Christ we own and Baptism we own but thy Traditions we deny Object And in thy answer concerning praying afore and after Sermon Rep. Thou bring'st the Saints conditions the Apostles praying and the Saints to justifie thy own who a●t in the state of the Pharisees and so puts no difference between the holy and prophane betwixt the precious and the vile and so shews thy self to be a false Prophet among the false Prophets for as thou confesses thou never heard the Voice of God and denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to pray or talk of the Church of Christ the Apostles conditions who hast shewed thy self to be an hypocrite for God hears not hypocrites and we do believe and know that you never heard his Voice and here thou sh●west thy prayers are abomination to him therfore I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to let the Saints conditions and prayers alone for God heareth the righteous but accepts not the prayers of the wicked who art not come so far as Balaam for he heard the Voice of God therefore because the Saints prayed which you would bring their conditions for thy praying afore and after Sermon and there is no Scripture will cloke you Object And whereas thou sayest women are not suffered to teach Rep. And did not Christ send a woman to teach and did he not say his Daughters shall Prophecy thou art the woman that art forb●dden to teach who confesses you never heard Gods Voice nor immediate inspiration therefore silence flesh before the Lord but the Apostles and Saints praying we own