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The true Christ owned in a few plain words of truth, by way of reply to all such professors or profane who lay to the charge the elect people of God called Quakers that they deny the bloud of Christ, and his body, and resurrection, and that they deny the Lord that brought them, and trample the blood of the Covenant under their feet ... / by William Bayly.
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Bayly, William, d. 1675.
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them and so upbraided them with their unbelief in that particular yet we need not be upbraided with unbelief by any as you have done saying We deny the Resurrection of the Body but we do really believe that Christ is risen from the dead and entred into his Glory according to the Scriptures who said to his Disciples at the Supper I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the Vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers Kingdom and that after he was risen from the dead he would go before them into Galilee So these things they did witness fullfilled according as he had said Whose Cup of Blessing which they blessed was it not the communion of the Blood of Christ c. 1 Cor. 10.16 And did not his Blood clense them from all Sin as they walkt in the Light in which their fellowship and communion was 1 John 1.7 read with understanding in the Fear of the Lord. And so mark your great Argument upon what occasion he thus appeared and spoke A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have Did he thus speak that his Disciples should alway look after Flesh and Bones to appear amongst them and to be with them and comfort them for ever Or did he not appear to them in another form And last of all did he not appear to Paul who was called Saul as to one born out of due time And how did he appear to him mark When it pleased God to reveal his Son in me c. Object But here may an Objection rise Did not Paul see that very Person or Body or visible Christ that the rest saw even the visible Flesh and Bones that Thomas felt the print of the Nails and the hole of the Spear after he was risen from the dead c. Answ Suppose he did for he shewed himself so to Witnesses and not unto all yet Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Christ after that did not talk so much of Flesh and Bones and not at all with the word visible as you do but on the contrary as Paul himself said after God had revealed his Son in him Henceforth know we no man after the Flesh yea though we have known Christ after the Flesh yet now henceforth know we him so no more 2 Cor. 5.16 Mark he speaks as well in behalf of all them that so knew him as of himself though they had been witnesses of his so appearing Now if Christ should so come and appear as you say with visible Flesh and Bones or after the Flesh as you look for him Paul would not know him nor the rest of the Apostles of Christ who were Eye-witnesses of his Majesty and Glory Would they do well then Would not they deny the Lord that bought them then For he said We know him no more henceforth though we have known him after the Flesh and speaks not so far outward as your word visible Is Paul and the rest of the Apostles of Christ of your Judgement or of the Quakers let Gods Witness in you all answer Would ye receive such into Fellowship with you that do say as Christ did The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life when they look so much at his outward Person or Fleshly appearance in that Body And if the Apostles and Christ do well to speak after this manner Why do ye then brand the harmless Quakers so called with Heresie who speak and own the same things that they did and not contrary As you may read at large in the Scriptures of Truth how they all preached The Kingdom of God within and the word nigh in the heart and in the mouth and that none shold say in their hearts Who shall ascend up into Heaven to bring Christ down c. And God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our hearts to give the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 But we have this Treasure in Earthen Vessels that the Excellency of the Power may be of God and not of us verse 7. And said David Psal 45.13 The Kings Daughter is all glorious within And who is this King's Daughter but they whom God is their Father who said I will dwell in them and walk in them I will be their God and they shall be my People 2 Cor. 6.16 And this is our Message That God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all and the Light within giveth the Knowledge of his Glory in the Face of Jesus Christ and this Glorious Treasure is in Earthen Vessels And know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates 2 Cor. 13.5 And I have hid thy Word in my heart and thy Word is a Light to my Feet and a Lanthorn to my Paths said David he did not say the Scripture nor the visible Flesh and Bones was a Light to his Feet but the Word in his Heart And in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and God was the Word in him was Life and the Life is the Light of Men c. And David said The Lord is my Light and my Salvation Psal 27.1 And Isaiah said The Lord shall be unto thee an Everlasting Light Isa 60.19 And said the Apostle Now the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty that is where he dwells and walks as he said and there is one Lord and his name one and Jesus is Lord who said I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not abide in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life and if they have it it must be within them or in them And again said Christ who is the true Light Neither pray I for these alone but for them also which shall believe on me through the Truth that they may all be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they also may be one in us see how this comes to pass I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one c. Here is the Father and his Son in his People as God said He would dwell in them and as Christ said My Father and I will come and make our abode with him that keeps his sayings And this is the Language of the Scriptures and he that is with you shall be in you c. and the same Spirit that raised up Christ from the Dead shall also quicken your mortal Bodies here they all preached the Light within and Christ within if ye can understand and God in his People And manifold more might be instanced to prove their Principles and Doctrine whom you call Blaspemers but the World shall know that our Testimony is True in the day at hand as I told some of you when ye so fiercely contended against and spake evil of the things ye understand not And when
THE True Christ Ovvned IN A few Plain Words of Truth by way of Reply to all such Professors or Profane who lay to the charge of the Elect People of God called Quakers That they deny the Bloud of Christ and his Body and Resurrection and that they deny the Lord that bought them and trample the Blood of the Covenant under their feet This is the great Out-cry in the Mouthes of such as know not what they say nor whereof they affirm lifting up their Voices like the unbelieving Jews of Heresie and Blasphemy against us and all this is because we answer not their Wils and the Imaginations of their dark mind but according to the Manifestation of God in every mans Conscience as the true Apostles and Ministers of Christ did and according to the Scriptures of Truth which Holy Men of God spake forth as they were moved by the Holy Ghost as will plainly appear to all whose Eye the Lord hath opened which may give much satisfaction to such as sincerely desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus and walk in it for whose sake and the Vindication of the Truth and People of God is this written By WILLIAM BAYLY London Printed in the Year 1667. The Preface READER who ever thou art consider seriously that the things of God and the true knowledge of them are of deep and weighty concernment and there are but few in comparison that have attained to the true and right knowledge of the Mysteries of his everlasting Kingdom notwithstanding their great noise and talk of Profession the things that truly belong to their peace are hid from their Eyes and their House is desolate and so will remain till they are turned from the Darkness to the Light of Christ which shines in their hearts as it is written God who commanded Light to shine out of darkness hath also shined in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ Mark here what gives the true knowledge of the things of God which the natural man understands not because they are spiritually discerned it is the Light which shines in the hearts of people which is the Maifestation of the Spirit of God given to every man to profit withal and except people be turned to this and learn of it they can never be profited in the Way and Worship and true Knowledge of God Therefore while People are from th Gift of God in them they put Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light And so if thou wouldst have a clear and right understanding of these things and be fully satisfied in thy own mind concerning them thou must wait in the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ for Counsel and Instruction for no man can know the things of God but by the Spirit of God who giveth his Holy Spirit to them that rightly ask it of him to which I shall leave thee to be led into the right understanding hereof that the things belonging to thy Souls peace may not be hid from thee The First Query and Charge 1. DO you Quakers own that Blood of Christ which was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem upon the Cross which when the Souldier thrust in his Spear forthwith there came Water and Blood and they that saw it bare Record that this was visible Blood which came out of the side of the visible Man Christ Do you own Justification by this Blood which was visible which we do believe you do not For we could never hear you directly answer us to this matter but evade it by other terms and shuffle it off not daring to shew your Faith and Principle in this particular so that we conclude and publish that you are them that deny Justification alone by the visible Blood of the visible Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary Thus said Matthew Caffen Answer As for the word visible Blood and visible Man which thou so much talkest of in this kind they are terms quite beside the Language of the Scriptures of Truth or else I am very ignorant of such Translations But we do as really own our Justification by the Blood of Jesus Christ the onely begotten Son of God as the Apostles and Saints of old did without any evasion or shuffling according to their very meaning and plain Declaration who said If we are in the Light as he is in the Light then have we fellowship one with another mark in what their fellowship was Is yours in the Light and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 You may see here is nothing mentioned of the word visible And again John 6.53 Then Jesus said unto them Verily verily I say unto you Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood ye have no Life in you Whoso eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life and I will raise him up at the last day For my Flesh is meat indeed and my Blood is drink indeed He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him c. These words of Truth we own and witness but your word visible Flesh and visible Blood which you would strain us up to express to answer your wills and dark imaginations we do not read from Christ nor his Apostles in all the Scriptures So we desire all People to take notice of the ground these People have to say we deny the Blood of Christ for because I did not answer Matthew Caffen in a late Discourse about these things in the express tearm visible it being not according to the form of sound words he therefrom concluded that we deny the Blood of Christ that we do not own justification by it who might as well conclude the same of Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ as of us for not using the word visible when they express the Flesh and Blood of Christ yea of Christ himself who leaves out that expression which they so much contend about and on the contrary saith The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life John 6.62 63. Then tell me O ye Professors of Christ's and his Apostles words who say they are your Rule What is that Flesh that is meat indeed And what is that Flesh that profits nothing seeing both are the words of Truth And again take the words of Peter a Minister of the Word which endureth for ever to the Elect that were scattered throughout several Places 1 Pet. 1.18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye are not redeemed with corruptible things as Silver and Gold from your vain conversation received by tradition from your Fathers but with the precious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot Why do you not here find fault with Peter for not using the word visible instead of precious which was my term several times to thee and thy Companions in that