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A34470	A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was	Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659.	1656 (1656)	Wing C6094; ESTC R215454	85,329	113

Mat. 25. 35. That by the left hand we are to understand nothing but the Law as by the right hand nothing but the Gospel Answer First they under the Law not believing the pardon of their sins are at the left hand of God as Goats cursed for cursed is everie one that is under the law Secondly they under the Gospel believing that their sins are pardoned are at the right hand of God as sheep blessed For blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sin is covered and blessed are they that know the joyful sound of the Gospel for they are at the right hand of God in the way of life where they hear his voice and behold his face and have pleasures for evermore and Christ to redeem man to this state of blessednesse from that curse and Goatish nature which man by reason of sin lay under at the left hand of God did himselfe bear our sins in our steeds at the left hand and was cursed for us signified by the Scape Goat on whom Aaron laid the sins of all the people sending him away with them to lose them so did God on Christ lay the sins of all people and as the Goat in the tipe did so did Christ carrie them away from us no more to be remembered to us which is blasphemie to say Article 4. That the Lord Christ was the High-Priest spoken of in Heb. 5. 3. and that he offered for his own sins Answer As concerning this I only asked the question what High-Priest was there meant and the answer was given by one of the Ministers that it was Jesus Christ but read and consider the Scripture and you may be better satisfied for he was one that could have compassion on the ignorant and on them that are out of the way and who this is I will leave for the Reader to judge compared with Chap. 7. 27. Christ is there said to do that by one offering which the Priests under the Law did at twice that is they offered first for their own sins and then for the sins of the people but this did Christ once when he offered up himself not that Christ could offer for his own sins as known to him but for our sins as reckoned to him in our nature and so all our sins became his till he by death discharged both himself and us of them together Article 5. That the Human Nature of Christ is not ascended to heaven and brought this Scripture to prove it that flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 13. 50. Answer The Humane Nature of Christ was of the same nature of man which was of the earth earthie and Christ by living in it did sanctifie and cleanse it and so made it heavenlie which may be said to be its Ascention into heaven but that a humane bodie of flesh blood and bones should be in a local place above the Stars as M. French and others would have it I find not anywhere proved from Scripture for then it would be also out of its element and then heaven were to be understood as the earth and not as heaven and so one contrariet●e would be in another but John saith That which is of the earth is earthy and that which from heaven is heavenly and flesh and blood never came from heaven therefore shall not enter into heaven but the Holy Spirit and Power was said to descend down upon the Mother of Christ and not a humane bodie and Paul saith He that ascended up to heaven is the same he that first descended from heaven and not another Article 6. That he that looks for the humane nature of Christ to come from heaven may look long enough Answer He that looks for such a coming of Christ in his second coming as is contrarie to the Scripture and not as God himself which is the Lord from heaven may look long enough before he see him but the Scripture saith That though we have known Christ after the flesh yet henceforth know we him so no more but in spirit and in glorie to be revealed in our flesh And this coming of Christ is the coming of God to take a Kingdom to himself in man of that which is himself which coming must be as God ro man and not as man to man for he shall come in the glorie of his Father and this coming I know and therefore speak not denying any other Article 7. That there shall be no Resurrection of any body that dies and when that of Job the 19. 23. to 28. was urged he returned that Job said he knew not what and proceeded most abominably to Allegorie the Scriptures Answer First I deny not what may be proved by another but the Apostle saith That the same bodie buried is not the same bodie raised but God giveth it a bodie as pleaseth him that is to be like himself for so it 's written He will change our vile bodies and fashion them like unto his glorious bodie whose body is not as mans is and David saith When I awake I shall be satisfied with thy likenesse which is for all things in man to be subdued unto the Lord that God may be all in all who is not the God of the dead but of the living and when Job said His Redeemer lived and that he should see him stand upon the earth at the last day was a mysterie which Job did not then know until he saw it fulfilled in himself which afterwards he d●d and then saw his last day and confest that he had before uttered words without knowledge things too wonderfull for him which he understood not But now saith he hear I beseech th 〈…〉 and I will declare unto thee for I have often heard of thee by the hearing of the ear but now do mine eyes see thee and then was Jobs Resurrection come when he saw God to be risen within him and we rise not but as God rises with us For saith he the dead men shall live together with my dead bodie shall they arise Awake and sing ye that dwell in the dust for thy dew is as the dew of herbs and the earth shall cast out the dead and blessed are they that hath part in this Resurrection Article 8. That there shall be no day of Judgment and that the Scriptures warrant it Answer This I never said but that a day of Judgment according to the Scripture there is which had its beginning with Christ manifest in flesh after the fall of man to destroy sin which Day of Judgement was then is now and ever will be to man so long as sin remains in man unjudged and uncondemned by Christ and so saith Christ For Judgement am I come and now is the Judgement of this world now shall the Prince of this world be cast out and now will I convince the world of sin of righteousnesse and of Judgement which day of Judgment

were to see him no more till they saw him in them So also his coming should be to them suddainly in the Spirit as of a rushing mighty wind and so it was Acts 2. 1. Therefore this Ascention of Christ is not to be understood carnallie but spirituallie even as his descending was at first for he that ascended is the same he that first descended and we read not of a bodie of flesh and bones that descended but the Holy Ghost came down upon the Virgin Mary and the power of the most High overshadowed her and this coming onlie his Disciples were to look for on them as Christ told them Acts 1. 4. but wait for the promise of the Father which saith Christ you have heard concerning me and which you shall receive when the Holie Ghost is come upon you and which they also did receive as in Acts 2. and therefore to look for such a fleshlie Christ as you declare you may look long enough before you see him French But he was caught up above overhead and shall so come again in the very same fleshlie bodie Coppin This word overhead there is none written and this word above you know not for Christ may be said to be above and yet in man for the word above signifies heaven or heavenlie things which the Scripture saith is in man For if you be risen with Christ seek the things that are above which is beyond the reach of a carnal capacitie being spiritual things as love joy peace gentlenesse goodness meekness faith c. and so carries that name of things above as the same with God being things of a purer nature then the things that are below as division wrath envie malice and evil speaking which are the fruits of the flesh and are said to be earthlie sensual and devillish and so goes under that term below or inferiour as one with the devil and not to be esteemed of as the fruits of the Spirit which are alwayes in God and so above all as God is above the Devil and Light above Darknesse and this is that heaven above into which Christ is ascended far above all heavens and into which we all shall be carried by him to be for ever with him in the Fathers glory And now pray tell me where is your heaven which you call above that you say Christ is in in a body of flesh French It is the third Heaven above the Stars Coppin How do you prove it when the Scripture saith That the heaven of heavens cannot contain him French I prove it from Paul for he was caught up into the third heaven where he saw Christ as before and knew him and saw things unspeakable and full of glory with him Coppin But Paul was all this while living on the earth and said Christ was no more to be seen in the flesh after he ascended and he being caught up into the third heaven was his being carried up out of himselfe into high Revelations of glorious manifestations of God in him which is Christ in us the hope of glory French But he saw Christ there personally in a body flesh and bones the same which he had before his death at Gods right hand now in glory Coppin If Christ be at Gods right hand in a body of flesh and bones after that manner as you say he is then this is to make God to be a body of flesh and bones also and such a one as your selfe that must be confined to a locall place when the Scripture saith he is unconfined to any time place or person but fills Heaven and earth with his fulness therefore when you speak of God and Christ you should declare what they are and what his right hand is but because you know not I will tell you God and Christ is one and the same in Spirit and glory and Christ being in Heaven at Gods right hand is his being in God far above all Heavens or created things injoying the same fulness of God as one whom God cannot be without he being that eternal wisdome and power by which he doth all things and by whom all things consist therefore if any blasphemy hath been spoke 't is you that hath spoke it and not I. Captain Harrison Sirrah you brazenface Rabshackel what doe you get up here to declare your blasphemy come downe or I 'le pull you downe Coppin I thought you had come in love and not in malice but now I see your end is to catch what you can to accuse me and because you cannot have your end you are angry Captain Harrison We came here on purpose to heare you and now we have heard blasphemy enough from your owne mouth and that you shall know e're long and so the dispute ended but Mr. Coppin desired the people to come againe an houre after for he was to Preach DISPUTE III. Between Walter Rosewell and Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of Rochester on the eleventh of December ROsewell I shall not feare this man though he were never so well armed with gifts to maintaine his damnable errours Coppin I acknowledge my selfe as I am a man to be as the weakest and worst of men nay a poor worme yet strength may be manifest in weaknesse and wisdome in foolishnesse For God hath chosen the poor weak despised and base things of the world to confound the wise and things that are not to confound the things that are And friends and Brethren I came here as a stranger into those parts yet through the desires of many of you here present therefore I am my selfe unacquainted how the actings of men have been according to the present times but I am inform'd that some of the chiefest of the Promoters of these Disputes have been and are enemies to the present Power I shall therefore desire that the Publike Peace according to the present Government may be kept and preserved Rosewell I know you speak something of this to me as well as others though you might have spared it but I confesse you have made a fair speech as a prepara●●e unto your businesse but let that passe I shall begin CHAP. VI That the whole nature of man was sinful how Christ took our sins with our nature and offer'd it up with himself without sin to the Father that he still lives in it in us and how ROsewell In the Name of the Lord Jesus whom you have blasphemed I shall charge you and let none be affended that I do begin where I did begin the last day Coppin Let us not be alwaies on one thing but if you have any thing else to say proceed to that for Mr. French did speak also the same things which you had spoke before but the other day Rosewell You said I had no more the other day but you shall find I have enough now what my Brother French spake the other day I had no knowledg of but I think it was

which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a

the second person in the Trinity God our All-blessed for ever he that did take our nature of his Virgin Mother and doth in our nature sit at the right hand of God and will come again at the last day to judge the quick and dead Coppin I do not denie the three persons according to the Scripture but you do denie Christ to be within us and would subscribe him to a place above our heads with another person therefore I will tell you what the Trinity is First there is God the Father that did create all things and in whom all things live when yet unknown to man and that men might know him that is true he did appear as a son amongst men to manifest himself to men and so he is said to be Immanuel God withus which is also Christ in us the hope of glory Thirdly there is the Holy Spirit and that is the compleat manifestation of the fulness of all things brought home to mans understanding wherein God Christ and man appears all but one in one God as Christ saith I in them and thou in me that we all may be made perfect in one and saith he The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall come and teach you all things Now so long as man is without this manifestation of God which is Christ in him he is a reprobate and knows not God but when Christ shall so appear in man to shew the Father plainly then is there a perfect knowledg of the true God in man John 14. 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father and you in me and I in you and then know you not but that Christ is in you except you be reprobates And now what is a reprobate but not to have Christ in you which is God manifest in flesh therefore I say Reprobation is the not knowing of God to be in you Rom. 1. 28. for because they did not like to retain God in their knowledge God gave them over to a reprobate mind but where there is God manifest in flesh to the knowledge of any there is Christ and that man is no longer a reprobate for then is God said to walk in him as being no longer still and silent but is seen and known to him as when a man dwells in a house shuting the windows to him and will not be seen so when God doth not only dwell in man but also walk in man discovering himself to man by opening and leting in the light through the understanding of man then is Father Son and Spirit all three as one God dwelling walking and manifesting himself in man For saith he I will dwell amongst you and I will walk amongst you I will be your God and you shall be my people Rosewell You have confounded the three persons Coppin No I have united them together in their proper places as all agreeing in one when as they were three manifestations of that one great and glorious God Father Son and Spirit Rosewell It is high time for Magistrates Ministers and people to look about them when such damnable errors are uttered with so impudent a face Captain Smith Mr. Rosewell It is the plain Scripture I conceive Mr. Coppin hath given the people satisfaction in those things for he saith that Jesus Christ is in no reprobates nor in no man till they know God and that where God doth manifest himself to a soul there is Christ Rosewell But Sir he I know doth mean that there is no reprobates ordained to wrath now tell me will Christ be in them you call reprobates first or last Coppin There is no man now come to know God but first he did not know God and so long he was a reprobate which that all men are till Christ be dwelling in them Captain Smith Till Jesus Christ be manifested in them he saith they are reprobates Rosewell But I have a new question that is Will Christ be manifest in them all first or last answer that Coppin I will give you a plain Scripture for an answer 1 Tim. 2. 4. 5. Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth for there is one God and one Mediator betweene God and man even the man Christ Jesus who gave himselfe a ransome for all men to be testified in due time whereunta I Paul am ordained an Apostle I speak the truth in Christ and lie not Rosewell You see ●e affirms that God will save all men Coppin I have answered you in the plain words of Scriptures which is an answer sufficient And Paul saith He doth speak the truth in Christ and lies not pick what you can out of that and of this Gospel truth saith he I Paul am made a Minister Rosewell You do not say that Christ shall appear in all but you bring this as a proof now no Scripture doth contradict another now this is meant he will save some of all sorts of men of places and authority Coppin The Apostle saith all and you say some who perverts Scripture now you or I Rosewell You are not to pray for all men therefore all shall not be saved Coppin If all shall be saved that are to be prayed for then there is none but shall be saved for prayers is to be made for all men Rosewell But the Apostle means all sorts of men and that some of all sorts shall be saved Coppin Then by your own words there is no one whole sort of men in the world left out from salvation but some of all sorts and not all of any sort you say shall be saved and the Scripture saith all men of all sorts for both the fulnesse of Jews and Gentiles shall come in therefore name any of any sort that shall not CHAP. IX The sin against the Holy Ghost not forgiven what it is who commits it and when ROsewell He that hath commited the sin against the Holy Ghost that after strong conviction of truth do fall away and are perverted they shall not be forgiven in this world nor the world to come and whosoever commits sin is of him but he that is born of God sineth not neither can he for his seed remaineth in him Rosewell He that is born of God sineth not that is willingly to make a trade of sin yet in the best of Gods people there is sin Coppin Then he that commits sin is of the devill and shall be destroyed but if he that commits sin and is of the devill be meant of men there is none shall be saved if all commits sin as you say Rosewell No I doe not say so Coppin But you do therefore heare if he that commits sin is of the devill as the Scripture saith and that as you say all men do commit sin for you say in the best of Gods people there is sin and that God will destroy the persons of men

Coppin speake Rosewell Pray let me speak you see with what a bundle of words this man hath heaped up a discourse as that the wicked one in man doth commit sin and that when Christ doth come that is but the beginings of his regeneration and you know that when Christ doth lay hold on any soule there is a work of regeneration wrought on that man and this work of regeneration Christ doth work onely in his people not in all men Coppin It is manifest that all men were and are the people of God though til this work of regeneration is wrought in them they do not appeare to be of God but of the devill having not the knowledg of God within them CHAP. XI A briefe hint of generall salvation by Christ of the people called Jews Gentiles and Heathens c. that it is the onely doctrine to keep men from sin and to be assured of their owne salvation how and when ROsewell The whole Scripture puts difference between the seed of the woman and the seea of the serpent and between them that shall be saved and them that shall be damned and if the devill should come from hell and preach a doctrine to bring men to the broad way of destruction this is the onely thing to make them believe all shall be saved and that whatsoever good deeds man doe can doe them no good and whatsoever evill deeds they doe can doe them no hurt Coppin You say there is no greater thing in the world to bring men into the broad way of destruction then to tell men that all shall be saved and that it is doctrine of devills therefore shall I goe on and prove how God will save all men and destroy onely the seed of the serpent in them which is no doctrine of devills but of Christ and his Apostles which they preached for to call men to salvation from the broad way of destruction into which they were led by the doctrine of damnation or damnable doctrine the doctrine of devills For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved and it is God that justisieth sinners who the● shall condemn Not I saith the Lord for I will that all men shall be saved and of this saith Paul am I made a Minister I speak the truth in Christ and lye not my conscience also bearing me witnesse in the Holy Ghost that I have great heavinesse for my Brethren according to the flesh who are Israelites and yet ignorant of this mysterie their own salvation 〈…〉 and therefore Brethren consider seriously of the Doctrine of the Apostle in Rom. Chap. 9. 10. 11. First he goes on and tells them that though Israel be as the sand in the sea yet a remnant shall be saved meaning of the Jewes at that time to whom the word Election only belongs for a very small number then believed the rest were blinded yet he tells them it shall come to passe that in the same place where it was said unto them Ye are not my people there shall it be said Ye are the children of the living God what saith the Apostle though Israel be cut off for a time hath God therefore cast away his people which he foreknew God forbid God hath not cast away his people for ever though at this present time there remains but a remnant according to the Election of grace that is now saith he but doth not tell them it shall be alwayes so but to the contrary he affirmes for the holy seed was still in them though they were blind and saw it not and of this he would not have them ignorant that blindnesse in part is happened to Israel until the fulnesse of the Gentiles be come in and so saith he which said before a remnant should be saved saith now all Israel shall be saved as it is written A Deliverer shall come out of Sion and shall turn away ungodlinesse from Jacob and this shall be my Covenant when I take away their sins for the people shall be all righteous a little one shall become a thousand a small number shall become a great number I the Lord shall hasten it in due time that it shall no more be said a remnant but all Israel shall be saved yea Jewes and Gentiles bond and free all have been baptized into Christ and shall be saved by Christ who is all and in all And the Heathen also hath he given to his Son Christ for an inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession to be possest by him but of the times and seasons Brethren I would not have you ignorant for he comes as a Thief in the night And whereas you say that this Doctrine of Salvation to all men gives men liberty to sin I tell you no for when once this love of God which is so free to all men hath appeared to my soul thy soul and any soul in the world it will keep him from the liberty of sining and bind him fast to the liberty of Christ as it is written The grace of God which brings salvation to all men hath appeared what to do to give them liberty to sin no but doth teach them to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live soberly and righteously in this present world no more according to your own wills but the Lords will for now they are in the power and hands of the Lord and he doth act them which way he please for his own glory and their good in him and then what art thou O man that judgest thy Brother thou therein judgest the Law by which he is kept and thou art not then a doer of the Law but a Judge for man cannot do any thing of himself but by that Law which he is kept and therefore all men are to say If the Lord will we shall do this or that for the Law of love which is in Christ constrains men to that which is good from that which is evil And therefore to the contrarie of what you say I declare that by your preaching of wrath hell and damnation to poor souls that are weak in the faith it doth but cast them down from the knowledge of the love of God through which they should s●● themselves saved and they can never see the love of God in Christ after that way which you preach unto them and therefore pray see friends who say they Preaches Gospel know what Gospel 't is they Preach the Apostle saith The Gospel which they preach is not after mans wisdome but by the demonstration of the spirit and of power For we Preach saith he Christ crucified to the Jewes a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishnesse because they know not the mysterie of godlinesse which is Christ in them the wisdome of God and the power of God and we preach peace on earth and good will towards men and

themselves ROsewell I hope those things need not proof they are so clear to every intelligible man I desire that we may be all humbled for these things and I desire to have nothing to do any more with this man except I shall be called to it before a Magistrate or the like and then I shall labour to the utmost to vindicate the truth of God and in my Preaching and Catechistical Exercises I shall endeavour to meet with those damnable errours of his And by the way take notice of those which do sow errours among you they be such as serve not the Lord Jesus but their owne bellies Rom. 16. 17. 18. Mark them which cause divisions and avoid them Now when men shall teach a Doctrine contrary to what the Church of God hath received in all Ages and contrary to the judgment of hundreds in this place which are juditious we may account him a Blasphemer he hath blasphemy in his forehead woe be to them which testifie lies in the name of the Lord Coppin I shall return this back on your own head and thereby kill Golia with his own Sword from these words Rom. 16. Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and avoid them for they are such who serve not the Lord Jesus but their own bellies Now let the people judge who they are for which consider that the Doctrine of Christ is a Doctrine of unitie love joy and peace amongst men but some there are who have caused divisions and offences railings and revilings at this and other meetings now and at other times contrarie to this Doctrine of Christ and who those are I appeale to the people as for my part I know no man I have wronged amongst you nor spoke evil of any but in love to the Lord the truth and your soules I have onelie defended my selfe in the truth I delivered it being so failed against Rosewell Capt. Smith Let 's conclude there will be no end Coppin I must speak a little more therefore observe they which preach for hire and lucre of worldly profit serve not Christ but their bellies not the people but themselves See Micah 3. 5. 6. 7. Thus saith the Lord concerning the Prophets that make my people erre that bite with their teeth and cry peace and he that puteth not into their mouthes they even prepare warre against him therefore night shall be unto you that you shall not have a vision and it shall be dark unto you that you shall not divine and the Sun shall goe downe over the Prophets and the day shall be dark over them then shall the Seers be ashamed and the Diviners confounded yea they shall all cover their lips for there is no answer of God The Prophets are the Priests the Seers are the Magistrates and those joyn together one to keep up another till the one shall be ashamed and the other confounded and so fall together Rosewell But read the 10. 11. verses They build up Sion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquitie the Heads thereof judg for reward and the Priests thereof teach for hire and the Prophets divine for money Coppin Truly I need not read it you have read it for me and it fits you well the Seers and Heads thereof judg for reward and you the Priests divine for money and if they will not pay you then prepare warre against them sue them at the Law have them before Magistrates and cast them into prison as you doe and have done and so serve not the Lord but your own lusts and for ten pound advancement in one place more then in another you will sell any people or Parish for which take one Scripture more 2 Pet. 2. 1 But there shall be false teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them ye them that denie him and bring upon themselves swift destruction and many shall follow their pernicious wayes by reason of whom the truth shall be evill spoken of and through covetousness shall they with fained words make merchandize of you sell you for profit whose judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not and are not those your Tythe-mongers I shall leave to you all to judg French Doe you speak this by me we have seldom halfe our Tythes paid us Coppin What are ye guiltie Do your conscience accuse you I name no man but the Priests teach for hire they bear rule by reason of their means and let the people who love to have it so judg who they be Rosewell I blesse God I am guiltlesse of this thing of preaching for hire but you do see many errours have been broached here let me crave liberty for one word of prayer and I have done DISPUTE IV. Began by William Sanbroke Minister and carried on by Walter Rosewell Minister against Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of the City of Rochester in the County of Kent December 13. CHAP. XIV What is a Gospel Message and what is not that damnation to mankind is not eternal how the Gospel is preached to every creature by whom and when SAnbroke You know the businesse of this time is to state a question about the great businesse of Salvation and Damnation and I shall fall briefly do the businesse in hand Question Whether such persons meaning the Priests and namely such of them as tell people of damnation be evil spirits or no as you did hint the last day I shall now give you the History of this Question It is a rule in the Schools that when any one will begin a question that it is necessary they do first dive into the original and bottom of such a question to see whether it runs and to what it tends but this is a question I did never know till these times of ours in this later Ages in which we have shuffled our selves out of a Church-form Episcopacy to Presbytery from thence to Independency from Independency to Anabaptisme from Anabaptisme to Seeking from Seeking to Vniversal Liberty and so we have lost our selves we know not where 1. We will see what is meant by Damnation and that is in the Word signified to be either temporal or eternal 2. What is the evil spirit and that is in opposition to the good spirit that is the devil 3. Consider the persons which he doth say are evil and they are the Priests now this word Priests was put into the Original Copy those are the Ministers of the Gospel lawfully called by God and men and setled by laying on of hands and the Spirit into a Congregation Now that Proposition that doth affirm that the Ministers which do tell people of damnation are evil spirits he must of necessity be a Blasphemer That Proposition that doth say Christ is an evil spirit that is blasphemy ergo For Christ did preach this Doctrine He that believes shall be saved he that believes not shall be damned Coppin Your

Thine hand shall finde out all thine enemies thy right hand shall finde out those that hate thee thou shalt make them as a fiery Oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath and the fire shall devoure them There is no man so wicked nor so righteous in himself but the Lord will find him out and will make him as an Oven in which he will kindle his fire to burn up the briers and thorns to wit mans sins and iniquities which man is full of and against which the fire of his anger is revealed that he may devoure them but not man for all mans works shall be burnt and he himself shall be saved so as by fire as it is written Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated though they tumbled both in one bellie Jacob is the good even the spirit Esau is the evil even the flesh and everie one hath this Jacob and Esau within them for a time but Esau which is flesh shall be burnt by Jacob which is the spirit the flesh shall be destroyed but the spirit saved and so saith the Lord the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Esau shall be for stubble and they shall kindle in them and devoure them and there shall be nothing left of the house of Esau for the Lord hath spoken it and anger is not in me saith the Lord against the persons of men but if they set briers and thorns in my way against me I will pass through them and burn them up by this shall the iniquitie of Jacob be purged and this shall be the fruit thereof to take away their sins that the Lord may dwell therein and saith the Prophet I saw the Lord upon his Throne high and lifted up and his Train fill'd the Temple and behold an Angel came with a live coal in his hand which he had from the Altar and he laid it on my mouth and said Loe this hath touched thy lips and thine iniquitie is taken away and thy sin is purged so God is said to sit in his Temple man-like a Refiner of silver to purge away the dross and tyn and to destroy all together for ever But while this fire is a kindling in man so long is man full of the smoak thereof that he is not able to look into his own Temple to behold the glory of the Lord until his indignation be overpast and so it is written the Temple was filled with smoak from the glorie of God and from his power and no man was able to enter into the Temple till the seven Plagues of the seven Angels were fulfilled and then his wrath being over the fire being quenched his sins purged and the Oven man being cleansed of all the fuel and the ashes he shall return into his Tabernacle in peace he shall visit his habitation and shall not sin he shall not be afraid to look into his own heart but shall possesse himself with joy and with peace for all sin and iniquitie shall be done away and then the Lord alone shall be exalted in his owne Temple man and man in the Lord for ever and ever Captaine Harrison Is there any man without sin Paul saith He was compassed with a bodie of sin and death Coppin The bodie of sin and death was to be destroyed and he to be without sin and though Paul was sanctified and justified in the spirituall part or new man yet he was subject to sin so far as he was in the flesh as all men are which is still waring against the spirit till the spirit hath overcome it Gaman Let me speak now c. Coppin Let him speak Robison We cannot stay I have no patience Coppin Then the Lord grant you patience if you have none Captaine Smith You had better take a day to your selfe Mr. Gaman Gaman Well I see you Priests are all carnal and your weapons are not spiritual seeing you cannot deal with this man therefore go you and your Priests together Coppin If the Presbyterians Sect have done then Anabaptists may begin and take your day also for though you are one against another yet I see you will both joyne together against me and this makes good that Scripture there 's Ephraim against Manasseh and Manasseh against Ephraim but both against Judah yet point your day when you will CHAP. XX The malicious and illegal proceedings of some Ministers and Magistrates of Kent against Richard Coppin in the City of Rochester with his Commitment to Prison how and by whom THe Disputes being ended and the Ministers not relieved but having suffer'd in their principles and losing many of their Hearers they to regaine them againe have with themselves and some men called Justices of the Peace Members of their Churches had several private consultations together how they might doe to dismisse me from thence of preaching any more to the people for which through their false information they obtained a Warrant against me from the Committee of Kent but I was then at London and having notice of it did neverthelesse appeare to the Warrant being willing to answer to any thing that should be laid to my charge being also cleare and innocent in my owne spirit of any thing that I had said or done contrarie to any Law of God or man and I being in my lodging at Rochester on the Eve of the Sabbath at night intending to preach on the morrow came an Officer of the Souldierie unto me from Captaine Smith a Captain of the Companie there quartering that I should come before him into whose hands the Warrant was committed and whose Order was by the Warrant that I must not preach on the morrow but to continue his Prisoner till Munday onlie I had liberty in the meane time to go to my lodging but the Sabbath being come on the morrow and the people assembled together at the Cathedral according to their former custome I came amongst them but a Guard of Souldiers being set in the Cathedrall I preached to the people in the Colledge-yard in the Morning and in the Fields in the Afternoone untill we were disturbed by the Souldiers who did but their duty which they were commanded by the authority of the Justices Major General Kelsie and others for that County On the morrow being Munday and twenty fourth of December the said Major General Kelsie John Parker Charles Bowles and Richard Watson as Justices of the Peace for that Countie also Captaine Harrison and severall Ministers as Informers met together in the Crowne-Inne of the City of Rochester where they examined Witnesses and received what informations they thought fit against me in my absence and having before determined amongst themselves what to doe with me they sent for me to come before them where Major General Kelsie told me that he had received information against me upon oath that I was an enemie to the present Power and of several

and such a one enjoyes it as possessingly and the other doth not and that makes it more especially unto him and so he have a greater assurance then the other hath because he trusteth in the living God who is the Saviour of all men of which all he knows himself one and so believes it upon a sure ground till which time I could not assure my self Article 15. That if there be but one man of all that ever were or shall be in the world damned no man can assuredly know that his soule shall be saved Answer And if Christ were not the Saviour of all men and I hear but of one man that shall be damned to all eternity and this man not yet pointed out as knowne from all the rest to be the man and Christ come to save the worst of sinners what full assurance then can I have of my savlation more then another of his salvation but some doubts and some feares will arise within me who shall be that man that is to be damned till I see a pardon come forth for all men to be saved and then I knowing my selfe to be one of that all cannot but have a good assurance of my owne salvation this axperince-in me doth witness as also saith the Scripture that I can no more judge any man to eternall damnation but that which is not of God in man Therefore who art thou O man that judgest another and dost the same things thy selfe for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy selfe for thou that judgest dost the same things and who hath made thee to differ from another that thou shouldest be saved and not another wherefore think not better of thy selfe then of another for there is no respect of Persons with God that is more accepted with him but only Christ in all and all in Christ for he hath concluded all men as men under sin and unbeliefe that he might have mercy upon all and then O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God how unsearchable are his judgment and his wayes past finding out for who hath knowne the mind of God or who hath bin his councellor for of him and to him and through him are all things to whom be glory for ever Article 16. That the unpardonable sin of the Holy Ghost is nothing but flesh opposing and quenching the spirit till Christ come into the soule and destroy the flesh Answer To explaine this the Holy Ghost is the spirit the sin against the Holy Ghost is the opposition and war that is made against the Spirit by the fleshly carnall mind for the flesh wa 〈…〉 against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh and these are contrary one to another in man and so saith Paul I find saith he a warring within me that when I would do good evill is present with me 't is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me for with my mind I serve the Law of God though with my flesh the Law of sin and this flesh opposing the Spirit is for a time in every man as a man of sin ruling in them till Christ come into the soule and destroy it which shall never be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come but is the only enemy that God will destroy in man Article 17. That when a soule is once regenerated then he is free from all sin that the flesh is quite destroyed Answer Regeneration is a new birth and the new birth is to be in Christ a new creature free from all sin without which man nor his prayers nor any thing is accepted of God for he heareth not sinners and without holiness no man shall see God but if the Son shall make you free then are you free indeed and him that is in Christ is a new creature old things are past away and all things are become new by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost Article 18. That no man shall receive any good by any good that he doth that it shall no way further his salvation Answer If man by his good works could merit heaven then salvation by Christ were made void or if any thing of man which is imperfect were to joyn with Christ in the work of salvation then mans salvation were not all by Christ but by man and would so far be imperfect and then man might boast and say he was able to help Christ to save his soul and so robing Christ of his work would rob him of his honor also but not of works saith Paul lest any man should boast neither by any other name under heaven but by Jesus Christ is any man saved that no flesh might glory in his presence but he that glories let him glory in the Lord that his soul was saved by the Lord Article 19. That no man shall receive any hinderance by any sin he committeth that shall do him no hurt Answer If any sin of man should hinder mans salvation by Christ then that sin would appear to be too strong for Christ to conquer and then no man could be saved for there is no sin but every man is guiltie of for all have sinned and all are guiltie but this I say with the Prophet Elihu that his bad works may hurt a man as he is and his good works may profit men but shall no way profit the salvation of his soul But because good works are good to men therefore would I have all men observe and do them doing unto others as they would others should do to them which is the sum of the whole Law for he that loveth God will also love his Brother Article 20. That our Lord Jesus Christ is the three persons in the Trinity God blessed Father Son and Holy Spirit and that the blessed Trinity is but three manifestation of God Answer The blessed Trinity Father Son and Spirit I acknowledg the Father as begeting the Son as begotten and the Holy Ghost uniting as being the compleat union of all three together in one spirit where they all meet as copartners together in one work that what the one is the other is the same and what the one doth the other doth the same as all but one God manifesting himself under various appearances of Father Son and Spirit to the creatures apprehension Article 21. That our Lord Jesus Christ himself was the Leper that was cleansed and returned to give thanks Luke 17. 15. Answer I say not that Christ was a Leper but there were ten Lepers that were cleansed and one of them when he saw himself cleansed turned back and glorified God and Christ saith Where are the other nine There are not found that returned to give glory to God save this stranger and who was this stranger but Christ in that man that gave glory to God for the work done as Christ saith Father I have glorified thee on

earth I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do for I have raised the dead and cleansed the Lepers and now O Father glorifie thou me and to whom was Christ a stranger but to the other nine for though he had healed them yet he was not manifested in them as an eye to enlighten them whereby to see themselves healed so that there was but one to give thanks for the cleansing of ten and this one was Christ giving thanks to the Father for accepting of him for their cleansing who as yet was a stranger unto them the manifestation of the spirit not yet being given them for which all men come unto him as 't is written Ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the Nations of one man even of the skirt of him that is a Jew saying We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you and look to me all ye to the ends of the earth and be ye saved saith Christ Article 22. That Baptism is of no necessity nor use Answer That that Baptism which is necessary to salvation is of necessity to be used but Water-Baptism was but the Baptism of John and was to end with John being as it was fulfilled by Christ that so Christs own Baptism might take place which was by Fire and the Holy Ghost and of this Baptism there is great necessity because without it no man can be saved Article 23. That there is no place in the whole Word of God that saith there is no Redemption from hell Answer That from that hell which the Scripture speaketh of there is Redemption so saith David Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell and David while he lived was for somtime in it shut up could not come forth the wrath of God lay so hard upon him in his not seeing the pardon of his sins which is hell to all made sensible of it and from which hell there is redemption else what is man redeemed from if not from death and hell which the Scripture saith shall be destroyed and a man must first be in it before he can be redeemed from it but if there be any Scripture in the whole Bible that saith out of hell there is no redemption let it be but by any produced and I shall believe it till then give me leave to believe what I know Article 24. That hell torments are not for ever and the Scripture warrant it Answer That if hell shall have an end as the Scripture saith then needs must hell torments and hell according to Scripture and mens experience is the not injoyment of Gods love and favour and the torments is ignorance of God terror of conscience sorrow of heart trouble of mind being discontented and unsatisfied in his condition all which are hell torments taking place in man for a time until Christ hath overcome them and chased them away by placing in their rooms the joyes of heaven as 't is written Sorrow sighing and mourning may continue for a night but joy comes in the morning and then sorrow and sighing shall all fly away and be no more seen Article 25. That Jesus Christ is not in heaven above Answer That Jesus Christ is the fulness of God and this fulness cannot be subscribed limited or confined to any one place or ●erson locally for it fills heaven and earth and all things therein of its fulness that the heaven of heavens cannot contain him but he is ascended far above all heavens into God himselfe that he might fill all things with himselfe and therein containe all things in himselfe of high and low of things in heaven and of things on earth even in him that in all things he might have the preheminence as one God over all through all and in all therefore to honour Christ with a heaven this is the highest heaven and the greatest honour that can be given to him all which I know him both to be and to have by the witness of the Spirit with the Scripture and my own experience and he that honours not Christ with this heaven he honours him with none at all but dethrones him of his Throne and detains from his glory and such a one as this denies Christ to be in heaven A POSTSCRIPT by friends to comfort the Author of this work in his present Troubles by R. W. L. T Was bravely ventured what three to one And he to keep the field till all were gone But some few men with Swords and Generals Justices of the Peace and men with mauls Consulting the Black-guard their Snakie Den A lodge from whence that cruel Serpenten Spirit of Persecution doth arise Again as 't was in the old Marian daies Else what means it in this our weekly newes From all quarters such dolours to infuse Into our ears which makes us surely think Cruelty shall enter and Justice wink A while to give this bloody Serpent string That so they easie may pluck out his sting From Esam Colchester and this of Kent Tells the Whore rides as though the Skies she 'd rent With her myst'rious fornications gain As though o're the whole world she meant to raign Her Seas nought but mire and dirt cast up To make all drink her filthy wrathful cup Her Merchants roaring bring all to their ways As French sometime Felt-maker in the Mays Rosewell from West to East did rage about 'gainst State when Love by 's sin was rooted out But when thou at Oxford and Glocester try'd Truth then advanced Justice on thy side And quail'd the haughtinesse of Chim'rims pride Whose malice 't was at first to have thee dide In crimson blood and so keep up their trade For which again thou 'rt now a Pris'ner made Go on brave heart let thine enemies know God will them in his fi'ry Oven throw And there perhaps make them his truth Keep Lent for sins or break them on th 〈…〉 FINIS Coll. 2. 2. Chap 1. 27. Tim: 2 Rev. 12 7 8 9 * For the word Chimmerims read Bezaes Translation Zephany 1. 4. Hosea 10. 5. 2 Kings 23. 5. with notes on the Margent As they were at Oxford Worcester Glocester and elsewhere Luke 22. 70. 23. 3. Luke 11. 53. 54. John 16. 2● 1 Pet. 2. 22 2 Cor 5. 21 Isa 53 1 Cor 12. Ephes 5. 34 Jude 9 1 John 3. 8 Isa 53 6 1 Pet 2 24. Redemption from hell John 10 14 Hosea 13 9● Heb 4. 10. Luke 17. 10. Iob 35 6. 7 8. Gallat 3. 10. Psa. 89. 13. 14 15 Rom 11 32 Rom. 19. 21. John 1● 11 Isa 53. 1 Gall 4 4 5 Micah 7 19 Jer. 31 34. Heb● 10 5 Joh. 10 17 18 1 Pet 2 24 John 3 18 Isaiah 53 8. 〈…〉 h 42 6 7 R●v. 1. 17. 18 ●●aiah 26. 19. Iohn 12. 32. Revel. 1. 6. Ier. 50. 5 Heb. 12 last 1 Cor. 3. 13. Isaiah 4 4. Iude 23 Ier 7. 31. 32. 1 Cor. 3. 〈…〉 Isaiah 27 4.