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A44833 An answer to a book called A just defence and vindication of Gospel-ministers, and Gospel-ordinances put forth by J.G. In which he pretends an answer to E.B.'s Tryal of the ministers, and other things against the Quakers. ...Given forth from him who desires the edification and satisfaction of all in the things appertaining to the Kingdom of God, Rich. Hubberthorn Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1660 (1660) Wing H3217; ESTC R219971 13,602 16

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and purified and this we command all Priests to do as Plynny writeth And hereby thou mayest know the first Father or Inventor of this your practise the Pope and not the Apostles so when thou writes again do not so undervallew al the Quake's as thou hast done in this thy book as to say that they dare not read Latine Books nor have read Histories and thou sayest we count it a sinn for Ministers to learn Latine But these are but false aspersions for we do not account it sinn to learn Latine Greek or Hebrew neither are we afraid to read them but we so far do read and know them that we have found out the Priests deceipt by pretending that of the Tongues which they had not and though you Preach and Practise that which you know not where it had it's beginning yet we know how deceit came in and how it hath overspread you with darknesse and ignorance and because you see not therefore you judge us to be blind but the Light of knowledge is arisen in which we see before the Pope his holy Water mingled with salt or sprinkling Infants was and see the beginning and End of those dark inventions and our Doctrine and Principles tends to the bringing of People to know a true living foundation for all their practices and that the darknesse of Popery and traditions of men may not alwayes keep people in blindnesse to practise the Popes inventious instead of the Apostles and Christ Doctrine who by the bright shining of his light is leading people to his Baptism which is by one spirit into one body by fire and by the Holy-Ghost and such can no longer be kept in that which doth not so much as wash away the filth of the flesh but comes to the Answer of a good Conscience and witnesseth the Baptism which saveth as the Apostle Peter saith 1 Pet. 3. 21. and such are come to the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost Again to fill up thy book thou hast charged many false things upon us and so findst thy self work by enlarging thy lyes one after another As first thou sayst some of us have affirmed that Christ did never arise from the grave and that his body is rotted within the grave and that some of us have made a mock of his Doctrine of Justification by the imputation and the intercession of Christ Answ. These things are thy own and were never affirmed by any of us but on the contrary that Christ is arisen from the dead and is become our first fruits and by the imputation and intercession are we Justified and of God is he made unto us Justification and life Again thou saist we neither know nor understand what your Ministers preach Answ. Yes we both know and understand that they preach lyes in the Name of the Lord and we know and understand that thou art going about to make a defence and vindication for them in so doing Again thou sayst the Quakers say it matters not whether a man doe any good works seeing they make him not good Page 41. Answ. This is false for none of the Quakers ever said so for our goodnesse is of the Lord and not of works and because we have received goodnesse and mercy from him therefore doe we those things that please him and are obedient to his Will and Commands Again Page 43. that we say a man is saved by hearkning to the light within him and obeying the same Answ. We never said that by hearkning or obeying that man is saved but by him which they are to hear and obey are they saved and without hearkning to his voyce and obeying of him to whom he is preached there is no Salvation Again Page 47. Thou sayst the Quakers instead of blessing and praying for their Enemies curse them Answ. This is false for we blesse and curse not but all cursed practices words and actions we testifie against and for this cause are we accounted thy enemies because we tell thee the truth Again page 48. Thou sai●t instead of abhorring our selves we justify our selves Answ. This is of the number of the rest a false accusation for selfe is that which we beare witnesse against in all justifying nothing but what God justifieth and condemning nothing but what God condemneth Again page 49. Thou sayest the Quakers are so proud to think and say they are more perfect then the Apostle Paul Answ. When did any of the Quakers say they were more perfect then the Apostle but it seems thy tongue is at liberty to make a refuge for the Priests and fill a volume of paper with lyes Again page 51 thou sayst that many of the Quakers go up and down naked to manifest that they are as perfect as Adam was in Innocency Answ. Their going naked is as a Sign unto thee the Priests whom the Lord is now stripping of the sheeps cloathing that all may see your shame and nakednesse and that which you have been covered with is but as leaves and a Formal Notional Profession of God without his Life Power or Spirit and you must be as naked from this covering before you be Innocent as ever any Quaker hath been from their cloaths Again page 56. 57 thou sayest that we do condemn not only the Churches now in being but all that ever have been the Churches of Asia Corin●h Galatia and Thessalonica c. Answ. This is but an addition to thy former lyes for those Churches we do own and all such as do walk in their life and are guided by their Spirit for the Church of the Thessalonians was in God 1 Thes. 1. but thou hast appeared to be of another Spirit and hast manifested thy self to be a condemner of those Churches as well as of us as in page 55. thou saist in the Church at Corinth that there was such corrupt members among them as you can scarce find in the worst of your Congregations So of that which thou falsly chargest us thou art truly guilty thy self and so hast condemned those Churches and Iustified your selves But what corruption was it that was so bad in those Churches that is not in the worst of your Congregations Again as a proof for thy condemning your own Churches thou brings Brightmans words saying behold whatsoever is first that is true and whatsoever is later that is false Chap. 3. page 113. So that hereby by thy old Author and Logick thou hast proved all your Churches in England to be false for the Churches of Asia Corinth Galatia and Thessalonica these were the first but the Churches in England Episcopal and Presbytery these are latter therefore false Again pag 60. Thou sayest the Quakers say they are so perfect that they cannot grow in knowledge nor grace Answ. The Quakers never said so but on the contrary we do grow in knowledge and in grace whereby we se and comprehend how thou and the Preists do grow in rage enmity and false accusations against us and