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A01272 An other boke against Rastel named the subsedye or bulwark to his fyrst boke, made by Ihon Frithe preso[n]ner in the Tower Frith, John, 1503-1533.; Frith, John, 1503-1533. Disputacion of purgatorye. 1537 (1537) STC 11385; ESTC S105656 24,707 52

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he tossed me myne owne ball agayne but when I beholde hit I perceaue it to be non of myn for he hathe cut out all that shulde make for me so that he hath geuen it cleane an other shape then euer I entended that it shulde haue as it appereth by his wryting which reherseth my wordes in this maner I am sure there are many that merueyll that I being so yonge dare atempte to dyspute this matter against these .iii. persones But my wordes are this I am sure that there are manye that wyll moche meruayll that I beynge so ionge and of so small lerning dare dispute this matter c. Here Rastell leueth out the wordes and of so smake lernynge for yf he had put that in he had be wrayed him selfe For I thynke no man so madde as to saye that he which sayeth him selfe to be both yonge of small lerninge shulde prayse boste him selfe Also immediatly after the wordes of his fyrste allegacion I say on this maner And as touchinge my lerninge I muste nedes aknowlege as the trueth is that it is verye smal which I thynke is but a base bostīge and anon after I say I wolde not that any man shulde admitte my wordes or lerninge excepte they wyll stonde with the scripture be approued therby lay them to the touchstone and trye them with goddes worde yf they be founde false and cōtrary then dāpne them and I shall also reuoke them wyth al myn harte c. Hynallye I exhorted them to reade my boke not aduertysynge whoo speaketh the wordes but rather what is spoken by why the wordes you myght well se that I entended not to boste my selfe and all this haue I wryten and he lefte it out euē in the fyrste page as he calleth it wherin he reporteth that I boste my selfe Notwithstondinge one thinge doth sore vexe him that I shulde recyte the pystell of S. Paule wherbye he sayeth I wolde haue mē beleue that I had the sprete of god and thynke that though I be yonge that I se visyons and espye the truethe and that my elders haue dremed dremes and wandered in phantasyes This he recounteth to be a great boste that this one place shulde wynne hym the felde where vnto I answer that in dead my wordes do not proue that thinge which you seme ●o suerly to gather of thē but my wordes doo argue on this maner that no man ought to condēpne a thinge before he reade it 〈◊〉 then to geue sentēce and because you seme ignorant in the matter I shall declare it vnto you and howe it stondithe it is a coloure of rethoryke and is called auantopodosis that is to saye an answer to an obiecciō that a mā myghte haue here made on this maner thou grauntest thy selfe yonge and so smale lernynge doste thou thē thinke that we shall once reade or regarde thy boke speciallye sythe it is wryten agaynste auncyent men bothe of great wytte and dignyte to this twoo poyntes I answere preuentinge theyr obieccion that they shuld not dispyse it because of my youthe for as the sprete of god is bounde to no place euen so is he not addicte to anye age or person but enspyreth where he wyll and when he wyll brenge in for an ensample that he espyred yonge Tymothe prouinge ther by that the youth of it selfe is not to be dispised but accordinge to the lernynge whiche it bryngeth and that therfore they maye not dispise my youth but fyrst read what doctrine I brīge and therafter do iudge it no more in this I proued not that I am enspyred and haue the sprete of god as Tymothe had but only proue that God maye enspyre youthe as he dyd Tymothe and that therfor ye ought fyrste to reade before you condempne for you know not who is enspired who not vntyl you haue read their workes or sene their factes Thus you may se that my wordes define not that al yough is enspyred although som may be but I exhorte that no man despyse prophesies but proue all and approue that is good and to make the matter more playne I shall brynge you an example out● of Paule to the Hebreus whyche exhorteth thē to hospytalyte for by that som men onwares haue receaued angeles to herber be not therfore vnmyndful of it here Paule exhorteth yow to hospitalyte shewyng yow that by those meanes some men haue receaued angels into their house wolde not haue yow thynke that al the gestes which he shal receaue shalbe angels but some shal be ●ewde loselles And lykewise I inexor●inge yow to reade my boke and not dyspysynge my yowgth because that sumtyme godde enspyreth the yōge worde not haue yow thīke that the bokes made of yonge men whyche ye shal receaue shalbe holsome doctrine but some men be lewde vnfrutefull neuerthelesse euen as yf they receiued not those gestes they shulde also put awaye angels yf anye came So if yow despice to reade such bokes as be wryten by yonge men yow maye also fortune to dispyce thē which are wryten by the inspyracyen of Chrystes sprete and therfore ye ought to reade them But be it in cause I had in dead praysed my selfe as I haue not and that I had sayed that I had the sprete of god what inconuenience shulde folowe therof wolde yowe 〈◊〉 argue that my doctrine were false yf that were a good argument then were thrystes doctrine false then were Paule a false prophete and oure sayth nothynge for christ sayd to the Iewes that he was the lyght o● the worlde And agayne he sayd it is my father that glorifyed me whom you call youre god Nowe yf it had bene a sufficient argument to condempne his doctrine because the worlde callethe it bostynge than shulde we haue beleued no truth at all Besydes that Paull semeth not a lyttel to boste him selfe yf men loke on it with a carnall yie for he sayeth that he thinketh not him selfe inferior vnto the hyest apostels sayeth agayne that yf they glorye to be the mynisters of Chryste thoughe he speake vnwyslye he is more copyous in laboures in strypes aboue measure in preson more often often at the poynte of dethe c. Shulde we for this wordes thynke that his doctrine were not ryght Naye verelye that doth not inproue the doctrine but that it may be good and holsome for a man may boste himselfe and doo well so he referre the prayse to God from whom all goodnes cometh but be it in case that I shulde say that god of his mere mercy for the loue that he oweth me in Chryste and his bloude had geuē me his sprete that I might be to his laude prayse to whom be thankes for euer Amē wolde you thyncke that this were so greate abostinge that the doctrine shulde be impayred therbye Ah blynde gydes I praye God geue you the lyght of vnderstondinge I beseche you brother Rastell be not