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A63022 Historical collections, or, An exact account of the proceedings of the four last parliaments of Q. Elizabeth of famous memory wherein is contained the compleat journals both of Lords & Commons, taken from the original records of their houses : as also the more particular behaviours of the worthy members during all the last notable sessions, comprehending the motions, speeches, and arguments of the renowned and learned secretary Cecill, Sir Francis Bacon, Sir Walter Rawleigh, Sir Edw. Hobby, and divers other eminent gentlemen : together with the most considerable passages of the history of those times / faithfully and laboriously collected, by Heywood Townshend ... Townshend, Hayward, b. 1577. 1680 (1680) Wing T1991; ESTC R39726 326,663 354

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deny the Bill a Commitment and so let it lye in the Deck and not put it to the Question for Ingrossing Sir George Moore said Sir George Moore against it I will be bold to give my Reason and leave the Consideration thereof unto you I wish it might be Committed for for ought I hear yet a Proviso might help all The Old Statute is The next Justice this is The Justices of the Quarter-Sessions It is intended that all Justices every Quarter-Sessions give their Attendance There have been oftentimes Letters from her Majesties Privy-Council and Orders from Her Majesty her self who looketh down with a gracious Eye upon the Meanest of Her Subjects touching these Ale-House-Keepers Therefore I wish That we do not cast it forth but give it the ordinary and due Consideration of other Bills by way of Commitment Mr. Wiseman said I am very Respectful of the Place from whence this Bill cometh if the Parliament be short as ther 's no other likely-hood and time so pretious with us that we Sit in the Afternoons and this Bill Incurable and not to be mended and the former Laws so Politique that I think we shall not make a better for my part I think it needless to be Committed but to be put to the Question For the Point that Four Justices of the Peace should License c. by this Statute though they deserve to be suppressed yet there is no Power limited of Suppression Besides there is a Statute that Badgers and Loaders shall be Licensed under Justices hands in the Quarter-Sessions I know my self that even when the Justices are going out of Town and even ready to take Horse the Clerk of the Peace will bring 40. or 50. to be signed by one and then another he straight puts to his hand because he will not stay and knows no more of the Man or the Matter than he that never read them And so would this Statute if it should go forwards be Abused Mr. Bond said Mr. Bond moves for a Proviso ' If this Act pass for a Law notwithstanding any exceptions that have been taken I humbly desire you all that one Proviso may be put in and that is That no Retainer or Servant to a Justice of Peace be admitted to be an Ale-house-Keeper Vintner or Victualler unless he shall be Chosen by a Jury of Twelve Men at the Leet or Law-day of that Burrough-Town wherein he desireth to Victual I know and speak what I know very well that more disorder and more Misrule is usually kept in the Houses of such kind of men than in all the Country besides if this stand not for a Law order may be taken for such kind of Offences The Law before alloweth two Justices I wish these Protecting Justices may not have the same Power for as some be Magistrates so they are men I know many Abuses touching Authority given to men that be Tipplers I am a Devonshire-man and I speak plainly from the Heart of him that hates Popery and defies Puritanism I add further that I am Her Majesties Subject to whose Sacred Self I acknowledge my self in all duty bound and I Pray with the Psalmist her Enemies Confundentur Mr. Speaker I know what I speak and I have Reason to speak thus by Reason of some Imputation that hath been Offer'd me by one whom in Charity I Pray God Forgive Mr. Martyn said Mr. Martyn for putting it to the Question The Gentleman that last spake it seems spake out of his Grief of mind in being galled by some Tongue-metal And I think there is no man that feeleth blowes but would be glad to be eased of them I cannot therefore blame him to purge and defend himself by this Apology But that hath led us out of the Ale-house Yet I wish that we might make a quick Return by putting it without further Disputation to the question So it was put to the Question It is Rejected whether it should be Committed and all said No No but Mr. Wingfield at which the House Laughed Then the Questions upon the continuance of Statutes were offer'd to be Read The Bill concorning Ordnance called for But the House called for the Bill concerning Ordnance yet the Clerk fell to Read the Questions but still the House cried Upon the Bill for Ordnance At length Mr. Cary stood up and said In Whom it lies to chuse what Bill shall be Read In the Roman Senate the Conful always appointed what should be read and what not So may our Speaker whose place is a Consul's place If he erre or do not his duty fitting to his place we may remove him and there have been Precedents for it But to appoint what business should be handled in my Opinion we cannot At which Speech some Hissed Mr. Wiseman said Mr. Wiseman's Opinion I Reverence Mr. Speaker in his place But I make great difference between the Old Roman Consuls and him Ours is a municipal Government and we know our own Grievances better than Mr. Speaker and therefore 't is fit that every man Alternis vicibus should have those Acts be called for he conceives most fit And all said I I I. Mr. Hackwell said I wish nothing may be done but by Consent that breeds the best Concordance My desire is Mr. Hackwel's Motion about it The Bill for Ordnance should be Read If you Mr. Speaker do not think so I humbly Pray it may be put to the Question Mr. Comptroller stood up and said Mr. Comptroller speaks against these Disorders I am sorry to see this Confusion in this House It were better we used more Silence and spake in Order Yesterday you ordered the Bill for the Continuance of Statutes should be Read now in an humor you cry Ordnance Ordnance I pray you that we first Decreed let us stick to and not do and undo upon every Idle motion Mr. Secretary Cecil said I will speak shortly Secretary Cecil Composes it because it best becomes me neither will I trouble your Patience long because the time permits it not It is a Maxim Praestat otiosum esse quam nihil agere I wish the Bill for continuance of Statutes c. may be Read and that agrees with the precedent Order of this House and more with the Gravity thereof yet because this Spirit of Contradiction may no more trouble us I beseech you let the Bill for Ordnance be Read And that 's the Houses Desire The Bill against Transportation of Iron-Ordnance Gun-metal ' and Shot was Read And Sir Robert Wroth Informed the House That a Ship is now upon the River ready to go away Laden with Thirty Six peeces of Ordnance It was put to the Question Whether the Statute concerning the Poor should be continued and all cried I I I. Mr. Secretary Cecil said Secr. Cecil about Maimed Souldiers I am sorry that I have so great Occasion to Recommend to the Houses Consideration the miserable estate of Maimed Souldiers War
divers in this House do know Three Hundred Thousand Pounds before Easter How this shall be Raised and Gathered That is the Question For without this proportion of Charge neither can the Spaniards in Ireland be repelled nor the War there maintain'd Neither Her Majesties other Affairs be set on Foot Neither Provision sufficient can be made for defence against Forreign Invasions Admit with a less Charge we should now Expell him Will any man be so simple to think he will give over the Enterprise being of so great Consequence and grow Desperate I should think him a man but of a shallow Understanding and less Policy Surely if we had been of that mind when he had that great Overthrow of his Invincible Navy One Thousand Five Hundred Eighty Eight we had been destinated unto Perdition For how many chargeable Enterprises of Puissant great Consequence hath he since made The like if his Forces in Ireland should now Fail would he do again And therefore That we now do in Defence if he should be expelled with a less Matter would as well serve to make Defence against his next Invasion of that Kingdom as also to Enrich her Majesty to be ready to Furnish her Navy and Forces the speedier for her safety Besides if he bestows so vast a Treasure for the gaining of one poor Town Ostend what will he do to gain so strong and Famous a Kingdom as Ireland I will by the Leave of a VVorthy Person that sits by me and knows these things better than I do yeild a particular Account to you of the State it self First The last whole Subsidy after the Rate of Four Shillings Land and Eight Groats Goods came not to above Eighty-Thousand Pounds the Subsidy of the Clergy Twenty-Thousand Pounds the Double Fifteens Sixty-Thousand Pounds In all One-Hundred and Sixty-Thousand Pounds Since my Lord of Essex's Going into Ireland who now is with God she hath spent Three-Hundred-Thousand Pounds which cometh unto Three-Hundred and Twenty-Two-Thousand Pounds So the Queen is behind-hand Three-Hundred-Thousand Pounds Thus we refer the Matter to your Judicial Consideration We only shew you the present Estate of the Queen and her Affairs wishing no Man to look that we should give Advice what is to be done As though your Selves who are the Wisdom of the Land could not direct your Selves neither upon the Reasons alledged judge of the Necessity of the State Mr. Comptroller Sir John Fortescue Sir John Fortescue and Mr. Secretary Harbart spake all to the same Effect only Sir John Fortescue added this That what pleased the House in the Name of the Subjects to bestow the same Her Majesty did and ever would imploy to their Uses So that Dying it might be written on Her Tomb as on the Emperor Quod occupatus vixit So that She Dying Lived still imploying all to the Safety of Her Subjects And I beseech you remember That the Great Turk when he Conquer'd Constantinople found therein Three-Hundred Millions of Gold Which being told him If they said he had bestowed but Three Millions in defence of their City I could never have gotten it A notable Saving of the Great Turk From this Blindness I pray God Defend us that we may not be backwards to give Four Subsidies to Her Majesty for want whereof in time we may hap to lose that which cannot be Recovered or Defended with a Hundred So after a few other Conferences and Speeches Pro Contra it was concluded That the House should be Certified of their Proceedings on Monday and by General Consent the Three Pound Men were to be included And so the House about Six a Clock at Night rose confusedly Nota That Mr. Anthony Maynard by the Consent of the whole House sat in the Chair as Clerk to Register the Order of this Committee and by Consent also was Licensed to put on his Hat Sunday November the 8th On Monday November the 9th A Bill for Suppressing of Maintenance Also A Bill to suppress People from idle Shifting The first time Read Also A Bill for the Reformation of Abuses in the Making of Cloth Also A Bill for Advance of Customs A Bill for the Benefit of Merchants and Advancing of Her Majesties Customs both Inward and Outward Also Mr. Townsend moves against the great Number of common Sollicitors A Bill to Restrain the Number of Common Sollicitors put in by Mr. Townsend of Lincolns-Inn the Collector of this Journal to which he spake as followeth May it please you Mr. Speaker It was well said by a Worthy Member of this House Mr. Francis Bacon That every Man is bound to help the Common-Wealth the best he may Much more is every Man in his own Particular bound being a Member of this House if he knows any dangerous Enormity towards the Common-Wealth That he would not only open it but if it may be suppress it We being all here within these Walls together may be likened to a Jury shut up in a Chamber Every Man There upon his Oath and every Man Here upon his Conscience being the Grand Jury-Men of this Land bound to deal both Plainly and Truly Here-with though a most unworthy and least sufficient Member of this House my Self being touched I had rather adventure my Credit by Speaking though confusedly knowing the great Inconvenience and Mischief attends this Kingdom by Silence in so pleasing a Case as I perswade my self this Bill will be to every Man that hears it To which Mr. Speaker because I may have Benefit of Speech if occasion serves at the second Reading thereof I will not speak more at this present than only touch the Tract of the Bill it self The Honourable Person that in the upper-Upper-House in the Beginning of this Parliament spake against the Lewd Abuses of Prowling Sollicitors and their great Multitude who set Dissention between Man and Man like a Snake cut in pieces crawl together and joine themselves again to stir up even Spirits of Dissention He I say advises us that a Law might be made to suppress them I have observed that no Man this Parliament ever profer'd to prefer any such Bill to this House but sure I am no Man spake to this Purpose I have therefore Mr. Speaker presumed out of my young Experience because I know part of their Abuses and with that small Portion of Learning that I have to draw a Bill and here it is The Title is thus An Act to Suppress the Multitude of Common Sollicitors The Body of the Act disableth all Persons to Sollicite in any Cause other than their own There is Excepted and Fore-prized Four several sorts Lawyers and Atturnies in their own Courts where they be Sworn Servants in Livery and Kinsmen within the Fourth Degree of Consanguinity And no Man within this Kingdom but may find a sufficient Sollicitor within these Four Degrees And I humbly pray The Bill being short may be Read and Received A Bill concerning certain Abuses in the Exchequer Committed the Committee