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A67619 An answer to certain seditious and Jesuitical queres heretofore purposely and maliciously cast out to retard and hinder the English forces in their going over into Ireland ... Waring, Thomas, 17th cent. 1651 (1651) Wing W872; ESTC R13161 43,770 74

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and speak's so loud the Querist may drive som of mean Judgment into amazement though indeed hee manifesteth but a weakness in that his endeavor to render the English title dubious and make our Nation persons and interest odious by an infamous indicting of us under the notion of thievs robbers invaders c. Onely for our credit thus much hee arraign's with us or us with them the great Conquerors of the world Julius Caesar Alexander the great and William the Norman in whom indeed all the great Rulers of the earth are concerned and comprehended by this pernitious stickler for Irish Rebels of whose ridiculous follie beeing senfible enough I give him no other Answer then a flat and express denial to that hee aim's to gain by a confession on our part and what hee is not able to prove on his own But I laie hold upon that which undesired hee grant's unto us in the question and then to answer the Quere Taking him therefore upon his own confession hee who els-where strongly endeavor's to smother our original proprietie and interest doth there beslow upon us a four-fold good title if other things should fail to that Land unto which they the Irish so unjustly pretend As in his several Queres first a conquest Secondly a prescription and actual possession in the British Thirdly a Legislative power fourthly their subjection though a distinct people yet living amongst us unto the English Government The Answer now followeth which is reduced to these affirmative positions First that the Conquerors therein mentioned and comprehended ought not to carrie the character of lawless thievs Secondly that titles and dominions atchieved by conquest are not robberies but justifiable titles and possessions The first of these concern's the person of the Conqueror the second the right of the things possessed Might wee but propound one Quere to this bold Assertor it should bee this What Autor can hee produce for this prophane and absurd Language the worst of prophane histories afford no pattern to these expressions Is a Conqueror no more then a Bandetto a Pirate a Barrabas or one of the Arabian fraternities Must the actions of publick persons impowred by God acted by divine impulsions and oftentimes executing for God an unknown Commission against the Inhabitants of the world for their transgressions bee stained with and carrie the black Character of Lawless thievs Surely no this is not the language of the servant of the living God but of the servant of the lying spirit the fals accuser What if the actions of these Conquerors bee chargeable with som irregularities and personal vitiosities usually concurrent in victories They may bee matters of lamentation to the world and sad accounts too but no ground for such denominations To instance Let us pitch upon Nebuchadnezzar that Babylonian Monarch called The hammer of the whole earth the great destroier of Nations Dan. 2.7 Jer. 50.23 was hee not one of the worst of Adversaries unto the people of God witness Sion's complaint against him Jer. 51.34 35. yet was ever this infamous title attributed to him by anie of the captivated people Nay doth not God speak of him in tearms of honor looking on him as an instrument to act his own design beeing one of the rods of his anger and the staff of his indignation styling him oftentimes My servant and his work his service Jer. 25.9 Jer. 27.6 Ezek. 29.18 19 20. Dan. 6.21 Dan. 2.37 and one unto whom God for his own work assigned Egypt for the wages of his Armie And doth not Daniel the servant of the living God and a Captive of the blood Roial honor him with the awful tearms and title of Magistracie in these words O King live for ever What shall wee saie of Cesar Octavius under whose Government the Saviour of the world was born by whose power the Jewish Nation were kept in subjection doth not the Evangelist St Luke put that Romane stamp of dignitie Augustus upon him Nomen quasi Sanctum veneratione dignum saith Burgensis The Jews gave him the title of a lawful Magistrate and a King saying wee have no King but Cesar Augustine had reverend language towards the Cesarian Armies affirming this Autores belli Dei ministri and in his Epistle to Boniface a militarie Commander in the Romane Legions useth these words Nequaquam putare debes eos qui rei-publicae inserviunt Deo placere non posse John the Baptist who lost his head for the freedom of his Language when the Cesarian souldiers of the meaner rank frequented his Ministrie did not bid them laie down their Arms as unlawful or frown upon them as thievs or discourage them with such Dialects but discipline's them as Scholars for the School of Christ Do violence to no man and bee content with your wages John If God from the mouth of the holie son style 's them servants If holie men taught by the Spirit of God and religious knowing men never took up such vilifying Language against the great Conquerors of the world and the hammers of the earth the Assyrians the Persians the Grecians and the Romans to whom the supreme Lord of all gave the Kingdoms and Dominions of the earth how unwarrantable will it bee for the sons of men to open their mouths contumeliously against the Ministers of the Lord of Hosts into whose hands hee hath put the revenging sword and crowned it with victorie thereby declaring the secret purposes of his good pleasure concerning those people against whom they are sent and preordained for Justice and Judgment Having thus setled the unquestionable title of honored Majestie upon such Conquerors and vindicated them from the black infamie the Language of hell and not of Saints which the Querist would intail upon them I now com to make good my second Position in answer to this sixt Quere A title or dominion atteined by Conquest is not robberie as the Conquerors are not lawless thievs Jer. 27.4 5 6 7 8. Dan. 2.37.39 Isa 36.10 2 King 18.25 God putting all their acquirements by Conquests upon the accompt of his own free donation and not upon robberie or theft Take a short view of mutations in the world made by Conquests in former ages May not the same bee affirmed from thence and other paralel Scriptures that the mutations and revolutions of Crowns and Kingdoms Governments and Governors the breaking in and casting out of Nations are the effect of divine ordination managed and brought to pass by exorbitant and irregular motions of men publickly impowred and by extraordinarie provocations raised up to the attempting of actions above the rank and sphere of ordinarie dispensations Dan. 4.17 Is not the power of God still the same to give his kingdoms of the earth when and to whom hee pleaseth It was the Judgment of Peter Martyr writing de Jure belli Non tantùm à principio mutationes factas esse sed in posterioribus tempore belli Later ages will produce Mutations in times
of war aswel as former And then why may not befal to those Inhabitants of Ireland which challenge the Land to bee given them by God and Nature that which hath betided other Nations by the secret counsels of that God in whose hands the Inhabitants of the earth are tossed as a ball Did not Eneas by conquest of the Latines settle his posteritie in Italie did not the Franks by invasion and conquests take possession of Gallia now their native habitation was not Britain in France surprized by the power of the English Saxons and from them denominated continuing in their possession to this daie Did not the Huns becom Masters of Pannonia now of them called Hungarie And to conclude is not Conquest an universal title throughout the world Is not that Jus gentium quod ubique valet And if this Jus Belli stand for a Plea for them why may not wee then saie as the Civillians fully resoly the lawfulness and proprietie of things gotten by war in this known Maxime Ea quae ab hostibus capiuntur jure gentium statim fiunt capientium I cannot omit som material instances and so conclude the Answer to this Quere whereby the present acting power of a Conqueror is allowed and approved in an usurper by the Lord Jesus Christ who was born under an usurping power to teach us as a judicious Commentator observ's Indicat deinde ipsâ nativitate se non pellere magistratum ordinarium adventu suo imò approbare who besides his universal title to all the world had an indubitable title and claim to the temporal Kingdom of the Jews then under the Romane usurping power Witness that antient Manuscript Michael Nauclerus de Monarchia divina ex libro vaticano yet did so far submit unto the title of Conquest and his intrusion that hee the lawful heir was contented to becom a Subject in his own Land Eodem tempore quo mu●ti Tyranni occupabant though all power was his and hee that little stone foretold that hee should bee cut out of the Mountain c. yet hee neither smite's them with tongue Dan. 2.45 nor opposeth them by practice but practically useth and teacheth obedience by paying tribute yea becom's an Advocate for Cesar's interest Give unto Cesar that which is Cesar's and in a word was so far from exclaiming against that Romane though usurping autoritie that hee looking up to Heaven affirm's the invader's powers to bee of God and therefore afterwards submit's to an unjust Sentence of death whose steps the holie Apostle following and filled with the Spirit of the same Christ the onely blessed potentate doth in express terms without exclusion Rom. 13. v. 2 3 4 5 6 7. enjoin submission to all sorts of powers c. Hee saie's not they have no title they came in by Conquest they are thievs Robbers but honor's them with the title of lawful Magistrates and command's the conquered Subject upon pain of damnation to afford obedience unto them as the Ministers of God using these words that all powers that bee are of God And for the later part of this Quere viz Whether it bee not altogether as unjust to take our neighbor's Lands and Liberties from them as our neighbor's goods from our own Nation I● is answered that although the Irish have verie long usurped the possession of the Lands and Liberties of the English in Ireland beeing the Lands and Liberties in the neighboring Countrie which the Querist meaneth and which of right and from antiquitie and so until this daie do truly and justly belong to the Engliish as in the first Quere is resolved Yet neither when this present Rebellion brake out in Ireland nor of a number of yeers before were anie Lands or Liberties unjustly taken held or deteined from anie the Rebels of Ireland And hee can pretend to nothing but dull ignorance that know's it not to have been still consistent with the Laws and Customs aswel of England as of other civil Nations of the world to seiz and take the goods and liberties of such neighbors of their own Nation as would not stoop to obedience but Rebel against the known Laws of anie Land where they lived especially wilful Law-breakers such as should first begin and attempt depredations and surprising of the goods and estates of the obedient parties the like Laws beeing for such contemners and Rebels also in such cases to lose their lives The seventh Quere WHether God at the last daie will not call men to an account even for those things which they are unaccountable for here as great Conquerors are The seventh Answer GOd at the last daie will justifie all men that zealously execute the work of his own righteous justice and that are instrumental in the propagation of his truth and glorie as the English now are and as I am confident they will persist in Ireland their own Countrie against and upon the wicked Inhabitants thereof the Irish Rebels who for their abominations as I may boldly saie stink in the nostrils of the Lord and of all his servants and must at last without doubt bee brought to an account for all their ungrateful inhumane bloodie and barbarous actions wherein the hand of the Lord is most visible unto us having alreadie brought manie to the sword destroied som by famine but far more by pestilence and other waies of his Justice and now those whose persons as yet met not with those Judgments and proudly triumphed over and stood upon the necks of the deplorable This at large appear's by the examinations taken at Dublin upon oath and infinitely distressed English do like dust before the winde flie from the faces of our English Protestant souldiers not daring to justifie the least of their acts or undertakings but for refuge flie to Mountains woods bogs and other obscure and unaccessible places cursing now the first plotters contrivers and beginners of their Rebellion and hellish designs And doth not the Querist think that manie of these bloud-suckers in this world and the rest in the world to com shall meet with condign punishment suitable to their demerits The eighth Quere WHether the condition of the conquered bee not Ireland and the condition of the Conquerors bee not England and Ireland unjustly tearmed Rebels and their caus just and England a thieving usurping Tyrannie and their caus altogether unjust beeing against God and Nature and therein such as no judicious conscientious man can assist or bid God speed The eighth Answer THe condition of the conquered is not Ireland beeing as aforesaid not a distinct nation and people but the greatest part of them consisting of English or those from thence extracted And the several Conquests of them but reducements to legal and civil obedience to the just and proper right and interest of England Nor can the condition of the Conquerors of them bee as over an absolute Nation therefore the Inhabitants of Ireland now in arms against the just rights and proprietie of England are properly