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A65842	A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. aut; Fox, George, d. 1661. aut	1659 (1659)	Wing W1896; ESTC R220960	30,510	44

they say that we said the same body that suffered was glorified at Gods right hand in heaven yet still they say we meant but his Church either by his body or by the heavens and then they charge it upon us as a fundamental error Answ. Now they that discerne the body of Christ may see how these wise men of Babylon have confounded and stifled themselves in their own confusion one while saying that we would not be drawn to answer their question another while confessing that we said the same body that suffered was glorified at Gods right hand in heaven and now when they can get nought against our words they charge us ignorantly with what we meant and here it appears they hold that Christ hath two bodies in telling of a mystical body and not receiving that as an answer that his body is the Church the fulness of him that filleth all in all so that from their words they would have Christ to have a body besides or distinct from the fulness of God when as the Scripture doth not say that Christ hath two bodies nor that his body is a body of flesh and bones without the blood in it in the Heavens as John Horne and Thomas Moore have told us for its not proper to say that a body of flesh and bones is in the Heavens as if it were in many places at once for Heavens are more then one and the body is one and hath many members 1 Cor. 12. 12. and this body is not carnal but spiritual which they who were carnal as these men are could not discern though the outward bodies of believers they might discern and yet this body of Christ is discerned by the believers who are led by the Spirit of God and its in the heavens above the clouds which they who are gazing abroad and looking carnally to see Christ they discern not the Lords body for they see not thorow the Clouds into the Heavens so Christ is taken out of their sight But Stephen who was full of the Holy Ghost saw the heavens opened and the Son of man on the right hand of his Father and John in the spirit saw into heaven and a door opened in heaven and Christs body is not distinct from the spirits of all men as it is distinct from carnal bodies as you imagine by your Question for the just men who are come unto mount Zion where the Lamb Reigneth in his glory I say their spirits rejoyce in him and the true Church in Christ which discerneth his body in his fulness is but one compleat body in the fulness of God which filleth all in all both in Heaven and Earth though you imagine two bodies of Christ And this know that what the Scriptures do declare of Christ and his body we own and the same that descended into the lower parts of the Earth is he that Ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things the same Christ that suffered in the body at Jerusalem who appeared in divers forms after his Resurrection and in the transfiguration before the same rose again and was taken in his Ascending out of the sight of them that gazed after him and is glorified in the same glory which he had with the Father before the world was John 17 and as he who is the Word became flesh so when the dayes of his flesh were finished he was translated into his own glory which he had with his Father from Eternity and so the second Adam is a quickening spirit and his body is spiritual not discerned by you whose minds are out from his spirit neither can his glory by which he was transfigured and is glorified be seen but by them who pass thorow death and follow him into the mount And now you who so much contend about the body of Christ we ask you this Question whether do you believe that the body of Christ which the Saints upon earth do discern and which the world cannot discern is a body of flesh and bones in the Heavens yea or nay seeing you own the believers or the Church to be a body of Christ and plead for another body of Christ distinct from them John Horn and Thomas Moore p. 5. Say that believers are members of his body namely his mystical body of his flesh and of his bones not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone Answ. This is grosse confusion to say that believers are members of Christs flesh and bones and then to say they are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as if Christ had two bodies of flesh and bones one of which the Saints are not members when the Apostle saith as much as they were flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone in his saying no man ever hated his own flesh but nourisheth it and cherisheth it even as the Lord the Church for we are members of his body of his flesh of his bones Eph. 5. 30. J. Horn Tho. Moore bring 1 Thes. 4. 15. 16. and Phil. 3. 20. 21. where it is said Christ shall descend from Heaven not from but to his Church say they yea this of the Quakers denying that body glorified doth at once turn up by the roots all the faith of Christs appearing in the presence of God to mediate for us Ans Was there ever the like confusion and falshood uttere'd as these men do appear in a little before they say of the Quakers that they said the same body that suffered was glorified at Gods right hand in Heaven and now charge us with denying that body glorified it were well they would be ashamed of their lies and confusion and as for that 1 Thes. 4. 15. Concerning the coming of the Lord from Heaven which these men aforesaid would blindly put afar of as to a coming of Christ with flesh and bones the Apostle saith we which are alive remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are a sleep so that coming of Christ the Saints who then were alive remained unto it and in that of Phil. 3. 20. 21. there it is said our conversation is in Heaven from whence also we look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ so their conversation was in Heaven and there they looked for the Saviour they did not say their conversation was at a distance off above the Clouds from whence you look for a Christ like your selves but that he hath no blood in his body as you imagine whom we desire not the knowledge of and that your Faith which is not grounded in Christs appearing in you is to be turned up by the roots Again J. Horn and T. Moor do accuse us to be Reprobate concerning the Faith touching the Resurrection of the dead as chiefly they accuse us for affirming that the same body that dyes shall not be raised again and that George Fox would not be brought to say whether the spiritual body was ever dead but answered in general

cannot understand they all look to their own way every one for his gain from his Quarters that is are more mindful of the Fleece then the Flock and many of them given to voluptuousness Come and I will fetch Wine c. Answ. Many true words have you here uttered against your Brethren the Teachers but if ye be thus divided against your selves surely ye are not like to stand the hand of the Lord is turned against you who would stir up your Brethren the Dogs to bark against us and to bite and devour the Lambs of Christ and now ye lay open one anothers nakedness but as for your railing and calling of us Beasts that will come upon your own heads and your words shall become your burthen And as for thee John Horn especially thou canst not clear thy self from being one of those Dogs which ye say look for their gain from their Quarter for thou lookest for thy gain from thy Quarter and art an Hireling who pleads for and takes Tythes And it is true That ye who pretend your selves to be watchmen are too generally blind and ignorant and ye have no true vision for Night is come upon all the Hireling Teachers yea the Sun is set upon you all and so the blind leads the blind and both falls into the ditch So poor people may see how they have given their money for that which is not bread and their labour for that which could not satisfie even to uphold a company of ignorant blind watchmen that could not understand for the Preaching of the Cross of Christ which is the power of God hath been a sealed Book to them even to uphold such as have contented themselves with Dreams and have been given to voluptuousness and have long abused Gods Truth and neglected Christ the Salvation of God as ye confess of your selves and others so ye are witnesses against your selves Ye Idol Shepherds who have not profited the people the Lord is stretching out his hand to gather and deliver his Sheep out of your mouths that ye may no longer make a prey upon them who through your Covetousness and fained words have long made Merchandize of people J. Horn T. Moore The Lord help us to search and try our wayes and to see how much any of us have contributed to the overflowing flood of this ungodliness Answ. The Lord hath searched and tryed your hearts and wayes and he hath found you guilty of much ungodliness and his light hath often made you sensible of it and judged you for it and the Lord hath oft called unto you to forsake your ungodliness though ye have long slighted the Call of the Lord and hardened your hearts against his reproof Therefore repent and dread the Lord and take heed lest that come upon you that when ye call upon the Lord he will not answer you John Horn Thomas Moore Surely some mens Principles that would be counted Orthodox give and have given them great advantage Answ. Many corrupt Principles do you and your fellow-Teachers hold which we are made to witness against that so the People may see your Deceits and not be led into your Imaginations any longer several of yours are made manifest in this Book as about Christs Body and Blood and Resurrection of the Body c. And after ye have reckoned up many things which ye say those that would be counted Orthodox hold whereby ye say we get great advantage ye then proceed as followeth John Horn Thomas Moore But besides this too general Ignorance Sloth Covetousness Pride found in too many Ministers gives advantage to them even like Foxes and Wolves to ●●●laim against the vigilent Shepherds too as if all were but Hirelings and so that the Flock ought rather to betrust themselves with them Answ. Great is the Ignorance Sloth Covetousness and Pride which is generally found indeed in you who are called Ministers which in the power of the Lord we are oft moved to declare against but we do not take Advantage thereby as ye Lyingly and Railingly accuse us to declaim against the vigilent Shepherds as if all were but Hirelings for we put a great difference betwixt the Proud Covetous Slothful Hirelings and the vigilent Shepherds for we own the vigilent Shepherds whom the Holy Spirit hath made Overseers over the Flock of God and have true Unity with them and we know that they are not Hirelings for they have freely Received and they freely Give and covet no mans Silver Gold nor Apparrel but seeks the People and not theirs for having Food and Raiment they are therewithal content and receives it of them also that do receive them and imbrace the Truth and we labour to bring People unto Christ the power of God that People may betrust themselves with him who is the good Shepherd and Bishop of the Soul John Horn Thomas Moore But it is good for People to mind first That all are not Hirelings that take Hire witness Zach. 11. 12. 2 Cor. 11. 8. Secondly That it is safer for the Sheep to a●ide with their Hirelings if their Shepherds be such then to l●ave them and go to Foxes and Wolves Christ faults the Hir●lings for leaving the Sheep to the Wolves but never wills his Sheep to leave Hirelings if they will feed them in the Pa●●ures of Israel Answ. Here the people may see your exceeding ignorance and blindnesse in your pleading for taking hire who say that all are not Hirelings that take hire and for your witnesse and proof you have brought that Scripture in Zach. which although the Prophet spoke those words yet it is evident that he spoke them by way of prophecy concerning Judas who afterwards should ask a price for Christ and fell him which prophesie came to passe for Judas said to the Jews who sought to take Christ what will you give me and I will deliver him unto you and they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver so it appears by your words that you would perswade the people that Judas was no Hireling for it is evident that that which ye bring for your witness was spoken concerning Judas who asked for the price or hire and received it so Judas is your witnesse and example for asking and taking of hire and not Christ Mat. ●6 15. so the people may mind this mark that it was Judas the betrayer of Christ that asked for the hire and covenanted for it and those that rejected Christ and were chief actors in the murthering of him they gave the hire and then was fulfilled that which was spoken by the Prophet read Mat. 27. and what the Apostle took of the Churches for his relief which received the truth amongst whom he sometimes laboured that will not prove that it is lawful for the Priests to take Tithes and Hire of all sorts of people that have Land in Parishes whither the people own them or not as it is evident that the Priests do And the Hirelings and all devouring Beasts are

people are overcome and led captive by the Quakers and say John Horn Thomas Moore It s through their own carelesness and formality or also through their Teachers they are not so instructed as to be able to examine and discern them Through their carelesness and weakness therethrough in their understanding of the things of God and conceiting themselves to know and be able to judge and discern of spirits they neglect the helpfulness and gifts of brethren as also the advice of their Teachers and instructors that have the oversight of them and spoken to them the Word of the Lord Answ. Oh be ashamed to see what a bad crop is brought forth what have you been Teachers so long and taking peoples mony for this that notwithstanding they have owned you and your Doctrine and followed you so long that yet they should bring forth no better fruits then these as carelesness and formality and conceitedness and neglect and weakness in understanding the things of God ye have sown but to the fleshly part and that 's the cause you have such a corrupt crop And now we see your Kingdom is near falling who are accusing your fellow Teachers for not instructing the people so as to be able to examine and discern us and the people are led captive already who brings forth such bad fruits as these and had you spoken the Word of the Lord to them and they had believed it surely they would have brought forth better fruits but because you have but stoln from your neighbours much of what you have spoke and added your own imaginations thereto and hath run but the Lord hath not sent you that is the cause you have not profited the people though you have believed what you have spoke and have contended much for your Doctrine yet ye receiving it not from the Lord it was without life and power and so was not effectual to the people John Horn Thomas Moore Oh that all both Ministers and people would yet be awakened to search and try our wayes and to make straight steps to our goings Answ. Yes ye had need to be awakned indeed for it is manifest that ye both Teachers and people have been asleep in the night of thick darkness and you have brought forth night works neglecting Christ the salvation of God and abusing his tru●h taking no pleasure therein but rather in slothfulness formality covetousness pride and vanity in apparrel and many other things and Teachers not instructing people so as they might be able to examine and discern such as come unto them Ye sluggish Shepherds who are yet to be awakened what have you taken peoples mony and goods for all this time was it for your sleeping and dreaming awake awake ye sluggards and own the light of Christ which he hath enlightned you withal and that will shew you your dreaming and the deeds of the night and that will teach you to make straight steps to your goings and to search and try your wayes John Horn Thomas Moore Look to your selves whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the Doctrine of Christ hath not God he that abideth in the Doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son Answ. Then it is manifest that you Thomas Moore and John Horn have not God and out of your own mouths ye shall be Judged for in the 20. pag. of your Book you speak of the heavy Judgement of God that he hath ordered to you to punish you for your neglect of Christ the Salvation of God and the truth of him so long abused by you now it is plain to any that have any true understanding that such as neglect Christ the Salvation of God and abuse his truth that they transgresse and abide not in the Doctrine of Christ and this you have confessed your selves to be guilty of and now your blindness and folly and confusion and wickedness is discovered by the spirit and wisdom of God which abideth in us who abide in the Doctrine of Christ and have both the Father and the Son Many more of your lies and slanders and confusion we could shew you in your Book but that they are not worth the mentioning And think not with your selves that because we reckon not up the rest of your accusations and railing against us that therefore we consent to them as truth for we know that the Lord God will judge and punish you for your perverting the truth and your railing against us and slandering and belying us called Quakers as you have done both in your Book and in many Papers of John Hornes that were posted up against us in Lin and this know that the Lord God of power hath by his mighty power and wisdom armed us to make War against you and to manifest your deceits who are found to be forgers of lyes and deceivers and in enmity against the living truth of God and the longer you proceed therein against us and the truth witnessed by us the more will you be confounded and your folly made manifest that so the honest hearted will begin to loath you and you had better have put your mouths in the dust and been silent then to have blasphemed against the truth of God and against his people as you have done leave your hypocrisie and deceit wherewith you blind the people and feed them no longer with your dreams lyes and stoln dead words least the Lord cut you off in your iniquity for a time of withering is already come upon you And as for you who are the Hearers of the said John Horn and Thomas Moor our Souls pitty you knowing you are under a vail of thick darkness and bondage as we can no otherwise conclude seeing your leaders are tryed and found so much in ignorance and confusion and we wish rather then you would remain under their darkness and deceits that you would come back to the witness of God which hath in many of you been often moving but often hath been quenched through yielding to the sleights and deceits of men and striving to get more into knowledge then into the life and power and now you are but feeding death and seeking the living among the dead while ye go to them for help who are out of the power of God in their own imaginations wherein they are confounded and if ever you come to the Fathers House and there to find the spiritual nourishment you must first return to the light of the Lord in you which you have transgressed and grieved when often it hath appeared against your ungodliness And we would not have you think much against us because we have here dealt plainly by your Teachers in discovering them for we were first occasioned to give forth this because of their false railing book against us or else we had not thus appeared in publick against them and compare this and their book together and you may soon see if you read them sincerely how deservedly we have dealt by them more then they have by us for we sent Queries to John Horn and Thomas Moor in manuscript for them to answer not expecting they would have wronged us as they have done in Print And therefore if they in like manner do again proceed against us in Print we purpose in the Lord further to have their deceits discovered publickly that the truth which is professed and dearly owned by us may be cleared and its enemies have the fruits of their own doings Post-script AND seeing that ye called Moorians hold forth That flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God yet flesh and bones may we ask you these Questions If Elijahs flesh and bones could enter into Gods Kingdom when he was taken up and if his blood could not then when and where and how and by whom was his blood taken and separated from his flesh and bones And what is become of his blood And what is it that hinders the blood that it may not enter into Gods Kingdom as well as the flesh and bones which ye say may Is the transgression of the blood greater then the transgression of the flesh and bones And shall the flesh and bones be redeemed and delivered from corruption and shall not the blood What is the Cause For although the Lord doth what he please yet doth he do any thing without a Cause And whether do you own that Doctrine that when Christ appeared amongst the Disciples after his Resurrection when the doors were shut John 20. 19. that then his body being spiritualized it glided in at the key-hole of the door Which doctrine Thomas Moor sen hath formerly preached as some hath affirmed who heard him And where do the Scriptures say That flesh and bones may in herit the Kingdom of God And where you John Horn and Thomas Moor in page 16. say That Sathan doubtless may reprove of some sins and press to some duties Now have you not here shewn your selves to be Ministers of Sathan and not of Christ And we ask you what duties or any things that are duties doth Sathan press men to Answer directly or let shame cover you which at length will come upon you for your deceits THE END