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A41279 Thomas Crisp's envy detected and folly manifested herein and the addition following by R.R. being an answer to his book entituled, The fourth part of Babels, &c. / by J.F. Junior. Field, John, 1652-1723.; Richardson, Richard, 1623?-1689. 1682 (1682) Wing F867; ESTC R40222 19,401 26

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otherwise P. 18. T. C. saith As for those black sins of paying Tythes and Marrying by Priests so often charged on T. C. by S. C. and his Confederates on which J. F. hath grounded his Bull of Excommunication against me And say they have no Vnity with me Note Why Thomas dost thou say thou hast Unity with us that thou art so Angry at that Paper thou callest my Bull as to use my Name seven times in a page and more than four times seven in thy three Sheets and half of Babel c. because that paper saith thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends c. Prethee Thomas is this a breach of that Reveased will of God thou speakest of p. 12. to say thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends that thou art so Angry to term and compare me to an Inquisition Officer This is not the way to convince me that the Spirit of Christ in the Heart moves thee thus to write or rather scribble against me and Friends whatever thy Conceits are of promoting and contending for the Rule of the Gospel of the Spirit of Christ in the heart * I suppose you may know whose Phrases these are And my desire is that I and all tender-hearted honest Friends may never know the Rule nor Government of that Spirit thou art led and instigated by thus to vent thy malicious words prating like some of old against the Truth And in the 19 page T. C. saith And on other discourse with J.F. the next day per ceiving he intended to publish it did say hemight do it therefore consented to his writing those words Note Yes Thomas and to the Printing of them too thou consented otherwise for all what thou sayst thou perceived I Intended it had never been Printed as it was And I question not but thou and P.E. then in company with thee knows and may remember that thou said vauntingly it would cover or hide but a little spot of the Beast c. and took a Copy of it with thee And in the 21 page T.C. saith If you were in the Eternal Spirit as J.F. falsly says your Vnity would not stand in forms and Ceremonies and Orders Note Prethee Thomas who ever said it did sure it was not J. F. that hath been so often termed false Witness c. for saying it was in the Eternal Spirit don't quarrel and fight thus with thy own Shadow or sancy who in thy Babilonish Spirit would insinuate as if Friends Unity were in Ceremonies and Orders which we deny though we own the order of the Gospel and Law of Life and what are the products of the Spirit of Truth and that which it leads into and tends to vertue and good Report and to the Testifying against vice and looseness and that which would bring an ill Report though thou mayst scoffingly call them G. F's Orders and Laws c. and though to our grief some who for want of keeping in the holy fear of God and a diligent waiting upon him in lowliness of mind therein to be guided by his Wisdom and Councel have not so practised them as they ought which hath been as a Feast to thee and such as thee and a grief to the tender and upright hearted yet this doth not prove those wholsom Instructions of Friends which thou scoffingly calls Order bad T.C. in the 2 page saith The Apostles said who have not the Spirit of Christ are not his therefore no wonder that they give such black names to them who cannot give up all their Faith and Consciences to their Womens Meetings hereby it is proved that G. F ' s c. Vniver sal Spirit is not that of Christ and the Apostles and Ancient Friends therefore not the same but a private Spirit or Party which adore him and his Laws as S.E. and C.T. have done Note T. C's wicked and ungodly Insinuation as if Friends required people to give up all their Faith and Consciences to Womens Meetings which is as much as if he said Friends required persons to have no Faith in Christ nor no Conscience to deal justly c. for if they must give up all to them they leave none for any thing else let the Reader now judge whether T. C. hath the Spirit of Christ or is excited thereby thus to write yea or nay that thus insinuates for though I believe Christ is served in the Womens Meetings and that they are according to his mind yet I don't place All my Faith and Conscience in them neither doth this prove that G. F. c. Universal Spirit by which I take him to mean that Universal Spirit G. F. and Friends bear Testimony of and direct unto is not the Spirit of Christ the Apostles and Ancient Friends but a private Spirit which adore him and his Laws for I charge it upon T. C. as a grand untruth or a Lye For T.C. to say S. E. and C.T. have ador'd or worship'd C. F. or his Laws for I affirm all true and Spiritual Worship which is the Worship we own is only due unto God and Christ and is performed in the Holy Spirit T. C. in the 10th page saith That G. F. c. will not admit that any have the least measure of the Spirit that subnot to his Laws Note This is another of his untruths or Lies for it s well known he hath often testified unto the Universality of the Grace and Spirit of God and hath said with the Apostle that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal In the 11th page T. C. saith Whereby it is manifest what high Esteem and great Authority you Ascribe to your Orders that the bare obeying them can Acquit in Gods sight Note This is another of T. C's great and palpable untruths or Lyes and Thomas prove if thou canst that any owned by us so high Esteem and ascribed such great Authority to those Good Orders and wholsome Instructions given by the Spirit of the Lord through his Servants concerning the outward Conversation and performance of things amongst the People of God which thou in dirision commonly calls G. F. orders c. For we are of the Apostles mind that some may retain the form of Godliness and be out of and Enimies to the power thereof and such never were nor are owned by the Lord God nor his faithful people for Hypocrisy was and is an Abmination unto the Lord. And a blind Sacrifice was neither under Law nor Gospel owned by him And they that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power and Enimies to it are not acquitted in Gods sight for being in the form neither can they that are Born of God have Unity with them that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power thereof though we say its possible as it was in the Apostles days that some may have the outward form of Godliness to wit a profession of the Light Grace Spirit
and Power of God and yet be out of and Enimies to the same but we know and therefore say that they that walk in the Light Spirit Grace and power of God the same gives them a good understanding and accordingly leads them in their Doctrine life and Conversation into a sound Christian form and order for as the Apostle said God is the God of order and not of Confusion in all the Churches of the Saints Page 20 T.C. saith And for J.F. to say their Vnity stands in the Eternal Spirit it is false for it is manifest to be in forms and needless Ceremonies for such as Conform and preach them up have been and are guilty of shameful Miscarriages and yet they are Suffered to continue as Preachers and no Judgment or Excommunication against them as out of Vnity and they have received what they have given and Spent on them of others Estates and not from the Vniver sal Spirit of God Note This I Charge upon T. C. as a grand and fivefold untruth or Lye until he proves it which I am well Satisfied he never can though he would by this and such like ungodly unchristian and abominable falshood begett jealousies in the mind of some against them that God hath raised up to publish his Truth and that sreely give up to spend and be spent in the Service of it and seek not any earthly thing but the glory of God and Exaitation of his Truth according to their several measures and gifts and have a Testimony from God in their hearts against that lying Spirit that hath entred him and his Abettors which if he and they Repent not of the plagues and Judgments of the Lords will certainly be their portion to all Eternity for no Lyar can enter the Kingdom of God For the Lake that burns with Fire and Brimstone which is the second Death is their portion Oh! that God may if it be his Will give T.C. and them a Heart to Repent before it 's too late In T. C's Postscript he saith Also that grand falshood of J. Feild's asserted in his Bull of disowning me c. Note Disowning thee for my part I have known thee some years but never knew thou wast owned by Friends or the People called Quakers or was one of them for I never so looked upon thee I am sure T. C. also in his Postseript speaks concerning the use of the word Company And saith Although the same used by G.F.J. Feild S. Ecdes c. are Guilty of Note J. Feild denysthat there is any such word viz. as Company in that he writ And charges it upon thee among the many untruths that thou hast writ concerning him and Friends some and but some of which he hath here set down I shall now say little more to this Babel Builder but set down the words of the paper which he calls mine and hath help't to fill his book with which he omitted and shew how he hath perverted them to make them speak to his mind and Answer his corrupt end and vain Conceit the words he left out are these viz. Which leads all them that are faithful thereunto to be Now Read what he hath so often mentioned with these words to them as they were in that paper And it s thus Friends unity and fellowship stands in that Etemal Spirit which leads all them that are faithful thereunto to be all of one mind and to speake the same thing and by the same Spirit a remnant are Joyned together in the same mind and in the same Judgment among whom there is no Division and these with the one mind and mouth glorify God and serve him even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ with one mind and one accord c. Pray now where 's John Feuds false Assertion or grand falshood For J. F. never said T. C. W. R. and J. W. c. were of one mind for J. S. and J. W. says The payment of Cythes as at this day is Antichristian but T. C. saith It s his Principle to pay Tythes and Marry by a Priest and hath practiced accordingly in paying Tythes c. Now if J. F. had said these were of one mind and Judgment and spake the same thing T. C. might well have termed it false or a grand falshood Neither did J. F. say that those that are not faithful to the Spirit of God were of one mind And J. F. would not have T. C. say the Spirit of God is not at unity with it self nor that them that are led thereby not at Unity one with another least he thereby Contracts more guilt upon his Soul and affirms that which he may as for his other unfruitful words and works of darkness have full sore Cause to Repent of So God who is large in his mercy and Infinite in his kindness if it be his will give him a heart to Repent of these his evil works before he goes hence no more to be seen of man that they may not follow him and that these Sins may not in that dreadful day wherein God will Judge the Secrets of all hearts by Jesus Christ according to his Gospel and reward every man according to his deeds be such a weight upon him that will Sink him into the lake of endless misery and Horrible pit out of which there is no Redemption for God who knows how to deliver the Righteous out of Temptation knows how to Reserve the wicked to the day of Judgement Thomas Crisp. I am thy Friend who can and do as I have learnt of Christ freely forgive thee all thy hard speeches and false sayings concerning me Lodnon at the Bull and Mouth the 22 of the 1st month 1681 2. John Feild Jun. Postscript THere is one thing or two more that I before omitted and passed by as I have many other malicious words and falshoods of T. Crisp's for had I made a Catologue of them all I am perswaded they would have doubled if not trebled his pretended 12 falshoods set down in his Postscript of the 4 part of Babels c. In his 16 and 17 page T. G. saith But one Reason wherefore I paid that sooften mentioned as Tythes was as a Witness that I was not taught my fear by the Precepts of G. F. c. nor receive his traditions for Doctrines and that I had not Sacrificed all my faith Conscience and Judgment to his Orders your Idol to Worship that as too many both small and great do but as a Testimony against your Impositions c. Answera Is not this an ungodly Insinuation as if all faithful Friends that refuse to pay Tythes being so perswaded of God in their Consciences and not from any outward Law or order and therefore in the Lords will Suffer the Spoyle of their Goods and Imprisonment of their Bodies in Nasty Goals seperate from then render Wines Children and familys where many have ended their days in peace with God in their Christian Testimony against that great oppression