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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling the Promise of God relating To such WOMEN WHO Through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become Prophetesses Daughters and Handmaidens And their Prophecying Teaching Preaching and Praying through the Operation of the Spirit of Christ in the Church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture Testimonies and Examples out of both the old and new Testaments both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel Despensation And the common Objection alledged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.12 c. clearly answered Recommended to the Consciences of all that value the Testimony of holy Scripture by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth Thomas Camm This is that which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter day saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams And on my Servants and on my Hand-maidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie Acts 2. Follow after Charity desire spiritual Gifts but rather that you may Prophesie for you may all Prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be edified 1. Cor. 14. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither Bond nor Free there is neither Male nor Female for you are all one in Christ Gal. 3.27 28. Printed by Andrew Sowle And sold at the three Kyes in Nags-head-Court in Grace-Church-Street 1689. THE PREFACE To the Reader NOtwithstanding that several have written upon the same Subject and that both plain clear and weighty as the Lord by his blessed Spirit hath moved and assisted you yet was I under obligation to cast in my Mite amongst my Brethren that by many Witnesses the matter may be Established in Testimony to the fulfilling that blessed Promise of Almighty God in pouring out of his Spirit upon both Daughters and Handmaidens as well as Sons and Servants and their Prophecying to Edification in the Church and the more especially because the following Testimony hath been a weighty concern upon my mind for several days in the movings and openings of the holy Spirit And now in the tender B●wels of Love sincerely as a Christians Duty and Service Recommends the same to the Consciences of all sort of People that profess Christianity Yet more particularly And first unto such as have taken occasion to render and conclude those People called Quakers to be deluded and sleighters undervaluers and den●ers of the holy Scriptures only because Daughters and Handmaidens through the operation of Gods holy Spirit in the divine movings thereof do in their Meetings and Gatherings together Speak and Prophesie as the Spirit gives utterance that the gain-saying Reflections and common Objections of such may be repelled and fully answered Secondly That all such as are well satisfied in the aforesaid Practice of Womens Speaking and Prophecying in the Gatherings of Gods People which is his Church and Congregation may be furnished with Scripture Testimonies and Examples to answer the Objections of all Gain-sayers And Lastly For the information and help of such as may through a kind of respect to at least the Letter of holy Scripture yet being but little or rather unacquainted with the holy Spirit that opens the mystery therein doth either read them in too literal a Sence or else through Ignorance wrest them and therefore may scruple or doubt of the Fractice of Gods People in this particular now if thou Reader be such a one I tenderly beg of thee to wait low in thy Mind to feel the Illumination of the holy Spirit by which holy Scripture was given forth whereby thou mayst not only have the mystery thereof opened in thee but also receive benefit by what hereafter in this following Treatise out of holy Scripture is in the Love of God recommended to thee in order to thy Satisfaction I have only made use of Scripture Testimony and Examples as through the holy Spirit that good Remembrancer they were brought into thy mind yet I believe much might be added not only from holy Writ but also from the Practice of many Godly Women in the dawning of the Gospel-Day and beginning of Reformation in these latter Ages when the Superstition of Popery began to be discovered and protested against who through the Spirit were made Instrumental in the Hand of God for the building up and confirming others in their Meeting and Congregating together as by Hystory of credit amongst Protestants may more fully be demonstrated but at present omitted for Brevity sake wherefore read and receive the following Lines in true and sincere Love to the Truth as it is in Jesus abandoning all Prejudice that the benefit designed thou mayst reap to Gods Glory Truth 's Praise and thy own Satisfaction and Comfort wherein my end will be fully answered who is one that heartily wisheth to thee and all Men the knowledge of the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus to whom with God the Father be Glory and Praise in all his Churches World without end Amen Thomas Camm Camsgil the 10th Month 1684. A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling of the Promise of God c. AND first in the time of the Law you may read in Exod. 25. that Miriam Moses's Sister was a Prophetess and prophesied in the Church or Congregation for the Word Church is by worthy Tindal most frequently Translated Congregation And in Num. 11.29 you may read how Moses the Man of God who had the Spirit of God and knew the Mind of God wished that all the Lords People Mark all the Lords People both Sons and Daughters did Prophesie or were Prophets Again you may read in the 4th and 5th Chapters of Judges how Deborah that Judged Israel and was a Mother in Israel through the Spirit of Christ Prophesied and Praised the Lord amongst the People the Congregation or Army to whom the Lord had given a great Victory over their Enemies further it may be observed that Deborah was a Mother in Israel and it s the concern of Mothers to Instruct and Teach their Children yea all others over whom God hath made them Judges and Overseers Again in the 1st and 2d Chap. of 1 Sam. you may read how Hanah Pray●● to and Praised the Lord and rejoyed in Gods Salvation in many gracious Expressions yea and in the Temple and in the presence of the High Priest Eli and we read not that he for bad her And in 2 King 22. you may read how good Josiah King of Judah sent to Husdab the Prophetess to enquire of the Lord by her and not by any other Prophet And you may also read what a blessed effect her Words had upon both King High-priest and People
understand the holy Book but such as are come to the holy Spirit according to measure by which holy Men were moved to give forth and write the same that 's the only Key who wants the same are the unlearned and unstable though outwardly never so profoundly Learned and it s they that wrests the Scripture as aforesaid it s such that knows not the fulfilling of that antient and blessed Promise of the Everlasting God in Pouring out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaidens such forbids both Sons and Daughters yea all besides themselves to Speak Preach or Prophesie in the Church they are not of Moses's mind for he wished all the Lords People Prophets and Paul saith You may all Prophesie one by one and if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his Peace but now none must Speak but themselves neither Son nor Daughter neither Servant nor Handmaid although God hath poured his Spirit upon them and said They shall Prophesie Yet notwithstanding such as are made Ministers by Men Ministers of the Letter but ignorant of the Spirit for the love they have to the Gain of their Ministry yea for filthy Lucer sake they forbid all both Men and Women besides themselves and furthermore if any that sits by have any thing revealed and do Speak he or she have been quickly hailed out and often either Beaten Stockt or cast into Prison for three Months by a Law made formerly to guard the Priests of that time as a Disturber And thus while they talk of God and Christ Moses Paul and the holy Scriptures they are acting quite contrary like the Scribes and Pharisees of old who in Words pretended love to God Moses and the Prophets and their Writings and to be waiting for the coming of the Messiah yet when he came they knew him not received him not though Moses and the Prophets were by them read every Sabboth-day that testified of him and they no doubt thought themselves profound in the knowledge of them yet as before said they did not know him nor receive him but crucified him as the greatest of Malefactors and the reason of their Ignorance is rendred the Vail was over their Hearts they knew not the meaning of the Spirit that spoke in the Prophets that testified of the coming of the Just One none that 's ignorant of the meaning of that Spirit that spoke in and through Paul can understand his Writings but either takes them too Literally or else wrests them as beforesaid for whoever draws that Conclusion from Paul's words in the Text before cited that all Females are prohibited to Speak Teach Preach Pray or Prophesie in the Church or Gatherings of God's people do make Paul not only to contradict God Almighty and the Practice of many Godly Women before cited but also himself and his own Testimony for first God hath said They shall Prophesie Christ hath commanded Mary and the other before-mentioned holy Women to preach his Resurrection in the Church to the eleven Apostles and the rest and they did it and we read not that any of the eleven or the rest of the Church then met together did forbid them Moreover Paul himself bids help those Women that laboured in the Gospel and commends Phebe as a Servant which is a Minister of the Church at C●nchera he hath given directions also how the Women are to demean themselves when they Pray or Prophesie and saith he You may all Speak or Prophesie one by one All that have the Spirit poured forth upon them may speak as the Spirit moves and gives utterance But it may be further objected That if it be thus that they may Speak and Prophesie who have the Spirit poured forth upon them who then are they that Paul prohibits or permits not to Speak in the Church 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.11 12. where he saith first to the Corinthians Let your Women keep silence in the Church for it s not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under Obedience as saith the Law and if they will learn any thing let them ask their Husbands at home for it is a shame for a Woman to speak in the Church Now let all seriously weigh the Words of the Text for if the Words must be taken in the Literal sence the Woman is not only prohibited speaking but learning in the Church for it s said If the Woman will learn any thing let her ask her Husband at home And if so it doth not only contradict what God Almighty hath said shall be and what holy Women have practised as before clearly is demonstrated but also Paul himself in the very same Chapter vers 30 31. where he saith If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by let the first hold his Peace for you may all mark all Prophesie one by one that all may learn mark all may learn and all be comforted Furthermore by the Text Womens Teaching or Prophecying is not prohibited but to speak which speaking must by the Words before related be understood to be Questions tending to strife the disturbance of the Church wherefore it s said Let her ask her Husband at home And such Speaking or Questions tendeth not to Edification Comfort but Disturbance and Contention of which there is no custom in the Churches of Christ And further to manifest that this was Paul's sence hear what he saith to the same Corinthians in Chap. 11. Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not that you come together not for the better but for the worse for first of all when you come together in the Church I hear that there be Divisions among you and I partly believe it Now it s such speaking as tendeth to Division and Contention that 's for the worse and not for the better in the Church that 's forbidden but teaching good things Praying or Prophecying is for the better praise-worthy tends to Edification and Comfort and hath no tendance to Strife or Contention neither can any reason be rendred that such Women thus Teaching Praying or Prophecying should be refered to learn of their outward Husbands at home besides many have none Further Paul in his second Epistle to Timothy very clearly declares what manner of Speaking and the Spkeaers which are forbidden in the Church hear what he saith Of these things put them in remembrance charging them before the Lord that they strive not about Words to no profit but to the subverting of the Hearers Shun prophane and vain Bablings for they will encrease unto more Vngodliness and their Words will eat as doth a Canker but foolish and unlearned Questions avoid knowing that they gender Strife having a Form of Godliness but denying the Power thereof from such turn away for of this sort are they which creep into Houses and lead captive silly Women loaden with Sins led away with divers Lusts ever learning and never able to
man Praying and Prophecying having his Head covered dishonoureth his Head but every Woman that Prayeth or Prophecyeth with her Head uncovered dishonoureth her Head for that is all one as if she were shaven c. Now he even Paul that gives this direction hath advised to desire after Spiritual Gifts but rather to Prophesie for Prophesie tendeth to the Edification of the Church and the Apostles travel and labour was that the Church might be edified by Prophecying in the Church So its clear he did not forbid the Female that had the Spirit of prophesie to speak in the Church to prophesie and pray in the Church nay he hath given directions how they should demean themselves when they pray and prophesie and saith he You may all speak one by one mark all that all may learn and may be edified God that hath poured out his Spirit is not to be limited in the Male nor Female these four Daughters of Philip's Paul saith did Prophesie God had poured out his Spirit upon them for that end that they might edifie the Church that it might be builded up and established in the most precious Faith of Jesus Christ such Women as were thus endued laboured in the Gospel as well as the Men as may be read in Phil. 4.3 And I entreat thee also true yoke-Fellow help those Women which Laboured with me in the Gospel with Clement also and with other my fellow-Labourers whose names are in the Book of Life Now Paul bid help the Women Labourers in and Publishers of the Gospel and not forbid them to speak nor publish the Gospel in the Church for their names were written in the Book of Life they were come to Christ by him they had Life he had poured out of his Spirit upon these Daughters and Handmaidens and they were in his name by his Power and Spirit to Prophesie to Preach and Teach in the Church to Labour with Paul and Clement in the Gospel● yea Paul was so far from forbidding that he entreats his yoke-fellow to help them yea he commands them to be Teachers of good things as may be seen in Titus 2. But speak thou the things saith Paul to Titus which become sound Doctrine that the aged Men may be Sober Grave Temperate sound in Faith in Charity in Patience The aged VVomen likewise that they be in Behaviour as becometh Holiness not false Accusers not given to much VVine Teachers mark Teachers of good things that they may Teach the young VVomen observe Teach the young Women to be Sober love their Husbands to love their Children to be Discreet Chaste keepers at Home Good Obedient to their Husbands that the VVord of God be not Blasphemed c. Here is good Women Teachers this is blessed Teaching such Teachers are not forbidden to speak in the Church such have Author●● from Christ and the Apostle Paul to be Teachers of good things amongst them with whom they Congregate and Meet for how shall they Teach them with whom they do not meet and where two or three are gathered in the Name and Fear of Christ there is he present there is his Church met together though but two or three and Females here they may yea Paul saith Let the Elder be Teachers of good things to the Younger such as are learned in the School of Christ have received the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of Truth that leads into all Truth and are led thereby acted thereby the Spirit speaking in them may instruct others teach others good things when they are gathered and congregated together yea in the Church Moreover Paul commends Phebe to the Romans as may be read in Rom. 16.1 And again makes mention of her in the Conclusion as followeth I commend saith he unto you Phebe our Sister which is a Servant of the Church which is at Cenchrea written to the Romans from Corinth and sent by Phebe Servant of the Church at Cenchrea here Paul calls Phebe our Sister and Servant that is Minister of the Church at Cenchrea for a Minister is a Servant So here all may see how Paul commends her to the Romans as a Minister of the Church and bids receive her in the Lord as becometh Saints and to assist her not one Word of forbidding her to Speak and Minister no no such as laboured with him in the Gospel was his fellow-Helpers therein his Sisters in the Lord and Companions in his Work and Ministry yea God Almighty through Christ had poured his Spirit upon them all Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaids they are all therefore to Prophesie Pray Preach and Teach as the Spirit moves leads instructs and gives utterance all is to wait upon God to be filled with the Spirit as Paul directs the Ephesians Ephes 5.18 Be not Drunk with Wine saith he wherein is Excess but be filled with the Spirit c. And further he adviseth not to grieve the Spirit as may be read in Eph. 4.30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God by which you are sealed to the Day of Redemption neither is this Spirit to be quenched nor Prophecying dispised as may be read in 1 Thess 5.19 20. Quench not the Spirit despise not Prophecying now to forbid to speak or command silence where God hath poured out his Spirit upon Daughters and Handmaids is to grieve the Spirit to quench the Spirit to despise Prophecying which Paul adviseth the Ephesians and Thessalonians not to do but to be filled with the Spirit to desire spiritual Gifts and rather to Prophesie and gives the Reason because saith he It tends to Edification Now by what 's above written it s cleared by Scripture Testimonies that Paul did not forbid Women filled with the holy Spirit to Speak and Minister in the Church so those that use Paul's Words against such Womens Speaking or Prophecying in the Church are ignorant of the Spirit that spoke in Paul unlearned by the same knows not the meaning mystery or inward sence thereof but either takes it too Literally or else as the Apostle Peter well observes in 2 Pet. 3.16 Even saith he as our beloved Brother Paul also according to the Wisdom given unto him as also in all his Epistles Speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest as they do also the other Scriptures unto their own Destruction Now it s such as are unlearned by the Spirit of Truth that leads into all Truth from which Spirit the holy Scriptures were given forth that wrests them for it s not by any other Learning that the heavenly Mystery in holy Writings of the Prophets and Prophetesses Apostles and holy Women can be understood or known it s not all the natural nor acquired Learning that may be got that can do it it s the Inspiration of the Almighty that gives this Knowledge and Understanding it s this Spirit that searcheth out all things yea the deep things of God none can rightly read or