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The assenters sayings published in their own words for the information of the people : being in requital of Roger L'Estrange's Dissenters sayings / by an indifferent hand.
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Indifferent hand.
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Wing A4019; ESTC R4649
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by this Comforter we must understand him according to the Scripture Deut. 18.16 that is another Comforter like unto me not only a Spirit but a perfect Man Ibid. 8. We must understand the Holy Ghost to be a man for they that are sent to us in the Name of Christ are Men yet he that is thus dignified is but one man Ibid. 9. Christ saith speaking of the Holy Ghost John 16.13 He shall not speak of himself but what he heareth that shall he speak Ibid. 10. From whence you may understand That the Holy Ghost though called here a Spirit as elsewhere is not a Spirit only but a Man also for he is a Hearer and a Receiver of the things of Christ and his Errand is not to speak of himself or to set forth himself but to glorifie Jesus Christ which thing you know King Charles did above all that ever was Ibid. 11. You say The Holy Ghost came upon the Apostles and so the promise of Christ Joh. 14. was fulfilled and there is no further manifestation of the Holy Ghost to be expected amongst men I say no for the great manifestation of the Holy Ghost was reserved untill the time of the Restoration of Israel and thus you see Acts 1. For Christ being amongst them bids them wait for the promise of the Holy Ghost and not depart out of Jerusalem untill it came upon them they thinking there should be a full manifestation of it in their days said Lord wilt thou at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel for then they understood the fulness of the promise should be but the Lord puts by their question saith to them they should receive a competent measure of power from the Holy Ghost fit for their work which was but the influence or beams of the Holy Ghost so called the Holy Ghost as we say of the Sun when it shineth upon a House there is the Sun though indeed it is but the Sun beams and the Sun hath its distinct body before our eyes though no man is able to disern the Limitation of its beams and as Abraham and the Kings and Prophets saw Jesus Christ yet they saw not his Body with their eyes as the Apostles did so the Apostles saw the Holy Ghost yet they saw not his Body with their Bodily eyes as we saw Ibid. 12. S. Paul speaks of two one he calls the first born and that is Jesus Heb. 1.6 who first was Typed out in the Sacrifices who cometh and Sacrificed himself the second he calls He saying When He cometh into the World Heb. 10.5 That is the Holy Ghost which is ready to be a body of Jesus Christ to do his Will Ibid. 13. In the first Dispensation under the Law Christ Jesus was amongst them and spake by their Prophets whose Form of Speech is Thus saith the Lord and that it is the Lord Jesus that uttered himself by them so in the second Dispensation under the Gospell you shall find the Holy Ghost comes in the beginning in S. John the Baptist and so forward to Christ and his Apostles increaseing in it and that the Prophets under the Gospel use this Form of Speech Thus saith the Holy Ghost Ibid. 14. As the appearance of Jesus was to end the Prophesie and Prophets under the Law so the appearance of the Holy Ghost in Charles is to consummate all Prophecies and Prophets for ever that now no more Prophets are to be expected for the Holy Ghost hath sealed with his bloud that true way by which all the World is to worship God and that shall Unite all in Love both Jews and Gentiles Ibid. 15. The Jews say the same thing that there are two Messiahs one they call Messiah the Son of David the other Messiah the Son of Joseph which Messiah the Son of Joseph as they affirm was to die in the last War of Gog and Magog and afterwards to rise again and shew him to be Messiah the Son of David and that Messiah the Son of Joseph shall sit in the Throne of Messiah the Son of David and Rule for ever all that he hath and be his Viceroy as Joseph was to Pharaoh which Assertion in this point is more consonant to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles then any holds it forth amongst our Divines yet I say the Spirit of Infallibility is in our Church by which they guided according to the great Providence of God to give the King the great Honour due unto him though many of them did not consider what they said and now will not own it in the true sence but of this I am sure that the Bishops who first said it were men of understanding and did nothing ignorantly and some of them Prophesied when the King came from Spain that he should die to maintain the true Catholick Faith Ibid. 16. If Blasphemy be in me then Christ Blasphemes the Apostles Blasphemes the Church Blasphemes the Jews Blasphemes for we are of one Assertion Ibid. 17. Christ is not proud be not ye foolishly proud for him for you shall have but a small reward for it for Christ doth permit his Servant to be equal with him and I dare say if he had met in his day with such a faithfull King as King Charles the Lord Christ would have put him before him but the humility of King Charles would have been such that he would have been glad to follow on his knees the last of all his Disciples being over-joy'd to have that Honour to see his Presence and Person upon Earth Ibid. 18. Who is he that doth prefer King Charles to the place that Jesus would give unto the meanest of his Servants that is to be equal with him for my part I do not and I know no Servant of his will take it upon him and I know King Charles must rather be compelled to it for Christ will give it him by force and he must receive it or anger his Lord which I know he will not do Ibid. 19. For so indeed I am sent before King Charles to prepare a People to receive him as S. John of Old was sent to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus the case is the same Ibid. 20. I suppose such an account is expected from me as S. Paul gave the People that is a Narration of my calling to this work wherein you shall find God's special purpose in me preparing me from my Infancy and also leading me by His Special Hand from time to time and declaring his minde unto me giving me to understand wherefore I had my being shewing special signs upon me while I was yet an Infant to the admiration of my Parents and of all my friends and acquaintance that they were forced to Prophesie and to say that God had appointed me for some great Work ibid. 21. Lifting up mine Eyes from my work I beheld the Angel of the Lord all in white stood upon the Shop-board with a flaming Sword in his hand ready to destroy me
THE Assenters Sayings PUBLISHED In their own Words For the Information of the PEOPLE Being in Requital of Roger L'Estrange's DISSENTERS SAYINGS By an Indifferent Hand LONDON Printed for Henry Jones 1681. The Epistle to the Reader In this Collection you will find Sayings of two sorts some Good and some Bad the Good are all spoken in favor of Dissenters by men of as much Piety and Learning as any have been in the Church of England since the Reformation Among the Bad ones you will find some Enthusiastick and Blasphemous some in favor of Debauchery c. In making this Collection I have taken care to avoid that which L'Estrange is so frequently guilty of in his pretended Dissenters Sayings viz. taking a line in one place two or three words in another and a word from another and drawing them head and shoulders into one Sentence which thus jumbled together speak quite contrary to the Author's sense and meaning So that to say the truth some of those Sayings are not the Dissenters but L'Estrange's Now here you will find the whole Sentence laid down in the words of the Author without the least alteration I shall conclude with my hearty Prayer to God That Assenter and Dissenter and all other Names of Division and Causes of Animosity may be taken away from among us for ever The Epistle to the Reader THE Design of the ensuing Collection is in some measure to put a Check to those Clamorous Outcries that are daily sent forth against the Dissenters especially in those two famed Pamphlets called The Dissenters Sayings c. And to inform the World That the Dissenters from the Church of England are no such manner of Persons as R. L. Heraclitus Club and the late fam'd William Gould cum multis aliis would represent them to the Common People for and there is nothing more plain than that many sober Assenters to the Church of England are Dissenters from them For you shall find many of these Sayings spoken in favor of the Dissenters by Men of more Brains and Learning and therefore more capable of judging than Roger L'Estrange and though being Guide to the inferiour Clergy as the Worshipful JEST-Ass was pleas'd to stile himself in a Letter to a young Divine at CAMBRIDGE he may with Authority correct them yet certainly he will not do so by those of the superior Clergy Men of far more Holiness and Piety whose Sayings are more to be regarded than the envious and malicious Railings of every prosligate Buffoon Men of far better Estates and larger Revenues whereby they are not so liable to be imposed upon by a debauch'd Companion or an imperious Strumpet a pressing Poverty or an insatiable Revenge a covetous Bookseller or a turbulent Clergy-man the one promising to pay well for his Copy and the other to make larger Contributions among those of his Tribe For it is apparent to all unprejudic'd Persons that the whole design and ultimate end of all his Writings is to promote the Roman Interest supply his Necessity and satiate his Revenge THE Assenters Sayings PUBLISHED In their own WORDS TO Inform the PEOPLE I shall Introduce the Reader with a Choice Collection of the Sayings of a Great Champion of the Assenters wherein he endeavours to prove K. C. the First to be the Third Person in the Trinity 2ly That there is no Salvation to be obtained out of the Church of England 1. THE first Objection is say they What doth your Scripture Proofs make for King Charles I answer With those that hate Him and the Truth the Proofs are of little or no force With such as love Him and the Truth the Proofs will prevail There are darker Proofs than these brought to prove the verity of our Saviour Jesus Christ Eccho to the Voice from Heaven Printed 1652. in the Preface 2. As the Jews will find Objections enough against the Gospel so many will find Objections against this King but let them take heed what they say against Him for Jesus knew that the Scriptures heretofore was dark and therefore he said to them that spake against his own Person then It was forgiven them but saith he Whosoever speaketh a word against the Holy Ghost it shall never be forgiven him Matth. 12.32 That is against his appearance in this King John 14.26 Jer. 9.28 which thing is so clear that all the Mysteries of God are opened by it So that now an Angel swears that time shall be no more for Ignorance to shelter under Rev. 10.7 Ibid. 3. For this King is that Key of David by which all Secrets was locked up Isa 22.22 Rev. 3.7 and by which Key all now is opened for this Day of Light was appointed to be in a King and therefore it is said in Heb. 4.7 he limiteth a day saying in David To day after so long time giving to understand that the Day was not the Apostles Time nor David's time but our time Ibid. 4. Christ signifies Anointed in English and I hope none will deny the King to be the Lords Anointed the Lord our Lord is the Lord Jesus and the King is the Lord 's Anointed or in Greek his Christ for all knows that Christ is a Greek word and one of the most learned Bishops in England upon the hearing of my Book read before him gave this sentence of Approbation upon it That he wished that all Men were of my mind and for the Third Person all the true Ministers in the King's Dominions fifteen years ago gave him the place of the Third Person saying of him to God the Father in their Prayers CHARLES by thy Grace and Providence King of great Britain France and Ireland Defender of the true Ancient Catholick and Apostolick Faith next under Thee and thy Son supream Head and Governour Ibid. 5. Here they place the King to be next to Jesus Christ making no mention of the Floly Ghost except they meant Him to be the King Ibid. 6. The Holy Ghost is the Chief Governour of the Saints on Earth by the Apostles Testimony for when the Decree is sent to the People of God Acts 15.28 it runs thus It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to lay upon you no other burdens than these And for the Ministers words by the orational sense of them we must understand them thus That by the King they mean the Holy Ghost and third Person or else we must understand thus That they do not acknowledge the Holy Ghost to be the third Person for they spake of God the Father and of God the Son and King Charles to be next and immediate under the Father and the Son Ibid. 7. Here they put out the Holy Ghost from being the third Person except they mean him to be signified to us in the King's Person which may very well be for Christ himself in the first place where he speaks of God's sending the Holy Ghost saith he John 14.16 I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter and