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A86649 The fiery darts of the divel quenched; or, Something in answer to a book called, a second beacon fired, presented to the Lord Protector, and the Parliament, and subscribed by Luke Fawne, John Rothwel, Samuel Gellibrand, Thomas Underhill, Joshua Kirton, Nathaniel Web. Wherin, their lies and slanders are made manifest against the innocent, and those books which have been published by them they call Quakers, owned and vindicated, and all the rest which is in that book disowned, and their deceite laid open; how they have perverted the truth and our words in those books which they cry out of as blasphemy, that the truth may not suffer under the reproach of the heathen. / By one who is a witnesse for the truth against Gog and Magog, called after the flesh, Francis Howgil. Also something in answer to a booke called a voice from the Word of the Lord, by one John Griffith, against us, whom the world calls Quakers, wherein his false accusations is denied, and he proved to be a slanderer, and the truth cleared from his scandals. By one who is a witnesse against the deceits of the world, called Edward Burrough. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing H3159; Thomason E817_16; ESTC R207383 23,227 35

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hear his voice and a strangerthey will not hear I answer They that are of God do owne the writings of all the servants of Christ but many may professe their words as the Pharisees did the Prophets words and as thou dost now and yet not bee of God but children to the divel but that our conceits are fleshly I do deny thee for all conceits of the flesh wee deny and beares witnesse against and it shall stand for thy owne condition and thy voice is the voice of a stranger and they that are of God will not follow it though thou bring the Saints words in thy mouth as the divel did unto Christ yet in the light of Christ thou art seene and comprehended and from the light of Christ answered and by it judged to be without the life of those scriptures which thou speaks of and they are from thee but as an empty sound And whereas thou cites many more Scriptures which are exhortations of the Apostles to the Church and exhorts thy Bretheren with them to vvhich I Ansvver as before The Scriptures I doe ovvne but to thee thou envious man they doe not belong for as in this thy vvriting thou art proved a lier and a scorner and a slanderer and a false accuser and a blasphemer out of thy ovvne mouth be a vvitnesse against thy selfe and let all thy vvhole assembly beare vvitnesse against thee that the Scriptures vvhich vvere spoken to the Saints vvho vvalked in the light and had denyed ungodliness doth not belong unto thee vvho art an hater of the light and lives in the pollutions of the vvorld but the Scriptures vvhich vvill surely be fulfilled upon thee the wicked shal be turned into hel and the lier shal have his portion in the lake and he that works abomination is to be troden in the winepresse of the wrath of God without the City and such like And now somthing in answer to something in the Epistle to the Reader whereas thou and the rest of you there say although the light hath appeared yet there is a generation of men in the world that doe hate the light and endeavour to put it out crying against the scriptures of truth it s a dead letter and against the forme of doctrine therein contained To which I answer It is true the light hath appeared Christ who is the light lightneth every one that comes into the world which light hath appeared in every mans conscience and there is a generation which hates the light and you are of that generation which say every man hath not the light and calls the light of Christ thick darknesse and endeavors to put it out and here you have read your owne condition though you make a large profession of the Scriptures which is not the light but words declared from the light as the Jewes did professe the prophets words but persecuted Christ and spoke against him who was the light and substance of the prophets words and if you know any who cries against the scripture and against the doctrine therin contained with you we cry and declare against such for the scripture we owne in its place to be a true declaration of God of Christ and of the saints conditions but they are not the light but Christ is the light as themselves bear witness nor are they the saints guide but he spirit that gave them forth as they themselves bear testimony neither was the scriptures given forth to give your own imaginations and suppositions upon but they themselves are doctrine and are as they speak he that hath the same spirit which speaks them forth reads them and understands them and none else and whereas thou saist lest that simple plaine meaning men should be kept in Babels darkness or the enlightned fall into the errour of the wicked for that reason your book came to publick view I answer Truly you are deceived who think to gaine into your form the simple plain meaning men by lies and false slanders and false accusation who are simple and plain unto God wil discern your deceits and how falsly you have accused the innocent and wil see you your selves to be in Babels darkness and who walks in the light wherwith they are lightned wil see you to be in the errour of the wicked and out of the truth and it is well for the truths sake that your book came forth that thereby your filthiness and deceitfulness and enviousness might be laid open to the simple And truly I say unto you you have and wil miss of your end in putting forth this book of yours and whereas you say you shall be willing at any time to vindicate every conclusion therein contained against any that shall oppose I answer I challenge you all in this particular to prove those accusations which you have laid to our charge whom you call Quakers in many particulars which before I have demanded what they are is before spoken of and whereas you say you account that light within not witnessed by the scripture without which some so much talke of to be deep darkness I answer if you know any who speake of any light which the Scripture doth not witnesse of we with you freely declares against such and such a light is darkness but the light of Christ which we speak of which hath lightned every one that cometh into the world I hope you are not so impudent but you wil acknowledge that the scriptures speaks of this light and dare not deny but that the scripture witnesses that Christ is the light of the world for as I said we freely give way and desires that all might search the scripture whether these things be not so as we declare And whereas you say and exhort to let the Scripture be the rule of faith and practice I Answ Here you would alwaies keep people in darkeness under your teaching and would make void the new Covenant which is the Law written in the heart and the spirit of the Lord put in the inward parts to be the rule and guide of the Saints for who walkes by the rule without them and teaches men so to do would make void the Covenant of life and peace where the teacher is not removed into a corner which teacher all that have faith and an holy conversation do witnesse which teaches not contrary to what the Scripture speaks but is a teaching fulfilling of the Scripture and an establishing of it though thou and many may professe the teaching of the Scripture and may in your own wills conform unto it in the outward appearance as the Pharisees did and yet be but Hypocrites and deceived as they were and I say againe that faith was before the Scripture was written which faith is declared of in the Scripture which faith comes as is manifested by hearing of the word Preached which word is even in the mouth and in the heart if you have an ear you may hear now I advise you all in the name of the Lord to cease striving and contending against the truth for verily the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands will dash your image of many mixtures to peices and it falling upon you wil grinde you to powder and your conforming the outward man to an outward thing and teaching men so to doe and limiting and tying the Holy one to a visible thing wil not cover you in the day of the Lord nay verily though concerning the Scripture without you may walk blamelesse yet one thing will be found lacking even the crosse of Jesus Christ by which all sin is crucified in them who walks in it and I say unto you that your covering is too narrow and it will not hide your secret parts for in the eternall light of Christ you are seen and comprehended your beginning your time and your end for though you have the Scriptures and Jewish like walkes up in the outward appearance of them crying the ordinances and Churches are ye yet your praise is of men and not of God for you are enemies to the life of the Scriptures as is made appear by your many lies and slanders against us which you have uttered and I say returen your minds every one within to that in your own consciences which reproves you in secret for your secret iniquities it wil let you see where your hearts are and how far they are mortified to the world and the love of it and this light wherewith every one of you is lightned is the light of Christ and it is the Lords true witnesse and shall witnesse for him eternally against all whose deeds are evil who walk in disobedience of it and all who love it and walk in it it leads unto Christ and into all purity and holinesse and uprightness of heart towards God and man and this light leads unto justification all them who are taught by it and here is your teacher loving it and your condemnation eternally continuing to hate it And thus I have answered your booke and the truth is witnessed and many false lies and false accusations denied and testified against and thus I rest waiting for an answer to clear your self if you be able of those things which I have denied from you which you have charged upon us for God is my witnesse this I do desire that truth may be made manifest and imbraced and deceit and errour discovered and denied
weightier matters of the law nor the law nor teach any so to do all that ever heard us wil bear witnesse against thee and they though our enemies shal witnesse for us and against thee in this thing for we declare the everlasting Gospel which is the fulfilling of the law and this we declare that the law must have its operation through before the Gospel be witnessed and one of thy owne society said to us wee had preached the law and brought men to understand it from grace now let all take notice of the confusion you live in and let your owne hearts condemne you and the light in your owne consciences convince you that you are in Babylon and in confusion and are no true Church of Christ where all are of one heart and one mind and this againe I affi●me as before I did in thy hearing that the Scripture is not the Saints rule but the Spirit which gave forth the Scripture as the Scripture it self witnesses Rom. 8. Faith was before the Scripture was and therfore the Scripture is not the ground of it but a declaration of it and no other faith we owne but the faith which Abel had and which Moses had which was when no Scripture was written and that we own to be the rule of our conversation which they walked by the immediate spirit of God which was before the Scripture was written and all you who professe the Scripture to be your rule your own rule shal testifie against you when the eternal God judges you and they vvho vvitness that to bee their rule which gave forth the Scripture walkes up in the life of the Scripture more then you all and you are proved to be but the Jew outward who bosts of the Ordinances from the letter but persecutes them by slanders and false reproaches who witnesse the substance and your praise is only of men and not of God and the same woe which thou pronounces upon us wil fall upon thy owne head for this thy grievous slander that we neglect the law and teach men so to do and whereas thou brings many Scriptures and saith thus saith the Lord I answer the Scriptures we owne and by that spirit which speaks them forth wee witnesse them to be true and they are ours and though you say they are the savour of death to us that perish yet thou art found a lier for wee are saved out of the perishing state and death is destroyed through death and thou hast diminished through faith from that Scripture 2 Tim. 3. 15. false prophet like againe and so art both an adder and a diminisher and thou maist read thy portion in Rev. 22. 18 19. and whereas thou saiest know this thou perverter of the right way of God thou shalt bee judged by the word of Christ spoke I answer here thou sets the Scripture in the roome of Christ and art the perverter of the right way of God thy selfe for the Scripture saith all judgement is commited to the Sonn and the Scripture is not the Sonne and thou didst say and now againe writes that the Scripture shall judge the vvorld and so I charge it upon thee that thou art a blasphemer vvho exalts the Scripture above the Sonne of God and shalt be judged by the Sonne into utter drrknesse and into the pit from vvhence thou art come yet this I testifie he that receives the Sonne rejecteth not those vvords vvhich vvas spoken by him though thou and thy generation Pharisee like may make a profession of the vvords vvhich Christ spoke and yet reject the Sonne and all to vvhom Christ speaks vvhich receives him not shall be judged by the vvord vvhich he speaks for he speaks eternally which shal stand eternally but when did he speake to thee for this I doe declare thou maist have those words which he spoke and yet never have heard his word nor voice as the Pharisees had those words which God spake by the Prophets but never had heard his word nor seen his shape John 5. and thou saist quake and tremble at this that word which you reject and dispise shall judge you at the last day and saith thus saith the Lord and brings Christs words and the Apostles words I Answer the Lord rebuke thee thou scorner here thou hast made the filthynesse of thy heart knowne for out of the abundance thereof thy mouth speaks here thou art seen to be a scorner quaking and trembling we own it is that which the holy men of God witnessed but here be a witnesse against thy self that thou art a scorner of their conditions what hast thou to doe to talk of the Scrip●ure who art scorning that which it declares of here thou art made manifest to be one that hath the form but denies the power and scornes at it God scornes thee thou scornful one and let all that feare the Lord depart from thee and see thy filthinesse and search the Scripture whether it testifies not of that which thou scornes at and makes a mock upon And that we reject and despise the Scripture and the words which Christ spake which thou accusest us of this is another lie and a false slander for the scriptures vve ovvne in their place and by the Spirit of God sets to seale that they are true but that they shall judge the vvorld vvee doe deny and herein thy ignorance doth appear and that thou art blinded by the God of this vorld which thou vvould cast upon us and Christs vvords and the vvords of the Apostles shall fall upon thy own head for vengeance in flames of fire will the Lord render upon thee thou lier and slanderer and false accuser who art in disobedience to the Gospel of God And whereas thou saist the Lord hath spoken it and it shall surely come to passe and bringst many Scriptures I Ansvver The Scriptures vve ovvn and vvhat is spoken in them shall be fulfiled but thou lier when did God speake this to thee the judgements pronounced in them shall fall upon thy ovvn head because thou art guilty of the same iniquities as they vvere of against vvhom these Scriptures vvas declared and wheras thou saist we are those that the Lord before hath spoken of in his vvord and therefore no marvel vve vvould not have men to reade it and cites the 2. of Peter 2. Chap. I Ansvver I doe in the presence of the living God deny thee thy false assertion but it shal stand for thy owne condition thou art one in the generation which Christ spake of and that vvas in the Apostles dayes which hath the forme but denies the power as they had and I charge thee againe with a lie in thy mouth who saith we would not have men to read the Scriptures they who have heard us shall witnesse against thee that wee do direct to search the Scripture whether our doctrine be not true and by the Scripture shal our doctrine be tried how long wilt thou utter thy lies in the