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A88564 Two speeches of the Lord Chancellour of Scotland: the one, to the King at Newcastle; declaring, that if His Majesty refuses the advice given him, he will lose his friends, cities, and all England joyn against him; whereas, if he hearken to their councell, they will sacrifice their lives and fortunes for establishing of his throne. The other, at a conference with a committee of both Houses of Parliament; in answer to certain votes in Parliament; and giving the reasons, that the kingdom of Scotland have an equall interest to the person of the King; and that he cannot be disposed of, without the advice of that kingdome. And, that they cannot in duty nor honour deliver him (without his owne consent) to be disposed of, as the two Houses of Parliament shall think fit. Loudoun, John Campbell, Earl of, 1598-1663. 1646 (1646) Wing L3093; Thomason E361_3; ESTC R201202 5,246 9

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our eyes And the granting of our desires wil revive our fainting spirits refresh our sad harts which are over-whelmed and like to break with sorrow and wil turn the prayers and tears of the many thousands of your people in praises to God and make them embrace your Majesty with acclamations of joy The Lord Chancellour of Scotland his Speech at a Con●e●ence in the Painted Chamber with a Committee of both Houses October 10. 1646. My Lords and Gentlemen THis day I hope will bring our Conference to some results to be reported to the Houses and therefore I shall frame my Discourse and Arguments with that succinctnesse as may bring us soonest to a close At our first meeting the subject of our debate was whether the Right Power of disposing the Person of the King is solely in the two Houses as they shall thinke fit or in the two Kingdomes and at our last meeting we had some arguing about the same question but your Lordships did still assert the Vote of the Houses and we say in respect of the interest and relations which both Kingdomes have equally to the King especially in the present juncture of affaires when both Kingdomes are entred in the same League and Covenant have jeoparded their lives in the same War are labouring under the same danger are seeking the same remedies and stand in need of the same peace and security and both Kingdomes are bound by our Covenant to preserve unity and are obliged by Treaty that none of us shall make any peace cessation or agreement whatsoever without mutuall advice and consent of both That the Person of the King cannot be disposed of without the joynt advice and consent of both Kingdomes But as we do acknowledge that England hath parity of interest with Scotland so do we still offer that they shall have parity of power in disposing of the King and we do affirme That the Person of the King who is King of Scotland as well as of England and is Head and Monarch of both Kingdomes cannot be disposed of by any one of the Kingdomes alone but what ever is to be done concerning his Majesties person ought to be done by joynt advice and common consent of both as may serve most for the Peace security and happinesse of the Kingdomes which wee did prove by severall Arguments To which there was nothing answered in effect but that the King being within England his Person was to be disposed of as the two Houses shall thinke fit and that the King being with the Scottish Army and they being paid by the Parliament of England he is in effect in the power of the Houses ought to be at their disposing in the ●●me way as if he had come to the Army of Sir T. Fairfax or any other of the Parliaments Armies To which we shall not need to make any reply other then we have made already That the Kings present residence in England nor no locality can take away the reality of our relations formerly mentioned by us far lesse can it take away the ingagements and stipulations betweene the Kingdomes and though the Scottish Army paid by the Parliament of England yet they are the Army of Scotland raised for pursuance of the ends of the Covenant and are to be ordered and directed by the Parliaments or Committees of both Kingdomes And therefore they cannot with conscience duty nor honour deliver the person of the King without his owne consent to be disposed of as the two Houses shall thinke fit but we have declared and do still declare That we are content that the person of the King be disposed of the word Disposed being taken in a right sense as may serve most for the peace safety security honour and happinesse of the King and both Kingdomes and did offer to your Lordships consideration his Majesties comming to or neere London as the most probable meanes for a speedy and well-grounded Peace And seeing your Lordships have done us the honour to meet with us in this free and brotherly Conference we do expect that you will concurre and assent to this Proposition or propound a better expedient for the good of both Kingdomes But if the honourable Houses will not admit of this Proposition our next desire is that it may appeare no lawfull and possible meanes are left unassayed which may procure a happy agreement betwixt the King and his Parliaments and for our further exoneration That Commissioners may yet once more be sent from both kingdomes to his Majesty to shew the meaning of our Propositions and to assert them and to heare the Kings doubts and difficulties and desires who may further intimate that if his Majesty shall not give a satisfactory answer to the Propositions then both kingdomes will without making any such further application to him take such course as they shall judge fittest for the peace and security of the kingdomes And as at the opening of this Conference I did begin with an humble lawfull and laudable desire for unity in relation the King and amongst our selves so shall I close in the same dialict for the first of Religion if we do remember our vowes to God to performe them and uniformity according to our Covenant we may certainly expect that God will crown this great work wherin he hath honored us to be actors with his blessing but if in place of uniformity which we are obliged to endeavor there shall be a toleration of all Sects and sores of Religion and if we neglect to build the house of God and become insolent upon our successes although we could mount up with Eagles wings and build our nests as high as the starres and had an army who for valor and strength could march to Constantinople God shall lay our glory low in he dust and suffer the work to fall in our hands like the confusion of Babell And whatever hath been moved by us concerning the King we desire it may be rightly constructed as proceeding from such as have not wavered from their first principles for when the King was in the height of his power we did not and I hope never shall flatter him and when the enemy was in the height of their pride and strength Scotland did feare no colours and now when the King is at his lowest ebb and hath cast himselfe into our Army for safety we hope your Lordships will pardon us from our sense of honour and duty to be very tender of the person and posterity of the King to whom we have so many neer relations and not like the worse of us that we cannot so farre forget our allegeance and duty as not to have an antipathy against the change of Monarchicall government in which we have lived through the descent of so many Kings and under which both Kingdoms have been governed so many ages and flourished in al● happinesse And now my last word shall be for constant unity between the Kingdoms which as it hath been the chiefe meanes to pr●mote the great worke wherein both kingdoms are so deepely engaged so there is nothing can make us so informidable to our enemies nor so much ayding one to another as the cherishing and continuing thereof and I dare say that no man would divide the one from the other but such as desire to fish in troubled waters and are reall enemies to both God hath blest the ioynt endeavours of both Nations both are in one ship and are come through a very great storme and now when we are come into the harbour it would be great shame to both to split upon the rocks of division devorato bove deficere in cauda and your Lordships may be confident that Scotland who have esteemed no hazard too great for setling of Religion and love to their Brethren will stick so fast firmly to you so ●ong as you hold the principles of your Covenant as no feare nor favour will ever be able to divide them from you and we do expect that reciprocall amity which may perpetuate our 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