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A44501	The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered.	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2807; ESTC R221604	29,025	16

not answering any thing to the purpose divers called to him to answer to the business or else to own himself a Deceiver or to that purpose T. M. Answer then whether Paul was born then of God or believed Jesus to be Christ or to that purpose G. W. You are two to one T. M. We speak both but one thing we ask the same thing G. W. I came not here to satisfie unreasonable men Paul spake at a Jew to the Ju● J. H. Then he spake there false it seems of himself wilt thou say so He b●●ng p●zled about it J. H. said to him Ah George where is thy vaunting Language now as if thou couldst tread down all before thee and thy setting up thy self above God G. W. Thou be●●est me Did I set up my self above God See people how 〈…〉 or to that purpose J. H. Didst thou not set up thy self above God when thou didst reproach me by my G●d as if he would or could not carry me forth against thee He said If thy God will c●●ry thee forth by way of reproach Also I was informed that at Godney they said They would make us ashamed of our God Now if God be the true God as he is what but a setting up themselves above God was this let all judg J. H. Canst thou deny that Paul was born of God when an Apostle or that he believed that Jesus was the Christ G. W. Paul spake to the state of others when he said O wretched man that I am and groaned and waited for the Redemption of the body J. H. Did Paul then witness or experiment the Redemption of his Body from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he did witness it T. M. Witness it But Had he it was his body redeemed from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he had the Redemption of his body before he dyed J. H. Is not the body sown in corruption when it dyes It is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption G. W. Yea but is not sin corruption J. H. How is it redeemed from corruption before it dye when it is sown in corruption when it dyes G. W. Corruption is sin Pauls body was redeemed from the Law of sin and Death J. H. But is all corruption sin There is a corruption of mortality th●t came in by sin G. W. All corruption is sin or came in by sin and take away the cause and the effect ceases Now we shall prove that he was made free from sin T. M. Answer plainly and prove it from the Scripture That the Redemption of the body that Paul waited for he had it before he dyed For you bring nothing for it ●et but your corrupt Logick in which one as weak as my self might discover its ●alsness G. W. Did I use any Logick what Logick T. M. Where there is freed me from the cause the effect ceases Now that Paul had freedome from sin the cause of corruption before he dyed is that you w●nt about to prove and so to get from the Question J. H. Yea that is Logicall but will not alwayes hold the effect may last when the cause is goue as a house may stand when he that built it is dead but is not that corruption which is in death in which the body corrupteth and did not Paul wait for the Redemption of his body from that G. W. Yea that death that came in by sin but what death was that that cameth by sin he said he asked the Question before I asked what follovvs though I do not remember that he did I. H. What Death came not in by sin G. W. What death came in by sin I. H. I asked thee vvhat death came not in by it G. W. I ask thee a question and thou ansvverest me by asking me an●ther Ansvver my Question I first asked thee I. H. I did not hear that thouaskedst that Question first but thou saidst That death that came in by sin and I asked thee what death came not in by sin G. W. Nay I asked thee first What Death came in by sin and thou refusest to ansvver my Question Is this fair I. H. pe●ceiving he sought occasion to vvinde out from the business in hand by starting another Question if he did first ask it or whensoever he started it replyed I remember not that thou didst ask me that first but however 't is not my business now to answer thy questions that may lead us from the matter in hand My business is now to prove my charge against thee if thou wilt own that that is done I will answer thee thy question G.W. pulling out a book writ by J.H. and T.M. about their former Dispute with him and S.F. would fain have diverted to it and said He would prove J.H. had there bely'd him J.H. Thou hast answered that Book in print the people may see what thou sayst against us there and we shall give it an answer God willing ere long what have we to do with hearing thee read in that book now G.W. I will prove here that J.H. hath here contradicted himself or to that purpose and would fain have been reading J.H. If thou wilt grant I have proved my charg we will hear thee read but if not let me do what I come about Answer me and prove that Paul had the Redemption of his body there spoken of before he dyed G.W. urging yet to read the people told him That was to go from his business and bid him answer to what he was charged with or say the Charg was proved J.H. Did Paul prove the Redemption of his body before his decease for which he waited as he sayes Rom. 8.23 G.W. Yea he did before his decease J.H. Prove that G.W. In Rom 8.2 He sayes The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of sin and death And in another place I can do nothing against the truth but for it J.H. What be these to the purpose Paul said He was made f●ee from the law of sin and death before he said He waited for the adoption the redemption of the body For he sayes that in Rom. 8.2 and yet speaks of waiting for the Redemption of his body after that in ver 23. Therefore what he sayes about his being free from the Law of sin and death could not be the redemption of h●s body that he there mentions for why should he wait for that yet if he before had it did he wait for what he had already Here G.W. was wholly driven from that proof so as we heard no more of it and to help himself betook him to the other G.W. But he sayes in the other place he could do nothing against the truth but for the truth J.H. Could he then do something against the truth when he said He waited for the Redemption of the body The which also T.M. asked G.W. Yea That which waited for the Redemption could for he cryed out Oh wretched man

that I am and he was led captive by the Law of sin and death T.M. Where sayes he That he was led captive by it He sayes He found a law in his members leading him captive to the law of sin and death but where sayes he that he was led G.W. He sayes With his flesh he served the law of sin so then he was led by it and could do against the truth Doth not fin do against the truth J.H. But Paul sayes not That his flesh or members waited for the adoption the redemption of his body but that he himself waited for it and though his flesh served the law of sin yet that was not he that did it but fin that dwel● in him T.M. While he waited for the adoption the Redemption of the body though fin acted in him yet he did not walk after it but was led by the Spirit and so could do nothing against the truth or to that purpose G.W. George still pleaded That his members the creature that waited for the redemption could do someth●ng against the truth till it was deliver'd from the bondage to corruption and then it had the Redemption of the body for which he waited T.M. Paul while he waited for the Redemption of the body was led by the Spirit of G●d and such as are the sons of God and they that are born of God cannot sin or do any thing against the truth or to that purpose G.W. still insisted upon the creature waiting to be deliver'd that it night a●d that Pauls 〈…〉 which were yet in bondage to corruption might act against the truth not receiving the A●●wer given That th● was not he that did it but sin that dwelt in him ●nd so 〈…〉 him 〈◊〉 That such as are led by the Spirit and are sons of God 〈◊〉 at such and so in 〈…〉 Paul sayes it of himself do any thing against the truth but for it 〈◊〉 at is not find in his heart to yeild up to sin inticing or striving in his members to do any thing against it Besides a by-Note Paul sayes in the same Chapter vers 35 36 37. That he was perswaded nothing could seperate them from the love of God in Christ Jesus and therefore 〈◊〉 he could then do nothing against the truth but for it But this that G.W. pleaded clearly argued their gross corruption in not believing the Redemption of the body from death and grave and that made him put it upon a Redemption of Pauls members only from sin from which yet that he was perfectly freed as ●o its inherency in him before death he was not able to prove J.H. calling oftentimes to be heard by G.VV. what he had said and had to say and G. going on in a discourse to no purpose about the creature being in a travail and waiting for th● Redemption and applying that to Pauls body or members to be redeem'd from sin and acting then ag●st he truth J.H. said I came here to prove you Deceivers and to make good my charge and 〈…〉 heard wha● I have to say Thereupon J. Lee without our approbation called out to him and said G.VV. why caust thou not bee patient now and hear what is said to thee as well as thou 〈…〉 other day with Mr. F. G.W. Here G.VV. could hear that and take occasion to spend a little time in commending 〈◊〉 as he call'd him as better and more moderate than we J.H. We are not desirous of thy commendations or think them any great praise to us if 〈…〉 them I came here to make good my charge against yon and you run on to other things and 〈◊〉 not hear what I say to you That which thou talkest of the creatures groaning and waiting 〈◊〉 deliverance is a distinct thing from what we have in hand and pertains not to Pauls waiting for the deliverance in his body or members thou talkst of read the Text and here J. H read the 〈…〉 8.19 The earnest exspectation of the creatures waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God The creature that waiteth for the manifestation of the Sons of God is distinguished from the Sons of God to be manifested and is not the Sons of God themselves and so in vers 21. The creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the Sons of God See the same distinction again And th●n again when he had said The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together untill now he adds And not only they but we our selves also who have received the first fruits 〈◊〉 the spirit See an evident distinction between the creature before-mentioned and that travailed in pain about which thou mak●st a stir and Paul and the Believers that waited for the Redemption of the body from mortality and corruption they were the Sons of God to be manifested and being sons of God born of God could then do nothing against the truth but for it in such sense as he that is born of God sinneth not nor can sin and yet they had the Redemption of the body as a father thing to wait for And therefore that saying That he could do nothing against the truth but for it proves not that he could do not that he had in this life the Redemption he here speaks of Prove that Paul had this Redemption of his body before he dyed or else own the charge proved The people calling upon him to make good that or else own the charge made good he replyed G.W. If I should own that he hath made good his Charge against me I should prove J.H. to contradict himself for he saies in his Paper That people should not hear us and yet you and he would have me answer that you might hear me what I have to say He read the Paper G.W. jangling with some of the people about that frivolous put off J.H. called to be heard and answered thus J.H. I did explain the meaning of that word when I writ the Paper and gave it out and desired I might by hearing be understood to listen to and receive your Doctrine as I appeal to Esq Sho●ter if he be here G.W. Then people you may see his deceit that he w●ires one thing and means another that is not here vvritten for here it is hear J.H. I gave my meaning to the vvord expresly vvhen I gave my Paper to G.F. and Ed Shitter nor did I publish the Paper G.W. Many have seen it J.H. I gave it to none but Ed. Sheoter or G. Fox and gave my sense to them vvith it If they shevved it many that vvas their act T.M. The next vvords explain the meaning because it follovvs but to account them accursed It is not so to hear as to receive them People This is a mere cavil Let him ansvver to the business in hand or yeild the 〈◊〉 pr●oved G.W. Do you think I vvill grant or ovvn That people should count us 〈◊〉 J.H. I do not think you vvill nor did

mortal bodies Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect and Paul sayes So many as are perfect let us be thus minded And James sayes Let patience have her perfect work that ye may be intire wanting in no good thing And to that of h●s saying In many things we sin all he said So he sayes With the tongue we bless God and therewith curse we men not that He did so though he put in himself and so as if he was none of the all that offended And that John sayes If we say We have no sin or have not sinned but he sayes not If we say we are not all sinners we deceive our selves that he joyned himself with the little ‖ It seems then the little children may have sin in them and are not they born of God How else were they children and knew the Father as 1 John 2.13 So then They that are born of God may have sin in them Children to whom he writ that they might not sin and that they might have sin and with reference to them he sayes If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves but they witnessed another state when they say Whosoever is born of God sinneth not because the seed of God abideth in him Neither can he sin because he is born of God And in 1 John 5.18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself that the wicked one toncheth him not And again He that doth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous And therefore He concluded That J. H. had not made good his Charge had not proved That they preached other Doctrine than was preached by the Apostles c. To this I. H. replyed That he had mistaken his Argument which was to this purpose That the true Prophets and Apostles came confessing sin and not reproaching any for so doing but they did not so own sin but reproach them that confest them They urged that I. H. said the Prophets and Apostles came always confessing sin whereas the expression was always abasing themselves and exalting the Lord and that they use to acknowledge themselves sinners and to have sin and never to say of themselves that they were without sin or had no sin but I. H. waving other things asked G. W. whether they that he proved to have owned themselves sinners and to have confessed their sin as he also had granted were Prophets and Apostles when they so did To that G. W. answered that they did then minister I. H. What did they minister before they were Prophets and Apostles Had they not Commission from God then to minister and so were they not then Prophets and Apostles when they spake and wrote such things as were alledged To this G. W. somewhat unwillingly as he seemed granted that they were then Prophets and Apostles I. H. What state was that then in which they witnessed no sin in them if they were Prophets and Apostles when they confessed sin G. W. When they were born of God then they witnessed no sin in them or that they were freed from fin for he that is born of God sinneth not c. I. H. Were not the Apostles then born of God when they were Apostles and wrote these things as Paul that it was no more be that did it but sin that dwelt in him G. W. Paul had a time when he was not born of God when he groaned and travelled and waited for the adoption the redemption of the body for while sin was above him and he groaned and was burthened with it he was not yet born of God but when he was set free from it then he was born I. H. What was not Paul bo●n of God when he says We also that have the first fruits of the Spirit even we our selves groan within our selves waiting for the adoption the redemption of the body G. W. Paul when he travelled and was g●oaning for deliverance and waiting for the redemption of the body was not as yet born or God but afterward he witnessed a being redeemed from sin and then he was born as ye know in natural things a woman when she is in travel to be delivered the child is not yet born I. H. People I pray did ye ever hear of a woman in travel before that woman was born Was there ever such a thing Here all the people fell a laughing at G. W. G. W. Nay thou beliest me I did not say so That a woman travels with child before she be born I. H. Nay I did not say thou saidst so but thy similitude must be so if thou speakest to purpose for it was Paul that thou saidst groaned and travelled to be delivered and it is the woman in travel that groans and travels not the child to be born But George I shall read thee a Scripture and prove that Paul was then born of God it is 1 John 5.1 Whosoever beleeveth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God Paul did believe Jesus to be the Christ when he was an Apostle and writ to the Romans and said they waited for the redemption of the body did not Paul when an Apostle and so the rest of them believe Jesus to be the Christ which wilt thou deny G. W. Here George was pittifully put to it and all the people generally see his confusion that he was in a share so that he durst deny neither of those Propositions but he then flew to another shift that Paul condescended in his writing to those of low degree and that were not yet born of God and became a Jew to the Jew and to them that were under the Law as under the Law I. H. Tell me which Proposition thou wilt deny Is not whosoever believes Jesus to be the Christ born of God Or did not Paul when he owned himself to have sin in him believe that Jesus was the Christ And here G. W. was pittifully shackled and nonplust and would fain have been out of the Argument having nothing to say for himself still but that G. W. The Apostle condescended to the estate of some he wrote to as if the believing Romans or Saints at Rome that he wrote to were not born of God or did not then believe that Je●us is the Christ or as if the Apostle would make himself an unbeliever with unbelievers I. H. Then it seems Paul wrote a lie as touching himself that he waited for the Redemption of the body and travelled as thou sayest in pain when it was selfe of h●● h● did not so but had already attained the Redemption of his body Did he say fal●●y of himself G. W. He condescended to the state of others he became a Jew to the Jew c. as before J. H. Did he say falsly then with respect to himself Did not Paul believe that Jesus was the Christ when he was an Apostle and confessed sin in himself was not he born of God Here he being still baffled and

〈◊〉 and tamper● with them 〈◊〉 they became an 〈…〉 too and should be given up of God to beleive delusions to their own destruction And so desired them to withdraw and they begining to depart he also being 〈◊〉 and much spent withdrew and the whole company dispersed to their several wayes seeming generall well satisfied against the Quakers 〈◊〉 the no small trouble of the Quakers as might be conceived from their coming diverse of them in the Lords day after with G. W. to the Congregation to have made some disturbance upon the people or to indeavoure to have been drawing a way some of them But God mercifully prevented them of their purpose Only they sat and heard diverse of their corrupt 〈◊〉 further disproved from that in 1. Sam. 2.2 There is 〈◊〉 holy as the Lord. And amongst other things I. H. to 〈◊〉 ●easion in speaking to the holinesse of Gods Name to shew G. W. grosse Jesuitical glosse upon Psal 103 1● 〈◊〉 there was no sin in David because then all within him could not 〈◊〉 God Shewing that not only David 〈◊〉 of or owned that he had sin for God to forgive but also that the words in the Hebrew and La●ne signifies only all my inwards or inward parts of which sin can be none though it bee in a man yet it s none of the inwards of a man no part of the man But with such 〈◊〉 deceitfull inference and arguments they delude simple people that fall down and worship them as holy men and Prophets and either 〈◊〉 not able or not willing to examine and try what is said by them and indeed that is one thing that 〈…〉 them such as men ought to reware of as very dangerous persons to 〈◊〉 that they are so 〈…〉 with what sophestry and deceit they abuse the over credu●u● people so they may but 〈◊〉 them and draw them after them All people avoid and take 〈◊〉 of them Beware of false Prophur that 〈…〉 clothing but inwardly are ●avenous Wo●ves By such like frates as corrupting 〈◊〉 from the faith of hope in Christ and their deceitfull wayes yee may know them POSTSCRIPT OUr Lord Jesus teaching his Disciples to pray to God as their Father and in the first place to breath and desire the hallowing 〈…〉 sying of Gods Name the coming of his Kingd●m and that this will might be done in earth as it is in heave● yet ●hing them 〈…〉 for ●giveness of their ●espasses doth he not strong●y and plainly i●ply that 〈…〉 are the hildren of G● and so born of God and th●● have their hearts through his grace set 〈…〉 the curing of his Kingdom and the d●ing of his w●ll have sins and 〈…〉 against 〈…〉 for give ●●s If it be replyed Yea while ●ule children and but desiving th●e things they 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 G. W. says the little children to whom John writes that they should not sin might 〈…〉 they in wh● 〈…〉 is name is hallowed the kin me come and the will done in 〈…〉 in heaven they have 〈…〉 Then I to that say 1. Are 〈◊〉 the little ●hildren that know the Father and call God Father th● 〈◊〉 Christs teaching born of God and thea● wh●s●ever is born of God is 〈…〉 as n●t 〈…〉 or in any thing to ●ssend how c●me the 〈…〉 children to be excepted and if they though 〈…〉 have sins and desp●sses to pray 〈…〉 in Scriptive have we 〈…〉 that others 〈◊〉 God and so any of them may not in 〈◊〉 sense too have 〈◊〉 and 〈…〉 I● we 〈…〉 that any are so perfectly born 〈…〉 to have his Name so hall reed to and in them 〈◊〉 me to come and will 〈◊〉 ●e as they may be no ●e 〈◊〉 more perfectly 〈◊〉 Or is it 〈…〉 teaches that to pray till his Nan● 〈◊〉 everywhere hallowed his kingdom 〈…〉 and will perfectly done every where even in 〈◊〉 as in heaven which is not in this w●ld But 〈…〉 for daily bread or as the w●d may be end●ed 〈◊〉 necessary for bread 〈…〉 of them and that before 〈…〉 of their 〈◊〉 Doth he 〈…〉 men have need of bread for their life and subsistence here they have a● need to pray for 〈…〉 if then the Quakers so called wi● s●y they have 〈◊〉 sin in them ●et them 〈…〉 and we may then it may be think there is ground to beleeve them that ●he name of God 〈…〉 so come and his will so done in them that they have 〈…〉 passes Note VVh● is 〈◊〉 of God 〈◊〉 c. 1. VVhosoever is perfectly born of God as the spirits if just men made perfect that is de cased they cannot si● nor the men when their spirits and bodies shall 〈◊〉 rea●●te● in the re●ion but none are so 〈◊〉 born of God here 2. So far as ary man is born of God he sins not or commits not sin 〈◊〉 can 2. VVh●ever believeth with his heart that Jesus is the Christ doth not nor can together with the exercise of that saith walk in 〈…〉 way of sin and so willingly do iniquity and sin nor shall miss of his end Note VVhereas G. W. with s●me of his party coming on the Lords ●y into the Congregation after Sermon offered to speak to which he was permitted●y I.H. as conceiving he might have somthing to say in defence of himself which the said J. H. was willing to have answered him in had it been s● but G. W. was 〈◊〉 suffered by some that had power in that place And whereas the said I. H. since 〈◊〉 informed that G. W. said to the pe● that he the said George had nothing to say to the said J. H. but only a VVord from the Lord to the people 〈◊〉 some of his party rail and revise at the people for not suffering him to speak it or 〈◊〉 hearing of it casting that as a reproach upon the Ministry J.H. doth declare that he judges it well done of those 〈…〉 to suffer the said G. W. to utter his pretended word from the Lord that 〈…〉 as well 〈…〉 the people● 〈…〉 hear it not should J. H. willingly have permitted him to speak to the people any 〈…〉 VV●rd unless he had first acknowledged that he had been formerly and hitherto in a deceit and 〈…〉 of it For 〈◊〉 been but two days before proved a Deceiver and such a one as people 〈…〉 had he been permitted to speak in such a way of Doctrine to the people he might well have said that we went contrary to our principles in suffering him to speak and the people to hear him wh●m so little a time 〈…〉 had charged to be such a one as ought not to be heard and should people beleeve that God will send any VVord by 〈◊〉 a man 〈…〉 a Deceiver and they should count accursed unless to convince him of and so to 〈◊〉 him a knowledg the evil of his former way being thereof convinced we shall do evil therefore if hereafter we any of us per●t him to speak and much more if we hear and listen to him or any of them in such way of Doctrine Be still all people and wait upon God mind his Gospel and believe and ●bey it 〈…〉 be saved but as for this people the Quakers unless they see and turn from their evil w●y Gods hand will be against them though they he proud at Moab their lies shall not be so they shall not prosper their 〈…〉 rottenness and shall be dryed up and perish their corruption and folly is seen and made manifest in good 〈◊〉 and shall be more 〈…〉 season● For the King Christ shall rejoyce and God and every one that 〈…〉 confesseth him shall 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped Psal 63.10 every word of God is pu●e and shall be performed 〈◊〉 its season Let them alone neither abuse them with incivilities nor listen to their corrupt sayings 〈…〉 blinde leaders of the blinde and both they that lead and they that are led by them shall fall into the dit●h Mar. 15.14 Depart I pray you from the tents or societies of these wicked men and touch nothing of theirs 〈◊〉 nothing to do with their sayings and witnessings least ye be consumed in all their sins Numb 14.16 FINIS