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A47176 A serious dialogue betwixt a church-man and a Quaker Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1699 (1699) Wing K207; ESTC R26829 10,201 18

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A Serious DIALOGUE BETWIXT A Church-Man AND A QUAKER LONDON Printed for Brab Aylmer at the Three Pigeons against the Royal Exchange in Cornhil 1699. Some Books lately Writ by G. Keith and Sold by Brab Aylmer at the Three Pigeons in Cornhil AN Exact Narrative of the Proceedings at Turners-Hall the 11th of the Month called June 1696. Together with the Disputes and Speeches there between G. Keith and other Quakers differing from him in some Religious Principles in Quarto Price 12 d. A second Narrative of the Proceedings at Turners-Hall the 29th of the Month called April 1697. Quarto Price 6 d. A third Narrative of the Proceedings c. Quarto Price 12 d. His Explications and Retractations of divers Passages in his former Books c. Quarto Price 1 s 6 d. His Sermon Preach'd on the Publick Day of Thanksgiving April 16th 1696. Price 6 d. A Christian Catechism for the Instruction of Youth and others to whom it may be useful in the Grounds of the Christian Religion c. 80. Price 12 d. bound A short Christian Catechism for the Instruction of Children c. Price 3 d. Stitch'd The Arguments of the Quakers against Baptism and the Supper Examined and Refuted c. in Quarto Price is 6 d. A Serious DIALOGUE Betwixt a Church-Man and a Quaker Church-Man WELL met It is a most scandalous Reflection ye cast on our Church as I find in a late Dialogue writ by one of your Friends called A Sober Dialogue betwixt a Scoteh Presbyterian a London Church-Man and a real Quaker for you to say ye are of the same Faith with us And ye grosly pervert a Passage in our Common Prayer to Prove our Agreement with you as because we pray that God would inspire us with his Holy Spirit c. that therefore the Inspirations we pray for are your Light within that is common to you and all Mankind and which ye say is sufficient to your and all Mens Salvation without any thing else than which nothing can be more contrary to the Doctrine of our Church as appears by the Thirty Nine Articles of our Church her Homilies and whole Liturgy All which hold forth Jesus Christ of Nazareth as he is in Heaven in our Nature to the great object of Faith for Remission of Sin and Eternal Salvation and also to be the great Object of Adoration together with the Father and the Holy Ghost Quaker I confess there is a great Confusion among us about our Faith especially ever since Fr. Bugg T. C. and G. Keith has Printed so many large and full Quotations out of our Friends Books both ancient and late to shew our disagreement with the Doctrine not only of your Church but with the Doctrine of all Christian Societies in the whole VVorld and if they are to be believed with the Doctrine of the Holy Scriptures and none of all our Opposers has done us a greater diskindness to expose us to the World than he whom W. P. calls the Rattle-Snake Man in his Snake in the Grass that has been so generally well liked that it hath had three Impressions and in his Satan disrobed that hath had two Church-man Why should these Books make such Confusion among you You had wont to glory of your Vnity but where Confusion is Vnity surely is not Quaker Before these mischievous Books came forth we all generally agreed as we thought that the Fundamental Principle of Truth was but one and that one was the Light in every Man's Conscience that taught us and all Men that there was a great God Almighty that created all things and that our whole Duty lay within the compass of a few things viz. to love God trust in him pray to him and give him Thanks for our Creation and Preservation and daily Mercies and to live soberly and justly in this World doing as we would be done by and if we practiced these few things that should serve us for Religion and by our Obedience to the Light in our Consciences which taught us these few things we did believe we should be happy after Death and our Souls should enjoy God Eternally though the Body that lyeth down in the Grave being Elementary and Earthly finally perisheth as all other Elementary and Earthly Bodies do But since the publishing of those mischievous Books many of our Friends both in City and Country begin to think that Christ as he is both God and Man without them is a necessary Object of their Faith for Remission of Sin as he dyed and as his Blood was shed and as he rose again and ascended into Heaven in our Nature as they say and as he is now in Heaven Making Intercession for Men. And G. K. first in Pensilvania and since here having with his Meetings at Turners-Hall and his three Narratives made such a heavy Charge against us particularly against G. W. and W. P. wherein he has had Associates Fr. Bugg Th. Crisp and the Author of the Snake that we have no other Religion but Deism This hath occasioned G. W. and W. P. to give forth several new Creeds wherein they have changed both the matter and manner of their Doctrine from what it formerly was making the World believe they hold all the Articles of the Apostles Creed as other Christians do and that they differ not in the main from the Church of England in Doctrine yea scarcely at all setting aside some School-Terms in matter of Doctrine Church-man What is your sense upon the whole matter and particularly as to these new Creeds Quaker First to the whole matter If Christ as without us and as as some call him God-Man beheld forth to be the necessary Object of Faith for Eternal Salvation it quite overturns our whole Fabrick as W. P. I think very properly charged G. K. at Ratcliffe Meeting that he did indeavour to pluck up the Testimony of Truth by the Roots by preaching the necessity of Faith in Christ as without us This sort of Doctrine doth certainly undo all that we have been building as in respect of our Christianity which we thought was all one with Morality but now G. K. and his Associates tell us That Morality at best is but a part of Christianity and if it is not built on the Faith of Christ God-Man without us it is not so much as a part of it but pure Heathenism and Deism But I cannot be of that mind That Christ considered as God-Man without us in the necessary Object of our Faith for Salvation For if this be granted many great and sad Consequences will necessary follow that Concession that will bring great Trouble upon us And as to these new Creeds the Authors of them had done better to have let them alone and not published them for our Friends have oft declared against making Creeds and Confessions of Faith as hurtful and I believe they will cause great breaches amongst us Church-man Why so Quaker Because it is apparent that our chief Leaders that give out