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A10609	A remonstrance: or plaine detection of some of the faults and hideous sores of such sillie syllogismes and impertinent allegations, as out of sundrie factious pamphlets and rhapsodies, are cobled vp together in a booke, entituled, A demonstration of discipline wherein also, the true state of the controuersie of most of the points in variance, is (by the way) declared.	Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629, attributed name.	1590 (1590)	STC 20881; ESTC S115774	171,783	224

Whosoeuer be not blamelesse may bee displaced Those who breake the peace of the Church and charitie as afore are not blameles Ergo they may be displaced And againe They whose calling to the ministerie is not from heauen nor outwardly lawfull by meanes of men they may be displaced Your calling to the ministerie in this Church of England is such as being vnlawful and Antichristian as you say Ergo by your owne rules you may be displaced for you were neuer well placed and as you ought to haue beene Ex ore tuo teipsum iudico serue nequam The 2. Demonstration Men carefull to discharge their dueties without impietie cannot be displaced Demonstration Such are these ministers Ergo Here is a goodlie praise and applauding to themselues Remonstrance they haue bin careful indeede to discharge that charge that their prouinciall hath laid vpon them to trouble the Church Your Maior is not necessarily true for a man may be carefull to doe his duetie and yet by preposterous zeale be caried to heresie and schisme The 3. Demonstration To depriue Gods people of spirituall comfort is wickednesse Demonstration To put to silence such ministers is to depriue Ergo To put to silence such Remonstrance is to stoppe the mouthes of the Praecision now as of the concision of olde of whom S. Augustine speaketh super 34. Psal quare in praecisione vultis magnificare nomen Domini The Maior here is as the other next afore I haue knowen a most lewde wretch who preached so commendably that the people tooke maruellous comfort to heare him and to be instructed by him yet the most partiall of your Elderships would not haue to lerated him in the ministery The 4. Demonstration That which is scandalous is an horrible sinne Demonstration To depriue the people is scandalous Ergo To the Minor It is scandall taken and not giuen Remonstrance The people had better learne nothing then learne the sinne of disobedience These reasons are as much as if a man shoulde affirme none could preach well but Schismatikes Scilicet The 5. Demonstration They whose labours God blesseth Demonstr cannot be displaced without impietie such are the ministers Ergo God doth blesse your such labours no more then Iudas his labours Remonstrance nor so much who for a while preached the Gospell yet may a bad man cast good seede into the grounde Doe as they say not as they doe saith Christ The 6. Demonstration That which giueth the enemies cause to reioyce is an offence To displace the ministers Demonstration giueth the enemie c. Ergo If any reioyce in euill let them answere for it themselues 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is a fault Remonstrance but Bishops doe their dueties to displace schismatikes that is but per accidens that it is to the reioycing of the enemie and they will not let to reioyce if an adulterous minister also be displaced being gladde that they may say such be among vs. The 7. Demonstration That which causeth the doers to be esteemed enemies to the Gospel is an heynous sinne Demonstration such is the silencing of those Ergo I answere with that sentence of Tully Non est tanta potest as in stultorum suffragijs Remonstrance There is no such estimate or reade in a fooles voyce or suffragie They are not worthie to rule in the Church that tender more what the ill aduised say of them then they doe the peace of Christes body the Church The 8. Demonstration That which letteth wickednesse to come in must needes be a sinne Demonstration To displace the ministers doth so Ergo It followeth not vpon euery sectarie ministers displacing Remonstran This is a partiall Syllogisme and in fauour of themselues No Sir I doubt not but better come in their places if they may haue like maintenance The 9. Demonstration That which interrupteth the course of the Gospell without warrant from Gods Lawe or lawe of the land is a sinne But to displace is so Ergo Demonstra It is likely this man hath beene conuented for his schisme Remonstrance and turbulencie of spirite and woulde not bee interrupted without a warrant from heauen or the lawe of the lande there is statute lawe and Canon lawe authorized by statute to plucke vp such bryers and thornes of these Malcontents out from amiddest the land and no daunger to interrupt thereby the course of the Gospel most of them preach nothing but inuectiues against things established Is this to preach the Gospel of peace The seuenteenth Chapter Assertion ADmonition belongeth to the Eldership Demonstration The 1. Demonstration 1 That which priuate men are commanded to seek vnto being offended for redresse of the offence Matth. 18.15 that is a necessary and ordinarie way for those who publikely offend 2 That which is more auaileable to repentance 3 That which maketh men more afraide to offend 4 That which hath a greater promise to doe good 5 That without which all dueties of charitie cannot be exercised toward sinners 6 That which bridleth outragious sinnes But such is the admonition of those who carry the name of the Church vz. the Eldership Ergo admonition longeth to them One Minor serueth right well for all these propositions Remonstrance That the venerable Eldership who carie the Church and beare it vp as Atlas with his shoulders Caelum humeris tor quet stellis ardentibus aptum Must giue this admonition in publike proclamation My answere hereunto is It is a sacrilegious robbery to giue and appropriate that vnto the Eldership which is proper to the ministers of the Gospel and such as exercise lawful authoritie in the Church it maketh as much for Presbiter Iohn or Iohns Eldershippe as any of your Elderships in the Church Besides I might trauerse the maior Propositions As for example Priuate reconciliation is commanded and yet no necessarie or ordinarie way to be publikely established in the Church And if admonition be necessary doeth it hereof follow it must be done and onely done by suche an Eldership The eighteenth Chapter Assertion SVspension from the Lords supper Demonstration or from an office in the Church must be by the Eldership The 1. Demonstration Whatsoeuer is enioyned as a duetie to bee done by euery Christian man if he leaue it vndone hee is to bee compelled by the gouernour of the Church Luke 14.17.23 But if a mans brother haue anie thing against him Matth. 5.24 he is to be compelled to leaue his gift Ergo Separation from the Lords supper is warranted by the worde This Demonstration is neither compound Remonstrance nor simple Syllogisme nor in any moode and figure nor proueth the Assertion any way for must it needes follow he must be suspended Ergo by the Eldership Then thus The people must haue Sacraments ministred and preaching ergo the Eldershippe must doe it If you say it is disposed according to any moode and

of seuerall circumstances for so themselues in their newe platted discipline are forced to distinguish and confesse ergo co Their Synodicall discipline c. is no good way The 4. Demonstration The Demonstrator saith Demonstration we cannot glorifie God but by obedience to his worde But in all we doe we must glorifie God ergo In all that we do we must be obedient to his worde and consequently in gouerning of his Church The Syllogisme and prosyllogisme proue nothing to the purpose Remonstrance and reproue not any thing of ours It is an obedience to the word such gouernment as ours whether ordeined by it or subordinate vnto it alwaies to be conformable to the gouernment of his worde of this sort is euery title and iote of our Liturgie and Communion booke our ceremonies our prouinciall constitutions or any lawe in force which bindeth vs to the subscription or obseruation of the booke Haue home againe this slender Syllogisme to your selfe You cannot disglorifie God Retortion but by disobedience to his word but your recusance of her Maiesties lawfull proceedings vnder God is as the sinne of witchcraft is disglorifying of God ergo in not doing or vndoing her Maiesties proceeding is disobedience to the worde The 5. Demonstration If meate and drinke cannot be sanctified but by the worde praier Demonstration much lesse any thing is holie in action of gouerning the Church that is besides the worde but the first is true ergo the second This Syllogisme is connexiue Remonstrance il fauouredly knit together the sequell of the Antecedent must be distinguished If you meane besides the worde contrary or repugnant to the worde no man will deny the consequence of the first and then all this threede is euill spunne it maketh nothing to the purpose But if by Besides the worde you vnderstand all comprehended vnder the generall precepts thereof you must begin to knit a newe demonstration else your whole discipline frame fals on your head I therefore retort your argument thus If euery creature vnder heauen 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Retortion be good and not to be reiected because it is sanctified by praier and the worde then much more 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 euery humaine creature or ordinance which commeth downe from heauen which is often sanctified by praier and the word but the former is true ergo the later And by consequence euery deale of our Church discipline pollicie is of God vnto which you must submit or else be rebels against God for you cannot proue it repugnant to Gods word The 6. Demonstration All lawfull things are of faith Rom. 14.23 v. Demonstration All lawfull things of faith are warranted by the worde ergo All lawfull things are warranted by the worde and consequently euery lawfull action in the gouernment of the Church The state of the question that you make is Remonstrance Whether euery lawfull action be warranted by the worde the right state of the question is whether euery sere and singular action for Church externall pollicie must be in so many letters expressed or immediately to be gathered of the worde You may not passe away thus in cloudes of generalitie To the Maior viz. All lawfull things are of faith Falsification of the text by the Demonstrator Maledicta glossa quae corrumpit textum You corrupt the text the text is All that is not of faith is sinne not all lawfull things are of faith for all good artes and sciences be lawfull but not of faith for Heathens inuented and practised most of them The Maior neither is true in the allegation nor in the conuersion of the termes true which in a demonstration is requisite for all faithfull things are lawful not all lawfull things are faithfull This poison is not worth a counter you must runne a begging for a better Demonstration to the Counterpoysoner whence this was borrowed To the Maior Minor and Conclusion The whole Syllogisme is faulty All lawfull things are of faith All lawfull things of faith are warranted in the worde ergo All lawfull things are warranted in the worde Transposition of termes makes no Syllogisme in direct concluding moodes Nowe for the consequencie It is ab angulo ad baculum from the corner to the staffe All lawfull things of faith are warrantable by the worde ergo All lawfull things are warrantable by the word The Demonstrator neuer learned this Logike Ab oratione secundùm quid sumpta cum determinatione ad orationem sumptam simpliciter sine determinatione non valet argumētum The reason is all alike All fastes or daies of abstinence commanded by the Church are good ergo all fastes yea vpon the Lordes day are also good whether commanded or not commanded The 7. Demonstration Either God hath left a prescript forme of gouernment nowe or else he is lesse carefull vnder the Newe Testament then vnder the Olde Demonstration But he is as carefull nowe ergo This disiunctiue desperately setteth all out of tune Remonstrance Either God hath made a prescript forme of gouernment or he is a carelesse God These men care not what they say it maketh against themselues whatsoeuer they say The assumption is presumption by a tricke of Logike to accuse God of carelesnes To the Antecedent The Antecedent is most false when both partes are false Either he hath prescribed as they would haue described or the diuine Maiestie is a carelesse God O carelesse diuinitie When both partes of a Dilemma or disiunctiue are false a bare negatiue might serue but neither hath God giuen a prescript forme of accidentall or externall gouernment as themselues with shame enough at last confesse neither is he at any time a carelesse God Euery point of discipline is not disclosed in the lawe euery particular case incident is not reckoned there the lippes of the Priest must preserue knowledge the breast of the High Priest keepe Vrim and Thumim light and perfection of holinesse and knowledge When a hard case riseth resort must be to the high priest or Iudge in the land Rom. 8. As for so much as is prescribed in the new law or law of spirite of life no prescription ought to bee made against it where the word leaueth of for diuersitie of gouernment it leaueth all the rest to a Christian libertie to the Christian magistracie to the holy ministerie to keepe vs within awe But see now this argument reboundeth from the wall of your discipline vpon your faces Retortion of the argument Either God hath giuen a Christian libertie and for the right vse there of the gifts of gouernment 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1. Cor. 12. by the perpetuall pledge and operation of his spirite or else he tieth vs to the ceremoniall obseruances and policie of the law to be schooled vnder them God is not tied vnto vs. But God hath not by any prescript forme tied vs to that part of the law neither doeth

answered before cap. 1. not to concerne any pollicie of Elders Remonstrance but to keepe the general commandement of the lawe of the spirite of life they might as well say that the commaundement to drinke no water were meant by that place The holie ghost hath there warily vsed the singuler number 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which nowe you woulde make to pertaine to the perpetuitie of euerie thing conteined in that Epistle if it did so yet could it not helpe you for there is no such commandement for anie such Elders in that whole Epistle no nor anie mention by the way of them The 17. Demonstration That which is in euery ministers commission must be in euery congregation Demonstration But the ordination and practise of this office Mat. 28.20 is so or els they ordeined elders without warrant from Christ Ergo they must be in euery congregation Ex nihilo nihil fit Of nothing commeth nothing Remonstrance This is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a great space betwene these two go 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 make Disciples or teache all nations Ergo make vnpreaching Presbyters in all nations This the Demonstrationer made the Ministers Commission afore and is it nowe the Commission for vnteaching Elders to be ordained in euery place The reason of the Minor is false for neyther made they any such Elders in euery congregation neither doeth their authoritie for ordinations and sundry other points of Church-gourernment depend only vpon that Commission which respected the ministery of the word and Sacraments The 18. Demonstration Where a Bishop must be Demonstration Elders must be A Bishop must be in euery Congregation Ergo Elders This Demonstration is no guest but an ordinarie seruant Remonstrance for this serueth your turne often 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The one of these is no better knowne then the other there must be parish Bishops Ergo parish elders And it followeth not by any coherence any more then this There must bee a Constable in euery towne Ergo 24. Aldermen The 19. Demonstration If the Apostles established one vniforme order in al Churches Demonstration then there must be Elders in euery congregation but the first is true Ergo the second For S. Paul saith thus I teach in all Congregations To the Antecedent This is the fallacie of consequence Remonstrance The Apostles did stablish vniformitie for essentiall points of discipline but left not any policy for Lay elders The consecution of the maior is false Can there be none vniformity except such your Elders were euery where appoynted who indeede were nowhere To the Assumption S. Paul might very well leaue all pointes of wholesome doctrine all good order for the Church but neuer institute the particularities of your discipline The 1. Obiection of the Demonstrator God hath giuen soueraigne authoritie ouer the Church to Christian Magistrates Demonstration which these Elders would abridge Answere of the Demonstrator No more then the eldership in Dauids time did abridge Dauids soueraignty ouer all Israel for his gouernment is temporall theirs is spirituall O foolish answere Remonstrance and fond conceite of an imaginable Elderdership in Dauids time who can abide this Master Elders haue spirituall gouernment but Kings and Queenes noursing fathers and mothers of the Church haue but ciuill and temporall gouernement onely ô tempora ô mores or as the learned discourse saith The prince is but a feeling member of the church the heads and chiefe gouernors are the ecclesiasticall Aldermen or presbyterie of the Church That yours abridge the Queenes soueraigntie is a little touched afore and shall more plainlie be shewed when you are at leasure to heare The 2. Obiection of the Demonstrator Demonstration Gualt 1. Cor. 5. denieth the presbyterie to be needfull vnder a christian magistrate Answer of the Demonstrator Gualter denieth excommunication to be lawfull vnder a Christian magistrate He is as partiall as D. Whitgift It may be Gualter and others may denie it to be of the essence of a Church or rash excommunication Remonstrance with reply then the which nothing is more Anabaptisticall or where hope of repentance is he is not partiall nor he that taketh part in a good cause As for Gualters opinion if hee vtterly denie excommunication Pro Coelio Nolo cuiusquam fortis illustris viri vel minimum erratum cum maxima laude coniungere But it is vntrue to say he simplie denieth it or if hee did erre herein doth he therefore erre in the other But if you can so soone shake off Gualter in this point for his errout as you fansie in the other then may we also reiect Caluin in a matter whereof he was first father for his error against the lawfull supremacie of Christian princes in causes ecclesiasticall The 3. Obiection of the Demonstrator Demonstration The Prince hath the authoritie which the Elders had Answer That is no truer then to say the Prince hath authoritie to preach which he must see done The Eldership you say may make ecclesiasticall lawes Remonstrance with replie may censure and excommunicate In taking these from the Prince to be done by her Delegates doe you not denie her Supremacie as for any ordaining shee may euen as well as your Eldership doe it but God forbid shee should claime it as they very absurdly doe HIErgo by this grosse position the prince must waite in euery place to see the elderships their dueties done but it is certaine Ex quolibet sequitur quidlibet in maintaining this imagination as for the Prince to see it done by your Elderships is a seruilitie and no soueraigntie especially when you say and T.C. before you that the princes must subiect them selues and submit their scepters and throwe downe their crownes before the Church and for the Church you roundly interprete the Presbyterie Absurditie of the Demonstrator Princes must lieprostrate to the Presbyterie And if your Elderships in deede haue this authoritie by their right in causes ecclesiasticall which the Prince must but see done then doe not they slaunder you which say you giue to the Prince potestatem facti non iuris and so yeelde her iust as large a supremacie as the Papistes doe Demonstrations to proue the eldershippe necessarie vnder Christian princes as in the Apostles time The 1. Demonstration The lesse able the ministers are to direct in godlines Demonstration the more neede they haue of Elders but ministers nowe vnder Christian magistrates are lesse able by reason of ease and peace Ergo. To the Maior Nay the more neede they haue of preachers and labourers in the haruest Remonstrance the more neede of discreete ouerseers not those pragmaticall busie-body elders To the Minor Doe not say that Salomon forbiddeth you say the dayes are worser nowe rather then the dayes of olde for that were a foolish thing Our dayes are blessed dayes blesse God for them This fallacie is secundùm non causam vt