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A65861 The dipper plung'd, or, Thomas Hicks his feigned dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, proved, an unchristian forgery consisting of self-contradictions, and abuses against the truth, and people called Quakers : wherein Tho. Hicks hath seconded (though in envy exceeded) his brother Henry Grigg, in his babylonish pamphlet, stiled, Light from the sun of righteousness : howbeit, they have both notoriously contradicted themselves, and each other, as is hereby evinced / by G.W. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1672 (1672) Wing W1923; ESTC R20065 11,473 20

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and Spiritual Ends which the Scripture doth Alas whereto doth the Best of Men's Actions naturally tend but to Swell them with Pride and Conceit of themselves p. 37. T. H. Contrad The Heathen in many things with Respect to Morral Goodness there was something Commendable in them The Jews had a Light in them by which they might acknowledge God ought to be Worshipped contradicted again yet that Light could not direct them how that Worship should be performed so as to Please Him pag. 36 37. Anim. In the first he puts Corrupt Proud Nature for the Light in the next Contradiction the Light is Commendable for Morral Goodness in the last he Opposeth the Sufficiency of the Living Word Good Spirit or Light which was given to the Jews and this accuseth Moses and the Prophets with directing them to an Insufficient Light See Deut. 30.14 Neb. 9.20 Isa. 2.5 chap. 63.10 T. H. We Oppose not the Scriptures to the Holy Spirit but to the Light Within p. 39. which Opposing of theirs is thus explained The Scriptures are the only Rule of Faith and Practice the Light Within to be Rejected T. H. Contrad Neither will this Common Light rise above its Source Nature Vse and End wherefore Affront no more the Grace and Wisdom of God in Superadding more p. 37. Anim. See how this Man 's Plung'd One while he is setting the Scriptures in Opposition to the Light Within another while the Degree of it is so far from being to be Rejected that 't is to have more Added to which granting it follows that the Addition of more must come through the Improvement of the Less Degree and Degrees do not vary the Nature or Kind T. H. We see that the Light in one man teacheth one thing and the Light in another a direct Contrary so that there can be no certainty of Truth or Error Sin or Duty by this for that which is Sin to one man is and may be Duty to another and consequently Sin is nothing page 42. Answ. Now he renders the Light within Men so commended before as no Real Light but as Corrupt and Variable as the Erroneous Minds of Men and so Blasphemously p●ts Dark●ess for Light But how agrees this with his saying Christ is the Life and Light of Men p. 22. no Disparagement to the Light Within each Degree of Light is Serviceable to its End p. 36. we being Accountable for every Dispensation of Light according to its kind p. 13. But if there be no such thing as a Real Light to Distinguish between Sin and Duty what should they be Accountable for What Atheistical Bedlam Work has this T. Hicks made against the Light Within H. Grigg I affirm That Jesus Christ is a Man consisting of Flesh and Bone p. 30 31. Humane p. 33. T. Hicks Contrad The Son took Flesh upon him p. 35. The Word took Flesh p. 47. The Father did prepare Him a Body p. 83. Anim. There 's no small difference between Consisting of Humane Flesh and Bone and his T●king Flesh or having a Body Prepared for him As for the Son of God to consist of such a Body implies He was not before that Body but to say the Father did prepare him a Body implies That he was before and so he was and is Ascended Up where he was before Glorified with the Father c. John 6.62 chap. 17.5 Whilst T. H. expects to be Perfectly Freed from Sin in Heaven after Death p. 50. and yet questions Whether it shall be the Priviledge of any on this side Death p. 55. He is very Uncertain in his Opposing the Doctrine of Perfection as Attainable in this Life to be sure his Sinful Course here is not the Way to Heaven hereafter neither doth his Rehearsal of Personal Mistakes and Failings in Motions or Actions if granted against several Persons divers of whom I believe he wrongeth p. 26 27 28 29 52. overthrow immediate Revelation or the Doctrine of Perfection nor yet prove the Light of Christ within so Uncertain as to teach one man one thing and another a direct contrary nor yet to shew no certainty of Truth or Error Sin or Duty as Erroneously he represents it p. 42. As it is his Iniquity to Reflect upon a People in general from the Failings of some so he sheweth himself a Silly Logition to Reflect upon Principles by Personal Weaknesses though this is his kind of Logick whilst he sleights Revelation and for an Instance against it tells us of a Revelation that came from Paul Hobson who on purpose to try them spake through a Trunk yet could they not distinguish his Voice from the Immediate Voice of God p. 27. And who was this Paul Hobson Was he not an Eminent Baptist Preacher and Brother of these Men 'T is true we have heard that he served a Poor Shatter'd Whimsical Man as his Brother T.H. relates viz. That he Feigned a Voice and called as from God through a Trunk and so Deceived this Silly Man Do you think that this adds any thing to the Credit of the Baptists Cause thus to publish boastingly their Brother's Wickedness And which was Worse think you Paul Hobson the Deceiver or the Person whom he Deceived Is this a Valid Argument against Revelation And would T.H. and his Brother Will. Kiffin take it well if I should make their Brethren's Miscarriages and their Brother Hobson's said Wickedness an Argument against them as never Called of God either to Preach Dip or Plunge people in Water Judge Reader how Silly they are in these their Attempts and Work against Us. Here follows some of Thomas Hicks's Chief Assertions and Phraises viz. T.H. I. That the Light in every man is a Creature p. 6. No more then a meer Creature p. 46. Answ. Contrary to plain Scripture which saith In him was Life and the Life was the Light of Men John 1.4 This Life and Light of Christ is Divine and Increated T. H. II. Jesus Christ God Man a Person without thee p. 9. Answ. This is not Scripture Language but the Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians who profess a Personal God denying him to be an Infinite Spirit T.H. III. The Scriptures are the Word of God the Rule of Faith and Practice p. 17. Answ. Do not these men count the Scriptures the great Rule of Speaking also Then by what Rule must we believe that the Scriptures are the only Rule of Faith and Practice while they no where do call themselves so But Christ the Word the Way the Truth and the Life c. whose Divine Light being the Rule of the Understanding is therefore the Rule of Faith and Sound Judgment which only can truly open the Scriptures and bring man to the right Use and End of them T. H. IV. The Bible is the Means of our Knowing God p. 41. Answ. He Idolatrously sets up the Bible in the place of Christ For no man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son Reveals him Mat. 11.27 T. H. V. There
THE Dipper Plung'd OR Thomas Hicks his Feigned Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Proved An Unchristian Forgery Consisting Of Self-Contradictions and Abuses against the Truth and People called QUAKERS Wherein Tho. Hicks hath Seconded though in Envy Exceeded his Brother Henry Grigg in his Babylonish Pamphlet stiled Light from the Sun of Righteousness Howbeit they have both Notoriously Contradicted themselves and each other as is hereby Evinced BY G. W. Professing Themselves to be Wise they became Fools Rom. 1.22 Printed in the Year 1672. Unprejudiced Reader WHereas T. Hicks reputed an Eminent Brother of Wil. Kiffin's hath lately divulg'd his Pamphlet which we have been Threatned with for a considerable Time before stiled A Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker his thereby not only Deceitfully feigning himself a Christian but falsly insinuating against the Quakers so called as being no Christians is not so strange or uncouth a Forgery since the Baptists Malice is so high against them as while he is presenting the world with a Quaker with his Method and manner of Reasoning he is only a Quaker of his own making and forming to speak as he pleaseth for his own Corrupt Ends and Advantage those Impertinencies and Falshoods never utter'd by any Real Quaker Tho. Hicks's said Dialogue is a meer Malicious Forgery and Fiction stuff'd with Manifest Slanders and Abuses both against Persons and Principles perverting them and their words In many things Personating the Quakers with his own Ridiculous Falshoods Consequences together with scornful Canting Language and Ridiculous Contradictions and Inconsistencies which surely will add no Credit to the Baptists Cause nor Convict others Whilst he pretends to act a Christian and a Quaker as opposit he Antickly Abuses Christianity and Scoffs at the Light and Life of Religion who when he Scurrilously acts a Quaker he himself is that Nonsensical Quaker who hath designedly forg'd his Dialogue to his own Fancy so as not to puzzle himself with Problemes to be s●ure This Feign'd though Out-side Dipt Christian-Quaker while he feigns his Opposer and frames the Contest hee 'l have it after his own Fashion that he may with Contempt and Insulting deal with all Objections and Questions of his own coyning How deeply soever this man be Outwardly Plung'd hee 's yet Unchristened and all the Water in Thames will not Wash his Defiled Conscience But for these Dippers and Particular Electioners to Revile and Belye their Neighbours in Print in this Time of Liberty is no New or Strange Thing whilst upon their Partial Opinion of Election they believe themselves secure from the Reward of Lyars Rev. 21.8 by their Conceited Personal Election Unchangeably Design'd from Eternity in which they viz. Baptists and their Followers must only be the Sharers if all that Oppose their Dipping be Accurst according to their old Brother Hen. Grigg's Fatal Sentence in his Book against his Sister p. 24. This their partial Conceit of an Eternal Personal Election of Themselves and of but very Few if any besides and Blasphemously Imagining such severe Partiality against God as that from all Eternity he has Particularly Design'd either the Reprobation or Preterition of the Greatest Part of Mankind thereby leaving them to Inevitable Destruction this Sad Sentence is one main Ground of these Men's Inveighing so eagerly against the General Extent of Saving Grace to all Mankind and of their Opposing the Sufficiency of the True Light in all men which God hath freely given them But how Consistent they are in their Work herein I refer to the Impartial Reader to judge of in what ●ollows in Tho. Hicks's own words Collected and Cited out of his said Dialogue and briefly Animadvertized Thomas Hicks his Assertions Contradicted by the same Tho. Hicks himself HE pretends to Query Not to Cavil but to understand the Truth and if Demonstrated to be very willing to Subscribe to it page 2. But in Contradiction he saith All I intend is only th● Conviction and Recovery p. 10. He pretends the Conviction of Others whilst he wants it and is to seek for a Right Understanding for himself Tho. Hicks saith Notwithstanding thy most Diligent Attendance to the Light in thee That which thou call'st the Light in thee hath in many things Mis●guided thee p. 3. Tho. Hicks in Contradiction saith I Appeal to the Light in thee I grant it ought to be Obeyed p. 7. Animadversion See how palpably he Contradicts himself as much as to say It is a Mis-Guiding Light and yet it is such a True Rule as to be Appealed to and Obeyed T. H. That which any of you have said viz. concerning the Light within every man hath been no more then what the Apostle speaks of the Man of Sin 2 Thes. 2.9 and what may as well prove Mahomet to be the True Christ as the Light in you p. 11 12. T. H. Contrad How could you call the Light within Christ if some Scriptures had not mention'd Christ in you and that he is the Life and Light of Men the Scriptures must be your Rule for this pag 22. Anim. Gross Contradiction I●s Blasphemy to Compare Chri●t to th● M●n of ●in or Him or his Life which is the Light of Men to Ma●o●et Th●t 〈◊〉 Ob●y the Commands of the Living Ete●nal Word in us In Answer to this T. Hicks saith It s no other then a meer Mystical Romance p. 10. T. H. Contrad It will be our Wisdom yea our Duty not only to attend to the Light Within c. p. 13. Anim. Thou T. H. hast acted the Prophane Romancer and Irreligious Miscreant against the Light of Christ Within which yet thou art made to confess it in part at least our Duty to attend to it T. H. The Scriptures are the Word of God and the Rule of Faith pag. 17. T. H. Contrad True the Sayings of the Devil and Wicked Men are part of God's History God hath by the Holy Pen-Men given us this Relation of the Words of the Devil and Wicked Men p. 18. Anim. The Word of God and the Words of the Devil are not the same to be sure Christ is the Word the Scriptures are Writings containing words of God and Holy Men. T.H. The Word of God the Scriptures are the Sword of the Spirit p. 18 87. the Rule of Faith and Practice to Obliege your Faith and Practice The Grounds of Faith and Hope p. 19. T. H. Contrad This Rule must be the Will of God Revealed to us for 't is the Will of God which is the Formal Reason of the Obligation The Will of God being the Ground of the Creation of Men and Angels therefore as it is the Ground of their Being it must be the Rule of their Acting p. 31. Anim. But the Scriptures were neither the Ground of the Creation nor of the Being of either Men or Angels but the Eternal Powerful Will and Word of God which Only and Effectually Obligeth the Soul to Him T. H. I will suppose thee to be a Holy Man
The Best Thing in thee cannot be the Rule p. 20. Answ. A Gross Error The Spirit of God can be the Rule both in Power and Living Instruction and that Above the Scriptures for it can both Lead into all Truth and bring forth Living Fruits and Acceptable Duty to God T. H. All things necessary to be Believed and Practiced with Respect to Eternal Life is contained in these Holy Scriptures and in no other Record in the World either without or within Men p. 20. Answ. Yet thou hast confest Christ in you and the Spirit of God p. 21 22. See how thou art in Confusion Christ contains more then the Scriptures for in him are all the Hidden Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge But this thy Undervaluing Christ and his Light Within and the Spirit 's sufficiency is plainly Contradicted in what follows T. H. Indeed 't is not to be Deny'd but that Man was alwayes under an Obligation of a Rule that God's Soveraignity over him and his Inferiority unto God might be acknowledged p. 31. Answ. By MAN must be understood Mankind in general or else thou Dissemblest If then man was alwayes under such an Obligation God hath afforded that Light or Rule to all Men even to those Nations that have not the Scriptures which is sufficient to Direct them to himself and this Concession destroys much of thy Work T. H. That of God in my Conscience is not sufficient meerly of it self to Direct me in those things needful to be Known Believed and Practiced p. 21. T. H. Contrad Some Scriptures mentioned Christ in you p. 22. Anim. Is not Christ Sufficient What Blasphemous Opposition against Christ is this man guilty of THOMAS HICKS his Variations about the Scriptures and the Rule He varies from the Scriptures being the Rule of Faith and Practice unto Christians p. 17 19. The Grounds of our Faith and Hope p. 19. which the Scriptures do no where assert To the Scriptures being a Rule p. 17 21 24. And then to go round again The Mind of God contain'd therein p. 20. The Will of God manifest in this Written Word p 38 39. And then in Flat Contradiction to the Scriptures being the Rule of Faith he sayes This Rule must be the Will of God which was the Ground of the Creation and Being of Men and Angels p. 31. Reader What Harmony can be found in this Man's Scribling T. H. There is an utter Insufficiency in this meer Light Within to Direct us the Right Way of Worshipping the True God This is manifest from the great Loss that the Wisest amongst the Heathen have been and still are under about this very thing p. 35 36. T.H. Contrad Christ is the Life and Light of Men p. 22. Man was alwayes under the Obligation of a Rule that God's Soveraignity and his Inferiority unto God might be Acknowledged page 31. as before Anim. What thinkst thou Will. Kiffin Doth thy Brother Hicks credit your Cause in these manifest Contradictions One while to charge such utter Insufficiency upon the Light Within another while Christ is the Life and Light of men this I urge the oftener upon him that he and his Brethren may see his Self-contradiction Is not Christ ●ufficient And why must the Wisest of the Heathen be Excluded from the Sufficiency of such an Obligation or Rule as Man was always under Are they No Men and have they no Souls to be Saved or Must they all be Damned for Want of the Scriptures who have them not if they improve so much Light as God hath given them see Acts 10.34 Rom. 2.10 11. This is not yet Answer'd by you Though the Cru●l Partiality that is in your Electionary Opinion appears plainly against the Unive●sal Light or Grace of God to Mankind I cannot but believe that div●●s of the Heathen who were Sincere to God were both more Morral and more Pious and therefore more in the Life of Christianity then many of you Baptist Preachers are Did Christ Dye for all men or Is he a Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World And hath not God afforded that Light or Grace to all that 's able to convey or discover the Vertue of his Blood and Spiritual Effects of his Sacrifice to Mankind How Narrow and Partial are they who Deny this T. H. What Intollerable Pride and Arrogancy have you arived to and all this thy following the Light Within improving it to the Subverting and Annihilating the Covenant of Grace p. 38. H. Grigg I really believe That the Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word hath given Light or Enlightened all Men and Women that come into the World pag. 8. of his Book stiled Light from the Sun Anim. See here how plainly one Brother Contradicts another Can it be less then Blasphemy to judge That following the Light of the Eternal Word doth either produce such Pride Subvert or Annihilate the Covenant of Grace Is not this to make the Light of Christ Oppose Christ T. H. Surely this Light instead of Directing what you do in a way of Subserviency to the Ends of this Covenant doth directly Oppose it is in that so far from being a Sufficient Rule that it ought to be Rejected pag. 38. T. H. Contrad Yet all this is no Disparagement to the Light Within to say That God doth make any thing more known of his Will then is or can be known by this meer Light Within for it is but to say that Each Degree of Light is Serviceable to its End p. 36. Anim. By this then the Difference is only about the Degrees of the Light and not about the Nature and Property of it and then if each Degree be Serviceable to its End as no Doubt it is what Blasphemous Contradiction is it to say That any Degree of this Light of Christ as the Eternal Word either doth directly Oppose this Covenant which is Christ or is to be Rejected Doth the Light of Christ Oppose Christ What thinkest thou William Kiffin Hath not thy Brother Hicks shewn Intollerable Pride Madness and his Gross Darkness against this Light Within Canst not see his Self-Confutation herein Why wouldst thou suffer such a Contradictory Pamphlet as this thy Brother's Dialogue to be divulged H. Grigg The great Darkness of these Men who cry up Light and Power Within this Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist p. 31. T. Hicks Contrad I acknowledge there is something Within that Checks for many Evils and Excites to many Good Things and that I ought to Shun those Evils and do that Good p. 8. Anim. See here again the Contradiction that 's between these two Brothers Can that be a Wile of Satan which thus Checks for Evil and Excites to Good Oh! that these men would Obey it that they might be better composed in their Minds and not remain in this Bedlam frame of spirit for as yet one acts the Bedlam the one while and the other another while T. H. This Light Within directs not our Actions to those Holy