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A27139 The true Christ owned in a few plain words of truth, by way of reply to all such professors or profane who lay to the charge the elect people of God called Quakers that they deny the bloud of Christ, and his body, and resurrection, and that they deny the Lord that brought them, and trample the blood of the Covenant under their feet ... / by William Bayly. Bayly, William, d. 1675. 1667 (1667) Wing B1542; ESTC R25915 15,895 23

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them and so upbraided them with their unbelief in that particular yet we need not be upbraided with unbelief by any as you have done saying We deny the Resurrection of the Body but we do really believe that Christ is risen from the dead and entred into his Glory according to the Scriptures who said to his Disciples at the Supper I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the Vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers Kingdom and that after he was risen from the dead he would go before them into Galilee So these things they did witness fullfilled according as he had said Whose Cup of Blessing which they blessed was it not the communion of the Blood of Christ c. 1 Cor. 10.16 And did not his Blood clense them from all Sin as they walkt in the Light in which their fellowship and communion was 1 John 1.7 read with understanding in the Fear of the Lord. And so mark your great Argument upon what occasion he thus appeared and spoke A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have Did he thus speak that his Disciples should alway look after Flesh and Bones to appear amongst them and to be with them and comfort them for ever Or did he not appear to them in another form And last of all did he not appear to Paul who was called Saul as to one born out of due time And how did he appear to him mark When it pleased God to reveal his Son in me c. Object But here may an Objection rise Did not Paul see that very Person or Body or visible Christ that the rest saw even the visible Flesh and Bones that Thomas felt the print of the Nails and the hole of the Spear after he was risen from the dead c. Answ Suppose he did for he shewed himself so to Witnesses and not unto all yet Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Christ after that did not talk so much of Flesh and Bones and not at all with the word visible as you do but on the contrary as Paul himself said after God had revealed his Son in him Henceforth know we no man after the Flesh yea though we have known Christ after the Flesh yet now henceforth know we him so no more 2 Cor. 5.16 Mark he speaks as well in behalf of all them that so knew him as of himself though they had been witnesses of his so appearing Now if Christ should so come and appear as you say with visible Flesh and Bones or after the Flesh as you look for him Paul would not know him nor the rest of the Apostles of Christ who were Eye-witnesses of his Majesty and Glory Would they do well then Would not they deny the Lord that bought them then For he said We know him no more henceforth though we have known him after the Flesh and speaks not so far outward as your word visible Is Paul and the rest of the Apostles of Christ of your Judgement or of the Quakers let Gods Witness in you all answer Would ye receive such into Fellowship with you that do say as Christ did The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life when they look so much at his outward Person or Fleshly appearance in that Body And if the Apostles and Christ do well to speak after this manner Why do ye then brand the harmless Quakers so called with Heresie who speak and own the same things that they did and not contrary As you may read at large in the Scriptures of Truth how they all preached The Kingdom of God within and the word nigh in the heart and in the mouth and that none shold say in their hearts Who shall ascend up into Heaven to bring Christ down c. And God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 But we have this Treasure in Earthen Vessels that the Excellency of the Power may be of God and not of us verse 7. And said David Psal 45.13 The Kings Daughter is all glorious within And who is this King's Daughter but they whom God is their Father who said I will dwell in them and walk in them I will be their God and they shall be my People 2 Cor. 6.16 And this is our Message That God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all and the Light within giveth the Knowledge of his Glory in the Face of Jesus Christ and this Glorious Treasure is in Earthen Vessels And know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates 2 Cor. 13.5 And I have hid thy Word in my heart and thy Word is a Light to my Feet and a Lanthorn to my Paths said David he did not say the Scripture nor the visible Flesh and Bones was a Light to his Feet but the Word in his Heart And in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and God was the Word in him was Life and the Life is the Light of Men c. And David said The Lord is my Light and my Salvation Psal 27.1 And Isaiah said The Lord shall be unto thee an Everlasting Light Isa 60.19 And said the Apostle Now the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty that is where he dwells and walks as he said and there is one Lord and his name one and Jesus is Lord who said I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not abide in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life and if they have it it must be within them or in them And again said Christ who is the true Light Neither pray I for these alone but for them also which shall believe on me through the Truth that they may all be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they also may be one in us see how this comes to pass I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one c. Here is the Father and his Son in his People as God said He would dwell in them and as Christ said My Father and I will come and make our abode with him that keeps his sayings And this is the Language of the Scriptures and he that is with you shall be in you c. and the same Spirit that raised up Christ from the Dead shall also quicken your mortal Bodies here they all preached the Light within and Christ within if ye can understand and God in his People And manifold more might be instanced to prove their Principles and Doctrine whom you call Blaspemers but the World shall know that our Testimony is True in the day at hand as I told some of you when ye so fiercely contended against and spake evil of the things ye understand not And when
I spoke of Christ who said Before Abraham was I am and that all things were made by him and for him c. said one William Burnet a Baptist-Teacher There was nothing made by Christ then said I By whom were all things made in the beginning Said he By the Word Now let all People see the Darkness of these Men whom their envy hath blinded that they cannot see the plain Scripture how that Christ is called The Word of God Rev. 19. and in divers places he is called the Word And said the Apostle Paul By him were all things created that are in Heaven and that are in Earth visible and invisible c. Coloss 1.16 So it s no marvel they oppose us and revile us about these things when they belye the Apostle and contradict his plain words who are like the unbelieving Jews that looked at the outward age of the Person of Christ when he said to them Before Abraham was I am Is not this the true Christ that was before Abraham Was not he with the Father glorified before the World began Will ye deny these things so plainly recorded in the Scriptures of Truth And is not Christ Jesus the same yesterday day to day and for ever And did not John Baptist say He that cometh after me is preferred before me for he was before me See here Did not this Baptist-Teacher see farther then you Baptist-Teachers do now who cries out the visible Flesh and Bones is the Saviour And farther than the unbelieving Jews who said Thou art not Fifty years old and hast thou seen Abraham Whose answer serves for you all Before Abraham was I am Then took they up Stones to cast at him John 8.59 Can you read your Spirit For ye throw the hardest things that ye can scrable up against us about these things except ye had the outward Power and Sword in your hands then I am sure some of you would punish the Blasphemers as ye call them with a Prison or Death like as your Brethren have done for We have a Law and by our Law he ought to die said the unbelieving Jews And the Pope hath a Law to Burn Hereticks that do not believe the Natural Visible Corruptible Bread and Wine to be the Real Natural Substantial Body and Blood of Christ and so the Saviour and Redeemer And in New-England the Zealous Professors of the Letter the Man-slayers and Murtherers have Laws against the Quakers and call them A Cursed Sect and you call them Blasphemers So that Christ's Words are fulfilled Ye shall be hated of all Nations or Opinions for my Name-Sake who said I am the Light of the World and before Abraham was I am And Lodowick Muggleton he curses them and cries They deny the Son to be a Person in the form of a Man which suffered death and is risen c. And calls them the Cursed Sect of Quakers But all your Curses and Revilings Scandals Lyes and Reproaches will turn back into your own Bosoms and shall not come nigh the Dwelling of them whom the Lord hath blessed for we do not deny the Person of Christ nor the Blood of Christ nor the Resurrection of the Body as we are falsly charged but do own them all in their Place and Office according to the Scriptures of Truth and we are one with the Saints and Apostles in the Primitive time in all these things and so are not a Sect but Members of his Body of his Flesh and of his Bones as they were Ephes 5.30 But his Sayings are fulfilled If they have called the Master of the House Beelzebub much more them of his Houshold If ye were of the World the World would love his own but because I have chosen you out of the World therefore the World hateth you The third Query and Charge 3. BVt do you Quakers own and believe the Resurrection of this Body that this very Body that is visible of Flesh and Bones which we now see and feel and handle do you believe that this same Body shall rise again said Matthew Caffen and his Companion Burnet while they were handling one hand with the other For we believe you do not but deny the Resurrection of this same visible Body of Flesh and Bones as we have good ground to believe by your Books in which we cannot find that you own the visible Man Christ that is risen and ascended up into Heaven and sitteth at the Right-hand of God nor the Resurrection of this same visible Body if you do or do not say ay or no said M. C. directly to the Question Answer As I told thee then in that Discourse upon the Heath so I tell thee again That the Man Christ and his Resurrection from the Dead I own according to the Scriptures which thou said was general and nothing to the Question Then said I I own the Resurrection of the Body as Paul did and mentioned his words It is sown a Natural Body it is raised a Spiritual Body It is sown in Weakness it is raised in Power And there is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body c. And whereas you cry the self same visible Body of Flesh and Bones you believe shall be raised and this is your Faith and Principle I do not so read it in your tearms in all the Scripture of Truth though ye alledge that saying in Ezekiel chap. 37. about the dry Bones I will lay Sinews upon you and will bring up Flesh upon you and cover you with Skin and put breath in you and ye shall live and ye shall know that I am the Lord. Now look in the 11th Verse and see the Mystery thereof if it be not above your reach for you are very near the Earth though ye talk so much of Heaven whether it was not spoken only of the Restoration of the Jews out of their Captivated and dead state as the Apostle said What shall the reviving or returning of them be but life from the dead Rom. 11.15 Consider well what ye say and whereof ye affirm for the Light will make all things manifest and the Fire must try your Works And we have read that Fifteenth Chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians through and find not your word visible in it from the one end to the other which speaks as much or more of the Resurrection as any place that I know of But I find Paul an Apostle of our Lord Jesus saying Thou Fool to such as queried how are the dead raised up And with what Body do they come But he doth not tell people as you do that the same visible Body of Flesh and Bones shall be raised up but says Thou sowest not that Body that shall be and in the 50th verse speaks very plainly which might be a full answer to your visible Flesh and same Flesh and to your shame Now this I say Brethren said he that Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit