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A19466 A confutacion of that treatise, which one Iohn Standish made agaynst the protestacion of D. Barnes in the yeare. M.D.XL. Wherin, the holy scriptures (peruerted and wrested in his sayd treatise) are restored to their owne true vnderstonding agayne by Myles Couerdale. Coverdale, Miles, 1488-1568. 1541 (1541) STC 5888; ESTC S109263 97,433 206

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we maye deserue much of allmightie god afore we b●●●●tified And yet wold ye faine proue the same yee euen by the ensamples of those that were iustified afore Standish Notwithstanding I am not ignoraunt of the ordre of oure iustificacion et cet Couerdale Are ye not ignoraunt what ordre god taketh in iustifieng his people and will yet teach the contrary The more shame for you Now maie euery man that noteth your former doctrine perceaue euidently that ye are a wilfull teacher agaynst the ordre of oure iustificaciō For yf god first of his mercy onely geueth us grace without which we can do no good thing then teach ye contrary to this ordre whan ye saie that mens workes deserue much of allmighte god afore then be iustified Thus doth your awne doctrine proue you not onely to be contrary to your selfe but also a wilfull breaker of godly ordre Standishe Ille prior dilerit nos j. Iohn iiij non dilectus dilerit et cet Couerdale Here in this place of your treatise ye make alōg processe in latyn which as it is fōdly printed and patched of you with litle morsels of scripture so do the same make clearly against your purpose Ye graunt that god first loued us afore we loued him And that Christ died for us whan we were yet sin̄ers Which yf it be true then is it manifest that god first forgaue us for Christes sake Yf he first forgaue us then is your doctrine false whan ye call it against the ordre of our sauiours praier that we must be forgeuen of god afore we can forgeue And that oure iustificacion deserued onely by the death of Christ is a false iustificacion seing ye confesse also that the mercy of god goeth both before and behinde us and that we are frely iustified Where as ye graunt also that thorow faith we opteine the grace of god how agreeth that with your former doctryne agaynst the iustificacion of faith Yee euen the same third chapter to the Romaines that ye here alledge is against you for S. Pauls wordes are these The righteousnesse of god commeth by the faith of Iesus Christ vnto all and vpon all them that beleue et cet Item Frely are they iustified euen by his grace thorow the redempcion that is in Christ Iesu whom god hath set forth to be the merciseate thorow faith in his bloude et cet Barnes FOr I knowlege the best worke that euer I did is vnpure and vnperfecte Standish Takyng this saieng as it is Iob. xxv et cet Couerdale Take D. Barnes wordes none otherwise then he spake them and let them be tried by the same place of scripture that ye alledge where Baldad the Suhite saieth thus Maie a man compared to god be iustified Or can he that is borne of a woman apeare cleane Beholde the mone is not cleare and the starres are not cleane in his sight How much more man which is corrupcion and the son̄e of man a worme And in the ix chapter saieth Iob himselfe planely God is he whose wrathe no man maie resiste and vnder whom are subdued the proude of the worlde Who am I then to answere him or to talke with him in my wordes Yee and though I haue anie righteous thing I will not answere but make mine humble supplicaciō to my iudge et cet Yf equite of iudgmēt be required no man darre beare recorde on my side Yf I will iustifie miselfe myne owne mouth shall condemne me Yf I will shew my selfe innocent he shall declare me to be naught Do not these scriptures proue now that in cōsideracion of gods iudgment all mens workes are vnpure and vnperfecte Standish Vnde Esay lxiiij omnes nos immundi et qua si pannus menstruate but thus to his purpos it can not be taken et cet Couerdale What meane ye man so peruersly to handle with the deed D. Barnes confessed as appeareth by his wordes that the best workes which were done by him vpō erth in this corrupte body were not so purely and perfectly done as the equite of gods lawe requireth and therfore as appeareth afterward in cōsideraciō therof he made his praier with the Prophet saieng Lord entre not with me in to iudgment Yf thou lord wilt strately marke our iniquities lord who will abyde it Notwithstonding though his wordes be manifest yet ye saie not onely that it can not be taken to his purpose as Esay wrote in that chapter but also vpon the same ye gather an intent for ye are good at that ye are well skylled in iudging mens intentes and thoughtes that he shuld meane all good workes are naught and that it is sinne to obeye the voyce of god which your collectiō is clene contrary to D. Barnes wordes And yf we conferre them to that place of Esaie whom you alledge this matter shalbe the more manifest The wordes of the Prophet are these All we are become as an vncleane man and all oure rigyteousnesses are as a clothe stayned with the floures of a woman This text as it maketh clerely for D. Barnes purpose against youre selfe euen so in alledging of it haue ye minished it and left out of it those wordes that make moost agaynst you But the abbot of lies and father of falshode euen the deuell taught you that lesson as I told you afore out of the fourth of Mathew because ye plaie such another parte with a text of S. Paul j. Cor. xj In your latyn ye reade the text thus All we are vncleane and as a cloth stained with the floures of a woman So that ye leaue out All oure righteousnesses Now yf the text maie stand still for you as the holy goost left it that all oure righteousnesses and best workes are vncleane and not without some blemishe then happlie will you haue litle thanke not onely for holding agaynst it but also for minishing the text As touching the Germaines to whom ye impute erroure in this behalfe Their doctrine is that whan the seruaūtes of god haue done all that is commaunded them they must knowlege themselues to be vnprofitable to haue occasion continually to crie vnto god and to saie O forgeue us oure trespaces to knowlege that in their flesh dwelleth no good thing ye and to confesse that though they delite in the lawe of god after the inwarde man yet ther is another lawe in their membres which striueth against the lawe of their minde and taketh them presoners in the lawe of sinne which is in their membres That ther is no man but he sinneth That the whole life vpon erth is a very battaill where the flesh lusteth agaynst the sprete and the sprete against the flesh so that Christen men can not bring euery thinge to such a perfection as they faine wolde This is now the doctrine of the Germaynes and thus taught also S. Augustine writyng de verbis domini secundum Iohannem sermo