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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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obedience conjoyned with them also Ans To thy 2. and 3. Question in the old Covenant the Law was written in Tables of stone which Law haveing a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10. 1. And when he came who saith Lo I come to do thy will O God he taketh away the first that he may establish the second ver 9. by which will we are sanctified thorow the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all ver 10. and by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified whereof the holy Ghost is a witnesse to us as he said before this is the covenant that I will make with them saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their hearts and in their minds will I write them ver 14 15 16. Jer. 31. 33. 4 Qu. Whether the Law in the heart without the use of Scriptures make any Evangelical discoveries of the person natures and Offices of Christ as he is Redeemer of lost man Ans Thy feigned words we wave the truth we witnesse the Law in the heart witnessed in the New Covenant Christ is known to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords 1 Tim. 6. 15. And the faithfull High Priest Heb. 2. 17. 3. 1. 4. 15. 5. 6 7. 26. 10. 2● who hath made us Kings and Priests to God and his Father c. Rev. 1. 6. 5 Qu. Whether all shall be saved that have the Law of God written in their hearts by virtue of the New Covenant or any be saved that live to years of discretion that know not Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him in order to his coming to the world to save sinners Ans All are saved who are guided by the righteous Law of the Spirit of life in Christ which sets them free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8. 2. And what years soever any live unto they have no discretion to know Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him but they who in his light waits upon him to be guided by him for who hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his Rom 8. 9. And for the rest of thy aspersions and revilings thou hast writ calling us deceivers that fear the Authority of man or else we would deny Christ himself Reply Christ we do not deny but him we own who respects no mans person Rom. 2. 11. and in him no fear of man is and we in him Reigns over thee and all the authority of the power of darknesse that stands in opposition to Christ the Son of God to whom every knee must bow Phil. 2. 10. the day shall declare it And in what thou hast replied to the Answer to the fourth Question which thou charges to be untrue to say That man in the fall as he stands in the state of corrupt nature hath not therein any light without Christ to doe any thing acceptable to God c. Which thou goes about to prove the contrary and saith there is the light and use of reason and understanding faculties though corrupted And further thou sayes This light of corrupt reason as before exprest presents to the conscience good and evill c. Reply In the light thou art seen to be in the corrupt Fountain from whence all these corrupt words hath come which thou hast Printed in thy Book and thy words are not true Corrupt reason of man doth not present to the conscience things good and evill a corrupt Tree cannot bring forth good fruit Mat. 7 18. There is nothing makes manifest darknesse but light Ephes 5. 15. which all men in the Fall is gone from out of the way and there is none that doth good no not one Rom. 3. 9 10 11 c. And the naturall man receives not the things that are of God nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 12. 14. And all the righteousnesse of man in this state is as a filthy rag and a menstruous cloath Isa 64. 6. And this is the state of man in corrupt nature And the light that convinces man of this dark and corrupt estate he is in is the light of Christ that convinces the World of sin righteousnesse and judgement John 16. 8. So we that were sometimes darknesse are now light in the Lord Ephes 5. 8. And who walk in the light there is no occasion of stumbling 1 John 2. 10. And whereas thou sayest Thou knowes we will lye as thou hast made it manifest Reply It is not so thou hath not made yet manifest any lye that we have spoken by any truth thou hath declared And thou goes on as in thy 89 Page thou sayes The rational soul of man corrupted is called the candle of the Lord which we invent to be Christ which is false we deny that the corrupt soul of man is the candle of the Lord or Christ And further thou sayes It was thy intended work to goe thorow all the Answers to the ten Questions but for want of thy paper which thou sa●es we detained from thee contrary to our Promise In which thou says not true for the promise was to thee thou should have a coppy of thy paper which thou sent to us when it was ready for thee which was not then written neither was any time set down of thy haveing it and as way was made a coppy according to our promise came to thy hands And in the close of thy Book thou goes on as thou begun saying we deny Scriptures as to the end they were intended and reproach the Ordinances of the Lord Jesus which the Scriptures teach under the notion of heathenish worships c. which is answered to in the truth declared a witnesse to stand against all the reproaches that thou hast cast upon the truth of the liveing God and the God thou art pleading for cannot crown thee with honour in the day wherein the liveing God will exalt his son and clear the innocency of his people then shall the God whose worship thou art defending be confounded and confusion and shame shall stop thy mouth and if this come not to passe as declared then say the Lord hath not spoken by me And in that thou calls thy Post-script in the end of thy Book the things therein thou falsely accuses us with and calls them the Rocks which we are to manifest how we shall escape which is clearly made manifest in what is written in answer to thy Book Only this where thou sayes we make no difference between the visible professing Church and the Pagan world all may be saved alike if they will c. Reply They that make a visible Profession of Christ and deny to walk in the light of his Spirit are of the world that lies in wickednesse 1 John 5. 19. Mat. 7. 21. as well as them thou calls the Pagan world and
witnesse against thy false accusations and revileings which thou hast filled thy Book withall As in the 14. and 15. Pa Speaking to them thou calls friends whom thou sayst is seduced and thou declares that those whom thou charges with seducing them doth teach them to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship without scruple or checke of Conscience before they can enjoy God or be taught immediately what to do first put out the true light and power of Conscience to do his office by de spising the means of enlightning and convincing it to act in the soul and then resolves to follow the immediate commands of Conscience without questioning the Author of those Lawes at all Reply Thy accusation is fals we do not teach any to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship neither put out the true light we teach all to be obedient to the commands of God who saith this is my beloved Son in whom I am wel-pleased hear him Mat. 17. 5. And we bear testimony of him that he is the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. and convinces the world of sin Righteousnesse and Judgement Joh. 16. 8. and he alone commands in the Conscience for God and is the Author of the perfect Law handed in the hand of a mediator to whom we exhort all to be subject and in whom all the Children of light walk Col. 2. 6. And for thy expressing a depth of deceit and delusion which thou charges upon us which is found in thy self who hath made lyes thy refuge to slander the innocent which is further manifest in thy 16. Pa. Thou sayst we take no notice of Scripture authority as if they were altogether out of date which false accusation is witnessed against in what is returned in answer to the preface of thy Book And in the 17. and 18. Pa. thou charges us with impudent foreheads to make a shew of one thing and intend another purposely minded to deceive and yet they tell us often that as they write so they meane and speak the truth in plainesse most horrible hypocrisy and deceit which nothing but a lying and a knavish head dare goe about to excuse c. And all those unsavory words as before written wherein thou sayst we have discovered to purpose the deceit of our answer in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and where the new Covenant is witnest the law is written in the heart and the witnesse and testimony of Jesus within bearing witnesse with our spirits that we are the Sons of God Reply Doing any thing of purpose to deceive through hypocrisye or knavish heads we deny and in the presence of God we speak the truth in plainesse and doe witnesse there is no deceit in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and all in the new Covenant do know the law of God written in their hearts and the witnesse or testimony of Jesus within 1 Jo. 5. 10. bearing witnesse with their spirits that they are the Children of God Ro. 8. 16. and this declared is neither deceitfull nor knavish which is the unsavory words thou charges on us let the truth of God in all Consciences judge to whom they belong the Scriptures we are not against they bear testimony of Christ the light whom we witnesse the way to the father Mat. 1. 27. None knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him by the revelation of the Spirit of God is the things of God knowne to his people 1 Cor. 2. 9. 10. 13. Ro. 8. 11. 16. according as is recorded we witnesse the Scriptures fulfilled in Christ the light who is our life Col. 3. 3. 4. And whereas thou queries did ever any read of the law and testimony in the heart and that the law and testimony in the heart is the law of the new Covenant Reply Who hath read the Scripture in the fear of God hath read what the Lord hath promised as declared Isa 8. 16. Bind up the testimony seal the law among my Disciples and Jer. 31. 33. This shall be the Covenant I will make with the house of Israel in those daies saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their inward parts and write it in their hearts Heb. 8. 10 11 12. and the law written in the heart we witnesse and the Lord faithful in performing according to his Promise in the new Covenant And thou goes on in the 19. and 20. Pa calling us impostors and pervertors of the new Covenant and to be in Idle proud fancyes and itching humors of our owne brains in our Apostate Condition Reply We in the light can bear thy reproach and have witnessed the truth that it may stand a witnesse against thy revileings and in the Lord we rest who will make manifest whether thou or we be the perverters of the new Covenant and guilty of what thou charges us with And whereas thou in the 22. Pa. sayes that W. Dewesberry tells us that the mighty day of the Lord is appeared in the North of England and is riseing towards the South and shall overspread this Nation and all the Natious of the world c. what the mans fancy and designe is in bruiting and makeing such a noise of the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his owne folly in blazing abroad such dreams of his owne lying heart c. Reply In thy 2. Pa. thou hath enlarged thy self concerning that Book calling it a lying paper c. and the truth is witnessed in answer to thy charge and this in answer to what is here written fancies bruitishnesse folly dreams and lyes W. Deusberry denys the truth he hath declared as the Lord hath him moved in faithfullnesse to the souls of all people that they be not found the sloathfull servants putting the day of the Lord a farr off in this his day wherein the houre of his righteous judgement is come Rev. 14. 7. to all that wait on him the truth is declared that all men may prepare in the light the Lord to meet and no longer in sloathfulnesse remain least he come upon them as a theife in the night and if the day of the Lord do not arise over all the world and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdomes of our Lord and his Christ and the Lord performe not as is declared then say the Lord harh not spoken by me who is known to the world by name William Dewsberry And in the 22. Pa. thou says we have set our selves in the Throne of Christ judging the whole world Reply Thy accusation is false self we deny to Christ we are snbject who sits on his Throne and is come and comeing in his Saints to judge the world Jude 14 15. 1 Cor. 6. 2. and 2. 5. And in the 23. Pa. thou sayst why do not we command the dead to rise