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A04458 An apologie, or aunswer in defence of the Church of England concerninge the state of religion vsed in the same. Newly set forth in Latin, and nowe translated into Englishe.; Apologia Ecclesiae Anglicanae. English Jewel, John, 1522-1571.; Parker, Matthew, 1504-1575. 1562 (1562) STC 14590; ESTC S107763 88,955 140

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out by the holy and canonical Scriptures and y t which can not abide the trial of thē is not y e Church Yet these men I can not tell howe whether it be of reuerence or of cōscience or for dispayre of the victory doe alwayes abhorre and flee Gods worde euen as a thief dothe the gallous Nother is it any maruell at al. For like as it is sayde of the golde worme that in the ioyce of Balsme an ointment to all other respectes of moste sweete and delicate sauour he is sone dispatched and killed so they in Gods worde doe see theyr cause as it were in poyson to be vtterly dispatched destroyed Wherefore to the intent they might the more easily driue the people from the scriptures as from a moste daungerous and a hurtful thing the whiche neuerthelesse our sauiour Iesus Christ did not only vse in al his cōmon talke but also at the laste sealed them with his bloud thei ar wont to cal thē a colde an vncertaine an vnprofitable a dumme a killing a dead lettre Which vnto vs semeth to be asmuche as thoe they had sayd they be no scriptures at all But they sticke not to adde thereunto a similitude not al together of the beste making that thei be in maner as it were a nose of waxe that maye be fashioned and turned into all manner of shapes and serue euery mans purpose Trowe ye the Pope is ignorant that these thinges ar spoken euen by his owne derelinges Or dothe he not vnderstande that he hath such Champions Let him heare therefore how deuoutly how godly one Hosius writeth of this matter a Poloniane as he him self sayth a Byshop doutles an eloquent man not vnlearned and a very earnest and stoute defender of his cause He wil maruel I suppose that any man fearyng God coulde other thynke so wickedly of those wordes whiche he knoweth to haue proceded from the mouthe of God or write so slaunderously and that specially in suche sorte as that he would not haue it to be taken for his own iudgement alone but as the cōmon iudgement of them all In deede I doe not denie but he dothe dissemble his owne personne doth so propoūde the matter as thoe not he nor mē of his sorte but y e heretikes called Zuenkfeldians did speake after y t māner We sayth he as touchyng y e very scriptures wherof we see brought in now a daies so many interpretatiōs not only diuerse amōgst them self but also cōtrary one to an other wil bidde Away with thē And wil rather heare God speake then turne our selfs towardes these beggerly elementes in them repose y e hope of our saluatiō It is not requisit to be cūning in the lawe in y e scriptures but to be taught of God It is but vaine labour y t which is bestowed vpō y e scripture for y e scripture is a creature and a certain beggerly elemēt These be y e wordes of Nosius writē no doubt w t the same spirite minde wherw t Montanus in time paste Marcion did speake of whome it is sayd y t they were wōte to say at what time they would contemptuously reiect the holy scriptures that they knewe many bothe moe better thinges then euer other Christ or his Apostles did knowe What shall I saye therefore in this pointe O ye pillers of Religion o ye prelates of the Church of Christ is this the reuerence that you giue vnto Gods worde Dare you so deale with the holy Scriptures the whiche S. Paule sayth ar deliuered vnto vs by inspiraciō from God the whiche God hath adorned and set forth with so many miracles in the which the most euident footesteppes of Christes passage ar certainely imprynted whiche all the holy fathers whiche the Apostles whiche the Angels whiche Christe him selfe the sonne of God when neede required did call to witnes Dare you I say abide away with thē as though they were vnworthy to be hearde of you Is not this to commaunde God him self whoe most euidently speketh vnto you in the scriptures to kepe silence or will you call that worde by the whiche onely as S. Paule saythe we ar reconciled vnto God and whiche Dauid saith is holy and pure and shall endure for euer by the name onely of a beggerly and a dead element or will you saye that to bestowe our labour about that thing whiche Christe commaunded vs diligently to serche and alwayes to haue before our eyes is a vayne labor and to none effect And that Christ and the Apostles what time they did exhorte the people to the redyng of the holy scriptures that out of them thei might become plentifull in all wisdome and knowlege did goe about to abuse menne with lies It is no meruaile thoe these men despise vs and all that we doe or say whiche make so litle accounte of God him self and of his moste holy worde Yet was it but a folish deuise of them in seking to hurte vs to commit so haynous an iniurie agaynst the worde of God But Hosius will crie out we doe him iniurie and that these be not his but Zuinkfeldius wordes But what if Zuenkfeldius also crie that they be not his but Hosius wordes For wher did Zuinkfelde euer write thē or if he did write them and Nosius iudged them to be wicked why did he not at y e least speake one worde to cōfute them how so euer the matter goe Althoe peraduēture Hosius wil not allow the wordes yet he dothe not disallow the meanyng For in all controuersies almost and namely touchyng the vse of the holy cōmunion vnder bothe kindes although Christes wordes be most plaine yet he cōtemptuously reiecteth them as colde and dead elementes and woulde haue vs beleue certain newe deuises prescribed by the Church and certain reuelations I know not what of the holy ghost And Albert Pighius saieth we ought not to beleue the wordes of the scripture althoe thei were moste manifest vnlesse the same be allowed by the interpretation and authoritie of the Churche Neuerthelesse as though this were but a smal matter they sticke not also to burne vp y e sacred scriptures as in time paste wicked kyng Aza did or as Antiochus or Maximinus did and these they ar wonte to cal heretikes bookes wherein they seeme to intende the same practise whiche Herode in time paste for the mayntenāce of his estate went about in Iury. For he wheras he was an Edomite a very straunger to the stocke and kinred of the Iewes and neuerthelesse couetid to be taken for a Iewe to the intent he might the rather establish for him and his posteritie his kingdome ouer thē the which he had before obtained at the handes of Augustus themperour commaunded all their enrolments of petigrees whiche euen from the time of Abrahā vnto that daye had bene diligentlie kepte amongest their recordes and by the which it might with out al error easily be
perceaued out of what kinred euery man was descendid to be burned and vtterly to be defaced onely to this ende that nothing hereafter should remayne in recorde wherby it might appeare that he were a stranger Euen so doe these men in all pointes when as bicause they would haue all their deuises to be had in as great price as though they had bene deliuered from the Apostels or from Christe leaste that any thyng should at any time remayne that might reproue such dreames and lies other they burne the holy scriptures or craftely conueye them from the people Chrysostome surely writeth very well and agaynst the endeuour of these men excedyng aptly Heretikes sayth he shut vp the gates agaynst the truthe for they know right well if they be open the Churche shall not be on theyr side And Theophylacte The worde of God saythe he is the lanterne of light whereby the thief is espied And Tertullian sayth The holy scripture doth trie out the guyles theftes of heretikes For why doe thei hyde why doe they kepe vnder couert that gospel which Christ would haue to sounde from the toppes of houses Why doe they conuey y t light vnder a busshel whiche ought to stande vpon the candelstike why doe thei repose their trust rather in the blindnes ignorāce of the vnskilful multitude than in the goodnes of their cause Doe they suppose that theyr sleyghts be not yet espied or that they can nowe as thoe they had Gyges ring walke inuisible Assure your selfe now all menne seeth well inough what is within that same storeboxe of the Popes bosome euen this thing onely maye be a good argument y t they deale not vprightly and truely That cause ought of right to be suspected that flyeth the triall light For he that doeth euil as Christ saith seketh after darkenes and hateth the light A cleare cōsciēce offereth him self willingly to the shew that those workes whiche doe procede from God maye be seene They ar not so vtterly blinde but that they see this wel inough that if the scriptures haue the vpper hāde their kingdome is by and by ouerthrowen and that like as it is sayd of the Idols of the Gētyles frō whome in old time they fetched all oracles answers that at the presence of Christe when he came into the world they sodenly became dumme euen so now also at the sight of the gospel al theyr sleightes by and by fall headlong to the grounde For Antichrist is not ouerthrowē but by the clearnesse of Christes commyng We flee not as these menne are wonte to doe to the fyre but to the scriptures nor we doe not besege them with the sworde but with the worde of God thereby as Tertullian sayth we doe nurrish our fayth thereby we doe rayse vp our hope thereby we doe establish our assurāce For we know that the gospel of Iesus Christ is the powre of God vnto saluation and that in hit is euerlasting life And therfore we giue no eare according as S. Paule doth admonish vs no not to an Angel of God cōming from heauē in case he goe about to withdrawe vs frō any parte of this doctrine No as y e right holy mā Iustinus martyr sayth of him self We wold not beleue God himself in case he would teach vs an other gospel For where as these mē doe shake of y e scriptures as things y t cā not speake ar good for nothing and appeale rather vnto God himselfe speaking in the Church in councels y t is to say to their owne fansies opiniōs y t is bothe a very uncertain way to finde out the truth very ful of daunger somwhat like y e heathenysh māner of illudynge the people w t their furious inspirations such a waye as of the holy fathers was neuer approued Chrysostome saythe y t ofte times there be many that bragge of the holy ghoste but certainely sayth he they y t speake of their owne heades doe vntruly boaste thē selfe to haue the spirit of God For like as Christe sayeth he what time he spake out of the lawe and the Prophetes denied that he spake of him self euē so nowe if any other thyng but the gospell be enforced vpon vs vnder the name of the holy ghost we ought not to beleue it for as Christ is the fulfilling of the law the Prophetes so is the Spirite the fulfillyng of the gospell these be the wordes of S. Chrysostome But these menne although they haue not the holy scriptures yet peraduēture they haue the auncient doctors and holy fathers For in this they haue alwayes made their vaunt that all antiquite and the vniuersall consent of al ages was on their side Againe that al our opiniōs ar newe and grene and neuer hearde of before these fewe yeres nowe laste paste Doubtles there is nothing can be spoken of greater weight against the religion of God then when it is accused of noueltie for like as in God him self so in his religion there ought to be nothyng newe neuerthelesse we can not tel how it cometh to passe that from the beginning of the world we haue alwaies seene it in experiēce that as oftē as God wolde as it were kindle and disclose his truth vnto men althoe it were of it self not onely most aunciēt but also euerlastyng yet of wicked men and of such as were enemies therunto it was called grene and newe stuffe A man that wicked bloudy man onely to brynge the Iewes into hatered accused them to the king Assuerus after this sorte Thou haste here saieth he O king a people which in vsing certain newe lawes ar agaynst al thy lawes stobberne and rebellious Paule also at Athens so sone as he beganne to teache and to set forth the gospel was reported to be a setter forth of new goddes that is to say of newe religion And may we not saye they learne of the what māner of new doctrine is this And Celsus what time he wrote of purpose against Christ to the intent that after a more contemptuous māner he might scoffe out the Gospel with a slaunder of nouelty Hath God saith he now at the length after so many ages called himself to so late a rememberance Eusebius saith also that Christiā religion euen from the beginning was called in reproche 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is to saye new and strange Euen after the same sorte these men doe condemne all things that we doe allow for new and straunge their owne thinges againe whatsoeuer they be they will haue them to be commended as moste auncient And lyke as Necromanciers and Witches at this day such as haue to doe with Deuils are wont to say that thei haue their bookes and all their sacred hidd misteries from Athanasius from Cyprian from Moises from Abel from Adam and also from Raphael the Archangel to the intent that that skil which had proceded frō such authors and inuentours might be
they to consider howe iuste the cause of our departing is For in case they wil saye it is lawefull for thee by no means to departe from that fellowship wherein thou haste ben brought vp Thus they maye easily in oure personnes cōdemne both the Prophetes and the Apostles and also Christe him self For why doe they not likewise finde fawte at this that Loth departed from Sodome Abraham out of Calde the Hebrewes out of Egypte Christ from the Iewes Paule from the Pharisees For onlesse there maye be some iuste cause of suche departynges we see not why they also maye not in like sorte be accused as factious and seditious men Nowe if we ought to be condemned for heretikes bycause we doe not al thinges whiche these menne doe commaunde vs whoe I praye you or what maner of men shall we account them to be which doe despise the commaundementes of Christe and of the Apostles If we be Schismatikes that haue disseuered our selfs frō these fellowes by what name I pray you shal we call them that haue departed from the Grekes at whose hādes they receyued the faith frō the primitiue church from Christ him self from the Apostels euē as it were from their owne parentes For as for the Grekes such as at this daye doe professe the religion and name of Christ althoe they haue many thinges that ar corrupted yet they retaine to this howre a great part of those thinges which they receyued of the Apostles Therfore nother haue they priuate Masses nor their sacramētes mangeled nor purgatory nor pardonnes As for the Popes titles and proude names so muche they doe regard them that whosoeuer doth take them vpon him and wil needes be called either the vniuersal Byshop or heade of the whole Church of him they will not sticke to saye that he is bothe an intolerable arrogant man and a personne that iniuriously defaceth all other Byshoppes his bretherne and also an heretike Now then sins the matter is plaine can not be denied y t these fellowes ar gone back frō those of whom thei receiued the gospel of whom thei receaued y e faith of whome the true religion the Churche what cause is there why they shuld not be cōtent to be called home againe euen vnto the same personnes as it were to the fountaines of religion Wherfore ar they so afrayde as thoe al the Apostles old fathers sawe nothing to folow the exāple of their times for doe they trowe ye see more or be thei more careful ouer the Churche of God then they y t first deliuered these things And now to returne to our selfs we haue departed frō that Churche wherin nother the worde of God could be hearde purely taught nor the Sacramentes rightly administered nor the name of God as it ought to be called vpō and whiche they themselues doe confesse to be corrupted in many thinges and wherin to say the truth there was nothing that could staye any man that was wise and that had any consideration of his owne saluation To conclude we haue departed from that Churche that is now founded not from that Church that was in time past and we haue departed in such sorte as Daniel did out of the denne of Lions as the thre childrē out of the fier yea rather caste out by them with their cursinges and banninges then departed of our selfs Agayne we haue adioyned our selfes vnto that Church wherin they them selfs in case they wil speake truely and according to their owne consciences can not denie but all thynges ar soberly and reuerently handeled and so farre forth as we were able to attayne most neerely vnto the order of the olde time For lette them compare their Churches and oures together they shal see bothe that they moste shamefully haue departed frō the Apostels and we moste iustly haue forsaken them For we after the exāple of Christe of the Apostles and of the holy fathers doe giue the whole sacrament vnto the people These men contrary to all the fathers contrary to al the Apostels and cōtrary to Christ him self not without as Gelasius sayth hygh sacrilege doe deuide the sacramentes and plucke the one parte awaye from the people We haue restored the Lordes supper accordyng to the institutiō of Christ and desire to haue it asmuch as maye be and to as many as may be most common and as it is called so to be in very deede a Cōmunion These men haue chaunged all thinges frō the institution of Christ of the holy cōmunion they haue made a priuate masse so that we present vnto the people a holy Supper they a vayne pagent to gase vpon We doe affirme with the moste auncient Fathers that the bodye of Christe is eaten of none other but of godly and of faithfull menne and suche as ar endued with the spirite of Christe these fellowes doe teache that the very bodye of Christe maye in very deede and as they terme it really and substantially be eaten not only of wicked and vnfaythfull men but also it is horrible to speake it of myse and dogges We doe praye in oure Churches after suche sorte that accordyng as Paule dothe admonishe vs the people may know what we doe pray and with one minde answere Amen These men powre out in the churches vnknowne and straunge wordes like vnto the noyse of soundyng brasse without any vnderstanding without sense without iudgement and this is their only endeuour that the people should not be able to vnderstande any thing at all And bycause we will not reherse all the differences betwene vs and them for they ar in maner infinite We translate the Scriptures into all languages these men wil scantly suffer them to be abroade in any tonge We doe exhorte the people to heare and reade the worde of God these menne driue them from it We woulde haue our cause hearde before all the worlde these menne flee al iudgement and triall We leane vnto knowlege they vnto ignorance We truste to the light they vnto darknesse We haue in reuerence as reason is the wordes of the Apostles and of the Prophetes these men do burne them To conclude we in Gods cause wil stande to the iudgement of God only these men will stande to their owne But if they will consider all these thinges with a quiet minde and a prepared purpose to heare and to learne thei shal not only allow our doyngs which leauing all errours haue folowed Christe his Apostles but also they themselues shal fal away from thēselues and of their owne accorde encline themselues to ioyne with our felowshippe But they will saye that it was an vnlawefull attempt to goe aboute such matters without an holy generall Counsell for therein is the whole powre of the Churche there Christe hathe promised that he will alwayes be ready at hand And yet they themselues haue broken the commaundementes of God the decrees of the Apostles and as we sayde a litle before haue scatered and torne
onlesse the Byshop of Rome admitted and commaunded the same it ought to be taken as a thing vain and as vnsaid at all if wee coulde haue founde in our hartes to beleue these thinges wee confesse there had bene no cause why we should haue forsaken their fellowshipp But as touching that y t we haue now done in goyng from that Church whose errors are openly testifyed manifest and which hath it selfe moste euidently gone backe from the worde of God in as much I say as we haue departed rather from the errors therof then from it self and y t nether disorderly nor stubbernely but quietly and soberly we haue done nothing that disagreed other from Christ or frō the Apostles For the Church of God is not in that state as that it may not be blemmished with some spott or that it shall not haue neede sometimes of reformation for else what neded there so many assemblies and Councels without which as Egidius saith Christian faith can not stande For as ofte saith he as Councelles are neglected so oft is the Church forsaken of Christ. Or if ther be no daunger of any dammage that may come vnto the Church what nedeth as the case standeth now amongest these men the counterfet names of Bysshops For why be they called Shephardes if there be no sheepe that may go astraye Why are they called Watchmen if there be no Citie y t may be betraide Why are thei called Pillers if there be nothing that can fall The Church of God beganne forthwith from the beginning of the worlde to spredde abrode and was taught with the heauenly worde which God himselfe powred out of his mouth was taught with holy Ceremonies taught wyth the Spirit of God taught with the Patriarkes and Prophets and was so continued vntill those dayes when Christ shewed himselfe in fleshe But O mercifull God how often was it in that meane tyme and how horribly defaced and empaired Where was the Church at that tyme when all fleshe had defyled hys waye vpon earthe Where was it when as of the whole multitude of mankinde there was lefte but eyght personnes and they not all chaste and Godly which it pleased God to preserue oute of the common slaughter and destructyon Or when Elias the Prophet complayned so lamentablye and bitterly that amongest all them that lyued vpon earthe there was lefte none but hee alone that truely and rightlye worshipped God And when Esaye sayd The Siluer of the people of God that is to saye the Church is turned into drosse and that Citie whych sometime had been faythfull was becomme a harlott and that in hit from the hedd to the foote throughout the whole body there was nothing vncorrupted or what tyme Christe sayde that the Pharyseis and Priestes had made the howse of God a denne of theeues For the Churche euen like vnto a corne fielde except it be tylled except it be harrowed except it be laboured except it be husbanded in steade of Wheate it wyll brynge forthe Thistels Darnell and Nettels Wherefore God sent from tyme to tyme Prophetes and Apostles and also at the length his annoynted Christe which should leade the people home agayne into the ryght way and thoroughly repaire the Church at such times as it was ready to fall But least any man should say that these things happened only vnder the law and in y e shadow infancy of the Church what tyme as the truthe was couered w t figures and ceremonies what time nothing as yet was brought into perfection what tyme the law was engrauen not into mens hartes but in tables of stone although the same also be but a foolish obiection for euen at that time was also the same God the same spirit the same Christ the same Faith y e same doctrine y e same hope the same enheritāce y e same couenāt the same force of gods word And Eusebius saith that al the faithful euen frō the time of Adam were in very deede Christiās although they were not so called but least I say any mā shold make this obiectiō Loe Paul the Apostle found out like errours and like faultes in y e time of the Gospel in the time of perfectiō and of light in so much that he was driuē of necessite to write vnto the Galathians whom he had before instructed after this māner I am afraid least y t I haue labored amongest you in vaine that in vain you haue heard y e Gospell My little Children in whose birthe I trauaile againe vntil Christ be formed in you for as touching y e Church of the Corinthiās how filthily it was defiled it is not nedefull to speake of Now I praye you then might the Churches of the Galathians and the Corinthians fal from the faith and only y e Church of Rome may neither erre nor slide away Doubtles Christ touching his Church pronounced so long aforehand that the time should come when that desolation should stād in the holy place And Paule saieth that Antichrist in time to come should set his chaire of state in y e temple of God And that it should come to passe y t mē woulde not endure to heare sound doctrine but euē in the very Church men should turne their eares to the hearing of fables And Peter saith that in the Church ther shal be maisters of lyes And Daniel the Prophet speaking of the laste daies of Antichrist saith that in those daies truth shall be ouerthrowen and troden downe to the grounde And Christ saith that miserye and confusion amongest men shall be so great that euen the electe if it were possible should be ledd away in to errour And that all these things should come to passe not amongst the Paganes or Turkes but in the holy place in the Temple of God in the Church in the Congregation and fellowshipp of them that shall professe the name of Christe And albeit these warnings alone might suffise a wise man to beware that he suffer not himselfe vnaduisedly to be so deceiued with the name of the Church so y t he should neglect to make inquisition out of Gods word concerning the truth therof neuertheles many of the fathers also learned and Godly men hath oftimes greuously complained that all these things hath also happened in their times for God euē in the middes of that darkenes would haue some which although they did not open so manifest and cleere light yet they shoulde kyndle as it were some sparkell wherof men sitting in darkenes might haue a glymse Hylary what time as thinges remayned yet in māner vncorrupted pure neuerthelesse in an euill howre saith he haue you set your loue vpō walles In an euil howre doe you worship the Church of God in great houses and buildings In an euil howre do you thrust in vnder these the name of peace Is there any doubt but Antichrist in these places shall haue his seate vnto mee
aucthority of y e Church of Rome by the same aucthorite haue theyr power strēgthes and also in their statutes y e Popes aucthorite is plainly and manifestly excepted If they thinke good to allow these thinges to what purpose are Councels called But if they determine to make them of no force wherefore be they left vncancelled in their bookes But let it be so hardely y t the Pope alone is aboue all Councels that is to say let some one parte be more then y e whole let him be of greater power of more wisdome then all his fellowes together Yea and though Hierome say nay let the aucthorite of one Citie be greater then of the whole world But what if he neuer saw nothing pertaining to these matters and neuer read neither the holy Scriptures nor the olde fathers nor his owne councels What if he as in time past Pope Liberius did should fall away to the Arrians Or as Pope Iohn not many yeares past should haue a wicked and a heathenishe opinion of the life to come of the immortality of soules Or as Pope Zosimus dyd afore time with the councell of Nice so he shoulde also now falsifie other coūcels for y e auācemēt of his powre and aucthoritie and those things which were neuer no not so much as thought those he should say were debated and decreed by the holy fathers and should as Camotenses saith the Popes are wont ofte times to doe violently racke the Scriptures to procure vnto himselfe the fulnesse of all power What if he abandone y e Christian faith and become an Apostata like as by the testimony of Lyran mani Popes haue done Trow ye y t notwithstanding all this the holy Ghost will knocke at his breast and kindle in him wil he or no yea altogither against his wil such a light as he can not erre Or shall he neuertheles be the fountaine of all law shall the whole treasure of wisedome and vnderstanding be foūd in him as it were in a iewel box or if these things be not in him may he be able in so great matters to iudge rightly and conuenienly Or if he can not iudge doth he require that all thinges should be referred vnto him What if the Abbots and Bysshops that are the Popes aduocates dissemble not at all but openly take vpon them to be enemies of the Gospel and wil not see that which they doe see and violently constraine the Scriptures and wittingly and aduisedly depraue and falsefy the worde of God and those thinges which are euidently and properlye spokē of Christ and can not be applyed to any other person doe filthilye and lewdely turne them vpon the Pope What if they saye that the Pope is all and aboue all Or that he can doe all thinges y t Christ can doe or that the Pope and Christ haue one chayre of state to giue iudgement in and one consistory or that he is that same light that came in to the worlde the which Christ pronounced only of hymselfe and that he that is an euill doer hateth and slyeth that light or that all other Bysshops haue receiued of his fulnesse To conclude what if they should not colorably or darkely but euidently and flatly make a decre contrary to the expresse worde of God Trow ye that whatsoeuer these men say that shall be straight waye the Gospell Trow ye this shal be gods army trow ye Christ will be present there Trow ye that the holy Ghost wil swimme in these mens tongues or that thei may say truely of themselues It hath semed good vnto the holy Ghost and to vs For so the Petrus a Soto and his puefellow Hosius are not afraide to affirme that the very same councell wherin Christ was adiudged to death had the spirit of prophecy the holy spirit the spirit of truth and y t it was not false nor a lye that which those Byshops said We haue a law according to the law he ought to dye and y t thei iudged for so Hosius doth write y e truth of y e iudgemēt And y t the same decree wherin they pronounced y t Christe was worthy of death was iuste to all respectes It is surely a merueilouse case y t these mē cā not pleade for thēself maintaine their own cause onlesse w tal they become the patrones of Annas and Caiphas For thei that will say that the very same councell wherein the sonne of God was most despitefully condemned to the Crosse was a lawefull and an vpright councell what councell I pray you will they allow to be corrupted But their councels in manner all of them being such as they bee it was necessary for them to giue this sentence of the councell of Annas and Caiphas But suppose ye that these men will restore vs the Church againe the selfe same being iudges that are themselues accused Will these men abate their ambition and pride wil they cast out themselues or giue sentēce against themselues that Bisshops shall not be vnlearned or that Bysshops shall not be sluggishe bellies or shal not heape benefice vpon benefice or shall not take vpon them to be Princes or shall not make warres Thinke you that Abbots the Popes dere children will make a decree that a Monke that seketh not to gett his liuing with his own labour is a theefe or that it is not lawefull for him to liue other in Cities or in places of much resorte or of other mens goodes and that a Monke ought to lye vpon y e grounde and to sustaine his life with herbes and pease apply himself to learning dispute pray worke and prepare himselfe to the ministery of the Church Surely euen as sone wyll the Pharisees and Scribes reforme the temple of God and of a den of theeues will restore it vnto vs to be an howse of praier There were some amongest them that espied out diuers errors in the Church as Pope Adriane Aeneas Siluius Cardinall Poole Pighius and others as we saide before They helde afterwardes a Councell at Trente euen in the same place where it is now holden There assembled diuers Bishops Abbots and others to whome the matter appertained they were alone whatsoeuer passed among them there was no man to gainesay it for as for our mē they had vtterly shut thē out from al conferēce There they satt in great expectation of the worlde sixe yeares the first sixe monethes as though the matter had been very nedefull they decreed many thinges of the holy Trinitee of the father of the Sonne of the holy Ghost good things in deede although for that time not very necessary Neuerthelesse in all thys meane tyme amongest so many errors so euident so oft by their owne mouthes confessed so manifest what one error did thei euer correct frō what kynde of Idolatry did they w tdraw the people What superstition did they take away What parte of theyr pompe and tyranny haue they abated