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A40718 A parallel wherein it appears that the Socinian agrees with the papist, if not exceeds him in idolatry, antiscripturism and fanaticism / by Francis Fullwood ... Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1693 (1693) Wing F2513; ESTC R38752 24,721 38

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other point lies deeper in the Foundation seeing upon it depends that Resolution whether our Saviour had a being before he was born of the Virgin or no and that is whether our Saviour had a Being with his Father in Heaven before he was born of the Virgin or whether he had not been in Heaven before but ascended or was taken up thither only after he was so born and had been sometime in the Flesh Now the Holy Scriptures abounding with so many plain proofs that our Saviour came down from Heaven Nine or Ten times asserted in that one Chapter the Sixth of St. John Socinus and his Followers dare not do not deny it But 't is so essential to their Religion to deny that our Saviour had any Being before he was Born of the Virgin and in consequence to support their whole Fabrick upon this Hypothesis they at last found out a Salvo to reconcile the contradiction tho' at first they had different Notions and did hesitate about it yet at last they seem to agree and do now unanimously affirm that after our Saviour was born of the Virgin he was taken up into Heaven and then coming down again he is said to come down from Heaven so often in the Scriptures Then this is the very Root Foundation and Corner Stone upon which Socinianism is framed and supported that our Saviour after he was born of the Virgin was taken up in the Flesh into Heaven to receive instructions from his Father for the Salvation of Mankind Now to apply to our purpose if this great point upon Application which Socinianism so intirely depends have no Foundation either in the Word of God or sound Reason and be founded only in Dream or Phansie or presumptive Invention to save the Fabrick their great Hypothesis from sinking or rather in pretended Inspiration or Revelation is not Socinianism as truly Phanatical and Enthusiastical as the Papacy not to say Mahomatism If they are so daring as to affirm 't is to be found in the Not in Scripture Scripture they ought to be so kind to us and so just to their Cause as to shew us where They seem to make us some resemblance of our Lords Assention into Heaven as a Man in Moses's being in the Mount with God and St. Pauls Rapture into the third Heaven but it was St. Paul and Moses where do we find any such thing said of Christ unless it were upon Mount Tabor but that will not serve their purpose 'T is plain our Lord came down from Heaven Our Doctrine is certain that he was there And the Text is evident that he came down from Heaven before he is said to have Ascended And he that came down from Heaven and was on Earth in his Humanity was still equally in Heaven in his Divinity all this is plain Scripture John 3. 13. No Man hath ascended up into Heaven but he that came down from Heaven even the Son of Man which is in Heaven But where are we told that our Lord in Flesh ascended up into Heaven and then came down again Certainly if this be the Truth that must support so much of Religion 't would have been recorded somewhere in the Scripture and not have been reserved in Silence and Mystery Especially seeing the Socinians themselves observe even with boasting the Fulness as well as the Clearness of those Holy Writings with respect to every thing necessary to be believed methinks their own great Reason should force them to confess that so great a point ought not to be believed by themselves or obtruded upon the World seeing it is no where to be found in those Sacred Books That 't is not to be found therein appears evidently by some observations touching the difference among the Socinians themselves and the difficulties they encounter'd with before they resolved to be satisfied about it First They began to play with the Scripture as they use to do in other matters and pretended a strange discovery of a Figurative Sence and interpreted our Saviours being in Heaven either by his Heavenly Meditations or Divine Knowledge But when he came down did he leave behind him his such Meditation and Knowledge This Non-sence Socinus was soon ashamed of and came to this Resolution that our Saviour after he was in the Flesh did ascend in Person into Heaven but upon the Time when he did so he and his Followers were not agreed Secondly This is the Second difficulty wherein they were plunged that upon a supposition that Christ was taken up into Heaven when it should be Some of them say it was when he was Twelve Years Old and when his Parents missed him As Wo●zog Schilict Crellius and after three days found him amongst the Doctors Others of great name amongst them suppose it was during his being Forty days in the Wilderness and this now seems to be the general and current Opinion with them But do these Texts say any thing else but that our Saviour was in the Temple when his Parents sought him and that he was in the Wilderness tempted of the Devil an odd discription of Heaven these places of Scripture then will not do Have they any other We hear of no other and therefore we may be bold to conclude there is no ground in Scripture for that great Point that is the Basis of Socinian Religion Secondly Neither in Reason For if it be not Revealed in Scripture Not in Reason 't is beyond the Ken of the most Sagacious without a good Invention to make a Discovery of it for that which can be known only by Revelation can certainly be known no otherwise but none can possibly imagine not the most phansiful Socinian how this matter of Fact could ever fall under the rational understanding of any Man except it were revealed from Heaven If Reason could discover some plausible colour Why our Lord should be taken up into Heaven before his passion yet certainly That he was so is matter of pure Revelation and not to be known otherwise We must conclude also that this their great principle hath no more foundation in sound Reason then in the Holy Scripture That is none at all 'T is unscriptural and no reason can be given for it but the necessity of it to support an Hypothesis that falls with it or without it Thirdly and Lastly To shut up all 'T is not only not founded either Fanatick and Enthusiastical in Scripture or Reason and so Fanatical enough but 't is pure Enthusiasm even by their own Confession How much Fasting how much Study what earnest Prayers to Almighty God did Laelius Socinus pay for this rare great and notable Discovery But was it any more then Dream and Phansie if it deserve not a worse name tho' it commenced Enthusiasm I shall end with that smart and pertinent Reflection of the present Learned Dean of St. Pauls in his late excellent Treatise of the Blessed Trinity p. 143. Speaking of this Text that Christ came down from Heaven Did Socinus saith he find it so easie a matter to reconcile this Text to his darling Opinion when he was fain to fast and pray for it and pretend Revelation because he wanted Reason to support it O Merciful GOD who hast made all Men and hatest nothing that thou hast made nor wouldest the death of a Sinner but rather that he should be Converted and live have Mercy upon all Jews Turks Infidels and Heriticks and take from them all Ignorance hardness of Heart and contempt of thy Word and so fetch them home Blessed Lord to thy Flock that they may be saved among the Remnant of the true Israelites and be made one Fold under one Shepheard JESVS CHRIST our Lord who liveth and Reigneth with Thee and the Holy Spirit One God World without End FINIS