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whereof_o the_o soul_n be_v mere_o recipient_a and_o therefore_o the_o sole_a infuser_n the_o holy_a ghost_n must_v not_o beâ—…_n exclude_v from_o that_o work_n which_o none_o can_v do_v but_o he_o for_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o 19_o as_o symb._n nicen._n the_o holy_a ghost_n speak_v by_o the_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n et_fw-la 1._o s._n pet._n 2._o 21._o quis_fw-la modus_fw-la est_fw-la quo_fw-la doces_fw-la animas_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la futura_fw-la sunt_fw-la docuistâ—…_n enim_fw-la prophetas_fw-la tuos_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 11._o confess_v c._n 19_o he_o first_o dictate_v the_o scripture_n to_o the_o apostle_n 3._o apostle_n nec_fw-la enim_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la testimonium_fw-la aut_fw-la judicium_fw-la praedicamus_fw-la dei_fw-la spiritum_fw-la vel_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclâ—…sia_fw-la doceâ—…te_fw-la vol_fw-it à _fw-it nobis_fw-la audientibus_fw-la excludimus_fw-la sed_fw-la utrobique_fw-la disertè_fw-la includimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n stapl._n trip_n contr_n whitak_n c._n 3._o so_o do_v he_o not_o leave_v the_o church_n in_o general_a nor_o the_o true_a member_n of_o it_o in_o particular_a without_o grace_n to_o believe_v what_o himself_o have_v reveal_v and_o make_v credible_a so_o that_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v take_v for_o the_o virtue_n of_o faith_n whether_o it_o be_v of_o this_o or_o any_o other_o article_n 8._o article_n fides_n quae_fw-la caepit_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la testimonio_fw-la quatenus_fw-la proponit_fw-la &_o inducit_fw-la ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la deâ—…nit_fw-la in_o deo_fw-la intùs_fw-la revelante_fw-la &_o intùs_fw-la docente_fw-la quod_fw-la fort_n ecclesia_fw-la pradicavit_fw-la stapl._n relect._n cont._n 4._o q._n 3._o a._n 2._o when_o grave_a and_o learned_a man_n do_v sometime_o hold_v that_o of_o this_o principle_n there_o be_v no_o proof_n but_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o spirit_n etc._n etc._n i_o think_v it_o be_v not_o their_o meaning_n to_o exclude_v all_o outward_a proof_n &c_n &c_n but_o rather_o this_o that_o all_o other_o mean_n be_v uneffectual_a of_o themselves_o to_o work_v faith_n without_o the_o special_a grace_n of_o god_n hook_n etc._n etc._n lib._n 3._o §._o 8._o though_o it_o receive_v a_o kind_n of_o preparation_n or_o occasion_n of_o begin_v from_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o propose_v and_o induce_v to_o the_o faith_n yet_o it_o end_v in_o god_n reveal_v within_o and_o teach_v within_o that_o which_o the_o church_n preach_v without_o for_o till_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n move_v the_o heart_n of_o man_n he_o can_v believe_v be_v the_o object_n never_o so_o credible_a the_o speech_n be_v true_a then_o but_o quite_o d._n quite_o de_fw-fr habitu_fw-la fidei_fw-la quoad_fw-la fieri_fw-la ejus_fw-la &_o generationem_fw-la quùm_fw-la à _fw-la deo_fw-la immediatè_fw-la solo_fw-la dono_n gratuito_fw-la infusus_fw-la est_fw-la nihil_fw-la ad_fw-la quastionem_fw-la nisi_fw-la quoad_fw-la hoc_fw-la quod_fw-la per_fw-la scriptura_fw-la inspectionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n henr._n à _fw-fr gand._n sam._n a._n 10._o q._n 1._o lit_fw-fr d._n out_o of_o the_o state_n of_o this_o question_n which_o inquire_v only_o after_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o make_v this_o object_n credible_a and_o fit_a to_o be_v believe_v against_o all_o impeachment_n of_o folly_n and_o temerity_n in_o belief_n whether_o man_n do_v actual_o believe_v it_o or_o not_o for_o which_o no_o man_n may_v expect_v inward_a private_a revelation_n without_o the_o external_a mean_n of_o the_o church_n unless_o perhaps_o the_o mean_n the_o stapl._n relect._n cont._n 4._o q._n 3._o a._n 2._o do_v not_o only_o affirm_v it_o but_o prove_v it_o too_o à _fw-la paritate_fw-la rationis_fw-la in_o case_n of_o necessity_n where_o there_o be_v no_o contempt_n of_o the_o external_a mean_n case_n of_o neceâ—…ity_n be_v except_v when_o a_o man_n live_v in_o such_o a_o time_n &_o place_n as_o exclude_v he_o from_o all_o ordinary_a mean_n in_o which_o i_o dare_v not_o offer_v to_o shut_v up_o god_n from_o the_o fowl_n of_o man_n nor_o to_o tie_v he_o to_o those_o ordinary_a way_n and_o mean_n to_o which_o yet_o in_o great_a wisdom_n and_o providence_n he_o have_v tie_v and_o bind_v all_o mankind_n private_a revelation_n than_o have_v nothing_o ordinary_o to_o do_v to_o make_v the_o object_n credible_a in_o this_o that_o scripture_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o in_o any_o other_o article_n for_o the_o question_n be_v of_o such_o outward_a and_o evident_a mean_n as_o other_o man_n may_v take_v notice_n of_o as_o well_o as_o ourselves_o by_o which_o if_o there_o arise_v any_o doubt_v or_o infirmity_n in_o the_o faith_n other_o may_v strengthen_v we_o or_o we_o afford_v mean_n to_o support_v they_o whereas_o the_o 25._o the_o quid_fw-la cum_fw-la singulis_fw-la agitur_fw-la deus_fw-la scit_fw-la qui_fw-la agit_fw-fr &_o ipsi_fw-la cum_fw-la quibus_fw-la agitur_fw-la sciunt_fw-la quid_fw-la autem_fw-la agatur_fw-la cum_fw-la genere_fw-la humano_fw-la per_fw-la historiam_fw-la commendari_fw-la volâ—…it_fw-la &_o per_fw-la prophetiam_fw-la s._n aug._n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la relig._n c._n 25._o testimony_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o all_o private_a revelation_n be_v within_o nor_o feel_v nor_o see_v of_o any_o but_o he_o that_o have_v it_o so_o that_o hence_o can_v be_v draw_v no_o proof_n to_o
it_o must_v follow_v that_o christ_n shall_v be_v present_a with_o all_o his_o minister_n that_o preach_v his_o word_n to_o make_v they_o insallible_a which_o daily_a experience_n tell_v we_o be_v not_o so_o the_o three_o place_n urge_v by_o a_o c_o be_v s._n luke_n 22._o where_o the_o prayer_n of_o christ_n 3â—…_n s._n luke_n 22._o 3â—…_n will_v effect_v no_o more_o than_o his_o promise_n have_v perform_v neither_o of_o they_o imply_v a_o infallibility_n for_o or_o in_o the_o church_n against_o all_o error_n whatsoever_o and_o this_o almost_o all_o his_o own_o side_n confess_v be_v speak_v either_o of_o s._n peter_n person_n only_o or_o of_o he_o and_o his_o successor_n successor_n successor_n bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr ro._n pont_n c_o 3_o §._o est_fw-la igitur_fw-la tertia_fw-la he_o understand_v the_o place_n of_o both_o s._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n or_o both_o of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v not_o speak_v and_o therefore_o can_v prove_v a_o unerring_a power_n in_o it_o for_o how_o can_v that_o place_n prove_v the_o church_n can_v err_v which_o speak_v not_o at_o all_o of_o the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v observable_a too_o that_o when_o the_o divine_n of_o paris_n expound_v this_o place_n that_o christ_n here_o pray_v for_o s._n peter_n as_o he_o represent_v the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n and_o obtain_v for_o it_o that_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n nunquam_fw-la deficeret_fw-la shall_v never_o so_o err_v as_o quite_o to_o fall_v away_o 1._o away_o quae_fw-la expositio_fw-la falsa_fw-la est_fw-la primò_fw-la quia_fw-la etc._n etc._n bell._n ibid._n §._o 2._o and_o he_o say_v it_o be_v false_a because_o the_o parisiâ—…ns_n expound_v it_o of_o the_o church_n only_o uolunt_fw-la enim_fw-la prosolâ_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la esse_fw-la â—…ratum_fw-la ibid._n §._o 1._o bellarmine_n be_v so_o stiff_a for_o the_o pope_n that_o he_o say_v express_o this_o exposition_n of_o the_o parisian_n be_v false_a and_o that_o this_o text_n can_v be_v mean_v of_o the_o catholic_a church_n not_o be_v mean_v of_o it_o then_o certain_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v allege_v as_o prooâ—…e_n of_o it_o as_o here_o it_o be_v by_o a._n c._n the_o four_o place_n name_v by_o a._n c._n be_v s._n john_n 14._o and_o the_o consequent_a place_n to_o it_o 13._o a._n c._n p._n 57_o s._n joh._n 14._o 16._o 17._o s._n john_n 10._o 13._o s._n john_n 16_o these_o place_n contain_v a_o other_o promise_n of_o christ_n concern_v the_o come_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n thus_o that_o the_o comforter_n shall_v abide_v with_o they_o forever_o that_o this_o comforter_n be_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n and_o that_o this_o spirit_n of_o truth_n will_v lead_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n now_o this_o promise_n as_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o church_n consist_v of_o all_o believer_n which_o be_v and_o have_v be_v since_o christ_n appear_v in_o the_o flesh_n include_v the_o apostle_n be_v thing_n be_v field_n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 2._o free_a from_o all_o errâ—…ur_n and_o ignorance_n of_o divine_a thing_n absolute_a and_o without_o any_o restriction_n for_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v lead_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n so_o that_o no_o error_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o that_o church_n but_o as_o it_o be_v appliable_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n militant_a in_o all_o succeed_a time_n so_o the_o promise_n be_v make_v with_o a_o limitation_n 15._o limitation_n and_o theodoret_n proceed_v far_o and_o say_v neque_fw-la divini_fw-la prophetae_fw-la neque_fw-la mirabiles_fw-la apostoli_fw-la omne_fw-la praesciverunt_fw-la quae_fw-la cunque_fw-la enim_fw-la expediebant_fw-la ea_fw-la illis_fw-la significavit_fw-la gratia_fw-la spiritûs_fw-la theod._n in_o 1._o tim._n 3._o v._n 14_o 15._o namely_o that_o the_o bless_a spirit_n shall_v abide_v with_o the_o church_n for_o ever_o and_o lead_v it_o into_o all_o truth_n but_o not_o simple_o into_o all_o curious_a truth_n no_o not_o in_o or_o about_o the_o faith_n but_o into_o all_o truth_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o against_o this_o truth_n the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n can_v err_v keep_v herself_o to_o the_o direction_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o christ_n have_v appoint_v she_o for_o in_o this_o very_a place_n where_o the_o promise_n be_v make_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n shall_v teach_v you_o all_o thing_n it_o be_v add_v that_o he_o shall_v bring_v all_o thing_n to_o their_o remembrance_n what_o simple_o all_o thing_n no_o but_o all_o thing_n which_o christ_n have_v tell_v they_o s._n joh._n 14._o so_o there_o be_v a_o limitation_n 26._o s._n joh._n 14._o 26._o put_v upon_o the_o word_n by_o christ_n himself_o and_o if_o the_o church_n will_v not_o err_v it_o must_v not_o ravell_v curious_o into_o unnecessary_a truth_n which_o be_v out_o of_o the_o promise_n nor_o follow_v any_o other_o guide_n then_o the_o doctrine_n which_o christ_n have_v leave_v behind_o he_o to_o govern_v it_o for_o if_o it_o will_v come_v to_o the_o end_n it_o must_v keep_v in_o the_o way_n and_o christ_n who_o promise_v the_o spirit_n shall_v lead_v have_v no_o where_o promise_v that_o it_o shall_v follow_v its_o leader_n into_o all_o truth_n and_o at_o least_o infallible_o unless_o you_o will_v limit_v as_o before_o so_o no_o one_o of_o these_o place_n can_v make_v good_a a._n c_o s._n assertion_n that_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v err_v general_o in_o any_o one_o point_n of_o divine_a truth_n in_o absolute_a foundation_n 5._o foundation_n §._o 21._o nu._n 5._o she_o can_v in_o deduction_n and_o superstructure_n she_o may_v now_o to_o all_o that_o i_o have_v say_v concern_v the_o right_n which_o particular_a church_n have_v to_o reform_v themselves_o when_o the_o general_n church_n can_v for_o impediment_n or_o will_v not_o for_o negligence_n which_o i_o have_v prove_v at_o large_a 57_o large_a §_o 24_o n_n 1_o 2_o etc._n etc._n a._n c._n p._n 57_o before_o all_z the_o answer_n that_o a._n c._n give_v be_v first_o quo_fw-la judice_fw-la who_o shall_v be_v judge_n and_o that_o shall_v be_v the_o scripture_n and_o the_o 4._o the_o si_fw-mi de_fw-fr modica_fw-la quaestione_fw-la disceptatio_fw-la esset_fw-la nun_n oporteret_fw-la in_o antiquissimas_fw-la recurrere_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la in_fw-la quibus_fw-la apostoli_fw-la conversati_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la its_o de_fw-la praesenti_fw-la quaestione_fw-la sumere_fw-la quod_fw-la certum_fw-la &_o liquidum_fw-la est_fw-la quid_fw-la autem_fw-la si_fw-la neque_fw-la apostoli_fw-la quidem_fw-la scripturas_fw-la reliquissent_fw-la nobis_fw-la nun_n oportebat_fw-la ordinem_fw-la sequi_fw-la traditionis_fw-la etc._n etc._n irenaeus_n l._n 8._o advers._fw-la hare_n c._n 4._o primitive_a church_n and_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o one_o and_o to_o the_o integrity_n of_o the_o other_o both_o in_o faith_n and_o manner_n any_o particular_a church_n may_v safe_o reform_v itself_o second_o that_o no_o reformation_n in_o faith_n can_v be_v needful_a in_o the_o general_n church_n but_o only_o in_o particular_a church_n in_o which_o case_n also_o he_o say_v particular_a church_n may_v not_o 58._o a._n c_o p._n 58._o take_v upon_o they_o to_o judge_n and_o condemn_v other_o of_o error_n in_o faith_n well_o how_o far_o forth_o reformation_n even_o of_o faith_n may_v be_v necessary_a in_o the_o general_n church_n i_o have_v express_v 4._o express_v §._o 25._o nu._n 4._o already_o and_o for_o particular_a church_n i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o they_o must_v take_v upon_o they_o to_o judge_n or_o condemn_v other_o of_o error_n in_o faith_n that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v they_o may_v reform_v themselves_o now_o i_o hope_v to_o reform_v themselves_o and_o to_o condemn_v other_o be_v two_o different_a work_n unless_o it_o fall_v out_o so_o that_o by_o reform_v themselves_o they_o do_v by_o consequence_n condemn_v any_o other_o that_o be_v guilty_a in_o that_o point_n in_o which_o they_o reform_v themselves_o and_o so_o far_o to_o judge_n and_o condemn_v other_o be_v not_o only_o lawful_a but_o necessary_a a_o man_n that_o live_v religious_o do_v not_o by_o and_o by_o sit_v in_o judgement_n and_o condemn_v with_o his_o mouth_n all_o profane_a liver_n but_o yet_o while_o he_o be_v silent_a his_o very_a life_n condemn_v they_o and_o i_o hope_v in_o this_o way_n of_o judicature_n a._n c._n dare_v not_o say_v it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o man_n to_o condemn_v another_o and_o far_o whatsoever_o a._n c._n can_v say_v to_o the_o contrary_a there_o be_v diverse_a case_n where_o heresy_n be_v know_v and_o notorious_a in_o which_o it_o will_v be_v hard_a to_o say_v as_o he_o do_v that_o 58._o a._n c._n p._n 58._o one_o particular_a church_n must_v not_o judge_n or_o condemn_v another_o so_o far_o forth_o at_o least_o as_o to_o abhor_v and_o protest_v against_o the_o heresy_n of_o it_o three_o if_o one_o particular_a church_n may_v not_o judge_n or_o condemn_v another_o what_o must_v then_o be_v do_v where_o particular_n need_v reformation_n what_o why_o
2._o even_o â—…tsi_fw-la christus_fw-la adsit_fw-la in_o medio_fw-la talium_fw-la non_fw-la adest_fw-la tamen_fw-la ad_fw-la omnem_fw-la effectum_fw-la aut_fw-la ad_fw-la hunc_fw-la qui_fw-la est_fw-la judicare_fw-la de_fw-fr fide_fw-la staple_n relect_v controu._n 6._o q._n 3._o a._n 4._o sed_fw-la nec_fw-la illi_fw-la semper_fw-la ad_fw-la deum_fw-la respiciunt_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o medio_fw-la eorum_fw-la est_fw-la neâ—…_n deus_fw-la sic_fw-la adest_fw-la iiâ—…_n qui_fw-la respiciunt_fw-la ad_fw-la ipsum_fw-la ut_fw-la omnem_fw-la veritatem_fw-la doceat_fw-la in_o instanti_fw-la &_o omni_fw-la tempore_fw-la simul_fw-la etc._n etc._n junius_n in_o bellar._n l._n 2._o the_o council_n c._n 2._o necessary_a thing_n infallible_o grant_v unto_o they_o as_o oft_o as_o they_o ask_v if_o they_o ask_v not_o as_o well_o as_o they_o ought_v as_o what_o they_o ought_v and_o yet_o most_o true_a it_o be_v that_o where_o more_o or_o few_o be_v gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n there_o be_v he_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o but_o to_o assist_v and_o to_o grant_v whatsoever_o he_o shall_v find_v fit_a for_o they_o not_o infallible_o whatsoever_o they_o shall_v think_v fit_a to_o ask_v for_o themselves_o and_o therefore_o s._n cyprian_n though_o he_o use_v this_o very_a argument_n a_o minori_fw-la ad_fw-la majus_fw-la from_o the_o less_o to_o the_o great_a yet_o he_o presume_v not_o to_o extend_v it_o as_o bellarm._n do_v to_o the_o obtain_n of_o infallibility_n but_o only_o use_v it_o in_o the_o general_n way_n in_o which_o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v doubt_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o it_o thus._n 4._o thus._n si_fw-mi duo_fw-la vnanime_n tantum_fw-la possunt_fw-la quid_fw-la si_fw-la vnanimit_fw-la as_o apud_fw-la omnes_fw-la esset_fw-la s._n cypr._n l._n 4._o epis._n 4._o if_o two_o that_o be_v of_o one_o mind_n to_o god-ward_o can_v do_v so_o much_o what_o may_v be_v do_v if_o there_o be_v unanimity_n among_o all_o christian_n undoubted_o more_o but_o not_o all_o whatsoever_o they_o shall_v ask_v unless_o all_o other_o requisite_n be_v present_a three_o in_o this_o their_o own_o 4._o own_o non_fw-la ad_fw-la iâ—…fallibilem_fw-la certitudinem_fw-la alicujus_fw-la sententiae_fw-la in_fw-la quam_fw-la plures_fw-la in_o nomine_fw-la christi_fw-la consentiunt_fw-la locus_fw-la hic_fw-la evangelii_n propriè_fw-la accomodari_fw-la debet_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la efficaciam_fw-la consensionis_fw-la plurium_fw-la ad_fw-la id_fw-la impetrandum_fw-la quod_fw-la unanimiter_fw-la in_o christi_fw-la nomine_fw-la petunt_fw-la si_fw-la id_fw-la quidem_fw-la ad_fw-la eorum_fw-la salutem_fw-la expediat_fw-la secùs_fw-la onim_fw-la non_fw-la modo_fw-la ex_fw-la illo_fw-la loco_fw-la probabitur_fw-la etc._n etc._n greg._n de_fw-fr valen._n to._n 2._o in_o thom._n disput._n 1_o q._n 1._o puncto_fw-la 7._o §._o 45._o and_o although_o stapleton_n approve_v this_o argument_n à _fw-la minori_fw-la ad_fw-la majus_n vet_z withal_o he_o say_v firmitas_fw-la conciliorum_fw-la illis_fw-la christi_fw-la verbis_fw-la propriè_fw-la non_fw-la innititur_fw-la quia_fw-la nec_fw-la christus_fw-la ibi_fw-la de_fw-la conciliis_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la loquiâ—…ur_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la quâvis_fw-la fidelium_fw-la unanimi_fw-la congregatione_fw-la nec_fw-la etsi_fw-la etc._n etc._n staple_n relâ—…ct_n contr._n 6._o q._n 3_o a._n 4._o great_a champion_n disagree_v from_o bellarmine_n or_o he_o from_o they_o for_o gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n and_o stapleton_n tell_v we_o that_o this_o place_n do_v not_o belong_v proper_o to_o prove_v a_o infallible_a certainty_n of_o any_o sentence_n in_o which_o more_o agree_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n but_o to_o the_o efficacy_n of_o consent_n for_o obtain_v that_o which_o more_o shall_v pray_v for_o in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n if_o at_o least_o that_o be_v for_o their_o soul_n health_n for_o else_o you_o may_v prove_v out_o of_o this_o place_n that_o not_o only_o the_o definition_n of_o a_o general_n council_n but_o even_o of_o a_o provincial_n nâ—…y_v of_o two_o or_o three_o bishop_n gather_v together_o be_v valid_a and_o that_o without_o the_o pope_n assent_n the_o last_o place_n mention_v for_o the_o infallibility_n of_o general_n counsel_n be_v that_o act_n 15._o where_o the_o apostle_n say_v 28._o act._n 15._o 28._o of_o themselves_o and_o the_o council_n hold_v by_o they_o it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o vs._n and_o they_o may_v well_o say_v it_o for_o they_o have_v infallible_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o they_o keep_v close_o to_o his_o direction_n but_o i_o do_v not_o find_v that_o any_o general_n council_n since_o though_o they_o do_v implore_v as_o they_o ought_v the_o assistance_n of_o that_o bless_a spirit_n do_v ever_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o say_v in_o terminis_fw-la in_o express_a term_n of_o their_o definition_n visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la sancto_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la it_o seem_v good_a to_o 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infallibilitèr_fw-la definiunt_fw-la respondet_fw-la valentia_n concedendo_fw-la neutrum_fw-la to._n 3._o in_o thom._n disp._n 1_o q._n 1._o puncto_fw-la 7._o §._o 45._o that_o though_o the_o council_n say_v they_o be_v gather_v together_o in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n yet_o the_o father_n be_v neither_o arrogant_a in_o use_v the_o speech_n nor_o yet_o infallible_a for_o all_o that_o and_o this_o be_v true_a whether_o the_o pope_n approve_v or_o disapprove_v their_o definition_n though_o valentia_n will_v not_o admit_v that_o the_o pope_n must_v be_v with_o he_o infallible_a what_o ever_o come_v of_o it_o now_o though_o this_o be_v but_o a_o example_n &_o include_v no_o precept_n yet_o both_o 3._o both_o firmit_v as_o eorum_fw-la nititur_fw-la exemplo_fw-la primi_fw-la concilii_fw-la staple_n relect_v contro_fw-la 6._o q._n 3._o a._n 4._o ad_fw-la 3._o stapleton_n and_o locus_fw-la and_o et_fw-la bellarm._n dicit_fw-la locum_fw-la hunc_fw-la esse_fw-la tertium_fw-la è_fw-la propriis_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o council_n c._n 2._o §._o tertius_fw-la locus_fw-la bellarmine_n make_v this_o plaâ—…e_n a_o proper_a proof_n of_o the_o infallibility_n of_o general_n counsel_n and_o prima_fw-la and_o conciliorum_fw-la decreta_fw-la sunt_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sancti_fw-la oracula_fw-la stapl._n ibid._n sententia_fw-la orthodoxa_fw-la prima_fw-la stapleton_n say_v the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n be_v the_o very_a oracle_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n which_o be_v little_a short_a of_o blasphemy_n and_o ibid._n and_o si_fw-mi illud_fw-la concilium_fw-la ex_fw-la quo_fw-la formam_fw-la acceperunt_fw-la omne_fw-la alia_fw-la concilia_fw-la asserit_fw-la decreta_fw-la sva_fw-la esse_fw-la decreta_fw-la sp._n sancti_fw-la certè_fw-la idem_fw-la assercre_fw-la possunt_fw-la cetera_fw-la legitima_fw-la concilia_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellar._n ibid._n bellarmine_n add_v that_o because_o all_o other_o counsel_n borrow_v their_o form_n from_o this_o therefore_o other_o lawful_a counsel_n may_v affirm_v 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