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A75437 An ansvver to the nevv motions or, A serious and briefe discussion of certaine motions now in question. 1641 (1641) Wing A3427; Thomason E205_4; ESTC R15235 10,697 25

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AN ANSWER TO THE NEW MOTIONS OR A serious and briefe Discussion of certaine MOTIONS now in question MOLLIA CVM DVRIS LONDON Printed for Robert Bostook 1641. AN ANSWER TO THE New Motions The first Demand Whether the Lord Iesus Christ hath by his last Will and Testament given unto and set in his Church sufficient Ordinary Offices with their Calling Works and Maintenance for the Administration of his holy things and for the sufficient ordinary instruction guidance and service of his Church unto the end of the World or no Answer I Had rather have answered your Reasons than these your bare Interrogatories yet because you have so proposed them I thought good thus briefly to runne over them hoping that if you have the spirit of humility you will submit to the truth To this first therefore I answer That the Lord Iesus Christ hath in his New Testament instituted perpetuall Offices in his Church and all their Callings workes and Maintenance that is The substance of all these is there appointed perpetuall but the appendant Circumstances are variable as time and persons in the Churches judgement may best require For the Tree doth stand when the leaves doe change and a man is the same though his apparrell be varied These outward fashions are so variable that herein Nationall Churches may differ one from another yea the Apostles altered divers such things themselves For first They distributed the goods of the Church to the poore and when land was sold the money was brought to their feet and they distributed to every man according to his necessity Act. 4.35 Yet afterwards upon occasion it fell out that they layd this charge from themselves upon Deacons Act. 6. For so the poore bee cared for it is not so materiall by whom it is done Againe They instituted the Love-feasts to be used with the Lords Supper Act. 2.46 Yet S. Paul did againe abrogate them at Corinth 1 Cor. 11. And for that which is in the beginning of that Chapter that women shall come and pray in publick is perpetuall but that they should come vailed which the Apostle there urgeth as then fitting is now no where thought necessary Now then the substance of Calling Offices Works and Maintenance of the Ministry remaining the outward manner of these things may vary so that according to the Apostles rule All things be done decently and in order The second Demand Whether the Offices of Pastors Teachers Elders Deacons and Helpers be those very Offices appointed by Christ in his Testament as aforesaid Or Whether the present Ecclesiasticall Offices of Archbishops Bishops Deanes Sub-deanes Prebendaries Chancellours Priests Deacons or halfe-Priests Archdeacons Commissaries Officialls Registers Proctors Apparitors Parsons Vicars Curats Stipendiaries Vagrant-Preachers Chaplaines or House-Priests Canons Petty Canons Chanters Quoristers Organists Church-wardens Sides-men and the rest now had in these Cathedrall and Parochiall Assemblies be those Offices appointed by Christ in his Testament or not Answer IT being granted That Christ hath instituted perpetuall Offices then you aske whether your five-fold Orders of Pastors Teachers Elders Deacons and Helpers or our Archbishops Bishops Deanes c. be those For yours first I say that Pastors and Teachers are indeed instituted by Christ in his Church perpetuall but they are no more yours than ours we have them as well as you for to teach and feed the flock is the work of our Ministers and the end of their Calling Herein you differ from us that you make a necessary and perpetuall difference of these two as though they were distinct Offices whereas the Apostle Epes 4. reckons them onely as Gifts hee hath given gifts unto men and couples those two together not dis-junctively as the rest Some Pastors and Teachers One Minister may and ought to doe both these Exhort and Teach as is used in our Church And the practice of the Apostles was so as appeares in all their Sermons written in the Acts. Indeed where the Auditory doth onely require instruction there exhorting may be omitted as use the Divinity Lectures in Schooles and such an one was Origen But otherwise the same Minister is to doe both by the very Apostles practice And were it not to make up your Ruling-Presbytery with variety you your selves would have no more And for your third Office of Elders if rightly understood it was founded in the Scriptures but not as you take it for you make it a third degree and office from the former and that it should signifie a Lay-Governour who should not meddle with the Word or Sacraments but onely sit among the Pastors and Doctors to Govern Such an one hath no foundation in the Word of God But rightly understood it hath and is the name of a Minister of Iesus Christ in the New Testament For he is called a Pastor and Teacher for the duties of his Ministery and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for his dignitie in the Church We translate it Elders for difference sake because in English Aaron and his Stock are translated Priests Otherwise Priest is the fittest Translation for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 according to the very letters which Latine Italian French and others have imitated Shew us now then any where Lay-Priests founded in the New Testament as we can shew your Presbyters Priests Elders call them what you will for they all speak the same order being every where taken for the Ministers of the Word Act. 10. Such Priests or Elders S. Paul sent for and telleth them of their charge which the Holy Ghost had set them to to feed the slock such he teacheth Titus to ordaine Chap. 2. and calleth them there also by another name Such doth S. Peter admonish 1. Pet. 5.1 The Prosbyters or Elders amongst you I exhort which am a Co-Presbyter c. We may not make so many Offices of the Ministers as he hath severall Names for then shall wee make more than you have or would make seeing he is named not onely Pastor Doctor Elder or Priest but also Bishop Overseer Steward Messenger Embassador Deacon and such like Thus hitherto you have not found three distinct Offices of Pastor Doctor Eldor but three Names of one and the same Office which is the Minister of the Word For Deacons their office of distributing to the poore is not so necessary for all times for which only use you would have them perpetuall for as much as they were wanting in the time of Christ for then Iudas one of the twelve bare the bagge and gave to the poore Afterwards the Apostles themselves did this when those that sold their lands for the poores releife brought it to their feet and they distributed as every one had need Acts 4.35 But when the labours of preaching and the multitude of poore encreased the Apostles laid that care upon seaven chosen men Act. 6. So did they also ordaine in other Churches for yet the Magistrate was enemy to the faith and would not either help the Minister or succour the poore because they