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A44841 The Quakers house built upon the rock Christ Wherein neither their doctrines, principles, nor practices can be confounded, not disproved; being neither damnable, nor pernitious. As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his book called, The Quakers house built upon the sand: or, a discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious doctrins, in his answer to G.W. which to prove, he lays down seven grounds of delusion, and five arguments of damnable doctrine. But in this answer his seven grounds is proved false in themselves, ...; and his five arguments is proved to be his own false positions, ... as first, he lays down false positions, and then proves them false; and then boasts, as if he had proved our doctrines or principles false: the truth of which is herein clearly made manifest, and wherein he falsly accuseth us, he is justly guilty himselfe. Also the ten fundamentall principles or doctrines of the hireling priest-hood, ... By a servant to the Church of Christ, ... Richard Hubberthorne. ... Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3227A; ESTC R221606 34,515 47

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THE QUAKERS HOUSE Built upon the Rock CHRIST Wherein neither their Doctrines Principles nor Practises can be confounded nor disproved being neither damnable nor pernitious As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his Book called The Quakers House Built upon the Sand. Or a Discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious Doctrins in his Answer to G. W. which to prove he lays down seven Grounds of Delusion and five Arguments of Damnable Doctrine But in this Answer his seven Grounds is proved false in themselves if they were as they are not true against us And his five Arguments is proved to be his own false Positions not according to our Doctrine and Principles As first he lays down false Positions and then proves them false and then boasts as if he had proved our Doctrines or Principles false The truth of which is herein clearly made manifest and wherein he falsly accuseth us he is justly guilty himselfe Also the ten Fundamentall Principles or Doctrines of the Hireling Priest-hood here Discovered This is given forth that all those that have wilfully and from pride and presumpt on of spirit opposed the living truth and the breaking-forth of light from the pure everlasting Fountain of life may put their mouthes in the dust and keep silence if so be for them there may be hope For the lying Tongue will God confound but the lipp of Truth will he establish for ever By a Servant to the Church of Christ which is built of tryed and living stones Richard Hubberthorne In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified and shall glory Isay 45. 25. over all the false Prophets which haue deceived the nations among whom is found the blood of the Saints The Quakers House Built upon the Rocke CHRIST c. THe holy Seed which the living Father doth manifest his Life Spirit and Power unto in all Ages hath been and is the reproach of the World and of all them that be strangers to the life of God and to Christs life manifest in the mortall bodies And though this seed be that which the Father hath blessed and hath received the truth and by the truth is set free according to Christs words John 8. 31. yet in the world from slanderous Tongues and false accusations we expect not to be free but to beare his reproaches and in the patience and power of the Lambe to overcome them for God will bring forth our Righteousnesse Truth and Innocency to shine as the light before all people whereby all hard speeches and false reproaches will be wiped away out of the Nations And that shall fulfill and accomplish that which in words we declare and in that are we known to God and shall be known to the world And now seeing that it hath pleased the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and to open the hidden treasures of his life and hath given us of his holy Spirit and the Tongue of the Learned we shall not cease to improve his gift in speaking what we know and testifie what we have seen both by holding forth the truth in the World and by testifying against that in the World which is contrary to it For now hath the living God opened the Fountain of Life abundantly and is drying up the Fountain of words where the life is wanting And the Lord by his eternall Spirit is giving an understanding to many whereby they are able to discern of things that differ and to know every Tree by its Fruit and to try all things by that measure of his light and holy spirit which he hath given them And to that which is of God in all people doe I commit my Testimony to be read and understood Now this from the meek spirit of Christ in Answer to that which from the pride presumption and arrogancy of Hammonds spirit is come forth against the living truth it selfe and the servants of it but every Tongue that riseth up in judgement against us will God confound First S. H. saith That the Quakers House is built upon the Sand c. Answer How is it then that the Sea hath so long roared and listed up its Waves and the Winds hath blown and it is not yet falne Have not you of all Professions joyned together and have not your Voyces been as the Voyce of many Waters against us And have you not been as blustring Winds which if we had regarded we should not have sowne the seed of the Kingdom As the Prophet hath said He that regards the Winde shall not sow Eccl. 11. 4. So if we had regarded your noyses uproars swelling words of Vanity lyes acensations or persecutions we had not been obedient to the Lord nor done his worke But the Lord hath made our persecutors to stumble according to his promise and his enemies are even weary with smiting of his children Ier. 9. 5. And he is giving his power and dominion to his anoynted ones of the whole Earth And hath ordained his arrowes against the persecutors Psal. 7. 13. And in the Lord shall all the Seed of Israel be justified and shall glory Isay 45. 25. in this the day of the Lords power when the life of the holy Child Jesus is appearing in the dark places of the Earth who is the Rock of Ages and the Foundation of many Generations upon which we are built and stand a witnesse against all the unrighteousnesse of men the proofe of which is not because we say so but the appearing and breaking forth of his life and the fruits of his holy spirit shall make it manifest And to all these that desire the knowledge of Gods wayes it will be known perfectly that God is amongst us and that his spirit power and presence is with us Again Sam. Hammond saith That his Book is a discovery of the pernitious and damnable Doctrines of the Quakers And for securing the Saints c. Answer A refuge of lyes will not secure the saints as I shall prove his Book to be neither can he which is in the Doctrine which is pernitious and damnable discover them in others nor to others as I shall prove in that which followeth in reply to his Book And first to begin with his Method which is as he saith First to shew the grounds of the Quakers Delusions Secondly to demonstrate the impossibility of salvation in and by their Principles Thirdly to answer George Whitheads cavills in his Pamphlet as S. H. falsely calls it First cause of Delusion S. H. A spirit of giddinesse hanging loose to the truth and the love of it c. and to prove it he saith That there is three sorts of people that turne Quakers The first are unlearned and unstable and these are they which have been ancient Professors The second sort young men and women which have been under convictions and awakenings of the Law and are come to terrors and shakings and brought into a Covenant of Works c. The third sort such who for covetous ends to
but by him who having made peace through the blood of hi● Crosse by him to reconcile all things unto himselfe by hi● I say whether they be things in Earth or things in Heaven And we that were sometimes enemies in our minds by 〈◊〉 works yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death to present us holy and unblama●le in his sight 〈◊〉 1. 20 21. 22. and this is our test●mony concerning our reconc●li●●ion by Christ alone not by any thing else whereby all our accuse●s may be put to silence from their boasting against us without a ground Hammonds fourth Argument to prove ou● Doctrine damnable is Pr. That we take men off from going to the fulnesse of Christ as the right hand of God for teaching and send them to looke to the light within them Ans. Our turning people to the light within them doth not take them off from the fulnesse of Christ nor his teachings for the light within is a measure of his fulnesse by it he teaches and people must be brought to his light 〈◊〉 in before ever they witnesse his teachings or fulnesse and by his light within they see him at the right hand of God and never till they he turned to the light within doe they perceive his fulnesse nor his glory and so that this is a weak Argument against us to prove our Doctrine damnable but rather that Doctrine is damnable which keeps people from the light within and so from the teachings of Christ and from his fulnesse and from seeing him at the right hand of the Majesty on high and all that know Christ in any measure of his light or have received of his fulnesse will be a witnesse against thee in this thy Argument to say that turning people to the light within is to take them off from Christs fulnesse which is just the contrary to bring men to it Hammonds last Argument to prove our Doctrine damnable is Pr. The casting off of all the known Ordinances of Christ A●s This was thy seventh ground of delusion against us and now it thy last Argument of our damnable Doctrine and if thou will but set thy seven grounds and five Arguments over again they will be foure and twenty and so thou may inlarge thy Volume by mentioning one thing often over But in answer to thee in stead of casting off all we own all the known Ordinances of Jesus Christ And again thou sayst there are other dangerous Principles that thou might mention as that of Perfection by improving the light within Ans. We never held perfection neither by nor for improving the light within and if there were any other things thou had against us we doe not question but thou would bring them forth But if that was a dangerous Principle to Preach Perfection then Christ was a dangerous man to be either beleeved or followed For he said Be ye perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect And be ye holy as I am holy And some said that he was a good man but there was some that was of Hammonds spirit in those dayes and said that he deceived the people and said that those that followed him then was accursed and they had as good grounds to prove them accursed that followed him then as Hammond hath to prove us in delusion that follows him now For in those dayes they might have said against them that followed Christ that they Preached the light within and turned people to the light within and Christ within Col. 1. 27. and told of having the righteousnesse of the Law fulfilled in them and of the word of Faith in their hearts to obey it and doe ●it Rom. 10 and as Christ suffered the contradiction of sinners then so must we doe now And the Apostle Paul he Preached Wisedom among those that was perfect and let as many as be perfect be thus minded and John said He that is borne of God doth not commit sin neither can he sin because the seed of God remaines in him 1 John 3. 9. and he that commits sin is of the Devill and hath not seen God neither known him and in this the children of God is manifest and the children of the Devill whosoever doth not righteousnesse is not of God neither he that loveth not his brother but he that doth righteousnesse is righteous even as he is righteous Now by Hammonds spirit the Apostles Doctrine and Writings is dangerous Principles and if they were in their righteous lives and conversations upon the Earth they would be scorned and reproached as they were then and their Writings would be called Pamphlets but in that life which they were in doe we reigne over all our Enemies shewing love to them that shew cruelty to us and doing good to them that despighfully use us and Pray that God may forgive them that have falsly accused us for they know not what they doe Pr. Againe Samuel Hammond in the 11. page of thy Book thou takes the Lord to witnesse that thou hast not any desire to passe sentence upon us Ans. Dost thou think that all people is blind or that God will be a witnesse to thy lyes God is righteous and true and so is all that he bears witnesse unto Hast thou not in these twelve particulars before mentioned given sentence upon us to be in thē grounds of delusion and damnable Principles and Doctrines And hast thou not given sentence upon us to be one with the Soc●●ian and with the Papist pag. 4. and pag. 〈◊〉 Oh! what a confusion is here what hast thou been doing in thy Book to prove our House Built upon the Sand and saith 〈◊〉 there is no possibility of salvation for 〈◊〉 living and dying in these Principles And yet takes God to witnesse that thou hast not any desire to passe senience against us Hast thou done all this against thy desire or dost thou find God a witnesse against thy passing sentence upon us Thou sayes that it hath been upon thy thoughts severall years in the same page that a man living and dying in our Principles cannot be saved and this is passing sentence upon us Was it so long upon thy thoughts and never in thy desires Here thou would seem to speak Mysteries to people but the ground of thy Mystery is easily seen to be thy lying imaginations whereby when thou hast done evill would excuse thy selfe by pleading ignorance but in this God will witnesse against thee not for thee Now having cleared our Principles and Doctrines from the guilt of all thy grounds of delusion and Arguments of 〈◊〉 Doctrines against us and thy grounds in themselves to be 〈◊〉 I shall speak something as to thy words in 〈◊〉 to G. W. of those things of which thou hast accused him falsly art thou guilty viz. of rayling words and passionate 〈◊〉 calling his words of truth to thee a Dung hill and full of ●itter rayling and that his Pen and Spirit is dipt in the gall of
keep people from the light within which gives the Knowledge of the glory of God and from the Word within and the Kingdom within and the grace within in which their hearts should be established Heb. 13. 9. and by grace they were saved Ephes. 2. 5. and that being justified by his Grace we should be made beires according to the hope of eternall life Tit. 3. 7. And the Word of Christ was to dwell in them richly in all Wisedome from which they were to a imonish one another in Psalmes and Hymnes and spirituall Songs singing with grace in their hearts to the Lord Col. 3. 16. and their speech was to be alwayes with grace seasoned with salt that they might know how to answer every man Col. 4. 6. and all these is to be known within And Christs Doctrine to the Pharisees was to bring their minds to within and told them the Kingdom of God was within them Luke 17. 21. and Christ bids them Beleave in the light while they have the light that they may be the children of light John 12. 36. And Jesus said unto them I am the light of the World he that followeth me shall not walke in darknesse but shall have the light of life John 8. 12 and Iohn a man sent from God came for a witnesse to beare witnesse of the light that all men through him might beleeve and saith this was the true light which enlightneth every man which commeth into the world and in this light Christ bid them beleeve in and follow And Paul said that he was sent to opes their eyes and to turne people from the darknesse to the light from the power of Satan unto God that they might receive the remission of their sins and be partakers of the inheritance among them that was sanctified Acts 26. 18. and this was the Gospel which the Apostles Preached and hereby may the ignorant be instructed which hath not read any word in the Scripture of light within of Christ within nor the worke of grace within which I have read of all these to be within and beleeved it Harmonds third Ground of our Delution is this Pr. Their not being able to distinguish betwixt being justified ●coly by Grace which is the favour of God upon the account of shrist satisfaction and the Grace wrought by the spirit in the senls or rather that naturall light which being improved they call Grace as he saith Ans This is like the other proceeding onely from ignorance For God will not give us up to delusions that we may be damned for that which we are not able to doe for God doth ●e puire according to what a man hath and not according to what a man hath not for if we have not power nor ability he will not condemne us for that but for ahusing that power and ability which he hath given us to be obedient unto him in for that he is condemned and because that he doth not retaine God in his Knowledge therefore he is given up to a reprobate sence and to strong delusions And whereas thou saith That we cannot distinguish between the Grace of God which is the favour of God upon the account of Christs satisfaction and the naturall light which being improved thou saith we call grace Ans. Yea We have alwayes distinguished between the justifying Grace and a naturall light for the light of the Sunne and of the Moon and Starrs is narorall and by their light the naturall man sees the Creation and the things in it And we never said that this if improved was the Grace so thou falsly accuseth us And that light which we say is within and which Christ hath enlightened every man withall is not to be distinguished from the favour of God for it is the love and favour of God to man that his free Grace which bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men Tit. 2. 11. and by this Grace and not another are they saved who are saved though thou and others turne this grace into wantennesse and then speaks despightfully against the spirit of it and against its being within For if people be once brought to the grace of God within and the light within then they will see your deceitfull Teachings without but while you ear keep them blinde you may Preach for Hire and Divine for Money and they will love to have it so but so soon as any comes to the grace within and the light within then they see your wayes and Doctrines and receives the testimony of the Lord against you which testimony is now going forth in the mighty power of the Lord and God hath raysed up his Sonne which is the light of the World and his faithfull witnesse in his Children and thousands shall come to the brightnesse of his rising whereby you shall all be discovered who hath laboured to quench his appearance and the breaking forth of his light which will stand over you for ever Hammonds fourth Ground of Delusion is this Pr. Our not distinguishing betwixt the Covenant of Works and the Covenant of Grace and for the proofe of this instances the Perfect Pharisee and because we say That Christ is the end of the Law for righteousnesse c. Aus. Let all people take notice of his proofe those lye● and false accusations which he and Coale Yrideaux Weld and Durant did speak against us five yeares since which was proved false by the Answer to it those he takes as sufficient proofes for his false accusing of us now men of understanding will be ashamed of his Folly if because that he standered and falsly accused us five years agoe and doth so now again Is his first lye made a proofe for his second If he would have proved any thing against us our Doctrine or Principles to be a ground of delusion he should have proved it from our words or writings and not from his own accusations as by the Perfect Pharisee Againe he brings our words because that we have said that Christ is the end of the Law for righteousnesse therefore this proves the ground of our delusion and that we cannot distinguish betwixt the Covenant of Grace and the Covenant of Works Then the Apostle is proved to be in the ground of delusion as well as we for he said the same words Rom. 10 4. and this saith he is the direct Popish Doctrine who say that Christ is the end of the Law for righteousnesse as in the fifth page of his Book but saith he they expresse it of inherent righteousnesse and so calls it because Christ works it in them Answer As to say that we expresse it and call it inherent we have not so exprest it nor called it so But if because Christ works his righteousnesse in us we say the righteousnesse of the Law is fulfilled in us who walke not after the flesh but after the spirit Rom. 8. 4. If we say that Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousnesse this is not Popish
Doctrine nor ground of delusion but both the Apostles and we must beare the reproaches of the World and the conrradiction of sinners if we beare witnesse for Christ against the World Hammonds fifth Ground of Delusion is Pr. Our not distinguishing betwixt saving light given forth by Christ in conversion and the light of conscience which every man hath as a rationall Creature and for proofe brings the Perfect Pharisee and saith that will confirme it as if his first lye would confirme his second Ans. Sam. Hammond thou hast been too hasty in thy discourse to prove the grounds of our delusion and I cannot say in these things that thou hast gone about in cunning devised Fables but in such as is manifest to the least measure of understanding in all Hast thou known such a thing from any example before thee to prove a thing against us from thy own words without any ground from us in thy so often mentioning the Perfect Pharisee which is thy former reproach to prove this latter And truely in those things which are in plaine and evident I should not answer thee But least that then should be wise in thy own conceit And againe then saith If we could but see a difference betwixt the light given by Christ as the Word John 1. and the light given by Christ as Mediator it might help us out of some pits Before thou told of distinguishing between the light of Christ in conversion and the light of conscience and now betwixt the light of Christ as the word and as Mediator Now all they which know Christ and his light wherewith he hath enlightened them as he is the Word and as he is the Mediator they will clearely and perfectly see that thou art in the pit with thy distinctions when as we are not in it for want of them Where did the Apostles distinguish Christs light as he is the Word and his light as Mediator or how many lights did they declare that Christ had that those that know but one light of Christ in its severall measures and appearances of it may know more lights Was there other and severall distinct lights of Christ to every severall distinct name which was put upon him and so as many severall lights as severall names And where doth the Scripture speak of a naturall light or of the light of a naturall Conscience if it doth declare it or else learne to speake in the Forme of sound words according to the Scriptures For we knew that as Christ is one so is his light and so is his life and so is his power and the way to the Father but in the world among the Hirelings as there is gods many and lords many so they make many lights but to us there is but one God even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and one Lord Jesus by whom are all things and we by him and one light of our Lord Jesus Christ by which all that come unto the Father are led and guided and by which all that deny him to have enlightned every man that commeth into the world and that set up any other light besides Christ to enlighten them or leade to the Father is condemned And by this light are we able to see all mens foolishnesse and ignorance and doe see all these pits and snares into which through their blindnesse they are led Hammonds sixth Ground of our Delusion is this Pr. Our being scandalized at some loose Professors and our not finding what we would have been at under the meanes of Grace c. and our desiring to live by sence and not by faith Ans. This is darknesse without mixture of any light in it And as in his Book he tells of pure darknesse sure he meanes grosse darknesse without any mixture of light then his sixth ground against us is it For let all soberly consider whether this can be a ground of our delusion Our being scandalized at some loose Professors If he had said our being scandalized by some loose Professors the words would have had some sence in them to prove us as we are but herein should we be justified and he that scandalizes us rather to be in the ground of delusion For our being scandalized by loose Professors as ●dammond and his Church this doth not prove us to be in delusion but rather himselfe And for his saying That we not finding what we would have been at under the means of grace that therefore we are deluded or given up to be damned this is to ground neither of delusion these thy dark soolish expresssions cannot deceive many Therefore I shall aske thee this oneffion that when thou Writes againe thou may speak thy meaning and leave those darke words which have no sence in them What would we have been under the means of Grace which we could nor finde for which God hath given us up to delusion Or Whether doth God give any up to delusion for not attaining that which they cannot finde under the means of grace when they wait for it And as for thy saying that we desire to live by sence and not by faith that is false for it was never in our hearts to desire it since we knew the Truth and means of Grace but by that Faith of the Sonne of God we live which overcomes the World Hammonds seventh and last ground of delusion against us is Pr. Our shaking off all the outward Ordinances of Christ under pretence of receiving the inward Ministrations Ans. As thou begins so thou ends with thy Grounds against us being all false for by that pretence we never cast off any Ordinance of Christ but by the inward Ministration of the Spirit doe we bring sorth and fulfill the outward Ordinances and from the inward Ministration of the Spirit doe we Pray and Preach which is outward Ordinances and alwayes give thanks for all things and beare our Testimonies against all false wayes and worships and by the reall not pretended Ministration of the Spirit doe we continue in all things whatsoever he hath commanded us and by which we know his outward Ordinances and his inward worship which stands in the spirit and in the truth and so continue we in the Apostles Doctrine in Fasting in breaking Bread and Prayer being by the word of his power redeemed and set free from all the grounds of delusion and doe witnesse the life of righteousnesse whereby God will condemn every Tongue that riseth up in judgement against us And now is the Lord making manifest who it is that is in the pretences and who is in the things it selfe for though such through fained words boasts of Christs righteousnesse but deny it and them that walke in it this I say unto all such they that deny to 〈◊〉 in his righteousnesse in the World shall never be justified by it before the Father therefore as yea look by is to be justified so also look to walk in it and bring it forth in the World as your Fruits