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A84758 Dæmonium meridianum. Satan at noon. Or, Antichristian blasphemies, anti-scripturall divelismes, anti-morall uncleanness, evidenced in the light of truth, and published by the hand of justice. Being, a sincere and impartiall relation of the proceedings of the commissioners of the county of Berks. Authorized by the ordinance for ejection, against John Pordage, late minister of Bradfield, in the same county. Published for the vindication of justice, and satisfaction of the conscientious, in the name, and by the order of the said commissioners and assistants. With some notes, and animadversions upon a book of the said John Pordage, initiuled, Innocency appearing, &c. / By Christopher Fowler, minister of the gospel at S. Maries in Reding. Fowler, Christopher, 1610?-1678. 1655 (1655) Wing F1692; Thomason E840_1; ESTC R207466 137,560 179

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Paul but of his sorrow who sees any evidence The truth is from his visions he saith he ●s come to virginity from thence to the bestiality of marriage from thence either it must be his pleasure that the wo●ld shall end with this generation which is more then impiously absurd or else he must be for community which is more then probable though more then 1 Some Indians punishing adultery with death even in th● greatest without mercy Paganish or else women to bear children otherwise then by men which is more then a Bedlam fancy The premisses considered though we do perswade our selves we have not known the tithe of his abominations and the pranks of Sathan amongst him and his we have ground to believe that his visions were nothing else but Erburies prophesies Mary Gadberries lights poor Gilpins inward voice and the silly womens being taken up into heaven at Newbery with many other small pieces of visioners in the nation collected into one volume and in somewhat a fairer dresse presented by Sathan at Bradfield and printed by him in London for Giles Calvert stationer to the c. Before we shut up this we would desire the reader to afford us a little of his time and patience to read these four considerations First The divine scriptures there is excellency sufficiency and profitablenesse to edification exhortation comfort to convince to convert to confirm all which the blessed spirit works by these as it pleaseth him we know the scriptures can do nothing without the spirit and we are certainly perswaded the holy spirit will do nothing without the scriptures The promise of grace is of both these sc my word and my spirit Isa 59. last which promise relates to gospel times as to the more clear and plentifull vouchsafement of both and blessed be God it is at this day in some measure fulfilled amongst the Lords chosen ones therefore we have reason to believe that the pretended visions of heaven amongst this kind of men are reall delusions of hell designed to thrust out the scriptures As for the onelynesse and fulnesse of the scriptures we offer amongst many that might be offered these few First 2 Thessal 2.1.2 Now we beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Jesus that ye be not shaken in mind 2 Paul observes th●ee wa●es of deceiving 1. the pretence of revelation 2. the smoothnesse and subtilty of expression 3. the forgery of testimony neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as from us and that they might not be deceived by either of these he layes down the word as a sure rule and guide The next is that 1 Timothy 6.3 If any man teach otherwise upon what pretence soever and consent not to wholsome words even the words of our Lord Jesus and to the doctrine which is after Godlinesse he is proud c. The third is that full text 2 Tim. 3. last All scripture is given by the inspiration of God c. where we have first the authority secondly infallibility thirdly usefulnesse for doctrine c. and fourthly the end that the man of God even Timothy may be furnished and that throughly and that to all good works The last we will mention is that of Peter 2 Pet. 1.19 We also have a more sure 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 piscator or most sure word of prophecy The Apostle prefers the voice of God in the scripture above the voice of God upon Mount Tabor and upon this reason the Jewes to whom he writes might possibly question that of Mount Tabor but they never questioned the truth of God in the scriptures And because this argument from the fulnesse of the scripture is profitable in it self and seasonable and direct to our present purpose we had thoughts to shew the judgements and experience of the saints in it but for fear of tiring our reader we will confine our selves to two eminent ones of former and later times The first is Austin how doth he raise and intend all his faculties to discover the glory of the word it is saith he Austin ser 38. ad Fratres in eremo more sweet then hony more pleasant then bread more soft then oyl more pure then silver more precious then gold the meat of angels the dainties of Archangels the glory of the Apostles the confidence of the Patriarchs the hope of the Prophets the crown of Martyres the doctrine above all to be beloved the breasts for the faithfull the wisdome out of the mouth of the most High the queen of all sapiences the science of sciences therefore legite attendite there we find that God is length for eternity breadth for love height for Majesty depth for wisdome it enlightens the mind purifies the heart strengthens faith conquers the devil contemns the world with much more The other is Luther I have saith he agreed with God Luth. loc com class 4. p. 76. pactum feci cum D●o meo that I might not have visions or Angels I am contented that I have the Bible which is abundantly enough to grace and glory this I believe here I acquiesce and I am certain I cantot be deceived Instead of inspiration we have the doctrine of the gospel and in the place of visions we have the Sacraments which shew forth Christ many Fanaticks have set upon me with their visions and revelations boastingly but I answer I would rather have Davids understanding in the word then the visions of the prophets The second particular is this That these visions and revelations have been an old shift of Sathan and a cheat formerly and so down to this day The Gnosticks of them the Valentinians and Cerinthians with others these were horrid railers against Jesus Christ scoffers of the Apostles kennels of all noisomnesse and filth not to be named non-sensicall wresters of that which they pleased to allow for scripture yet they gave out they received ther doctrine by revelation from heaven and it is observable that when Cerinthus was driven to a non plus he said it was revealed to him by Christ and so downwards to the Papacy where we have revelations and visions enough to fill a dung-pot Dr Reynolds in his conference with Hart saith that of these Papisticall visions some were reall some forged the first were from the devil but both first and last were for the devil And after when God raised up Luther with an excellent spirit and the light of the gospel began to dawn and shine in despite of Sathan the Pope the Emperour and beg●n to spread not only to some towns but Dukedomes and Provinces the devil had no way to help himself but by the trances and revelations of that wicked crew in Germany who * Odio implacabili nos insectantur plus quam papistas they said there were two true prophets David and King John the Tailor and two false prophets the Pope and Luther maligned Luther with a most deadly hatred by far
more then the Pope himself The like entertainment found the reformation in England in Q. Eliz. time but by the care of the Magistrate this fire of hell did not flame very high nor last very long nor spread very faire now in these dayes the reformation prayed for being in some hopefull way of attainment what visions and revelations are pretended farre and wide even from Dan to Beersheba from Barwick to the mount Thirdly Observe this Dr in all his visions sees nothing at all there is a deep silence as to the everlasting Godhead and most precious bloud of our Lord Jesus his visions teach the way to the virgin essence and the life of perferction by way of conformity which way he saw fore-right and wisdome that eternall virgin invited him to follow her in the the way of circumcision resignation and the crosse and so on to the resurrection ascension glorification and fixation pag. 77. These good words as they are here signifie to us that know the man no more then a bladder upon a nut-shell Nay we have reason to believe that in his sense they are full of the wine of dragons and poison of asps making our Lord Christ but a type Fourthly Observe that he ascribes his height and abstractednesse and his pretended mortification and living with God unto his visions for so he tells you the good effect of this upon my self and family pag. 72. the effects and impressions left upon our spirits pag. 76. And now for the space of these four years ever since these we by the grace of God pag. 77. c. his holinesse is not wrought by the scriptures but by apparitoins So that now it must not be sanctifie them through thy truth but through visions now it must be no more believing in Christs name through the word but through the sight of the dark and light world Oh horrid who sees not but in these quaking dayes when there be so many hundred Quakers who deny the scriptures this Dr comes in with his visions and tells their glorious effects to do a kind office for the devil viz. to make the scriptures seem uselesse and by degrees rejected and at last denied We shall conclude this with that precious passage of Dr Reynolds in his first thes with a little addition Away with the Jews and their Cabala of Rabbins away with the Montanists and their new comforter away with the Trent Fathers and their traditions away with the Anabaptists and their revelations away with the Quakers and their actings away with Matthiz and all his trances away with the Statists and their guide reason away with John of Leyden with all his raptures and away with John of Bradfield with all his visions The scripture the word sufficeth us our salvation is Christ the way to salvation faith the guide of the way the scriptures the light whereof directeth our steps the food nourisheth our souls the preservative keeps us from diseases the plaister cureth our wounds the sword killeth our enemies and the conduct brings us to eternall glory Animad 8. He tells the world thus we had an opening of the eternall world by a divine transportation into the glory of the majesty and we heard unutterable words and mysteries and we daily dy to our self ownments it is our desire to put some Queries to this Seraphick man to clear the truth First Dr pray tell us whom do you mean under these high visions and such a degree of perfection from the enjoyment of them for pitty do not design to cheat your reader at a distance who never heard of you but by your book Tell him who you mean by we and us if you will not then we must thus Father * These names th●y have given themselves in a mysticall sense and there is we believe some mystery of wickednesse in it Abraham formerly called John Pordage one Deborah formerly Mary the quondam wife of John two Mary Flavell the woman of them both three we know no more unlesse it be Eliezer the Steward of the family called Francis and Susan Day as for Rahab formerly Mary Pocock she denies it Mr Bromley did first scruple and then * If it had not been so he would quick●y have said it the country conceives his silence to be a concession deny his oath being demanded to testifie of Mrs Blagraves vision in her morning coat Mary Allen saith nothing John Bolt is a pitifull ignoramus fit to be the Drs servant and witnesse here is all the number that we know of they shall proceed no further their folly is made manifest blessed be God Secondly Why did you very often neglect your people upon the Lords Day somet●mes five or six weeks together did not you apparen●ly mind your own tithes more then their poor souls and when you were in the pulpit why did you use such uncouth canting unedifiing language one of the inhabitants deposed that you preached like John Tawney Thirdly Why did you when you thought you might safely do it speak so sleightly of the Lord Jesus nay have not you wickedly if not in some degree Satanically out of your Satanicall pride from your Satanicall visions reproached the bloud of the Lord Christ God blessed for ever are these the effect of your visions and your transporting into the eternall world Oh villany of all villainies Fourthly What mean you by saying p●g 35. that many from out-places were quickened by your ministry and strengthened do you mean your witnesses The Lord convert them or whom do you mean name one name but one of those many this is not only vain boasting but wicked that may be in a truth but this is in a ly The Lord be mercifull to that country Fifthly What mean you by suffering under your nose the child Hannah to call Mrs Flavell Aunt the child was not so wise as to know her own Father and you were not so honest as to let her know her own Mother Sixthly What did you mean to suffer Mrs Flavell to live in the practise of such known untruths as these for many years viz. that Hannah was not her child that she was the child of a dear friend of hers that she was entrusted by the mother to look to it and this against your knowledge have you a dispensation for this lewd practise Seventhly Nay Dr tell us what did you call the child did not you say Mrs Flavell was her Aunt you pretend poorly in your book a law suit as a reason why she concealed her name nine years together pray tell us why Widow Fruin should be so unsafe was dead Mr Fruin any more lyable to a law suit then dead Mr Flavell it smells above ground Pray tell us one thing you are best able to answer and we will put it to you in your own language sc were not you Mr Frewins figurative similitude Eighthly Why did you in such an unseemly manner for any man but in you very scandalous suffer nay entertain Mrs
Salvation he that will goe to Heaven out of Gods way must enter in without Gods leave The next is Mr. Nutkins who is reproached by the Doctor for blinde Zeale and rigidnesse of Spirit A most unjust and false accusation the man is a man of eminency for knowledge piercing into the Scripture Soundnesse and Piety a man fearing God above many a long stander and a great proficient in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and one of those happy man he that loves the truth for the truths sake and our Lord Jesus in sincerity The last that were present but not named are Master Stroud and Major Fincher whom this Doctor calls more moderate than the rest yet their hands were to the Sentence we reply yea and their hearts too and we believe that they would go from one end of the County to the other upon their bare feet rather than it should not be done to rid the Souls of people from such a Blasphemer to whom they give no thanks at all for his seeming commendation The last Commissioner named by him but not present is Colonel Arth Evelyn a person of Conscience and Honour whom the Doctor calls A chief contriver of the designe against him and that he set the wheel of others Zeal and false Passion in motion and that he prejudiced him in London and the Country telling all he met that he was abominable and monstrous c. Ans As for designes we are not in the least conscious of any unlesse it were a design to advance the good of Soules and to vindicate the fundamentalls of the eeverlasting Gospell from the tongues of Blasphemy and Lewdnesse as for this Gentlemans driving on a designe and setting others on worke and telling all he met that the Doctor was abominable here are three untruths in a breath not one sentence true no not one 'T is confessed that he hath said to some that this Doctor was an unworthy false ignorant man before he was sentenced in which he spake his knowledge and he looks upon his ejection as an act of justice in God and an act of conscience for God in the Commissioners and a good mercy from God to the Countrey We cannot conceive what design this Gentleman is in a capacity to entertaine against this Doctor upon any selfe account as this man insinuates as though his ejection were not justice but some Plot we doe really assure our selves that the Commissioners can truly rejoyce that their proceedings were not in fleshly wisdome but in singlenesse and sincerity in this businesse and so long as they have rejoycing in themselves they doe not regard the censure of others they know the praises of men cannot cure or cool the Conscience in point of guilt neither can the strife and reviling of tongues in the least disturb the Conscience in point of uprightnesse it matters not what all the world saith so God speak peace onely they take notice that It was very unrighteous and unconscionable daring in this blown-up Dr to speak evil and that so publickly of his superiors we doe not believe that any of those great Friends of his with the frequent report of whom we poore Countrey people are amused would ever incourage him to or will support him in these unjust practises we believe it is and desire it may be farre from them we believe he made more bold to vent his spleen upon the account of his friends out of his owne presumption than ever he will have thanks for his labour As for the Ministers used at pleasure made and represented as it pleased the Doctor amongst his owne of all sizes and conditions their answer is this They desire to be found in the blessed righteousnesse of the Lord Christ whom they desire to love above their lives that in him they may appeare blamelesse before the Father and they do sincerely though weakly labour to buckle upon their bosome the breast-plate of righteousnesse which will keep the faces and reproaches of men farre enough off from their hearts They crave leave to say as their betters have said when they resisted to blood non patimur sed videmur pati We seem to suffer in the eyes of men we doe not suffer in our owne Consciences They hope they are not guilty in the transaction of this businesse to suffer as Malefactors in the account of Christ and they know they are most unworthy to suffer as witnesses upon the account of Christ They remember what Luther said when the Popes paper Bull roared against him sure said he I am afraid because I am unworthy of such an honour as to suffer for Christ this roariag Pope meanes not me What are they that they should then be reviled maligned for the sake of Jesus Whether they have cast the Doctor with Daniell as he meekly saith into the Den or with the three Children into the fire or whether he hath not cast the glories of the Gospell and the joyes of reall Saints into Sathans Den quantum in se and into the fire of the Pit the day will reveale that great day of Revelation These Ministers humbly tell their Fathers in Christ and all their fellow-labourers that they have been so inured to the noise of Nilus that they scarce heare it now they have been so accustomed to the reproaches of Anabaptisticall Arminians Anti-sabbatarians Anti-Christians Anti-ordinanced men c. that they hope they are not vain they are become deafe to them they are even almost Scandall-Proof To conclude this Doctor calls the Commissioners Crucifiers Plunderers of his holinesse at the entrance of his book and now grosly slanders some of them Oh what would these men doe if they had but the liberty of their hands as they have of their tongues he clamours as though he were Persecuted when he is indeed the Persecutor he doth not suffer but act Persecution Let the Reader judge whether the Commissioners Persecute him or he Persecutes the Commissioners what would these men doe if they had power they sparkle rage and fury through their eyes and tongues the Lord grant the Gospell may never feele the weight of their hands the little finger of the Familist and Quaking Antiscripturist would be heavier than the arme of Queen Mary former persecutors would passe for mercifull men in comparison of these Haeretici sanguinarii and the more spirituall the Heresie the more bloody 't is true they have either been smiling and fawning and meek as they call it in the cradle but it is as true they have ever prov'd foule and bloody in the saddle Blasphemy in hardness would be matchlesse in cruelty It is good for us to draw nigh to God in this glorious compleat though now vilified righteousnesse of Jesus Christ who hath and doth and will deliver us The last note upon this Doctors Appendix pag. 106. concerning his Appeale to the Higher Powers HE saith many were against his appeale and his Petitioning the higher Powers and why because it was a thing too
Pordage said to a professor what you have shall be ours and what we have shall be yours this was spoken since his inward sences have conversed with the Angels and the eternal world and it was spoken confidently as if he had been a Prophet but the time prefixed which was about two yeares is expired and he a false Prophet Had this Doctor vented this stuffe in his Pulpit or blurted out this riffe raffe before the Commissioners or any others else and not published it in Print to the view of all we should have buried it in silence and let it have rot we should have been more respectfull to the Government and the honour of the Nation then to have published his saucy and seditious language He saith that his Highnesse the Councell and the Nation may thanke the Commissioners for hastning the poureing the vials of Gods wrath upon the Land for their persecution Answ Thus the shakers pronounce the curse against those that oppose them in their detestable opinions what means this man to speak thus when as the clean contrary is true it is the Magistrates doing justice upon Seducers especially in fundamentals that is a Scripture way to prevent the powring forth of wrath upon the land and to preserve the people from the Plague that all Israel may hear and feare and doe no more so The higher powers have no cause to thanke him for his uncivill kindle-cole appendixe made meerly to satisfie some that they may appeale to the Powers though they and he agree in the maine viz. That the Powers notwithstanding such an appeale are Babilonish For our parts we desire to lead a quiet and peaceable life where as here in the land of our Nativity hitherto we may do so in all godlinesse and honesty 2. We blesse God and praise him for the liberty of the Gospel and we confesse we pray against a wretched universall Toleration A toleration of Idolatry infected the ten Tribes that Infection proceeded to break forth to a Botch they became Idolaters that Idolatry was the chief Sinne from whence came their Captivity which Captivity was into a strange Land where they continue to this time God did forbid them to suffer any strange Gods nay not to ask after their names nor to enquire how the Nations did worship them but they hearkned not They mingled themselves with the heathen Psal 106 35 36. And what then they learned their works What works they worshipped their Idols And what followes which became also their ruine They had many warnings and Sermons from God by the Prophet but perhaps they thought they were resolved and wise enough than ever to say to a stone thou art my Father or to worship the hoast of Heaven as many a man in England would have even spit in a mans face if he should have been told 12. years since that he would deny Sabbath nay Scripture nay Christ the Lord with an Am I Dog which yet is wofully come to pass by this meanes they were ensnared and did as the Heathen and were well nigh 2●00 yeares since carried away by a Heathen Prince into a Heathen Countrey no man knowing where they are to this day 3. We doe not envy at mens exercising in a ministeriall way so they be qualified according to the Scripture although they never smell the smoke of the University w uld all the Lords people were Prophets Yet we say 1. we are hearty we●l-wishers to those places and the learning there attainable which is exceedingly advantagious and we confesse that the spight of the Devill the subtilty of the Jesuits the barbarisme o● New lights as they are called the hard speeches of Loose ones makes us prize them both the more sure it must be some great good that is condemned by these 2. As for Ordination we believe it was instituted by Jesus Christ and never hitherto by him made null and therefore necessary where it may be had We cannot but sadly look upon and lament over the wofull effects of the Separation How hath God born witnesse against it in our sight as heretofore in Germany Into what Errors Heresies Blasphemies Loosenesse Leudnesse neglect of Duties scorning of them have thousands run A man may run and read it we call these and might name many particulars under these effects of the Separation we think they are more than Consequences Obj. What need this to what purpose do you mention it Answ The unworthy speeches of this Dr. and such like have even forced this confession from us and yet not in regard of our selves that we may stand right in the eyes of men we would live in the Testimony of our own hearts but in regard of the word of the Gospel that the lewd reports of men who make it their businesse to speak evil may not prejudice as it doth too much every where by the policy of Sathan men from hearing and through Grace entertaining the truth whereby they may be sanctified and saved Now God our Father who hath freely loved us and given us everlasting consolation through Grace and our blessed Lord Jesus who hath loved us and washed us from our Sins in his own Blood and the holy Spirit who doth reveale that Grace in the Scripture and seal it upon our hearts vouchsafe that Truth and Righteousnesse and Peace may meet and dwell in the midst of us and our children after us and grant that those who hold the Head and walk in the Light may have fellowship one with another that the glory of the Lord may dwell in the Land in our daies and the Generations that shall come after us till time shall be no more FINIS
make pictures of hell e. g. I as Christ Godded in God a typicall Christ you are Christed partakers of the divine essence that of God to God and body and soul to the grave fleshly ordinances carnall scriptures c. We need not quote the texts where these phrases are neither need we name the men that handled them thus indeed we cannot they are more in number then we can count The Dr in his printed answer to this article speakes much of the souls union We desire to speak a word not to amaze as he doth but to benefit the Reader We do acknowledge a reall spirituall eternall union between Christ Saints when we think of it sometime a little fire kindles and we say Lord what is man our hearts close with that of a godly learned * Reynold Conf. with Hart. cap. 1. Divis 2. man spoken upon an occasion something like this and very proper to these dayes the unity saith he that the Scripture notes is of three sorts first of persons in one nature secondly of natures in one person thirdly of natures and persons in one quality in the first is one God in the second is one Christ in the third is one Church i. e. The company of the elect called and sanctified by one spirit partakers of one Baptisme knit to Christ by one faith among themselves in one love to serve one Lord in one hope of one eternall glory the first and second of these unions we desire to believe because they are written and to admire because they are exceeding glorious the last union by the spirit and faith we desire to feel and experimentize in our own souls knowing that in these cob webby times of vain speculations one beam of Gods love one drop of the bloud of Christ upon our hearts one witnesse of the spirit in ordinances will doe us more good then all the meteors and notions in the world But as for H. Ns union of being christed in Christ and I. Ps. union of the deity and pure humanity to be one flesh and W. E. union of God is in thee and thee and the N. Qs union to be Christ a part of God we desire to look on them as more abominable then abomination it self nay more ugly then hell it self To the second and third his answers followeth Concerning the little horn Dan. 7. to be Christ This article was four years since exhibited against me from which I was discharged by the Committee Richard Higgs John Higgs and Richard Luington attesting on oath that I paraphrasing on the seventh of Daniel and speaking of the little horn said that some interpreters would have the little horn in the letter to be Antiochus Epiphanes a bloudy and persecuting tyrant others think the little horn to be the Turk who is a great persecutor of Christians * Mark this phantasticall ignorance if not worse for by such a mysticall liberty names may be applyed that we dare not name which how dreadfull is it But in the mystery in regard of his power we will apply it to the power of Christ in a christian who is often in Scripture resembled to the horn of David and to the horn of salvation and that upon three considerations In regard that Christs power in the soul doth appear to be a little horn a small despised instrument to sence and reason for flesh and bloud look upon it as a poor instrument in regard of bringing down the strength of sin in us Secondly In regard of sin and 6 This man belies the Divell who quakes at an ordinance much more at Christ's power his fear that Christ will exert and put forth an act of power into the heart through an ordinance is so great that he even trembles at the thoughts of it the very addresse to the solemn reading of a chapter will make the Divell sad he is afraid of the issue your anti-ordinance men in England are the best friends that he hath had this many a day Sathan who laugh the power of Christ in the soul to scorn yet before him his accursed kingdom must fall 3. In regard of its birth beginning in the soul it is at the first as a very 7 We have heard the parable in regard of grace that to be little at first but never of Christs power to be little till now litttle grain of mustard seed yet in due time it will destroy the kingdom of sin and set up the kingdom of holynesse in us having thus drawn away the vail from this article I hope it appears with a more tolerable and innocent face That I am very ignorant and insufficient for the work of the Ministry I believe those that exhibite this article against me upon tryall will be * All the precedent articles prove it if some of them should not come within the act for blasphemy which plea i● his Diana yet they all prove him to be ignorant and insufficient in a very high degree of both found very ignorant and insufficient to judge of it and as to those that are to be my judges I hope they will not make their wills the rule of ignorance and insufficiency But proceed according to the Canons of pure reason or supernaturall revelation in giving judgement concerning this particular the event of which I leave to God The proofs of the aforesaid articles The aforesaid Mr John Tickhill of Abingdon This Deponent saith that the Dr did deliver that by male and female Gen. 1. We are to understand by male the Deity by female the humanity and that these two are one flesh and being crosse examined he further saith that the Dr did deliver these expressions with approbation and the Deponents hath cause to believe it was his own judgement and as far as he doth remember it was delivered as his judgement The second was fully proved upon oath before the Justices by Francis Smith of Bradfield who went to the Dr about it being much offended and told him the little horn made war with the Saints yet the Dr did still pertinaciously maintain it and spake evill of those that opposed him in it The aforesaid George Aslet of Bradfield further deposeth and saith That the said Dr about a moneth since did deliver that doubtlesse the Apostle in that text 1 Cor. 6. know ye not that your bodies are the temples of the holy Ghost did not 8 Why doth the Dr quarrell at this text unlesse it be urged here as a forcible argument against fornication mean these earthly bodies And this Deponent further saith that the Dr did deliver that by that text Gen. 18. vers 19. I know him that he will command his children and his houshold after him c. was not meant the outward houshold of Abraham but his inward houshold his will and affections which he was Lord Paramount over and he quoted that text in the last of Joshua as for me and my house we will serve the Lord which
four years since was received into my house at Bradfield for the space of about three weeks and no longer and that after this manner False he was there before oftentimes He came in harvest time with a new pair of harvest gloves on his hands to shew his willingnesse and readinesse to work and asked to speak with me and told me that if I pleased to imploy him in harvest work he came to offer his service hereupon I entertained him as a workman And thus you see the manner of his coming and the cause of his entertainment Whereas it was said he was generally reputed a Conjurer I never heard the least intimation from any that he was ever suspected to be a conjurer till after his departure from my family if he was a conjurer before it was more then I knew or had heard of but after his departure I confesse there arose a generall report up and down the countrey that he was a Conjurer but from that time to this I have never seen him nor known what is become of him After his absence I do further affirm that I feared and was strongly inclined to believe that according to the generall rumour he was a conjurer hereupon I was in a great streight in my own spirit whether I should prosecute him or not my zeal to Gods glory and my obedience to the commands of God that saith † Not a word true read the note upon his protestation suffer not a witch to live giving me some impulsions to do it but after serious debate and consideration within my self I resolved this case or scruple of conscience thus That my own perswasions and jealousies though they had some ground of probability yet being not certain afforded me not sufficient ground of prosecuting him as a conjurer or of swearing positively he was such now I leave it to your serious considerations whether this tendernesse of conscience keeping me from prosecuting of him or swearing against him for fear of that heinous sin of perjury makes me either ignorant or insufficient for the ministry To the second part of the fifth article which concernes my entertainment of Tawney reputed as t is there expressed to be one that holds unsound opinions I answer thus It is well known that as I invite none so I turn away none that come to visit me be their principles in matter of doctrine worship and discipline different from mine I will briefly shew you my grounds and ends My grounds are these I look upon it as my duty according to the Gospel of Christ to entertain all strangers that be in want and necessity professing the name of Christ If enemies hunge● we are to feed them if they are naked we must cloath them and as for strangers we are to lodge and entertain them Heb. 13.2 As in the practise of this I break no law of God so no law of man and you may remember in the 37. article of Government it is expressed That all such as professe faith in God by Jesus Christ though differing in judgement from the doctrine worship and discipline publickly held forth so as they abuse not this liberty to the civil injury of others nor to the actuall disturbance of the publick peace shall be protected and then surely their hungry bellies may be fed their bodies clothed their persons lodged and their wants supplied And further my ends are these which are pure and Evangelicall that I may prove all things and hold fast that which is good that I may t●y the spirits because many false spirits are gone forth into the world Now how are they to be proved and tried not by * Who saith they are but they are to be suppressed who calls the Mag strates weapons carnall but the carnall carnall weapons as by penalties mulcts imprisonments and other externall punishments but by convincing of them with sound doctrine Christian discourse and spirituall arguments and by the example of a good conversation and thus Gods glory and the good of others are my onely ends in giving entertainment to all strangers that come in civilitie to visit me Now the cause of many 1 We never heard of any but those mentioned in the next animad strangers coming to me as guests from all quarters of this land ariseth from those lying printed pamphlets that have scarce a word of truth in them these draw all seeking inquiring minds to visit me for divers ends best known unto themselves Let it be but proved that I have given entertainment to any common * Why did not you put in blasphemers ranters anti-labbatarians such as stay at home and skim the pot or ly in bed and meet no where on the Lords day swearers to open drunkards Sabbath-breakers or to any known profane persons and I shall judge my self obnoxious to your censure but all that I give entertainment to appear cloathed under some shew of godlinesse or other but if they have not the power it will be their own misery In a word the strengh of this article doth but amount to thus much that as 2 Mark the comparison there is pride and non sence in it Christ was supposed and accounted a friend of Publicanes and sinners so am I reputed a friend to all people that professe Religion and walk orderly be their opinions in matter of doctrine or discipline never so much differing from my own or those commonly received Yet this doth not argue my ignorance and insufficiency for the Ministry but if in it any thing be culpable it is to be referred to the head of scandall and heresy But here being no law of prohibition I cannot see any transgression in it against the law either of God or man But to conclude these articles being matter of fact till I see them proved and each article in justice and equity referred to his own proper place or head either of scandall or heresy I cannot give a more direct or positive answer to them The proofs hereupon are John Lewin of Hampsted Norris Clark sworn and examined To the * Be pleased to read and consider the following animad first and second articles he cannot depose To the third he saith that about three years since the Dr and he had some discourse about some principles of religion the Dr did urge that place in Genesis that he made them male and female but whether he meant Adam singly or what mentall reservation he had the Deponent knoweth not and further to this article cannot depose To the fourth he saith that about the time mentioned in the article the Deponent met the Dr in London and in discourse with him the Dr asked the Deponent if it would not be terrible to see apparitions but did intimate nothing that he used to see any himself Anne the wife of the aforesaid John Lewin sworn and examined To the first article this Deponent can say nothing To the second she saith that the Dr told her when
in regard of present distemper but the said Susanna having reported to severall people in Abingdon and in particular to this Deponents wife that she was at Dr Pordages house and that the people there told her her eyes were opened and she saw at that that time the new Jerusalem come down from Heaven all of precious stones and so on according as in the article the said Susanna told the Deponent on the said Tuesday night that the last time she was at the Drs house she saw the new Jerusalem come down from Heaven a city four square with borders of precious stones and she being asked whether it was not her fancy only she answered she saw it really The Deponent further saith that he asked the said Susanna whether she saw any Angels in the Drs house to which she answered no. But she said the Drs daughter did see two Angels holding a crown over her the said Susanna's head On the Drs behalfe Mrs Elizabeth Blagrave wife of Daniel Blagrave of Southcott Esq sworn and examined deposeth That she never heard Mrs Pendar say she was bewitched by those of Bradfield but she said Mrs Pendar 9 And did not the Dr say so too and did not some more say so likewise and speak high of it and piffe at low dispensations but she hath since confessed that they were from the Divell and gives her reason because the vision did contradict the Scripture viz. tending to this that she must leave her husbands told the Deponent that her visions were from God and that she had never spoke with the Dr in her life This Deponent further saith that Mrs Pendar told her she had been at Mr Fowler his house and that Mr Fowler examined her touching her visions and the Deponent asked her what she said to which she replyed she was sure she had said nothing to him that could hurt the Dr. Thereupon the Deponent askt her if she had told Mr Fowler that the Dr did send those visions to which she answered she could not say the Dr did send them for a world She further saith that Mr Pendar told her that his wife said when she came to London she 10 Then it seems she did say it to him at Reding nay she did confesse it to him again the second time at London after the Drs tryall begun would not say what she had said to Mr Fowler if it were to do again for she perceived it was a snare or trap She further saith she was by when the question concerning young Mr Blagraves hand was put and she askt it her self some in the room and the answer was that the coldnesse of his hand as far as they knew signified his dying to vanity which was delivered in a jesting manner which answer was not delivered by the Dr and the Deponent saith the Dr never gave such an answer in his life as she knowes This Deponent further faith that she heard a muttering that Mr Grip should say that the Dr had perswaded Mr Blagrave to leave all and come and live with him whereupon the Deponent askt Mr Blagrave about five or six weeks since concerning it and the said Mr Blagrave answered to the Deponent that he did not remember that the Dr ever said any such thing to him Lastly this Deponent saith she never knew any thing of the Drs judgement neither did he ever bring her into any judgement and that she never had any discourse with the Dr till she did first begin with him and that if ever he had confirmed her in any thing it was in nothing disagreable to the word of God Concerning the man child mentioned in Seywards testimony Mr Francis Pordage Brother to the Dr and Minister of Stanford Dingley sworn c. This Deponent saith that it was one Mrs Flavell that in the aforesaid testimony is mentioned to be in travell of the child and he further saith that about four years since Mrs Flavell was very earnest in prayer on a day when they were fasting which was at the time when one Seyward came to the door and that the said Seyward knocking the Deponent went down to the door to him This Deponent doth further acknowledge that the said Seyward came to him about the time mentioned in his said testimony to the parsonage of Stanford and that it is probable he did ask the said Seyward what he did think of the noise he heard at the Drs house the day before and that the said Seyward answering he could not tell it is probable the Deponent did relate unto him that the Lord was doing a great work in this kingdom and to this nation and doth confesse that unadvisedly he told him that the cause of the aforesaid cry was one in travell but he doth not remember that he spake any such thing as that the pains were so extreme as that had he stayed longer he might have heard it as far as the town but he doth confesse he said she was in travell of a man-child and that he and many others were eye witnesses of it And the Deponent being asked who it was that was in travell he answered Mrs Flavell And he being further asked what became of this man-child he answereth it was the * How could they be eye witnesses as but two lines above he saith they were of such a man child as this birth death and resurrection of Christ in the nature of Mrs Flavell And he being further askt how the birth death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the nature of Mrs Flavell was so great a work that God was doing to this nation he * And yet but even now he said it was probable he did say so not above ten lines before answereth he never said any such thing He further saith that this travell of a man-child was not any naturall birth of a child out of the womb But the cry that was then made was nothing else but the groaning and intercession of the spirit in her prayer Note that these witnesses following were not examined because the Commissioners were satisfied Francis Knight an understanding christian thought himself bound to witnesse for the truth These are to certify that I having discourse with some of Blewbery who then came from Dr Pordages house and are reputed of his way concerning marriage they affirmed with much heat that marriage was not lawfull but a defilement Secondly that the Dr told me that he thought there was a legion of Divells in his chamber Thirdly I affirm that the Dr preached at Bradfield that water baptisme was not the ordinance of Jesus Christ and I going to him afterwards and telling him I was not so resolved he replyed whosoever looked upon water-baptisme any otherwise then as an Ordinance from John did not look upon it aright and I do offer my self to maintain that if the Dr deny it he hath a face of brasse Francis Knight As for his cursing the people of Bradfield take this deposition before
point of science and conscience Again who those two were the Dr names not neither will we but desiring to study and practise that text 1 Gal. 10. we would not be ambitious of any mans praise nor sollicitous for any mans censure We wish that those gentlemen and all Commissioners to whom these presents shall come sadly to consider that text which God did shoot as an arrow into the heart of poor Spira the head whereof did stick to his dying day viz. * Luke 9.26 In hunc textum defixis oculis semper intue●i convenit non est quod callida dissimulatione hic sibi quisquam placeat pietatem se fovere in corde fingens qu●m externis testificationibus prorsus evertit Whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words of him shall the Sonne of man be ashamed when he shall come in his own glory and in his Fathers and of the holy angels Obj. This man hath some followers and like enough to have more sure they believe him Ans Heresy and lust quickly find entertainment with our naturall hearts which must be wrought upon supernaturally before truth which is supernaturall and they can meet together in love So some did follow Quintinus and other Fanaticks and Calvin gives these two reasons in his dayes which we evidently discern to be the same in ours viz. Satanicall pride and beastly filthinesse * Calv. Ep. 1. pag. 44. 1. Nonnulli stultae curiositati adeo sunt addicti some so much addicted to foolish curiosity applied their minds to superfluous questions who not content with the simplicity of the scriptures did volitare velut in aere in frivolous speculations that they might vaunt themselves of high things se sublimiores esse sublimiora persequi that they were more high then others and did follow more sublime strains The second this Some that began to be seasoned with gospel purity were weary of it and did relinquish it to lead a lustfull filthy life ut effroenem sibi sumerent licentiam vitam ducerent flagitiosam and so it is now that they might take an unbridled licence to themselves and lead at least in secret a flagitious filthy life Before we conclude we would fain have the Countrey reader understand this one thing that the Swincfieldians Henry Nicholas the Familists in New England and the new Quakers do hold that the scriptures are carnall the Bible fleshly element●sh the word of God is to be rejected as a dead killing letter Some scores of places might be cited out of their writings in these words and to this purpose from hence this follows that a man is not bound to the outward command no man is bound to suffer for religion a man may bow to an idol go to Masse any thing so they reason and conclude And by the same reason a man may say and unsay swear and forswear protest and never mean lie kill steal commit adultery if he have an impulse or if it be his light let the countreyman hear what Mrs Hutchinson said in open Court that we are not bound to the law and it is no transgression against the law to commit sin and let him consider what an Enthufiast did the History is this Thomas Schucker a disciple of Rinckius the grand Anaebaptist in the midst of a great throng pretending a rapture and revelation from heaven commanded his brother Leonard Schucker to kneel down being demanded by his father and mother and many others what he meant answered he would do nothing but what was revealed to him from heaven all the people being attent the prophet with a e This was at Sengall a Town in Helvetia in the year 1527. Spanhemius drawn sword cuts off his brothers head at a blow being apprehended by the Magistrate and condemned to die he did nothing relent but professed upon the scaffold that this was the will of God and it was revealed to him from heaven Obj. But what is this to Dr Pordage he hath visions and doth converse with God Ans This Dr did write a letter to a person of honour and piety complaining against Everard that he was a witch a sorcerer and the most dangerous man in England intreating his assistance to apprehend him and within five dayes after to two persons of note denied every word saying he was no such man denied it earnestly and often nay said that Everard of whom you have heard something in these papers pag. 56. was an honest godly man after many denialls being told by them that they admired at him for they lately saw the clean contrary under his own hand in a letter to Col. Evelyn Governour of Wallingford This Dr was surprised and startled at it being not able to deny it but said he was now of another mind Col. Evelyn meeting the Dr told him what a lewd practise this was to affirm and deny at pleasure not to be endured amongst men as men for by this means he might practise any wickednesse He answered that he was in a distemper when he wrote that he was of one mind then and another now and that no man ought to persecute another for his * Witchcraft and sorcery must have liberty of conscience conscience thus adding one lie to another Observe whither will men run when once they come to fall off from the Deity and bloud of Jesus Christ whither will they go deceive affirm deny c. Of what high concernment is it to us for the present and for eternity to use all spirituall means to get and increase in the knowledge of Jesus Christ that knowledge with feeling Phil. 1.9 that savour of the knowledge of the gospel that knowing of the truth as it is in Jesus that spirit of wisdome and revelation to open the eyes of our understanding that we may know the unsearchable riches of Christ to know with all our hearts this knowledge being the spring and source of all evangelicall true and lasting holinesse especially it concerns us in this houre of temptation that is come upon the land Those called Quakers are both Antiscripturists saying the Bible was good for those times but now they are out of date and also Antichristians let no man deceive himself by their pretended mortification they do deny redemption from guilt and hell by the bloud of the Lord Christ without us and so at one blow overthrow all religion and holinesse If we had a voice as loud as the voice of the Archangel as one of the * Chrysost upon Psal 4. v. 2. O mortall men how long will ye love vanity Ancients said upon another text and all the nations for our audience there could not there cannot be a more preserving seasonable sanctifying text then that of 1 Cor. 2.2 I desire to know nothing but Jesus Christ and him crucified It was the wish of godly Mr Hildersham upon that scripture and we make it ours would to God that all the People in England were of S. Pauls
our own folly in being so copious upon this subject but that we cannot chuse but stand amazed at the indiscretion of many professors especially in such a day of plentifull light who doe unawares plead for and give countenance to horrid Blasphemers because they walke under the notion and shew of holinesse and pretended mortification as if we had no Bibles to informe us that Wolves devouring wolves should come in Sheeps cloathing and false Prophets should carry their matters with so much speciousnesse that they should bid faire nay and should doe it too if it were possible namely deceive the very elect the Devill is never so much a Devill as when he is white he knowes full well that he can doe nothing to any purpose for his owne Kingdome but in that colour we desire to have a raised esteem of the least dram of true holiness we say that Rubies and all that can be named or imagined are not comparable to it we say as Luther that one single gratious worke is more worth than the whole world onely it is a trouble to our Soules to see people cheated into and hardned in damnable opinions by such shewes and pretences we believe there can be no reall holinesse without the sound and right knowledge of Jesus Christ we conclude this for these dayes with that of d Adversus Francisc p. 570. Calvines in his dayes they have mortification often in their mouths but their mortification is this viz. they have no sense of good or evill Animad 11. As to the Phrase and Language used by the Doctor as for example The fiery Deity burning in the center of the Soule the Godhead mingling it selfe with our flesh the divine union the divine transportation into the glory of the Majesty p. 76. the essentiall essence of love fixation in the love of the holy Ghost divine tincturation eyes fixed upon the being of love the pure life of virginity with many more We desire the Reader to observe that this hath been the guise of Blasphemers and Familists old and new Valentinus in his * Mens in●●●●●b●lis magn●●●●e in b l●bilibus ●●nominatorum supersalestium Epiph l. 1. Tom. 2. Hae● 3● Epistle begins high with swelling unintelligible words thus The unabolishable mind to the in magnitude unabolishable of unnameable supercelestiall secrets I will make mention to you with a fardell of nonsensicall stuffe of his males and females and his triginta saecula This Blasphemer was as errant too at Allegorizing as our Doctor he proves his thirty Ages or Worlds most clearly by the Parable of the Labourers sent into the Vineyard thus Some were sent at the first houre 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 These they called wonderfull ineffable Mysteri●s some at the third some about the sixt hour others at the ninth some at the eleventh houre Now compute 1. 3 6. 9. 11. and these houres put together make thirty and this among his Sect was as cleare as the Sun to prove his triginta saecula Just as R. Higgs one of the Doctors Disciples and Witnesses when one told him he could not beleeve Abrahams family in that Text to be his Family in him viz. his will and affections Oh said Higgs to him It is cleare as the day so that Pontius Pilate must condemne Christ in us and the Jews put him to death in us all very cleare This Allegorizing and Quakerisme bids faire to drive the Scriptures out of the world the very hopes whereof will make the damned Fiends keep Holy-day in Hell when men thus abuse the Scripture and bewitch the simple It calls to our mind a saying of an Ancient Whosoever speaks the Scriptures in another sense than he that wrote it that man * Austin de Doct. Chr. lib. 1. cap. 37. speaks a lie though he speak the Scripture And againe for this frothy language of Seducers What * Idem de Doct. Chr lib. 4 c x. profit saith he is there in the sublimity of words which are not understandable by the hearers when there is no other cause of speaking if they understand not what we speak for whose sake we speak that they may understand He that teacheth should avoid all words that doe not teach Quintinistae peregrina c. the † Velut cerculatores errones ex Bohemia Cornicantur Quintinists use a strange and uncouth language with which they doe so chough it that there is no more perspicuity in their words than in the chanting of birds and this they doe a malitiously to circumvent novices ●●●●in adv 〈◊〉 cap. 7. 〈◊〉 516. for they reveale not the mysteries of their abominations which lay under the covert of their swollen language but to their own who are bound to them by Oath of Secresie under these they lay hid like theeves in a thicket their novices stand amazed at the sublimity of their words which Peter and Jude compare to bubbles and froth See more So H. Nicholas thus H. b Rutherfords Survey Antichrist cap. 9. pag. 56. Nicholai through the holy spirit of the love of Jesus raised by the highest God from the dead anointed by the holy Ghost in the old age of the holy understanding of Jesus Christ illuminated with the spirit of heavenly truth the true light of perfect being godded with God or the spirit of his love c John Knewstubb in his confutation of H. N. This form of writing is an evident note of a seducing spirit There are Quakers at Bodenham who suffer extreme tortures of body visible to the reporter and many others very often so extreme that if God did not limit the Devill their inwards would burst out trembling and quaking in their agonies as though their flesh would part from their bones and ligatures they call these d The Quakers blazing star by Edmund Skippe teacher at Bodenham pag. 22. agonies the fiery triall and they say it is the power of the Holy Ghost burning up and destroying their corruptions purifying them as gold tryed by the fire seven times They tell you how much joy and pleasure they have mixed with their torment that they could wish to be in it even for ever and ever This they call the drinking of the Cup the undergoing the wrath and curse of God as Christ did most blasphemously and say they must be brought to suffer as Christ did untill there is nothing left them but the pure seed of God Thus reckoning as far as I can determine saith he by their words that upon this account they must be e Just like the Doctor not by the saplesse righteousnesse of another but the fiery deity burning in the center of the soul justified before the Lord. This testimony is unquestionable because of an eye-witnesse and eare-witnesse Like to be seduced into this way by Sathan but delivered out of it by the Lord Christ The Quakers at Reding had the same language of Christ suffering death from the eternall Love and the holy Ghost
conformable to the custome of the world and too slavish for men that live to the li●e of Christ out of the waies of Babylon Observe these many are some of his owne as you may judge by the phrase turbulent and ignorant ones as if Magistracy were a piece of Babylon not an ordinance of Jesus Christ The truth is men are mad because they cannot be so mad at heart because they cannot be mad in hand enraged against the present power in anothers hand because they cannot be outragious with it in their own Government was looked on as tyrannicall and fleshly among the Munsterians but when they came to have it they were so fleshly and tyrannicall that they spared no flesh that came in their way He proceeds to give an account of the reason of his applying himselfe by the way of appeal to the person or persons here are so many unworthy reflexions that we are very unwilling to follow him we doe not desire in the least to provoke the supreme Magistrate against him onely we crave leave to beseech his consideration as to the temper of these men verily a Man could hardly have spoken more contemptuously than this Doctor hath done if he had been before the grand Signior at Constantinople or the great Cham of Tartary his reason is 1. He thinks there should be rulers and ruled and that from the inward worlds which he hath seen and there 1. from the Government of Hell 2. from the Government of Angels which is more than ever the Dr will prove though his inward sences hath conversed with them this 5. yeares then 3. from the outward world as he calls it as Moses Joshuah c. His inference is this now what now why now if we are to owne i. e. to * Take notice of this take notice of the rulers of Hell how much more of the rulers of the world though made according to the rules of the Spirit of this world how ugly doth this expression look yet for a salvo to save his skin he comes in with an id est that is saith he according to the wise Canons of rationall policy what ailes this man here is not a word of Christian Magistrates are not our Magistrates Christians is not the Gospell more cleare and pure in England than in most nay any part of the Christian world doe they not take care for the good of precious Soules the Lord increase their care and pitty to them 1000 fold 't is sadly true we confesse and may it be for a lamentation that there are many very many thick fogs of Familisme Socinianisme Anti-Scripturisme among us and were it convenient we should say that if the Magistrates doe not scatter them by justice Gods justice may suffer them to scatter the Magistrates He proceeds to distinguish how men came to power to this purpose some by immediate Divine designation some by succession or Free election some by ambition but he makes no application of his distinction he doth not tell us of which of these the present powers are the reason is as we apprehend not difficult to be rendered 't is facile enough because if he had applyed his distinction he must either have boldly affronted the present Magistracy which is not to be endured or else highly displeased his owne Sect which he cannot endure To the last member of his distinction sc these who assume power of necessity policy ambition c. he puts a boundlesse caetera leaving himselfe scope enough to say what he pleases amongst his owne The Doctor names three wayes of coming to Magistracy indeed this third is no way at all unlesse it be of Boniface Kniperdoling or the Quakers Some wise men name a fourth and that is Power thus Upon the alteration of Government either in the Line or in the Forme and who thinkes that either of these simply in natura rei is unalterable doe we not read the contrary in all History do we not find the contrary in some Countries in such a case Power sets up Authority which is as we may say the materiale and this being confirmed by the fundamentall order of the Countrey where such alteration is made which is as it were the formale of it becomes fully compleate and entirely legall to all the exercises of Authority Which in briefe is no more but this Power brings in Authority and Authority is nothing else but established and regulated Power As for mens assuming power out of ambition Pride which is one of the Doctors brainlesse heads we cannot judge of that For Who knowes the minde and ends and designes of a Man but the spirit of a man Let them look to the sincerity of their hearts and against the irregularity of these base ends for Every Man shall beare his owne burden whosoever he be but things of this nature are above our compasse and without our businesse this being to submit and not to dispute therefore we proceed He tells us that he bows to the powers as Abraham did to the Heathen people and as Paul gave the Ethnick Princes their titles appealing for justice to Caesar a Heathen tyrant and this may be done by him as Paul did it without owning himself of and in union with their corrupt societies Further he saith that as there was no necessity for the Jewes who lived in Ethnick Babylon to partake of their sins though they were civill to the power so they that live in Christian Babylon are not necessitated to partake of their sins though they give them titles and appeals ●t them We professe our selves at a stand to determine whether here be more ignorance or sed●tion here is so much of both are our Magistrates the Sons of Heth is he Abraham are they Heathen Caesars is he Paul is England Babylon may not Christians be Magistrates Object Your note is partiall he quotes Romans 13.5 6 7. Answ The Quakers who would be glad to see all the Bibles light and flaming in the fire doe yet quote them for their owne ends to deceive and the people say in their simplicity they quote the Scriptures and so are bewitched by degrees when as these men hate the Scriptures and Blaspheme them they meane no such thing so here even in this also this Doctor hath said notwithstanding this text now printed by him 1. That he cared no more for the higher powers or any man in England then he valued the dust under his feet and this in the Pulpit and as we conceive nay are certaine since he hath been in the third Heaven as he pretends 2. He hath said that there should be no Parliament nor Magistrate nor Governor in England ere long and being demanded how men should or could live without Magistrates and Law he answered the Saints should take the Estates of the wicked to themselves and the wicked should be their slaves and that there should be a kinde of Majesty sparkling out from the Saints that should over-awe the wicked and Mrs.