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A90803 A relation of a dispute of baptisme of infants of Christians at Holgate in the county of Salop, Maii. 30. 1650. betwixt P. Panter, Dr. in Divinitie, rector of the place, and Mr. Brown, preacher to the Anabaptists in that circuit. Panter, P.; Brown, Mr. 1650 (1650) Wing P274A; ESTC R43711 11,586 16

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