Christ with one Spirit into one body that I confess according to Scripture and the Lords Supper I confess and that the brend the Saints Gal. 3. 27. break is body of Christ and that cup which they drink is the Ioh. 6. 53. 55. blood of Christ this I witnesse Object 3. He did disswade men from reading the Scriptures telling them that it is carnal Answ For disswading men from reading the Scriptures that is false for they were given to be read as they are but not to 1 Cor. 2. 10. 16. make a Trade upon the Letter is carnall and killeth but that which gave it forth is spiritual eternall and giveth life and this I witnesse Object 4. That he was equall with God Answ That was not so spoken but that He that sanctifieth Heb. 2. 11. and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all 〈…〉 Eph. 5. 30. this the Scripture doth witness And ye are the Sons of God and the Father and he Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit and they that are joyned to an harlot are on flesh Object That God taught deceit Answ That is false and was never spoken by me God is pure Object That the Scriptures are Antichrist Answ That is false but that they which prosess the Scriptures and live not in the life and power of them as they did that gave them forth that I witness to be Antichrist Object That he was the judge of the world Answ That the Saints shall Judge the world the Scripture witness it whereof I am one and I witness the Scripture fulfilled Cor. 6. 2. 3. Object That he was as upright as Christ Answ Those were not so spoken by me but that as he is so are we in this present world That the Saints are made the 1 Ioh. 4. 17. righteonsness of God That the Saints are one in the Father and 2 Cor. 5. 21. the Son that we shall he like him 1 John 3. 3. and that all Ioh. 17. 21. 22. teaching which is given forth by Christ is to bring the Saints to perfection even 〈◊〉 the measure of the stature of the fastness Eph. 4. 11. 12. 13. of Christ This the Scripture doth witness and this I witness Where Christ dwels must not â—e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Temple Queries propounded to George Fox by some of the Contrivers of the Petition and by him Answered Query WHether there be one individual God distinguished into the Father Son and Holy Ghost or not Answ Herein thou wouldst know whether God be individual yea or no which is but a busie minde for hadst thou the witness in thy self thou wouldst know that he is but the Heathen know not God and all that know him not are Heathen living in the wicked imiginations of their own hearts and that is thy condition For God is a Spirit and none know him but the Son and he to whom the Son is revealed the Son and the Word is one He that hath ears to bear let him bear what the Spirit saith for thou natural man thou knowest not the things of God Qu. Whether a believer be justified by Christs righteousness imputed yea or no Answ He that beleeveth is born of God and he that is born of God is justified by Christ alone without imputation Qu. Whether he that beleeveth that Christ hath taken away his sin is clean without sin in this life as Christ himself or not Answ He that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God sins not neither can he sin because his seed remaineth in him as he is so are we in this present evil world Qu. Whether a Believer be without all sin in this life or not Answ Christ being made manifest is made manifest to take away sin and in him is no sin at all he that abideth in him sins not he that sins is of the Devil and bath not seen him in the true Church of God there is no talk of such carnal things Thou Sot the Bread which the Saints break is of the body of Christ he is the bread of life The Church is not the Steeple-house but the Church is in God and those that eat the bread of life live for ever the Church is in God and the bread of life is there and it shall continue for ever Qu. Whether Christ in the flesh be a figure or not and if a figure how and in what Answ Christ is the substance of all figures and his flesh is a figure for every one passeth through the same way as he did who comes to know Christ in the flesh there must be a suffering with him before there be a rejoycing with him Christ is an example for all to walk after and if thou know'st what an example is thou wouldst know what a figure is to come up to the same fulness Qu. Weether there be any Heaven or Hell for the Elect or Reprobute after death but in man in this life or not Answ There is no knowledge of Heaven or Hell but through death the wicked shall be turned into bell and all them that forget God there to be tormented there is a hell thou shalt finde it Heaven is God Throne and Heavenly notions within shall be shaken for God is pure and nothing that is unclean shall stand before him and he hath said he will dwell in man Qu. Whether the Ministration of the Ministory by man is to continue till the end or not Answ The Ministration of the world is the Ministry of man and doth not lead to an end but keeps in time and that must have on end for it is not of God The Ministery of God is to draw people up to himself but that is not of man nor by man nor according to man or Paul was made a Minister according to the wil of God who had not received it of man neither was it taught him of man and was a Minister of the Spint but the Ministers of the world receive their learning as Oxford and Cambridge and are taught of men and speak a divination of their own brain which is conjuring and bewitch the people with those things which are carnal as to sprinkle Infants and tell them of a Sacrament which there is no Scripture for and saying they are the Ministers of Christ and act those things which he forbids as to have the chiefest place in the assemblies the uppermost room at feasts the greeting in Markets and to be called of men Masters and with pretence make long prayers which Christ forbids and profess and say they are the Ministers of Christ wherein they shew themselves to be Antichrist And see if thou do not uphold these Antichrists and say they are the Ministers of Christ Qu. Whether the written Word I mean the Scriptures be the power of God unto Salvrtion to every one that believes or not Answ The written Word is not the power of God not
Husbands Children to their Parents Servants to their Masters Congregations to their Ministers and of a People to their God But Opinions we deny for they are without God and there you are and justice and purity is but one and that we set up and own purity and walking in the Spirit doth make a separation from all uncleanness and can have no fellowship with them who are unfruitful workers of darkness but there is a separation from them the Rom. 1. 2. one hath fellowship with God and the other hath fellowship with darkness which be unfruitful the one is separated to God the other is separated from God Object Have drawn much poople after them many whereof Men Women and little Children at their meetings are strangely wrought upon in their bodies and brought to fall foam at the mouth roar and swell in their bellies Answ The meetings of the people of God were ever strange to the world for it was as though some strange thing had happened 1 Pet. 4. 12. to the Saints as ye read in the Scripture which shew Psal 71. 7. ye are in the same generation wondring and stranging at the work of the Lord despising and casting scandals slanders and false reports upon them and where the works of God are now they think them strange things now as was then who Act. 13. 41. are alive in the flesh It would be a strange thing to see one now sall down as Paul fell down and trembled and as Daniel fell down and trembled and to see one a Habakkuk his belly to tremble and his lips to quiver and as David to ly D o. 10. 9. roaring all the day long who cryed I 'l his sight was grown dim and hiâ— flesh sailed of fatnesss and till he could number his bones Hab. 3. 16. and to see one as Isaiah to rent his garment and his mantle and pluck his hair off his head and off his beard and sit down astonished and would it not be strange to see such an Assembly as came to Isaiah which had all trembling hearts Hear the Word Ifa 66. 5. of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word Work out your salvation with fear and trembling Before their faces the people shall be much pained all faces shall gather blackness The Prophets and Ministers of God have all one Spirit accodring to Joel 2. 6. measure and did encourage those that did tremble wherein it shews that you have not the same Spirit but seek to persecute and fix scandals and accuse them faâ—â—â— The Ministery of truth ever drew from all the Ministery of the world and from under all the lawes of the world up to God and from all the Gods of the earth and then they witnessed that the Lord was their Lawgiver the Lord was their King the Lord was their Judge Ob. Geo. Fox professed and avowed that he was equal with God Ans It was not so spoken as George Fox was equal with God but the Father and the Son is one I and my Father are one and where the same is revealed this is witnessed but where the Joh. 14. 9. 16 sure is not made manifest and revealed Christ is persecuted for the world knows him not Let the same minde be in you Phil. 6. 7. that was also in Christ Iesus who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equall with God and yet made himself of no reputation and this I witnesse to be fulfilled for the same Spirit where it is equall with God for be that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one and it is God that sanctifieth He that hath the Word of God hath God for God is the word and our fellowship is with God There is a natural man and there is a spirtual man the first is of the earth earthly Heb. 2. 1. the second is the Lord from heaven The new man which is created Jude 1. after God in righteousnesse and true holinesse and he that John 1. doth righteousnesse is righteous even as be is righteous 1 Cor. 47. 48. And this I witnesse what the Scripure saith Let no man deceive you 1. Joh. 3. Object He professeth himself to be the eternall Iudge of the world Answ He that was a Minister of God said that the Saints 1 Cor. 6. 2. should judge the world yea Angels herein they do shew themselves to be no Ministers of God who seek to persecute them who are judged of God and justified by him where judgement Mat. 12. 2 is brought forth unto victory and set in the earth and that which is eternall hath judged all the carnal nature in himself and where it is judged there is no unity with it where it is a live and he 〈◊〉 hath not â—ue judgement and hath not Sale Mat. 5. â—â— in himself to 〈◊〉 withall is good for nothing and he cannot endure that Christ should speak where he is made manifest I am the nay saith Christ Christ is but one in all his Saints and he speaks in them but he doth not say that George Fox is Christ I am the way the truth and the life Christ is the 1 Cor. â—â— light and ye are the light and Christ liveth in you and Christ Mark 1â— is the head of the man and it is the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you and spoke in Christs and he is but one in all his Saints without are many Christ Lo here and lo there but know you not that Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates and if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin and there Chirst Iesus speaks the same Christ to day yesterday and for ever And Isa 5. 20 thy judgement which is not eternal is carnal and with-evill thoughts thou judgest thou puttest darkness for light and light for aarkness and here thou she west thy judgement to be carnall and no Minister of God but a Minister of the Letter and not of the Spirit for the Ministers of the Spirit have true judgment and did imprison none not persecute as you do but it is that fools may utter forth their folly Object He said be was the way the truth the life Answ The old man cannot endure to hear the new man speak which is Christ and Christ is the way and if Christ be in you must not he say I am the way the truth and the life John 14. 6. Now if Antichrist speak he is owned of the world but he cannot witness it while the old man reigns the voice of John 10. 4. God is not known nor Christ himself to speak in man but Christs sheep know his voice Object He said whosoever took a place of Scripture and made a Sermon of it or from it was a Conjurer and his preaching was Conjuration Ans He that puts the Letter for the light when the Letter saith Christ is the light he
is blind and they that say the Letter John 8. 12. and the Spirit are inseparable when the Spirit saith the Letter is death and killeth and all that do study to raise a living thing out of a dead to raise the Spirit out of the Letter are Conjures and draw points and reasons and so do Jer. 23. 16. speak a divination of their own brain they are Conjurers Jer. 27. 9. 10 and Diviners and their teaching is from Conjuration which is not spoken from the mouth of the Lord and the Lord is against all such and who are of God are against all such for that Doctrine doth not profit the people at al for it stands not in the councel of God but is a doctrine of the Devil and drawes people from God but he that speaks from the mouth of the Lord turns people from their wickednes but that Ministery which God hath not sent and that assembly must be disaffected for the Lord is coming to teach his people himself by his Spirit Heb. 8. 11. Object George Fox said the Soripure was carnay Ans The Letter of the Scripture is carnal and the Letter is death and killeth but the Spirit giveth life which was in them Heb. 7. 16. that gave forth the Scriptures and that I witnes which is eternal and not carnal for the Jews which had the Letter persecuted Iesus Christ the substance and so do you now which have the Letter and not the Substance there were Ministers of the Letter then and Ministers of the Spirit so there is now the Col. 1. 27. same Christ being made manifest is unknown to the world for the whole world Lyeth in wickednes and Christ Jesus is a Mystery to the world and is bid though you may profeses him because the Letter speaketh of him but ye persecute him where 1 Iohn 3. 8 be is made manifest and where he is made manifest the works of the devil are destroyed and there be speaks and is King 1 Ioh. 5. â—â— and is the way and is the truth and is the life and he that hath Rom. 8 11. the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life and he 1 Cor. 6. 27. that hath the same spirit that raised up Iesus Christ is equal 2 Cor. 6. 10. wth God and the Scripture saith that God wildwel in man walk in man as Iesus Christ which is the mystery hath passed before so the same Spirit takes upon it the same seed and is the same where it is made manifest according to the flesh I am the son of Abraham according to the Spirit the Son of God saith Christ All the plotting of the Priests is and ever was against Christ where he is made manifest and the Boast shall Col. 1. 27 make rear with the Saints and with the Lamb but the Heb. 2. 11. Lamb shall get the victory praises praises be to our God for ever for evermore Obj. Richard Huberthorn writ that Christs coming in the flesh was but a figure Ans Christ in his people is the substance of all figures tipes and shadows fulfilling them in them and setting them free from them But as he is held forth in the Scripture-Letter without them and in the flesh without them he is their example or figure which is both 〈◊〉 that the same things might be fulfilled in them that was in Christ Iesus for even her innto were 1 Pet. 2. 21. ye called because Christ hath suffered for us leaving us an example 1 Pet. 4. 1. that we should follow his steps for asmuch as Christ hath suffered 1 Pet. 1. 19. for us arm yourselves likewise with the same mind Christ was our example in suffering and in holinesse and as he which hath called you is holy so be ye holy in all manner of conversation Iohn 13. 15. because it is writen Be ye holy as I am holy he is our example in humility I have given you an example saith Christ that ye should do even as I have done unto you And as he is so are we in this World He is our forerunner Captain of our salvaton and in all things our example As they have done unto me so shall they do unto you But all they who have not Christ dwelling in them go about to persecute him in all them in whom he is made manifest they neither follow him as an example themselves nor suffer others to follow him as an example and walk in the same steps but deny him both as the substance and example of his people but they who are taught of him do confesse him both as he is the substance of all things and their example in all things for without me ye can do nothing saith Christ and it is so I witnesse it And as for Iames Milner though his mind did run out from his condition and from minding that light of God which is in him whereby the world takes occasion to speak against the Truth and many friends stumble at it yet there is a pure seed in him Object Leonard Fell said that Christ had no body but his Church Answ There is one body and one Spirit even as ye are called 〈◊〉 4. 4. into one hope of your calling and Christ Iesus is the head of the 〈◊〉 1. 18. Body the Church and ye are made free from sin by the body of Cor. 5. 19. Christ and Christ came to redeem his Church God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself for his bodies sake which is 〈◊〉 1. 24. his Church For we are members of his Body of his flesh and of 〈◊〉 5. 30. his bones this is a great Mystery but I speak concerning Christ and his Church And hath put all things under his feet and gave 〈◊〉 22. 23. him to be the head over all things to the Church which is his body The fulnesse of him that filleth al in al in whom also we are builed up together for an habitation of God through the Spirit More Objections against George Fox charged upon him by the Contrivers of the foresaid Petition and Answered by him as followeth Object 1 THat he did affirm that he had the Divinity ossentiall in him Answ For the word essential it is an expression of thir own but that the Saints are the Temples of God and God doth dwell 2 Cor. 6. 1. in them that the Scriptures do witnesse and if God dwell in Eph. 4. 6. them then the Divinity dwels in them and the Scripture saith 2 Pet. 1. 4. Ye shall be partakers of the Divine nature and this I witnesse but where this is not they cannot witnesse it Object 2. That both Baptisme and the Lords Supper are unlawfull Answ As for that word unlawful it was not spoken by me but the Baptisme of Infants I deny and there is no Scripture that speaks of a Sacrament but that Baptism that is into
the Scriptures are not the Salvation but he that doth believe hath the life of them Who is born of God shall never dye as it is written he that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God hath the witness in himselfe that God is the cause of mans Salvation and not the Scripture nor the Letter James Naylers Answer and Declaration touching some things charged upon him by the men aforesaid HAving heard of divers untruths cast upon me by some of the Priests in their high places though I stand only to the Lord in respect of my selfe yet left any that love the truth should be led on by these salfe reports to speak evil of those things they know not I shall lay open the truth as it is revealed in me touching those things whereof I have bee falsly accused First Concerning Jesus Christ that he is the eternal word of God by whom all things were made and are upholden which Rev. 19. 13. was before all time but manifested to the world in time for the 1 Ioh. 1. 2 3 4 5. recovery of left man which Word became flesh and dwelt amongst the Saints who is the same yesterday to day and for Ioh. 1. 14. ever who did and doth dwell in the Saints who suffered and rose again and ascended into Heaven and is set at the right hand o God to whom all power is given in heaven and in earth Eph. 1. 20. who fill all places is the light of the world but known to none but to those that receive and follow him and those he lead up to Ioh. 8 12. God out of all the ways works and worships of the world by his pure light in them whereby he reveals the man of sinne 2 Thess 2. 8. and by his power casts him out And so prepares the bodies of the Saints a fit Temple for the pure God to dwell in with whom dwells no unclean thing and thus he reconciles God and man 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. and the image of God which is in purity and holinesse is renewed and the image of Sâ—â—an which is all sin and uncleanness is defaced and none can witness Redemption further then Christus thus revealed in them to set them free from sin which 2 Cor. 5. 18. 19. Christ I witness to be revealed in me in measure Gal. 1. 16. 2 Cor. 13. 5 Col. 1. 27. Col. 3. 10. 2. Concerning the Scriptures That they are a true Declaration of that word which was in them that spoke them forth and 2 Pet. 1. 20. 21. are of no private interpretation but were given forth to be read and fulfilled in the Saints as they were given forth by the Rev. 22. 18. Holy Ghost without adding or diminishing and were not given forth for men to make a Trade on to get money by but as they are they are profitable for Doctrine for reproofe for correction 2 Tim. 3. 16. 17. for instruction in righteousness that the may of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto every good work But they who trade in the Letter and are ignorant of the Mâ—â—â—â—y deny all perfection and none can rightly understand the Scriptures but thay who read them with the same spirit that gave them forth 1 Cor 2. 14 15. for the 〈…〉 man understands not the things of God for they are spiritually discerned 3. Concerning Baptisme the true Baptisme is that of the spirit with the holy Ghost and with fire Baptized by one spirit into onebody not the washing away the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection Acts 1. 5. Jesus Christ without which no other Baptism can save us they being out figures or shadows but this Baptism of Christ Gal. 3. 27. is the substance whereby we are baptized into his death and those that are bapized into Christ have put on Christ 4. Concerning the Lords Supper The true Supper of the Lord is the spiritual eating and drinking of the flesh and blood Mat. 26. 26. 28. of Christ spiritually which the Spirituall man only eateth and is thereby nourished up unto carnall life without which Iohn 6. 51. 53 54 55 56. eating there can be no life in creature profess what you will and all who eat of this bread and drink of this cup have reall communion in Christ the head and also one with 1 Cor. 11. 24. 25. another as members and are of one heart and one minde a compleat body in Christ Now the world who take onely Col. 2. 10. the outward fignes and are not brought in discerning of the Lords body eat drink domnation to themselves become guilty 1 Cor. 11. 27 28 29. of the body and blood of Christ and cals this a Communion but lives in envy strif and debate fighting and going to Law one with another for earthly hings 5. Concerning the Resurrection That all shall arise to give an account and receive at the last day according to their works Iohn 5. 29. whether good or evill These bodies that are dust shall turn to 1 Cor. 15. 38. dust but God shall give a body as pleaseth him that which is sown in corruption shall be raised in incorruption it is sown a 1 Cor. 15. 42 43 44. naturall body it is raised a spirituall body and as we have borne the image of the earthly so we shall hear the image of the Rev. 2. 6. heavenly but flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of heaven neither doth corruption inherit incorruption for we 1 Cor. 15. 20. must be changed But they who cannot witnesse the first Resurrection within themselves know nothing of the second but by heatsay and therefore say some of your Teachers that Christ 1 Cor. 15. 47. is in Heaven with a carnal body Now that Christ who is the si si it fruits should be in Heaven with a carnall body and the Saints with a spirtuall body is not proportionable 6. Concerning Magistracy It is an Ordinance of God Ordained for the punishment of evil doers and an encouragement for them that do well Where Justice and righteousnesss is the head and ruleth with out partiality that Land is kept in peace and those that judge for the Lord I honour as my own life not with a sluttering honour putting off he hat and bowing of the knee which is the honor of the world having mens persens Jude 16. in admiration because of advantage for self ends but from my heart for conscience sake as to the power which is of God not to mens persons for the Scripture saith he that respects persons commits sin and is convinced of the Law as a transgressor and the Apostle Iames commands the Saints not to have the Jam. 2. 9. faith of our Lord Jesus Christ the Lord of glory with respect of Iam. 2. 1 2 3 4. persons for saith he such are partial
canst here before the Magistrates But not being able to prove any one he began to accuse James for holding out a light that doth convince of sin Which Saith the Priest all have not To which James said Put out one in all this great multitude that dare say he hath it not Saith the Priest Thes are al Christians but if a Turk or Indian were here he would deny it James said Thou goest far for a proof but if a Turk were here he would witness against thee The people beginning to fight the Priest turned away saying Here will be a disturbance Said James These are thy Christians and this is the fruits of thy Ministery But the Justice with some other did endeavour to keep the rude people off him so that they could not come to their purpose there but he being to passe over the Bridge and throughth Town they that were of the Priests party ran before sweaning they would throw him off the Bridge into the water but comming thither and seeing heir purpose he was encouraged in his God who gave him assurance of protection and did wonderfully keep him and those that were with him for when he came unto the Bridge the word of the Lord came unto him and he was made to cry out against their rage and the power of the Lord was with him so that he received no harm though he was made to speak all along and in the Market place and til he came out of the Town But the raging people continued shouting crying and throwing of stones at him a quarter of a mile out of the Town But such was the power of the Lord that neither he nor any with him received any harm The work was wonderful and we were brought much to admire it end praise the Lord who is blessed for euer and ever Another time Iames being desires of many Christian friends to be at a meeting at Orton there to wait upon the Lord for what he would make known to his people did accordingly and many friends and brethren accompanied him but the Priests having intelligence some days before five of them were gathered together and many people from all quarters A friend in the Town desired Iames to come to his house and being come into his house a message was sent from the Priests desiring him to come into the field under pretence for a more convenient place for the great multitude To which Iames answered It is my desire that all may be edified and comming into the field the Priests came with a great multitude and asked him by what authority he came thither and had gathered together so many people to break the peace and tempting him said Wilt thou he bound that none here shall break the Peace To which Iames answered We come not hither to create offences but if any break the Law let him suffer by the Law for he perceived they intended violence as it appeared afterwards But seeing they could not prevail in that mother of them desired him to go into the Church as he called it tempted him saying The people may all sit and hear better But Iames perceiving their deceit said All places were alike to him he would abide in the field Wherein they pulled out an Ordinance of Parliament forbidding any to speak but such as were authorized to speak either in Church or Chappel or an publick place and bade him speak at his peril as he would an wet the contempt of it To which he answered saying This is not a publick place No said one of the Priest Is not this a publick place the Town field and charged the Constable of the Town to do his office and examined his authority Iames answered Those that are sent to declare the things of God have not their authority from men But they bad him prove that He said Paul received not his commission from man nor by man To which one of 〈◊〉 answered That was his Gospel but they would prove saint Paul had a call from man to preach and for that end 〈◊〉 that place in Acts 13. 2. where the Holy Ghost sad Separate me Barnabas and Saul and the Apostles laid their hands upon them which said one of them 〈◊〉 Presbytery 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was the laying on of hands of the 〈◊〉 But when he had found that place James asked him it that was Pauls call to the Ministry three times but he answared nothing Then said James If that was his call he had preached long without a call before that and instanced to prove it Gal. 1. Whereupon that business ended But another Preist stood up and said Thou oughtest to give an account of thy Faith to every one that a keth whereupon he asked divers questions whereunto James answered in so much that some that stood by cryed out Answer not all but ask him some A while after Iames asked him how he would proved himselfe a Minister of the Gospel and live upon Tithes To which he would not answer Then said Iames Neither will I answer thee if thou ask me twenty more The next question he asked was Whether Christ was ascended or no but Iames said I will not answer thee Whereupon he cryed out to the people and said he denies the humanity of Christ and made a great out cry among the people of it But the people cryed out saying Let us hear him you have often told us many things against him let him speak and then if he speak not truth you may then reprove him Iames hearing the desire of the people began to speak and the people gave audience and were very silent But beginning to hold out Christ alone to be the Teacher of his people in spirit and truth one of the Priest cryed out I cannot endure to hear this Seducer any longer Vpon which Iames said Prove me a Seducer before all this people or else thou art a false Accuser But he had not one word to say against any thing that he had spoken But said If thou wilt not answer me that Question I asked thee I will call thee a Seducer as long as I live Whereupon seeing there could be no peace there nor liberty to speak they desired Iames to goe into the house and they kept closed about him to keep him from violence of some that came along with the Priest but they raged so that he 〈◊〉 other friends received stripes with much ad◠got to the house But the raging Sodomites waited about the door to do mischief and kept shouting about the house all the while he was speaking but the house being filled with people they could not come to their purpose and the Lord so ordered it in the Evening we came away without any more harm but not long after there came some of the Priests party about the house and asked if Nayler was gone and when they heard he was gone they said He may thank God of that Thus by the wisedom of God he escaped their violence at that
every day Col. Brigs I never heard such a call as this is in our time Iam. I believe thee Just Pears Is Christ in thee Iam. I witness him in me and if I should deny him before men he would deny me before my Father which is in heaven Just Pears Spiritual you mean Iam. Yea Spiritual Just Pears By faith or how Iam. By faith Just Pears What difference then between the Ministers and you Iam. The Ministers affirm Christ to be in heaven with a carnal body but I with a Spiritual body Just Pears Which of the Ministers say Christ is in heaven with a Carnal body Iam. The Minister so called of Kirkby Steven Priest Higginson stood up and affirmed it again openly before all the Court. Iam. If Christ be in heaven with a carnal body and the Saints with a spiritual body it is not proportionable neither was that a carnal body which appeared among thâ— Dâ—â—ciples the doors being shut and appeared in divers shapes Quest Was Christ man or no Iam. Yea he was and took upon him the seâ—d of Abraham and was real flâ—sh and bone but is a Mystery not known to the carnal man for he is begotten of the immortal seed and those that know him know him â—o be spiritual for it was the VVord that became flesh and dwelt amongst us and if he had not been Spiritual he had not wrought by Redemption Just Pears Is Christ in thee as man Iam. Christ filleth all places and is not divided Seperate God and man and he is no more Christ Just Pears If we stand to dispute these things we should have the Ministers Iam. Perceiving Priest Higginson offended because he had told of his saying that Christ was in heaven with a carnal body I â—â—s said Friend I had not 〈◊〉 thee had I not been asked what was the difference between the Ministers and me for I am not come to accuse any for I am against accusations Col. Brigs Wast thou not of a Kirk about Sawâ—by Iam. I was a member of an Independent Church at 〈◊〉 church Col. Brigs Wast thou not excommunicated for thy blasphe-mous opinions Iam. I know not what they have done since I came forth but before I was not to my knowledgâ— Col. Brigs calâ—ed of Mr. Coal saying Did you ere hear such a call as this did you hear it Coale Yea I heard part of it Col. Brig Didst not thou write a paper wherein was mentioned that if thou thinkâ—st to be saved by that Christ which dyed 〈◊〉 Jâ—â—usâ—lâ—m thou art 〈◊〉 Iam If 〈…〉 Christ neerer then Jerusalem I shall have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by hiâ— but I own no other Christ but that who witnessed 〈◊〉 goâ—d conâ—â—â—â—ion before Pontius Pâ—late which Christ I witnâ—â—s in 〈◊〉 Col. Brigs Wilt thou deny thy hand Iam I will not deny â—y hand if I may see it and I desire thaâ— I may have so much faâ—our that thaâ— paper may be kept as an evidence either with or against me 〈…〉 Petition being read wherein was something against quakiâ—g and trembling Just Pears How comes it to passe that people quake and tremble Iam The Scriptures witness the same condition in the Saints formerly as David Daniel Habakkuk and divers others Just Pears Did they fall down Iam. Yea some of them did so Coale David said all his bones were broken but they were whole Iam. So are these now Coale Moses trembled for he saw the face of God and all Israel Iam. Did all Israel see the face of God that crosseth the Scriptures Coale They saw his glory shall see the Lord with these eyes putting his fingers 〈…〉 Iam. They 〈◊〉 first be made spiritual he cannot be seen with 〈◊〉 eyes for 〈…〉 Spirit and no flesh can see God and live Coale That light by which I am justified is a created light Iam. That light by which I am justified is not a created light Coale That is true Just Pears To the Word What sayest thou to the Scriptures are they the Word of God Iam. They are a true Dediration of the word that was in them who spoke them forth Higginson Is there not a written Word Iam. Where readest thou in the Scriptures of a written Word The word is spiritual not seen with carnal eys but as for the Scriptures they are true and I witness them true in measure fulfilled in me as lar as I am grown up Just Pears Why dost thou distrub the Ministers in their publick worship Iam. I have not disturbed them in their publick worships Just Pears Why dost thou speak against Tiths which are allowed by the States Iam. I meddle not with the States I speak against them that are hirelings as they are hirelings those that are sent of Christ never took Fiths nor never sued any for wages Just Pears Dost thou think we are so beggerly as the Heathens that we cannot afford our Ministers maintenance We give the us it freely Iam. They are the Ministers of Christ who abide in the Doctrine of Christ Just Pears But who shall judge how shall we know them Iam. By their fruits you shall know them they that abids not in the Doctrine of Christ make it appear they are not the Ministers of Christ Just Pears That is true Accusations against To. Lawson by him answered THat Ioh. Lawson of Lancaster did affirm December the fourth 1652. Object That he was dead and rose again Answ Thou art a witness against him that is risen from the dead whereof the Apostles were witnesses Here thou shewest thy selfe to be a witness against the living and shewest thy self to be in the death and no Minister of Christ for the Ministers of Eph. 2. 1. Chost justified them which were raised from the dead Even when we were dead in trespasses and finnes hath he quickened us together with Christ and hath raised us together and hath made us to fit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Like wise reckon you also your selves to be dead indeed unto sinne but alive unto God through Jesus Christ for in that he died he died once unto sinne in that he lives be lives unto God Here thou Rom. 6. 10. 11. shewest thy selfe to be no Minister of Jesus Christ He that be lieveth hath passed from death to life because he lovet is his brotisren Here thou shewest thou dost not believe but art in the death and art in envy so thou shewest forth thy selfe to â—e 〈◊〉 and hatest thy brethren We know that we are translated from d ath unto life because we love our brethren be that loveth not his brother abideth in the death and there thou art Whosoever hateth his brother is a man-stayer and you know that no man stayer hath eternal life abiding in him 1 Ioh. 3. And 〈◊〉 is thy condition and here thou art an Anâ—ichrist in the world envying those who are raised from the dead and thou 〈◊〉 to bring them to the death whom God hath raised from the death Thou hast not seen thy selfe to be
the Prodigal ye Luk 15. 24. the Scripture faith This my Son was dead and is alive againe but thou art withput God in the world Object 2. That the day of judgement was past Answ Christ speaks The bruted reed he will not break the Mat. 12. 20. smoaking flax he will not quench till he bring forth judgment into victory Here thou shewest thy selâ—e to be ignorant of the Scripture but only as a near-sayer thou speakest and the outside of the Letter and not Christ and canst not witness him who beings forth judgement into victory but standest as a witness against them who witness the Scriptures fulfilled in them and Chri beinging forth judgement into victory and here thou shewest thy seâ—â—e to be unacquainted with Christ and thy nakedness and ignorance thou makest appear Object 3. That he had been in Hell and is now in Heaven Answ Here thou shewest thy selfe to be a witness against the holy men of God Jonah saith Ouâ— of the belly of Heâ—l cryed Jon. 2. I and thou heardest my voice and the Lord delivered him out of Hell and might nâ—t 〈◊〉 coâ—fâ—sâ—â— thou Hâ—pocrit For thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell neither will thou suffer thy Ps 16. 10. boly One to see corruption Thou hast delivered my son out of death bless the Lord my soul and all that is within me bless Ps 103. 1 2. his holy name How derest thou profess the Scriptures and the holy men of Gods conditions which were raised and brought our of death and witness the holy me lot Gods condition thou persecutest then O thou blind my pocrite I here thou shewest thou never lawest Holis mouth yet therefore thou never cryedst in Hell yet Object 4. That he was came to the infinite company of the first born and the spirits of just men made perfect Answ Paul said who was a Minster of God But ye are come to Mount Sion and to the City of the living God the Heavenly Heb. 12. 22. Ierusalem and to an innumerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first born which are written in heaven unto God the Iudge of all and to the spirits of just men made perfect Paul was a Minister of Iesus Christ by the will of God who encouraged the Saints who were brought hither but thou new perseeutest them and art a witnes against them that confess they are brought hither here thou shewest thou hast the spirit of error openly and art no Minister of God no not of the Letter but art against the Letter as it speaks persecuting them that have the life of it Object 5. That he had heard the last Trumpet sound and seen the new Ierusalem Answ Here thou shewest forth thy spite and venome If Iohn was here which saw the great City and holy Ierusalem descend out of Heaven from God Iohn said I saw the holy City New Ierusalem come down from God out of Heaven thou wouldst be a witness against him and thou shewest thy self in the generation that was ever persecutors slandere's opposers of the power of truth Where the same spirit is that was in Iohn he sees these things now as he did then but where the same spirit is not which thou shewest thou hast not but a contrary spirit that pesecutes them which do see those things but is as a dog to bite and devour Iohn saw the last Trumpet sound which shews thou art not come to the first Blow the trumpet in Sion sound Joel 2. 1. an allarum in my holy mountain let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble Here be thou a witness against thy self that thou art a witness against the truth and in the generation of them that ever slow the righteous â—eed Obj. 6. That John Lawson said he had seen God face to face Ans Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against them that know God and makest thy selfe manifest to be a Heathen 〈◊〉 all are Heathens â—â—at do not know God and no man knoweth God saving he that is born of God and who ere born of God are owners of the Truth and not against it but against the deceit Iacob said I have seen God face to face Isaiah Gen 32. Isa 6. 5. and Mine eyes have seen the King the Lord of Hasts Iob and I have heard of thee by the hearing of the care but now Job 42 5. â—â—ne eyes have seen thee And God spake to Moses face to Exod 33. 11. 〈◊〉 Here you may take your oaths and swear against Iacob â—gainst Isaiah against Iob and against Moses Where the false spirit is made manifest and who are born of God know God face to face as they did but they who are born of the flesh persecute them who are born of the spirit and there you shew your selves to be taking oaths and swearing against them that know God seeking to bring them to prison or bondage for you never read in all the Scriptures that the Prophets or the Apostles took their oaths against any which confessed they had seen God or put up a Petition to the Magistrates or witnessed it with oaths against any of them the Ministers of God said Swear not at all And here you shew your selves to be no Ministers of God but without God for the Ministers of God are to bring people to know God and to the Church in God and to the heavenly Jerusalem and to the innumerable company of Angels and Ministers to that which is in prison and in death but if any come to witnesse these things fulfilled you are witnesses against them with oaths and would bring the bodies of such into prison where the seed of God is raised out of prison within shewing your selves to be Antichrists persecuters of the power of Truth and beasts which shall make war against the Saints and against the Lamb but the Lamb shall get the victory Job cryed when the Lord hid his face and David cryed when the Lord hid his face and said O Lord I will seek thy face And here you shew you neither know his face nor have seen it but are persecuters of them who know it and seek it Praises praises be to the Lord for ever FINIS