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A92774	The diatribē proved to be paradiatribē. Or, A vindication of the judgement of the reformed churches, and Protestant divines, from misrepresentations concerning ordination, and laying on of hands. Together with a brief answer to the pretences of Edmond Chillenden, for the lawfulnesse of preaching without ordination. / By Lazarus Seaman.	Seaman, Lazarus, d. 1675.; Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing S2174; Thomason E413_9; ESTC R203508	93,768	122

whose loynes the naturall succession of our blessed Saviour is propagated from Adam yet I have endeavoured in the following Answer pag. 49. 84. to remove that stone of stumbling and rock of offence But whatever becomes of Calling to the Ministery in the manner used heretofore I hope it will appeare that for the time to come it ought to be in part at least by Ordination and Ordination by Laying on of hands and that this is the Judgment of the Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines Some will blame me for having said so much and others say they expected more But if this may be of any use toward the cleare discovery and decision of the Question under debate till those who are better able unite their shrength and bring in their supplies this labour is not lost But how comes it to passe that those who maintain That any one sufficiently gifted may Preach and he whom the People accept of as a Minister to them is thereby made a Minister raise such a dust about the Calling of others who have both their gifts received from God and the Peoples acceptance to plead as well as themselves and do not rather quiet the People by instructing of them that disputes about the externall Calling may be laid aside when as the internall Call of God is evident and a further reformation about the outward Calling is every day endevoured My hope was to have at large examined that Position also A man may lawfully preach the Word who is not called to be a Minister which in the close of all I call a Paradox meaning a thing incredible as it relates to the ordinary practise of many in our times But for the present I have only hin●ed some heads of an Answer to another who hath written since to the same effect and desire a little respite for the rest Touching the Author of the Tract which I deal with as he is to me uncertain so would I haue been to him if the Presse were not now under more restrictions then it was at the time of his writing that there might be no occasion of digression from the matter to either of our persons If any where I have mistaken his sense fallen short in answering or used any expression which proves displeasing I shal be willing to be rectified So the Truth and those who are studious in things of this nature may gain any reall advantage though more by him and lesse by me it shall not I trust through Him that strengthens me be any grief of spirit to me whose desire is with the Italian Martyr that Christ may live though Idie and that HE may increase though all the Ministers of England decrease For your part who are to judge betwixt us both you are intreated to weigh all things soberly and without prejudice That GOD who hath promised his Spirit to lead his into all Truth guide us to the knowledge and love of Truth Amen Imprimatur Edm. Calamy Foure Propositions Whereof three are proved by the Holy Scriptures and attested unto by the Reformed Churches in their Confessions of Faith and Books of Discipline the fourth is a just Consequence from the rest Very necessary for all men to consider of in this juncture of time especially for those who have sworne to Reform according to the Word of GOD and the example of the best Reformed CHVRCHES PROPOS I. THE Office of Ministers is alwayes necessary in the Church of GOD as an ordinary meanes of His institution to effect the salvation of the Elect. Let these Scriptures be compared weighed Jer. 3. 15. Ephes 4. 11 12. 1 Tim. 3. 1. 1 Cor. 3. 9. chap. 4. 1. 2 Cor. 3. 5 6. ch 5. 20. ch 6. 1. Mat. 28. 19 20. The judgement of the Reformed Churches touching this The latter Confession of HELVETIA ch 18. God hath alwayes used his Ministers for the gathering and Deus ad colligendam vel constituendam sibi ecclesiam eandemque gubernandā ac conservandam semper usus est Ministris ilsque utitur adhuc utetur porrò quoad ecclesia in terris fuerit Ergo Ministrorum origo institutio functio vetustissima ipsius Dei non nova aut hominum est ordinatio Proinde spectandi sunt Ministri non ut Ministri duntaxat per se sed sicut Ministri Dei utpote per quos Deus salutem hominum operatur Corpus Conf. par 1. p. 56. erecting up of a Church unto himself and for the governing and preservation of the same and alwayes will use them so long as the Church remaineth on Earth Therefore the first beginning institution and office of the Ministers is a most antient Ordinance of God himself not a new device appointed by men Ministers are to be considered not as Ministers by themselves alone but as Ministers of God even such as by whose means God doth work the salvation of Mankinde Harmony in Engl. printed in 4. Anno 1643. pag. 233. The FRENCH Confess Seeing that we are not made partakers of Christ but by Credimus quoniam non nisi per Evangelium simus Christi compotes oportere sacram inviolabilé 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ejus authoritate in Ecclesia sancitā conservari ac proinde requiri in ecclesia Pastores quibus onus docendi Verbi administrandi Sacramentorum incumbat Itaque fanaticos illos omnes detest●●●ur qui qu●●rum in se est sacrum Ministerium sive praedicationern Verbi administrationem Sacramentorum abolita cupiunt Corp. Conf. par 1. pag. 107. the Gospel We believe that that good Order which by the authority of that Gospel is confirmed ought to be kept sacred and inviolable And that therefore Pastors are necessarily required in the Church upon whose shoulders the burden of teaching the Word and administring the Sacraments doth lie Therefore we detest all those fanaticall spirits who as much as in them lieth desire that both this sacred Ministery or Preaching of the Word and the Administration of the Sacraments were utterly abolished Harm Eng. p. 253. PROPOS II. Besides the internall Call of GOD and due qualification through the Spirit an Externall mediate Calling by men in the ordinary state of the Church is necessary to put a man into the office of a Minister and to enable him for the Work Proofs out of Scripture Jer. 14. 14. ch 23. 21. 1 Tim. 3. 2. Rom. 10. 15. Heb. 5. 4. 2 Cor. 3. 1. Act. 1. 21 22. The FRENCH Confession Art 31. We believe that it is not lawfull for any man upon his Credimu● nulli fas esse suapte autoritate invadere Ecclesiae gubernacula sed legitim● electione quoad ejus fieri potest quamdi● Dominus ejus rel potestatem facit praeeunte adscisci unumquemque oportere Corpus Conf. par 1. p. 108. own authority to take upon him the government of the Church but that every one ought to be admitted thereunto by a lawfull Election so neer as may be and so long as the

Ordination consisteth in the appointing of such for the holy Ministry by persons in office Ruth Due right of Presbyteries p. 186. ● dist have first chosen will not easily be proved * It is not of the substance of the calling to bee chosen by voices of the people Dr. Fulke on Act. 14. 23. 4. Whereas you speak of Ordination commonly so called you name neither Church nor Divine who state it as you do here and I think you can name none Be it an act of Ministers or Elders after Examination and Election there must be something added to make it a definition or description In stead of the quid rei you give us only the qu●●d● If your proofs have no more strength then your exp●●ation hath clearnesse and fulnesse you may still conceale your ●a●e and that will be your best advantage In that sence Ordination is not essentiall to the Calling of Minister Ans 1. This implies there is a Scripture-sense wherein Ordination is essentiall to the Calling of a Minister or else you oppose it in all sences and then what needs those words in that sence If there be a sence wherein you with the Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines do grant it why is that concealed 2. If your Thesis had been intirely expressed it would run thus Ordination as it is commonly taken for an act of Ministers or Elders after Examination and Election is not essentiall to the calling of a Minister Put then what 's the meaning of it That no act of Ministers and Elders about the calling of a Minister is essentiall thereunto or none but Examination and Election I suppose it is not your sence that Examination and Election by Ministers or Elders is essentiall to the calling of a Minister and tha● these together are commonly called Ordination That no act of Ministers or Elders whatsoever is essentiall to a Ministers calling will not be found to be the judgement of the Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines and that without limitation and restriction which Formadat esse Materia est part quid ditatis yet in your Title you pretend unto 3. The word essentiall may prove a blind to some readers being a term of art which learned ones agree not about That forme gives being and yet matter is part of the quiddity as also Quod essentiāam rei non constituit sine eo essentia rei salva esse potest Propria adjuncta non constituunt essentirei Ergo sine iis essentia rei salva esse potest ●x consequenti n●n debent vocari essentialia Heiz Nullus Philosophorum in ●oto orbe terrar●i dabit tibi Majorem Rod. Goclen ad Pisc●● Piscator in Thesibus p. 604. the distinction of essentiall into 1. antecedent 2. constituent and 3. consequent is common in the Schooles yet in a learned company I have heard it to be by one of them little lesse then hissed at One Heizo propounding this argument against Piscator The essence of a thing may be without that which doth not constitute it Proper adjuncts do not constitute the essence Therefore the essence may be without them and consequently they are not to be called essentiall Rodolphus Goclenius Professor at Marpurg answers for Pisc No Philosopher in all the world will grant the Major So as if Ordination were not constitutive yet if it did necessarily follow upon that act which doth as suppose Election by Ministers or Elders with the consent of the Church it might be called essentiall What think you of this Whether Ordination be not at ' * Zanc. makes Election and Ordination parts of Calling So Ames If parts then essential or integrall least an integrall part of a Ministers calling and whether some integrall parts be not essentiall to an integrall whole and Ordination such a part of Calling 4. In plain words I suppose this to be your meaning No man who desires to be a Minister needs be Ordained and if he be he is not thereby made a Minister And this you assert without any distinction of time or state of the Church or of Calling whether it be mediate or immediate ordinary extraordinary or mixt You might as well say Mariage as an act of Ministers or Magistrates after the consent of the parties is not essentiall to the calling of man and wife none need to be so married and if they be they are not thereby made man and wife Wise men would soon perceive that your word essentiall would not be a sufficient salvo against the danger of such a position families are likely to be destroyed by it notwithstanding He that sayes no act of Ministers or Elders is essentiall to a Ministers call will say as much with fairer pretence of Magistrates and then either nothing is essentiall or something to be done by the people or something immediately on Gods part what followes upon this but either Erastianisme that there is no Church-power or Order Brownisme that all power is in the body of the people or Enthusiasme that every man is to act in sacris as he is led by inspiration without respect to politie If this be your judgement yet methinks it sounds not like the judgement of the Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines Papists use to impose such a sence upon them and they use to disclaim it Yet I do not wonder that you are thus bold with them seeing you begin with First Second and Third c. which must be understood either of Scripture or Reason or both as if right reason and that Spirit which leadeth into all truth were fully on your side in this cause whereas I fear they are not 5. As to your position in your own terms Ordination is not essentiall to the calling of a Minister the Reader who is to judge betwixt us both must observe this mysterie Ordination is taken two wayes in the Reformed Churches among Protestant Divines 1. First and most frequ●ntly for the rite of imposing hands which is the last act whereby a Ministers calling is consummated This because they call it a rite they do not count essentiall that is alw●yes and in all cases absolutely necessary especially as appropriated unto Bishops distinct from Presbyters jure divino but they hold it to be lawfull and more or lesse necessary in a setled and well-ordered Church 2. Ordination signifies that act wherein and whereby Church-governours do in the name and stead of Christ set apart one to be a Minister and by such separation make him one with Prayer Fasting and either with or without Imposition of hands Here they distinguish of the time and state of the Church and though in my observation the terme essentiall be used sparingly yet the necessity of this thing in the substance of it in a mediate calling and regular state of the Church is every where asserted * Nemo ad ordinariam in Ecclesia functionem admitti debeat nisi legitime vocatus eoque legitime electus ordinatus Zanch. in