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A53499 An answer to the challenge of Mr. Henry Jennings (Protestant Arch-Deacon of Dromore) which evidently makes-out the present Church of Romes doctrine to have been maintain'd in the first five ages, & the adversarys principles to be only a heap of heresies lawfully condemn'd by the primitive Church. To which is annexed An answer to one Whealy. Set forth by James O Shiell reader of Divinity. O'Sheill, James. 1699 (1699) Wing O530A; ESTC R214539 82,791 345

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sayes thus It was not in vain the Apostles order'd that they shou'd be remember'd in the venerable and terribile mysteries for they knew this to be a relief and help to them for when all the people with open arms and the priests offer that dreadfull sacrifice full of veneration how shall we not pacific God praying for them he hath such an other Authority in his 41. Homily on St. Pauls first Epist to the Corinthians and in his 7. Homily on his Epist to the Hebrews he sayes thus speaking of Christ we offer alwayes the same truely noe other but still the same therefore it is one sacrifice for this reason because he is offer'd in several places are they many Christs no not at all but one Christ in all places who is wholy and intirely here and there one bo●● in his 32. de Consubstantiali ●● Sharply reprehend those who neglect to hear masse and in his 2● Homily de baptismo he compare those who leave masse before th● last benediction to Judas who the Lords last supper departe before giving thanks More ●● his Authorityes may be seen n● only in his liturgy but also i● several places manifestly proving the ancient practice of celebrating masses St. Augustin wh● liv'd in the begining of the 5. century declares in his 9 book o● Confession c. 12. that there w● masse said for the soul of his own Moth● Monica her body being laid beside t● sepulchre In his 32 Ser de verb is Apostoli speaking of the dead he sayes the following words the prayers of the holy church the comfortable sacrifice and the alms which are offer'd for those spirits is not to be doubted that they are help'd by them for this hast been deliver'd by the Fathers which new the universal Church observes that those whodye in the communion of the body blood of Christy are remembr'd when the sacrifice is offer'd who doubts them to be favour'd for prayers are not in vain offer'd for them to God And in his Enchiridion c. 110. he also sayes that it is not to be deny'd that the soul of the dead are o●s'd when the holy sacrifice is offer'd for them In his 22. book of the city of God chap. 8. he relates that when Hesperious's coūtry house was troubl'd by malignant spirits tha● he desir'd one of his priests to go thither by the vertue of whose prayers the spirits might give over one of them went saith he and offer'd there the sacrifice of the body of Christ and afterwards the House was no more troul'd More of St. Augustins Authorityes may be seen in hi● 46. Epist in his book de cura promorcuis c. 18. in his book desancta virgin c. 45. in his first book de origine animae c. 9. 11 in his 84. treatise in Joānem All which I omit to produce for breviti sake shall only insert that of venerable Bede who in his first book c 29 ●●lates that St. Gregory had sent Priestly ornaments to St. Augustin the apostle of England and in his 4 book c ●2 he tells that when J●ma was taken captive by the enemyes that he cou'd never bety'd by reason of several masses which his brother Tunna the monke said for his soul believing that he was kill'd in the battel and also in his 5 book c. 13. speaking of that terrible vision of Driethelme who after his death reviu'd and told wonderfull things concerning the pains of purgatory from which said venerable Bede Prayers alms fasts and celebrations of masses doe release many before the day of Judgment Now let us see the councils Authorityes It was decree'd in the 5 can of the council of Vasens atowne in France where 18 Bishops gather'd the year 442 that kyrie eleison shu'd be said in the masses throughout all the Churches of France as it was said long before in the East and in all Italy here are the councils very words quia tam in sede apostolica quam etiam per totas Orientis atque Italiae provincias dulcis et nimis salubris consuetudo in tromissa est ut kirieelcison cum grandi affectu accompūctione dicatur placuit etiam ut in ominibus Ecclesiis nostris ista consuetudo sancta et ad matutinum et ad missas et ad vesperam deo propitiante intromittatur Likewise it was enacted in the 6 can of the same council that the following words holy holy holy shu'd be said īmornig masses ī the masses of lent and in those masses which were offer'd for the dead as it was accustom'd to be said in solemn Masses the words of the Coūcil are these In omnibus missis sive matutinis sive quadragessimalibus sive in illisquae prodefunctorum commemorationibus siunt semper sanctus sauctus sāctus eo ordine quo ad missas publicas dici debeat quiatam dulcis et desiderabilis vox etiam die noctuque possit dici fastidium non potest generare et hoc nobis justum visum est ut nomen Domini Papae quicunque sedi apostolicae praefuerit in nostris Ecclesiis recitetur Which Authorieyes doe not only make out the ancient practice of celebreating Masses but also the Popes supremacy of which I shall treate in my answer to the 4 point In the mean time let us hear the Declarations of other old Councils concerning the present point We read in the 18 can of the council of Agato celebreated the year 506 that the seculars were then oblig'd to receive the Communiō trice in the year viz at Christemas haster and Whitsuntide and in the 47 can of the same coūcil t is expres'd that they were oblig'd to hear masse every sunday Which plainly makes out that in the primitive Church it was lawfull for the Priest to say masse tho' none else wou'd receive the Communion along with him to confirm which I shall produce the Authorityes of the two following Councils who sate above a thousand years agoe the fathers of the 12 council of Toleto can 5 sharply reprehend'd certain Priests for not receiving the Communion when they said Masses which is asign that they acknowledg'd the Masse to be lawfull tho' none wou'd communicate but onely the Priest And the council of Nant c 30 quoted by Ivo p 3 deer e 70 ● prohibit'd the Priests to say masse alone withōut the assistance of one to answer them which Authority proves the ancient practise of celebrating privat masses Tho' Luther and his doctrine aleadges the contrary for the fathers of that Council only obliges the Priests to have clerks to answer them but mentions not a word of a second person to be requisite for receiving the communion along with the Priest for they knew too well that there was no divine or Ecclesiastical precept obliging the Priest not to say Masse if none else wou'd communicate along with him and moreover that there was no Precept commanding others to receive the Communion as often as the Priest wou'd celebrat Masse for that was left to the
n●r ●alf the Nations by them converted and it was also in the same languages those of the primitive C●urch had their own publick l●turgies af●er the Apostles death as all the following Fathers doe openly declare St ●iprian who liv'd in the 3 Century expounding the Lords Prayer affi●ms that then the publick liturgie was in Latin and St. August●●● in his bookde Dono pe●●e● chap 13 in his ● book de Doct●in Ch●istiana chap. 13 and also expounding the 123. Psal and in his 173. Epistle declares that all the western Churches had their Masse in Latin and St. Hierome 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 affirms that all the ●●stern Churches had their Masse in Greek and vs'd St. Basils Greek liturgie but then the Latin and Greek were not the vulgar languages of all Nations for before those times there were several other languages as is manifest by the acts of the Apostle● Chap 2. V. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. where we read the following words and they were all fill'd with the holy Ghost and began to speake with other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance ●nd there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews devout men out of every Nation under heaven Now when this was nois'd abroad the mult●●ude came togeather and were confounded because that every man hea●d them speake in his own language and they were all amaz'd and marvell'd saying one to an other behold are not all these who speak Galileans and how hear we every man in our tongue wherein we were born Whereby it plainly appears that neither the Apostles or the Fathers of the Primitive Church ever judg'd it to be expedient or necessary to translate the publick liturgie into the mother tongue of every Nation nor consequently that it was Requisite that it shuld be immediatly and expressly understood by every one of the hearers for they knew too well that the end for which the publick liturgie has been first instituted does not require this for the drift which the Church had in appoin●ing liturgies is that thereby a continual tribute or homage of prayers and thanksgivings might be publickly offer'd to God by the Priest also that the Christians by their personal assistance at this publick service might unanimously exercise exterior acts of Religion agreeīg With the whole Church represented by the Ecclesiastical meeting of every pious congregation moreover that every Christian by his presence at this service might consent to the publick Prayers and thanksgiving of the Church in order to be made partaker of the graces fruits and benefits which the Church commonly obtaines by its liturgies and publick oblation for when the Priest celebrats Masse or sayes any publck prayers belonging to it he offers them to God for the people present for the whole Church or for any other necessity of the people who are absent so that it matters not whether the people understands him or no because they have as much benefit by his prayers and oblation as if they had understood what he sayes for if they hear him not speaking aword they might be partakers of his prayers and intercession being God to whom they are offer'd hears and understands him for in Sacrifices Prayers and thanksgivings the Priest speaks not to the Congregation but to God according to that of St. Paul's first Epist to the Corinth c 14. v 2 which is Confirm'd by the following example when any man layes sick or in distress at home he sends to the Church to be pray'd for by the Priest and Congregation now shall we believe because he neither hears or understands the prayers offer'd for him that he obtains no benefit thereby no the Lord forbid for if so the Prayers of the Righteous wou'd avail nothing which is against that of St James c. 5. v. 15 16 and w●ich is more we wou'd never be the better for our Saviours intercession for us to his heavenly Father because we neither heare nor understand him or know when he interceds for us yet we Receive innumerable benefits by his intercession and also by the Priests intercession when he Celebrats Masse or sayes any other publick office or prayers instit●ted by the Church for in this Common office he represents our Saviours place one earth and we are certain that the fervent Prayers of a Righteous man availeth much according to that of St. James c. ● v. 15. 16. whether we understand them or no● for their effects doe not depend of our intelligence but rather of the acceptation of God Almighty to whom they are offer'd But now ●o discover the folly of those who do uncharitably censure th● Church of Rome for having her Common Pray●rs in an unknown tongue let them know that there are many Millions of the said Church who doe understand it in Latin and those who doe not that they are so well instructed by the C●ergy that they know when to kneel when to stand when to Pray when to give thanks and when to do reverence and when not besides they have the most part of the Masse if not the whole in their English Italian French Dutch and Spanish prayer book● which also was formerly in the Irish prayer books and would continue so still but that the penna● lawes of that Kingdom in Qeen Elizabeth's raign prohibited any Irish Schooles which oblig'd them to use their Prayers in Latin and English exceptsome of the vulgar who were not able to alow their Children Schooling to learn either of them yet they have traditionaly from their Clergy and parents their prayers and other necessary instructions in Irish taught them by word of mouth and also that part of the Masse wherein they might have any doubt or scrouple So that it is not said in Latin by the Priest to the intent that the people might not understand him or to the intent that the flock might be keept in darkness as some of the pretended Reformers doe falsly reporte but to the intent that the holy Catholick Church in her Liturgies might vse one generall Common language wherein all Nations doe indisputably agree which is more practis'd than any other langauge by the whole world so that if one trav●ls thro' all Europe he shall alwayes find the same liturgie us'd in all Catholick Churches which conformity is a manifest sign of good Goverment which is in the Church of Rome Chap 4 Proving the Pope of Rome's Supremacy in the Premitive Church Christ's promise to St. Peter and the charge which he committed unto him after his resurrection requires some ch●ef and Universal Pastor in the Church whom all the rest ought to obey but it was alwayes beliv'd in the Primitive Church St. Peter and his successor the Pope of Rome to have been that chief and Universal Pastor therefore it was alwayes believ'd in the Primitive Church St. Peter and his successor the Pope of Rome to have been the chief and Universal Pastor whom all the rest ought to obey the minor and consequence are manifest as shall appear hereafter In the