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A41431 The sum of a conference had between two divines of the Church of England and two Catholic lay-gentlemen at the request and for the satisfaction of three persons of quality, August 8, 1671. Gooden, Peter, d. 1695. 1687 (1687) Wing G1099; ESTC R34918 23,435 41

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