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A29739	Two conferences between some of those that are called Separatists & Independents, concerning their different tenents one whereof, was appointed with Mr. Burton and a number of his church, and the other with Mr. John Goodwin and some of his church ... / now published by D.B. ...	Brown, David, fl. 1650-1652.; Chidley, Samuel.; Burton, Mr.; Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1650 (1650)	Wing B5016; ESTC R20226	18,640	27

a diabolicall uncleannesse upon the same God declares then that they are uncleane and calleth them sin and commandeth them to be pulled down and so we distinguish not in the first place but they make the places to be distinct diabolically by their dedication of those places to Idols and so the distinction is theirs not ours God himself made all things good at the first and made no Devill but made Angels and they made themselves Devills so he made all things good and made no Temple of Idolls or Temple of Devills so concerning men he professeth that he desireth not the death of a sixner and why will ye die O House of Israel to shew them that their damnation is of themselves and yet elsewhere he sheweth in respect of the evill of punishment there is no evill in the City but he doth it but they bring it upon themselves in the first place Therefore when they have made Idols or Idols Temples God owneth them not but in his just judgement punisheth them and commands them to be demolished and we would have them to be destroyed according to Gods Commands and the example of King Josiah 2. Chron. 34. and other holymen of God and therefore we are farre from upholding them yet hold them the Temples of Devills till they are pulled down It s impossible said Mr. Goodwin to prove that all the Temples in the Land are dedicated to Idolls but what if they were is it unlawfull to worship in them therefore 2. These Steeple-houses here were not dedicated to Devills but some to Christ others of them are dedicated to God himself even to the Trinity and most of them are dedicated to Saints c. 3. Christ came into the World to take away the distinction between places and places and to make all places alike and to deny this tendeth to deny that Christ Jesus is come into the world and to establish Jewishme 4. When he came into the world he dissolved the uncleannes which God had made and put upon the Creatures how much more then the uncleannesse which men had put on those places of theirs built of stone 5. By the same grounds we may refuse to worship God in any part of the land suppose this whole Kingdom be dedicated to St. George as France to St. Dennis all the houses dedicated all over the Kingdom as once its said to be wholly dedicated to St. George must we not worship God in the Kingdom because of that 6. In John the 4. its clear that Jesus Christ speaking to the woman of Samaria sheweth that all places are now alike and as there is no place unto which the worship of God is bound so there is no place though an Idolls Temple but that men may lawfully worship and serve God in for when the woman questioned saying v. 20. Our Fathers worshipped in this Mountain and ye say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship 21. Jesus said unto the woman believe me the houre cometh when ye shall neither in this Mountain nor yet at Jerusalem Worship the Father As if he should say the houre is coming that all places shall be left free for to worship in both this mountain and all others not one place above another but all alike no place more holy no place more unholy though in the Mountain of Samaria where was an Idolls Temple and so takes away the distinction of places which was under the Law And the reason why the Idolls Temples were prohibited under the Law was because God had branded them then 7. Upon the same ground that we must not worship in these places because dedicated by Idolaters it is not lawful for men to worship in their houses because Idolatry hath been committed theer Unto all which Mr. Chidley made answer as followeth 1. It is not impossible to prove these Temples in the Land which the Idolators frequent to be dedicated to Idolls And the way to try them is as a Thief or Murderer is tryed when he is arraigned before the Judge if he confesse it with his own mouth he is out of his own mouth condemned even so if the founders of these places have confessed out of their own mouthes that they have dedicated them to such uses as the Records of the Realm testifie the said places are condemned and ought to be executed but for these things I referre unto the records of the Realme and unto those plain and manifest proofes openly known formerly 2. Whereas it s alledged that they were not dedicated unto Devills I say Temples dedicated to Idolls are dedicated to Devils and so the Apostle Paul speaketh of the Idolls Sacrifices when he saith to the Corinthians 1 Cor. 10. 20. That the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to Devills and not to God and I would not that they should have fellowship with Devills The Scripture calleth Idolls by the name of Devills so the two calves which Jeroboam set up at Dan and Bethel were called Devills for in setting up and worshipping Idolls men set up and worship Devills therefore the Temples of Idolls are the Temples of Devills and not the Temples of God no more are these And whereas it is said some are dedicated to Christ what is their Christ their Christ is not he that standeth at the right hand of God but it is a peece of bread which they fall down and worship calling it their God and eat it when they have done O ridiculous horrible impiety worse then Jeroboams and they do not say it s a figure of the body of Christ and the wine a figure of the blood of Christ but say they it is really the Body and Blood of Christ and to this Christ do they dedicate their Temples which they call Christs Chruch And so their Trinity is not the eternall God the Father Son and Holy Spirit but their Trinity which they worship is the picture painted upon a wall of an old man sitting in that which they picture for heaven and there is the Picture of what they call the Son and the Holy Ghost they have also painted out in the likenesse of a Dove this is their Trinity which they fall down and worship and dedicate their Temples unto And admit that most of them were dedicated to Saints and Angels it is to be considered whether it be not Idolatry to dedicate any Places to Saints or Angels but what are your Saints or Angels which they dedicate their Temples unto new Images which they make of them that are no more like unto them then my Pictur is like Mr. Goodwins and they fall down before these Images saying St. Peter save me St. Paul save me c. These their impieties far exceed the Abominations of the Heathens and so are their Idols Temples abominable places and ought not to be worshipped in of the Saints Besides divers Temples in England are builded and dedicated to the Heathen Gods as well as these are to the Christian

say that in Jerusalem is the place of worship He doth not say a place but the place whereby it appeareth that her question was about the place where men ought to worship whether it was at that Mountain or at Jerusalem for then God bound his publick worship to one place Now Jesus said unto her Woman believe me the houre cometh when ye shall neither in this Mountain nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father Now Christ by this speech doth not allow them to worship in Idols Temples though in a sence all places are free to do it all places of Gods Creation but places of mens limitation erection and dedication to Idols ought to be pulled down and this by way of application may appeare in the 22. and 23. verses of the same Chapter where Christ dealeth plainly with her saying Ye worship ye know not what we know what we worship for salvation is of Jewes but the houre cometh and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth for the Father seeketh such to worship him As if he should say think not that though the time be that the true worshippers shall not be limitted to worship in a place that therefore this is any justification of you Samaritans who worship in Idols Temples and worship Idols Ye worship you know not what we know saith he what we worship and alleageth this reason for salvation is of the Jewes intimating that salvation was not of the Samaritans who worshipped Idols and in Idols Temples so that if they would have salvation they must turn from such vanities Therefore he would have them to worship the Father in spirit and truth Now the spirit and truth are distinct though all one in purity The spirit is the spirit of God and the truth is the word of God as it is written Thy word is truth now the word of truth doth speak against Idols Temples and therefore we are not to worship God in Idols Temples but in spirit and truth The spirit of God is a pure spirit but Idols and Idols Temples are unclean and diabolicall and contrary to the nature of the spirit the Father seeketh such to worship him that worship him in spirit and truth and therefore if you would be found of him worship not in Idols Temples but in spirit and truth And by all this Scripture here is not the least colour for but rather against Idols Temples Christ never shed his blood to uphold and purge Idols Temples from their diabolicall uncleannesse which uncleanness proceeded not from any institution of God but from the Devill And whereas it is said that the reason why Idols Temples were prohibited under the Law was because God had branded them then Mr. Chidley answered That they made them Idols Temples God branded them and to this day that brand is not taken off them but remaineth still upon them The blood of Christ hath not cleansed them the brand is still upon them as well as upon the Idols themselves to this day Therefore as the Saints are to keep themselves from Idols so are they to keep themselves from worshipping in Idols Temples because the brand is upon them Neither do we say that a place is an Idols Temple because Idolatry is committed there as if a Papist should crosse himself and fall down and worship in his Idolatrous manner in this or in another mans house this doth not make it an Idols Temple but if he build and dedicate and consecrate a place of his own proper goods to an Idole this is now an Idolatrous place and God in the time of the Law commanded Israel to pluck down all the Idolatrous high places but not all the houses therefore the houses may stand when the high places are quite pluckt down Then Mr. Goodwin returned to his former sence of that place in the 4. of John but it was denied that Jesus Christ doth in the least allow or countenance the woman of Samaria or any Samaritan or any Idolater else or any man whatever to worship in Idols Temples Then Mr. Goodwin to back it returned to the first Scripture in 1 Tim. 2. 10. concerning the word every where but it was told him that that was restrained by God himself and that by every where is meant all places of Gods Creation but not of Mans limitation and dedication to an Idol and therefore not the Temple of Samaria as he alleaged from John 4. which saith The houre cometh when ye shall neither at this Mountain nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father Then said Mr. Goodwin it is very clear from Iohn 4. Christs speech to the woman of Samaria that he came to loose the bands wherewith men were bound to come to worship at the Temple of Jerusalem and in saying neither at this Mountain nor yet at Jerusalem he doth not justifie the worship in the one place more then the other And if by spirit you meane the directions of the spirit its true and by the spirit may be meant the spirit of a man as Paul saith whom I serve in my spirit To which Mr. Chidley answered That Christ came to loose the bands which tyed men to the Temple of Jerusalem is true but it followeth not therefore that he hath left us free to worship in Idols Temples he justified the worship in his own Temple but not in Idols Temples neither doth the saying of Christ import any such thing Christ saith afterwards to the woman ye worship ye know not what as if he should say do not think that I do in the least justifie your practises or your abominable Idols or Idols Temples because I have said neither at this Mountain nor at Jerusalem shall ye worship the Father but I would have you know that ye Samaritans worship ye know not what we Jewes know what we worship for salvation is not of you Samaritans but of the Jewes and Christ sheweth that the Father must be worshipped in spirit and truth now there is not the least word of truth to justifie worshipping in the Idols Temples And concerning the Allegations that by the spirit is to be understood the directions thereof and is meant of a Mans spirit and the truth therein as Paul said God whom I serve in my spirit Mr. Chidley answered I grant that we are to serve God by the directions of his spirit and that is by his holy word which directeth us not to worship in Idols Temples but sheweth that they are sin and to be quite pulled down And though Paul saith he served God in his spirit it may be taken that he served God who was in his spirit for God is said to dwell in the Saints by his spirit and the Saints are exhorted to pray in the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of God who directeth us by his word of truth to which we are left for direction which doth not allow any to worship him in Idols Temples and therefore this place in John 4. 22.