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A10240 A rejoynder unto William Malone's reply to the first article Wherein the founders of unwritten traditions are confounded, out of the sure foundation of Scripture, and the true tradition of the Church. By Roger Puttocke, minister of Gods word at Novan. Puttock, Roger. 1632 (1632) STC 20520; ESTC S100925 167,226 214

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in_o those_o place_n cite_v by_o martin_n the_o translator_n have_v not_o english_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tradition_n d._n fulk_n who_o have_v discover_v martin_n discovery_n to_o be_v a_o heap_n of_o senseless_a cavillation_n confess_v the_o same_o this_o i_o observe_v to_o free_v that_o learned_a dr_n lie_n dr_n yet_o m._n fulk_n say_v it_o be_v find_v there_o if_o he_o give_v not_o we_o a_o instance_n let_v he_o give_v himself_o the_o lie_n from_o this_o marginal_a note_n in_o which_o set_v aside_o all_o good_a manner_n the_o he_o be_v give_v he_o he_o have_v answer_v for_o himself_o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o martin_n discovery_n in_o these_o word_n i_o say_v there_o be_v no_o law_n nor_o statute_n make_v against_o it_o but_o the_o word_n tradition_n may_v be_v use_v by_o our_o translator_n this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o if_o i_o shall_v say_v papist_n may_v be_v suffer_v to_o live_v as_o good_a subject_n not_o