are verily perswaded so or no other answer but I am sure it is the spirit of God and I am a good man and an honest man and I believe my self but other reasons or evidence can they give none Thirdly This pretending of a private spirit is against 2 Pet. 1. 20. That no prophesie of Scripture is of private interpretation Answ. This Man beats all together beside the Anvil what ever the matter is but that he is blinded and confounded in himself he sets but up a shadow and then fights with it for instead of proving the Spirit of God not to be a competent rule judge and guide and instructer in all matters of Faith necessary to Salvation he goes about to prove a private spirit a pretended spirit a spirit of error is not a sufficient guide and Judge and in this he fights without an adversary and fills the world with noise and darkness and the air with smoak and would cloud peoples understandings with multitudes of words that tend not to edification with a quareling wrangling spirit which is not for peace but I see he hath delighted in contention and sported it self in varience and like the son of the bond-woman his hand against every man Secondly I wonder why R. E. quotes so much Scripture as for the proofe of his matter in hand seeing that it is one of his great pleas that it is insufficient as to be a rule or a guide or a judge as to answer any doubts or give any satisfactory solution to him that is enquiring and seeing he hath given in so many reasons against it as insufficient and as much as in him lay to invaluedate and set it at nought and hath laboured to set it at oddes and to make contradictions in it as to render it insufficient for matter of probation in any thing which is in controversie or how he can judge that others should receive them and his sometimes false rendering of them or his own interpretations upon them seeing he denies them as uncertain as they are translated and insufficient and not fit to be a rule and who this man hath conversed with I know not that should ever affirm a private spirit or their own spirits to be a sufficient rule or guide to walk by such I deny and leave them and thee to quarel together about your imaginations and thoughts and conceptions or else the conceptions of other men who are as uncertain and fallible as the first and shall assert the sufficiency of the spirit of God teaching ruling guiding and judging all true Christian men in that certain everlasting infallible truth which is necessary and satisfaction to the souls of all them that do believe in it and shall deny all the pretenders to it who run into heaps and heads and quarels and fights one with another about shadows and can give no other account or manifestation then I am sure I have the spirit of God and I ought to be believed and I am a good man and the like which thou saith thou could never receive any other evidence or testimony and what though many have pretended to the spirit and the guidance thereof and in the mean while have brought forth the fruits of the flesh and their own imaginary false conceptions and hath put on confidence enough to say so as thou thy self it may be hath had a share in in times past shall this make the Spirit of God insufficient and uncertain in its teachings to them that believe in it and have received and bring forth the fruits of it and have the deeds of the flesh mortified by it God forbid Thirdly Why hast thou perverted the Scripture as I said at the first onset Rom. 8. 16. The Spirit it self bears witness with our spirits that we are the Children of God and this thou hath put in in a distinct Character to be taken notice of as though it were Scripture and renders it thus the Spirit being witness in secret with our spirits or in plainer termes the private spirit Thou must repent of this and take heed how thou calls the spirit of God a private spirit for it was that publick spirit which manifested it self among all the Patriarks and Prophets and by which they spoke forth the words and mind of God unto the people and prophesied of things to come and through it alone is the deep and weighty things of God revealed and was and is the only way and means by which Christ promised after his Ascension to lead guide instruct and comfort his Disciples in all truth and that it should bring to their memory whatsoever he had spoken that they were to be without care or thought for through it the Father should give them what to speak and what to answer before Rulers and Councils for his Names sake And here the sufficiency of it is proved to any reasonable man who hath the least savour or discerning of the things of God and this is that publick spirit by which the Apostles published the Everlasting Gospel of peace and which Christ the head of the Body his Church had received without measure and this is a private twyning creeping spirit of thine who hath been lost in thy own imaginations and following thy own forward rash spirit and hath found no certainty in thy self of Gods spirit to stay thy mind upon nor no patience to wait upon it but reaching grasping at things in thy dark mind last of all hath brought in thy verdict for the devil against the sufficiency of the holy spirit of God its guidance amongst his people in the later days that is thy fond conception as to say that the Spirit of God is expressly against the 2. of Pet. 1. 20. which thou calls a private spirit all along 't is true no prophefie of Scripture is of private interpretation but the holy Men of God spoke it forth as they were moved by the holy spirit which was publick and conversant among them with them and in them and they that have it can receive them as they are written and can read them and understand them as they were spoken and doth see the intent of the Holy Ghost in so speaking unto different states and conditions notwithstanding the many Copies thou tells on and diversions and different translations which thou would make a great Mountain on and raise it up so high to make the Scripture uncertain and low as not fit to be taken notice on as to answer any doubt or to be any rule or guide or any example or president for any thing that I can perceive by the course of thy Spirit which in the truth is fathomed and comprehended though it is as uncertain as the way of a Serpent upon a Rock yet they that have the spirit of God sees beyond all and hath unity with the words and minds of the Spirit of God notwithstanding the many corruptions and defects in translations and the many foul hands it hath
hath not received the spirit nor the power which the Scriptures declare of such wrangles and contends with the words and opposes the life and the power the Jews had the Scriptures and knew by them where Christ should be born and knew by them what his works should be when he was manifest and yet rejected him unto whom all the Prophets bore witness from Moses to Samuel and from him to John and they were never intended by God as to be set up as Judge and Guide to wit the words without the power and Spirit of God yet notwithstanding though I cannot set them up in the place of God and Christ and the Spirit nor contend ignorantly as some have done that they are the author of true faith and that they are the eternal word of God which the world was made by that they are the light and the way the truth and the life and that they are the desider of all Controversies and sole and absolute and only Judge of all matters of faith and of all matters that ever hath been or ever shall be in controversie to the end of the World without the spirit of God neither am I of that ignorant mind as some are that the Letter and the Spirit is unseparable as that whosoever hath the Scripture must needs have the Spirit or whosoever hath the Scripture must needs be infallible without the Spirit all that are of the aforesaid Judgment are but wranglers for the most part about words and contenders against the power of God and godliness and brings the words to oppose the life and them that have the spirit and walk in it for a Natural man may read the Scriptures and yet not perceive the things of God neither perceive the mind of the spirit but wrest to their own destruction as Peter saith because they are unlearned untaught by the spirits teaching though otherwise learned enough in Languages Tongues and Speeches Secondly Yet I cannot detract from them neither undervalue them or disesteem them as uncertain or of no use or of little use but what ever themselves declare themselves to be that I own them to be to wit the Words of God the words of Christ the words of the holy Prophets and Patriarkes and Apostles who were endued with the Holy Ghost and spake forth the Scripture as they were moved thereby in several ages of several things and unto several states and conditions as they were led thereunto by the holy Spirit and they are a certain declaration of things that were done and believed and practised by the Jewes under the first Covenant and by the Apostles and Primitive Christians in the New Covenant and contain many precious and holy precepts and commands doctrines examples exhortations admonisions reproofs and instructions and are as lively examples and holy patterns for all the Saints in light to follow by which we are given to understand what Faith what Hope what Patience what Love what mercy what long sufferings what consolation and what vertue and what inheritance the Saints in light were made pertakers of through faith in Christ Jesus Likewise what Doctrines were held forth and what practice they used in the Primitive times when they walked in the order of the Gospel and had fellowship with God the Father and the Son and one with another in the light of the Gospel which is the power of God through which they witnessed Salvation and remission of sins and published it unto others that they might believe Thirdly The Scriptures testifies of Christ and were written that they might be believed and received and read that there by every one that believed might be made wise to Salvation through faith in Christ Jesus 2 Tim. 3. and instructed in Righteousness that the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnished with all good works and whosoever doth teach any Doctrines contrary unto the holy Men of God who spake as they were moved by the spirit of God which dwelt in them the Scriptures are witnesses against such that they have not the Spirit of God but are led by another spirit which brings forth contrary Doctrine and another faith then once was delivered among the Saints and whosoever brings in sets up other precepts constitutions orders and practices in point of Worships in opposition and contrary unto those practices which were held forth in the Primitive times and would set up other Traditions then the Apostles delivered either by word or writing such are manifest to have the spirit of error and are innovaters and bringers in of other things as necessary in point of Worship among Christians which the Apostles and Ministers of Christ did not see necessary then and yet they wanted no part of the Councel of God for Paul said he had declared the whole Councel of God and further more they said we have the mind of Christ and Christs mind is not variable Fourthly Though divers of the Writings of the Prophets and Apostles be lost doubtless as is evident by divers places of Scripture yet blessed be God that there are those preserved which do bear witness of the one thing absolutely necessary unto Salvation and of the Ministrations that were appointed of the Lord for the Church of God to observe both in the first and second Covenants so that Christians of this last age are not left without example and president which all ought to have an eye unto and a diligent regard and though there be divers Coppies of that which is called the Original Tongues and divers Translations yet he unto whom the Spirit of God is given and waiteth in the measure of Christs Light shall receive it doth see and shall see the mind and will of God in every age and the mind and intent of the spirit in them that spoke forth the Scripture and can receive the matter therein contained as though they had heard them speak that spoke it at the first and though the Translaters were Men yet I have such an honourable esteem of their labour that I believe they have not varied wittingly and willingly from the best Coppies that was extant in their age neither that they were altogether void of the Spirit of God in such a good work which conduced to the benefit of Mankind but were assisted by it for so good a work and there be many figures and trophes improprieties of speech mysteries and difficulties yet all these comes to be made easie and plain to them that are witnesses of the same spirit that gave them forth and though there be deversity of judgments and professions of Religion one clashing again another and thwarting another and contradicting another and all will seem to bring the Scripture for their proofe which yet canuot maintain and prove every thing good especially when their Doctrines contradict one another This is granted it is only their private interpretation and not the Scripture and for want of that Spirit that gave it forth for that alone gives the true
one the Lay Gentleman he mentions and himself speaking to one speaks to both First Whether that any can be certain that the Christians in general is more true then the Turkes Jewes or any other and whether any can be infallibly assured of this that it is not possible for one to be mistaken in this and again the answer amounting to no more then this you conceive you are in the right you hope and believe you are not mistaken but it is possible you may be mistaken in this for every Man is a Lyer and every Man and all Men and every Church is fallible and subject to error and with these and the like words R. E. was extreamly troubled as he saith and knew not how to answer without shuffling Answer The true Christian Religion stands not only in name nor in words nor in conforming or transforming to this or that outward practice which the Disciples of Christ were exercised in which divers in the latter days in their old corrupt minds not having their hearts renewed have taken on the outside and have got the form and wants the life and the power and are not partakers of the Divine nature of Christ and such a bare profession as this has no certainty nor infallibility in it neither the assurance but that they may be mistaken and may be subject to err as well as Turkes or Jewes or any other but the true Christian Religion indeed whom Christ will own as true Worshippers of Him stands in power in life and in being obedient unto his living commands and precepts which he giveth forth unto his Disciples and manifesteth by his Spirit his Sheep hear his voice and know it from the voice of a stranger And he giveth the knowledge of his will to all that believe in the measure of his eternal Spirit which he hath given every one a measure of to profit withal and by it to be guided into all truth out of all error and this Spirit is infallible and gives certain assurance to all that receive it that they are in that way which is acceptable to God and they feel comfort unto their souls coming daily from the presence of Christ who is the Rock of Ages and the sure foundation upon which his holy Church is founded which is the pillar and ground of truth and they that are living members are not grounded upon a fallible certainty or upon a conjectural supposition or a vain hope which is without bottom but upon that which is sure and stedfast lasting and everlasting and all men in the unregenerate estate are lyers but they that are born from above are of the truth and lie not and are not subject to mistakes because the seed remains in them and walkes in the pure Religion which keeps unspoted of the World and they that have no other ground for their Religion but only without them and from the report of others are short of the true foundation for that may be truth in it self indeed which is not true to another nor he truly partakes of it and here is all the supposing conjectures and mistakes and fallible certainties which it seems R. E. and his lay Gentleman too when the axe is laid to the root of the tree indeed and not withstanding all the laying claim to infallibility and certainty its but grounded upon a report without and the traditions of men from Generation to Generation For them that believe but only because of the true report without and cometh not to witness the thing assured in their own hearts by the Spirit of the Lord these will not be long of that faith 't is true many did believe because of the Apostles Declaration and report but at last came to feel the witness of God in their own hearts testifying the self same in so much that they could say and truly too though we have believed through your words at the first yet now we have heard him our selves and that which giveth perfect assurance which admits of no doubts nor fallibleness for such evidence all true Members of Christ's Church have in themselves which carries divine authority and satisfaction in it to every particular Believer and so I say with R. E. in this it seemes unreasonable to perswade any to receive this or that for a truth when they that so perswade are uncertain in themselves neither dare say their judgment is infallible which is that old Protestant Principle indeed and also the Principle of many Sects who differs from the pretended Catholick Church of Rome who persecuted one another about outward things even as the Heathen about their Idols and yet will need sit as Judge in Mens Consciences with their fallible spirit though I speak not of every individual person neither can I justifie the Roman Catholick Church so called who layes claim to infallibility and whatsoever they judge to be Heresie must be reckoned as such though never so manifest a truth and to place infallibility in men that may err and have erred from the spirit I like not neither for this is to give that to men that belongs to God and to make the Judgment of fallible men above the Judgment of the infallible spirit of God and this I look to be great ambition and pride in any to lay claim to the greatest things as infallibility and certainty of assurance and the most free of error and yet falls the shortest of it of any as hath been made appear by many learned and grave Men of former ages and also if a necessity were might be made appear that the Church of Rome who saith she cannot err have been as uncertain both in their Doctrine and Worship as any yea more one Pope contradicting and throwing down that which another did establish and one Council decreeing and another disanulling as I could easily make appear but that I would not be tedious to the Reader in things that have been so manifest neither do I desire to wade out into diversity of matters in so short a Discourse But that which R. E. and his Catholick instructer calleth late wild and loose opinions that men of different faiths may be saved and this countenanceth schisme and breeds rebellion as it is said 't is true faith is but one which is saving and there is no differance in that for the difference is among Men where that is wanting and only have the words and name of faith and want the life and power Neither am I so narrow spirited as R. E. and his Catholick as to exclude all out of the faith who may differ in their perswasions in some Circumstantial things if yet they hold Christ the head and what makes R. E. so verilent as to judge all in error and to be out of the true faith seeing the Protestants and all sorts of separates professe Justification and Salvation only through faith in Christ Jesus as well as the Church of Rome and it were unreasonably judged in me if I should conclude
a man to be no man because he is not so tall as another but I see R. E. and his Catholick would have all Shoos made by their Last though they will not fit every mans feet Faith is the gift of God there are divers degrees and measures according to the mind and good pleasure of the giver so that he that hath received any measure or degree must not be excluded as having no faith though he attain not to that degree that some do enjoy and the Apostles Doctrine was that every one should be perswaded in his own mind and if any was otherwise minded they were to be let alone till God revealed it to them And whatsoever people or Church though they claim infallibility that teaches a contrary Doctrine unto this we have good reason to suspect it to be that hasty driving and overdriving spirit that would force a faith where God hath not given it not to be the infallible spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ of which the Church of Rome hath given a vehement cause of suspition by their cruelty and tortors they have exercised towards them who could not receive their Principles and own their Judgment in all things But R. E. the Lay-Gentleman blinded thy eye when he made thee call into question the truth of Scripture and that it proceeded from the infallible Testimony of Gods spirit and if thou had a certain feeling of the same in thy self and in thy own Conscience to let this go and make this void as an insufficient ground to receive Christianity upon to lean to a prop without thee and to be judged by men who have been as fallible and changable in their Judgments as the Moon which have assumed the name of Catholick Church whose Testimony thy Instructer I perceive told thee ought to be received concerning what as is pretended to be revealed or not revealed by God yet all must be obliged to stand to their Judgment though never so repugnant to the Doctrine of Christ and practice of the Church of Christ in the first Primitive times truly so called yet it is granted that the Church of Christ are the dispersed Members through the World though not of it agreeing in one faith being in the power of God and being led and guided by the Holy Ghost their Judgments ought to be received which cannot as lead by the Spirit fail in giving true Judgment in matters of faith which pertains to Salvation but as men they may fail and as erring from the spirit they may fail and infallibility is not intailed to the persons of any men but as they continue in the grace of God and walk in the spirit and bring forth the fruits thereof nor to any place or City but as they continue in Covenant with God for the promise of God was to Jerusalem and Mount Zion and to many other places and people in divers Cities where the glory of God once appeared but now through their Apostacy and unbelief and disobedience they are desolate as to the presence and power of God and their Sun is set and they are covered as with the shadow of a Cloud but this true Church whereof I have spoken was seen to fly into the Wilderness for time times and a half and that since the Apostles days and then was she not so visible and universal as she had been before and the man child was caught up unto God now if thou reckon the Roman Church to be this true Church shew the time times and half a time wherein she fled into the Wilderness and how long she hath been there and when was the time of her return and if ever she was there how that will hang together with your assertion that she hath been visible and so universal this fiften hundred years and if this could be proved that Rome hath been so whether doth it not rather demonstrate her to be the Whore that sat upon the many waters which waters are Nations Kindreds Tongues and People and what Church instance if thou can doth lay claim to the Nations Kindreds Tongues and People to be yours and to rule over so many Kings of the Earth as you lay claim to be universally of your faith and of your Church which gives us a shrewd character to believe that indeed you are mystery Babylon besides the blood of the Saints that have been shed under the name of Hereticks by this visible Catholick Church among the Nations this twelve 100. years doth give clear evidence that it can be reckoned or imputed unto none but you But I would not grate too hard upon thee being but a new convert but when thy instructer had made thee doubt of thy own state and question the foundation whereupon thou hadst received christianity the next thing he labours to make void is the Spirit of God its Testimony which thou did lay claim too but I feel had little portion in what thou said at last he makes thee doubt of the infallibility of this spirit which thou had spoke on might for ought thou knew be the spirit of error and thou not able to distinguish betwixt the spirit of God in thy self which is infallible and the spirit of error nor to distinguish betwixt their opperations he perswaded thee that all was uncertain and therefore no confidence to be given to any spirit or faith in ones own particular which is the most absurd and ridiculous thing in the world so to judge For if there be no certainty or assurance given to any man or means to every man wherein he may be assured of the certainty of Gods will then whither should any go or upon whom should any lean seeing that no credit can be given to any thing that any man believes and this were but tossing up and down men from mountain to hill that they might never have rest for their souls And as for Jer. 17. and Eccles. 9. Rev. 3. The heart of man is deceitful c. No man knows love or hatred c. And because thou sayest I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing c. These Scriptures was brought unto thee to make thee more blind the first is spoken of the degenerated estate where deceit bears rule and not truth the second is spoken of visible enjoyments which are common to all and the third was spoken to one who had erred from the spirit and was exalted in pride because of external performances but having lost the power was miserable c. But what of all this doth this any whit at all detract from the certainty and assurance of the Spirit of God in them that hath it what shall we reason thus because some have been led aside and are deceived by their own hearts lusts that therefore all may be deceived even them that have the spirit of God God forbid and we have some what more to answer an Arian a Jew or a Turk if they should urge the like knowledg and feeling
with the like confidence to prove they were in the truth and Christianity a delusion and thy instructer said what would you reply to them We have more to reply in such Cases then time will permit now or the state of the case require seeing it is but a supposition and we take no thought what to answer the gain-sayers of truth withall but relyes upon the promise of the Father and of his Son Jesus Christ who said to his Disciples take no thought for it shall be given you what to answer in that day which promise all that are true Disciples shall find true to the end of the World but somewhat more we have to say it may be then thou said when thou suffered thy self to be made blind and carried captive with another Mans Judgment and neglected the measure of Gods spirit in thy self at home through which alone the secret things of God is revealed and in which true certainty and infallibility is witnessed and not in Men who is fallible and changable If an Arian Jew or Turk should urge their own interpretation of Scriptures which is of no private interpretation contrary to the mind of him that gave it forth I would say he perverted the words of the Scripture which is in harmony and unity one with another as to the states and conditions they were spoken to and are plain and are only read by that spirit that gave them forth except it be in some Historicall or Chronology or Genealogy of Names and Generations which might he some gathered from other hands and different hands taking notice of them as to record them there might be some variation yet the substance of the report is true but what is Calculation of yeares or dayes or reckoning up of Genealogies as to the matter of Salvation and what if we had never had them no more then we have other Histories and things that fell out among the Jewes but if there be any contradiction for ought I know we may blame the Church of Rome the most of any who will needs affirm they received all or most of the things from the Apostles and if the translations differ or be somewhat uncertain what have they been doing this fifteen hundred yeares with their infallible spirit that they could not have rectified them according to their first original and if any of the foresaid Sects should pretend the certainty of the spirit and yet not have it I should answer the spirit is known by its fruits and the fruits of the spirit are manifest and they that pretend to it and bring forth contrary fruites are manifest to be deceivers and deceived but their states are different and therefore requires different answers which time will not now permit to insist upon but over and beside all other arguments to perswade any man to or from any thing the witness of God in the party unto whom he speaketh is to be reached and that is beyond the understanding of man and greater then it and more convincing then any arguments that can be used without and he that cannot speak to this is not skilful in the word of righteousness That Christ was an infallible guide who is the way the truth and the life is granted by all Christians and that the Apostles received the promise of the Father and the infallible spirit of God which led them into all truth and this infallible assurance the Christians had that lived in the Apostles time this is granted and the Apostles were infallible guides not as Men meerly but as Men full of the holy Ghost and as Men who were filled with the spirit of God and therefore the Apostles said be followers of us as we are followers of Christ and if any controversie did arise as some there did and doutes among the then Christians the Apostles and Elders meeting together in the power of the holy Ghost did write their mindes and Letters to the Christians to pacify all and good reason that they that had believed through their word should submit unto the Holy Ghost and unto them by whom they were begotten unto God by the word of Life for the ending of strife about wordes and shadowes and outward things and they whose mindes were outward then in ages since and now ran into contention about outward things and such for the most part do erre from the spirit of God in themselves but I would have thee to take notice of this and all you Catholick Members so called the Apostles of Christ only did exhort and did not force their Decrees by penal Statutes and to be observed under the penalty of loosing life or limbes as since their pretended successors have done who have erred from the spirit and have got the Saints words and turned against the life and power but the Decrees as you call them are not many nor burdensome which the Apostles wrote at Jerusalem as the many Counsels since have made they are so endless and numberless and burdensome and so contradictory one to another in divers things who will but look into the Decrees of the Counsels since the Apostles dayes that we can find little certainty in any of their Decrees but rather as thy Instructer saith the Sword of the flesh and not the spirit hath been the rule and law to Christianity but the Masters of great wit and power and Interest have framed and made parties unto themselves and hath not Warres been raised among your selves about deciding your controversies hath not the Pope Warred against the Emperour and the Emperour against the Pope was not Wars raised about the Decrees when Pope Eujenius was deposed as a Heretick by the Counsel of Bazill and one while the Pope must be infallible as Peter's Successor and above all Counsels and Churches another while the Counsell is above the Pope excommunicates him as a Heretick and excludes his Infallibility and now where is the certainty and whether should one go or appeal for true judgment so though the Church of Rome boast of unity yet how hath one Nation made War against another and yet professing the same faith at divers times and in sundry ages And to tell thee plainly and to speak the naked truth according to the Apostles prophesie after their departure there was a great Apostacy and a great falling away from the faith and a giving heed to lying seducing spirits and doctrine of Devils and many were subverted from the faith by them that spake lies in hypocrisie and took up the Priests office for filthy lucre and they went out into the world and the world wondered after them and they had the form and the sheeps cloathing and the Saints words but were enemies to the Cross of Christ and to the power of Godliness and the Kings of the Earth were bewitched with their Sorceries and then forced all and compelled all to receive and believe such Decrees and such Articles as was then set forth by a pack of those Hirelings who minded their
which is one and doth hold the one head by which all the members of Christ are knit together in the one faith by which they overcome the world this undoubtedly is the Church of Christ and the spouse of Christ. But whether R. E. will not dispute against the verity of her Doctrine I question notwithstanding all his submission in words and if this Church should teach that Infants are to be baptised with Cream and Spittle and signed with the Cross as absolutely necessary to Salvation or that it is the duty of the Saints alive to pray to the Saints departed this world or to teach that Christs body which was broken for us and hanged upon the tree at Mount Calvary that this should now be in a morsel of bread and a sup of wine and conveyed thither by the Priest and this to be really the body of Christ if this Church should teach any such Doctrine there were good and weighty reason to question seeing that R. E. before hath said that they cannot be infallible who contradict one another and teach two contrary Doctrines and yet say they are both infallibly directed so to teach I hope R. E. will grant that the Church in Christs time and the Apostles was infallible and it taught no such Doctrine but to the contrary therefore that Church which pretends infallibility and yet teacheth such Doctrines as before mentioned contrary unto Christ and the Apostles cannot be infallible neither led by the infallible Spirit and all hath good reason to question the verity of these things more then what the Apostles taught seeing they are contradictory to Christ and the Apostles teaching and contrary to Scripture and contrary to the witness of God in all Consciences and as I said before this Church of God whereof I have spoken now though not denominated by any other name then the Church of God is and hath been assisted so by the Holy Ghost as she hath not erred when she only hearkened to its instruction and direction but when the wisdom of the flesh and the worldly part and States and Governments and Policies and Princes have been minded more then the Spirit of God then error hath been taught and the greater part in a Council have overswayed the rest and established error by decree and hath enjoyned it under penalties to be received as sacred and holy and infallible of which we find the Church of Rome exceeding guilty and therefore do conclude notwithstanding the promise of God to his Church that kept in Covenant with him that this Church of Rome have erred and do err both in faith doctrine and practice of the infallible Church in the Apostles days and therefore their Doctrine is more to be questioned then the Apostles and they not fit to be this rule and guide and directer unto which R. E saith all is to submit under pain of Damnation Scar-Crows will hardly affright men of understanding but unreasonable Creatures it may And last of all R. E. he saith he will conclude his whole proof with an argument from Heaven and of the highest nature and makes it evident that the Roman Church must be this guide and judge which God hath appointed because of the gift of Miracles and cites the 15. of John and 24. If I had not done among them the works that no other man did they had not had sin and now I say that the Roman Church hath done works and Miracles such as no other Church hath done therefore if we refuse to believe her we shall have sin and shew our selves haters of God and he instances St. Ber. St. Mal. St. Dom. St. Fra. which wrought Miracles and of Austin the Monk which taught Christian Faith first in England and his fellow Monkes which was then confirmed by wonderful Miracles from Heaven not in confirmation of those points and articles of faith which you hold with us but of those which you call Popish and superstitious as the Sacrifice of the Mass and about respect and veneration which is given to Saints Relicks and Images and about the Doctrine of Purgatory and payment of Tythes and R. E. concludes if we will not believe what you have not seen you destroy faith which is an evidence of things not seen Although R. E. make a great boast of the Miracles of the Church of Rome which no other Church hath wrought the like and therefore concludes that the is this rule and guide unto which all is to give ear unto under pain of Damnation and these Miracles he saith is argument from Heaven and proof of the highest nature believe him who can if time would but permit and the Reader have patience to read most or many if not all the Miracles he so much crys up might be declared to his and their shame the very report and relation thereof cannot but be reckoned as fabulous and fained stories and proceeds from that lying spirit which was in the false prophet which wrought Miracles before the Beast and deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast and them that worshipped his Image which must be taken alive and cast into the lake of fire Revelation 19. 20. It is an a dulterous Generation that seeks a signe And yet did not believe when they had Miracles wrought by the finger of God amongst them yet they said it was by Belzebub the Scribes and Pharisees said if he be the King of Israel let him come down from the Cross and we will believe but the power of Christ was not to be shewed at the blind will of the Pharisees neither would they have believed if he had come down though Miracles have been wrought by the power of God and is according to his Heavenly will and is not limited either to men time or place yet it is not so sufficient an argument from Heaven as R. E. saith to prove the Church of Rome this true Church seeing that the Devil and Satan and Antichrist shall come with signes and lying wonders and if it were possible deceive the elect and Janes and Jambres withstood Moses in working lying Miracles before Pharoah to the hardning of his heart and Chrysistome in his Hom upon Mat. 49. saith in the end of time power shall be given to the Devil to work signes and Miracles so that the Ministers of Christs cannot be known by working of Miracles but by working none at all and Augustine saith though some said Prayers at the Tombs of the Dead and obtained their desires as they said saith away with these things they be either juglings and mockeries of deceitful men or else delusions of lying spirits Chrys. in his Hom. upon Matth. 49. in old times it was known by Miracle who were the true Christians and who the false but now Miracles is rather among them that are false Christians and as for your great Miracles which thou saith the Chronologies and Histories speak of J. L. as Bed and Holm Sheads Stows and others we look upon them
passed through Fourthly The spirit of Christ is the gift of God which he giveth unto all that wait for his appearance and his Sheep have it and they that are Christs have it for they that have not the spirit of Christ is none of his and it is that which is every way sufficient and no way insufficient and it is every way sufficient to lead into all truth according unto Christs promise and to convince the World of sin of righteousness and of judgment again it is that which Christ promised for a director which was with them when they healed the Sick and cast out Devils and which was in them to consolate them and comfort them in the midst of affliction as it did Peter and John and made them bold who were yet illiterate Men and had not that sufficiency which many looks upon now they have to wit natural Tongues and Languages yet it was sufficient in them to give them wisedome to declare the things of the Kingdome of God to the salvation of many that did believe through their words it was sufficient to comfort Paul and Silas when they were shut in the inner Room and their Feet fast in the Stocks when there was no outward cause of joy but rather of sorrow yet they were made to sing and rejoyce because of the great comfort and joy that the spirit of God filled their hearts with again it was sufficient in the midst of great conflicts and tribulations which Paul and the rest suffered for the Gospels sake and for Christs sake and yet as suffering did abound it was sufficient to make consolation to super abound to ballance the suffering and to make it easie Fifthly It is that everlasting Covenant which the Lord promised by the mouth of his Prophets in former dayes that he would fulfill in the latter dayes or after times that he would write his Law in their hearts and put his spirit in their inward parts and that they should not teach every Man his neighbour saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least to the greatest and again in another place I will power upon them the spirit of prayer and supplication and they shall see him whom they have pierced c. and again I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and my Sons and my Daughters shall prophesie c. and this was fulfilled at Pentecost in Jerusalem when the Disciples met together and the promise of the Father came to be fulfilled and the Unbelievers said they were filled with new Wine and the Lord hath a care of his people through ages and hath not left them comfortless nor without a guide and a certain and a sure one too which spirit is manifest among some Non-conformists whom thou takes liberty to call Sects and the sufficiency of it is witnessed praised be the Lord in our Assemblies both as to convince to convert to save to judge to guide to instruct to comfort and is that alone in which all true Christian men can worship God in the silence of all flesh and fleshly motions and thoughts it 's that that giveth assurance also of acceptation with God and is that which makes the Prayers of the Saints as sweet insence in the Nostrils of the Lord it is that which makes the words of him like Butter as pleasant as Hony or sweet Oyle who speakes by it through it and from it whereby the hearts of many hath been pricked and the thoughts of many hearts hath been revealed and many hath been comforted with joy unspeakable and filled with pure love from the sensible feeling of the sufficiency of its power opperating in the inward Man even as when the harvest had been gatheredin and the Press been full of Grapes and the Fattes had over-flowen with abundance so that they could have rejoyced and sung and danced for joy as sometimes David did when the Ark of God was brought from the House of Obed-Edom and placed in Jerusalem when David danced for joy and all Israel was filled with gladness what might I say for the certainty sufficiency and all-sufficiency of this holy spirit of God I might fill my mouth with arguments and time might fail me in speech to speak of the excellency certainty and infallibility thereof against all opposers and quarellers In a word it is that alone meanes through which God conveys eternal life to all man kind and it is that rule by which all the Sons of God were led Rom. 8. 14. It is that only sure Guide Judge Way Rule in which there is certainty and assurance of the love of God to Man kind it is that by which the deeds of the flesh are mortified and Men quickned and enlivened unto God in their hearts in which the Saints are accepted by which they are regenerated and through which they become Heires of the promise what shall I say but this let all flesh be confounded before it and all deceit stop its mouth and all the sons of Men bow before it all Councils and Churches all Rulers and Elders all Reason and Comprehension all Words and Writing of Men and holy Men yea of the Scriptures of truth it gave them all a being it was it is and is to come and will remain when all visible things are past away it is that by which God will plead with all flesh and bring a Consumption upon all the honourable of the Earth and burn up the Mountains and make the hills to melt and make all a plain before Him therefore make room make room make way ye potsheards and cease all your contending and babling and bow to it and learn of it in your hearts which R. E. like an ignorant man calls a private spirit that your souls may be saved in the day of the Lord and you my escape his wrath which is to come against all resisters of it Sixthly Your Catholick Church falsely so called who hath erred from the spirit the infallible Guide though you much boast of it both in doctrine and practise abundantly insomuch that your faces seem altogether to look another way and your course to arive at another Haven then the Apostles and all the primitive Christians attained unto to wit everlasting Happiness and rest for their souls and acceptation with God in their performances and sacrifices which they offered unto him in the spirit of which they and all that believe in it and have received it received perfect assurance in their hearts by the immediate spirit of God and likewise the Protestants in general whether Lutherins or Calvins or other Sects known by denomination are of so narrow and a pinching spirit as that you would pinch and shut-up the universal love of God unto all Mankind into a narrow corner and monopalise the free grace of God that hath appeared to all Men that teaches all men that receives it to deny all Heresie falshood opinions and humours private spirits and spirits of error which leadeth from
all the Saints and would teach all Infidels to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live godly and righteously and soberly in this present evil world Howbeit all are not so taught because they heed it not and because they receive it not and so they make the free gift of God of no effect as to life to them but it is their condemnation yet however herein appears the equal merciful and universal love of God who is no respecter of persons but hath distributed a measure of this unto all to the intent that they might have power to fulfill his will and keep his Statutes and so the fault is not in God but in them who slight and dispise his gift and so condemnation is just of every one that doth not believe and is of himself and this reprehends that false erronious narrow pinching spirit which would shut it up in a corner and tye it to one sort of Men or Sect or opinion and the masters thereof would assume it to themselves as though the Spirit of God and Grace of God were only among them and must be conveyed from them to other people before they have it and the direction and guide of every man must be sought from their mouths as though God had not given a measure of his Spirit unto every man to profit withal and to be led and taught and guided by it into all truth out of error according to Christs promise and according to the Lords promise in the days of old that though his people might eat the bread of adversity and drink the water of affliction yet their teacher should not be removed into a corner and from this quieking enlightening enlivening spirit of God the Saints of God and Ministers of Christ in the Primitive times received power and authority to propagate Righteousness and to judge deceit and the mystery of Iniquity where ever it appeared and in this their ability stood for they were made able and fit Ministers by it not of the Letter nor of Mens traditions nor of foolish fopperies which hath been introduced since and shuffled in among Christians under the name of power and authority of the holy Church and the Church of God that had received this spirit walked in it and brought forth the fruits of it whereby they were a good savour in the nostrils of the Lord and by which they adorned the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ by a holy Conversation which did manifest them to be of God and convince and stop the mouths of gain-sayers And thus we are bold to tell thee all that the Spirit of God which is given a measure of it to every man and more fulness of it to them that believe that it is the rule and the way and the means whereby all the actions words and works of all Men are weighed tryed measured and judged and Objections answered and is the alone Judge of all matters and answerer of all doubts and giveth only true and perfect satisfaction and therefore R. E. may blush and be ashamed to ever publish such a thing abroad in the World as to say that the Spirit of God is not a sufficient directer teacher and Judge but calls it a private spirit opinion humour and fancy to make the eyes of them blind who wait for its appearance only to trust to Men who pleads antiquity and power without verity And further he goes on and sayes in 22 th page of his said Epistle There is neither Jew Turk Pagan or Christian but he may put on confidence enough affirming that he is taught by the spirit of God many of all sorts doth this and yet teach contradictions and further saith that it hath no effect among them who pretend to it and that they can no more satisfie another that they are guided by the spirit of truth then many who are cast into Bedlam Answ. 'T is true many are confident and impudent enough but confidence without ground and impudence proves but little and he that saith he is a Jew and is not but of the Synagogue of Satan will soon be found out by his Doctrine and fruits and he that saith he is a Christian and led by the Spirit and keeps not the commands of Christ neither brings forth the fruits of the spirit is soon discovered to be a deceiver and deceived and such are like to teach contradictions but all such are denyed shut out with the spirit of truth but them that have the spirit of God witness a blessed effect among them for they are turned from Satans power unto God and doth witness remission of sin and reconciliation with God and are not at difference but at unity one with another and are brought out of the obstinate and perverse estate which all pretenders are in and as for contradictions they are more to be seen in the Church of Rome then many wheres else they who are but pleased and hath leisure to view over the Decrees and Constitutions of several Popes and Councils since he was elevated to be Universal Bishop over all Christian Churches by that heathen and cruel Emperour Phocus who slew his Master Mauritius to obtain the Empire he did gratifie the Pope so far that he might be cryed up as Emperour as that he should be Vniversal Bishop and this proved a better plea for the Pope because the Emperour had power to defend him and to compell all to receive his Decrees then that he was Peters Successor I say who will but look into the Constitutions and Decrees shall find such seting up and throwing down and such decreeing and such disanulling as twenty such Champions as Robert Everard will never be able to free his Catholick Church from contradictions although he is very forward to charge others though he is but a new Convert but let him not boast till he have put off his armour and it is that mad Bedlam spirit of thine that saith that among all the Nonconformists there is no one that can satisfie another that he hath the spirit of God I tell thee yes there are thousands satisfied in one another that they have the spirit of God besides he that hath it can speak to the witness of God in another which shall testifie the same and moreover their works and fruits shall and doth manifest unto others that they are born of the spirit because the fruits of it are seen as they are manifest to be born of God that do the works of God and thou must first know the spirit of God in thy self if ever thou look for it there and not hang all together upon others belief as thou doth upon thy Catholick Church before thou can know it in another and first be convinced by it and judged by it for thy ill deeds and ill thoughts and hypocrisie and time-serving and flattery and men pleasing before thou can be convinced of others Righteousness and also be convinced of the unbelief of thy own heart before thou can
believe others but thou hath been so busie abroad in quareling and contending about words and names and empty shews without substance and life that thy mind is all over grown with thorns and briers scrawling and scratching and entangling thy self and others so that that which should savour the things of God is over grown in these and it s buried and to them that are like heaths in a desart knows not when good comes neither doth know what they enjoy that dwell in the fat Vallies and the Pharisees had such unbelieving hearts though Christ was the express Image of God and did the works that never man did yet being without faith and without reason they said he was a Blasphemer and all his works was done by Belzebub and would never be convinced that any thing he did was of God and that spirit is near thee which would represent the fruits of the Spirit to be delusion and them that bring them forth like them in Bedlam and what though Turks Jews Pagans Mahomet and the false Christians do pretend to the spirit and guidance by it and yet bring forth the fruits of the flesh doth this make the spirit of God void or the certainty of it to them that believe or do make their fruits of none effect God forbid thy ignorance is manifest but here thou ceases not thy tongue being thy own and thou being at liberty and speaks thy own words which in the end shall become thy burden Thou vapours and vaunts over them to wit all the Nonconformists and saith what can you say for your selves any of you which these Enthusiasts who have gone before you to maintain their errors but the rule and judge and then thou concludes that which God hath appointed to be rule and judge to all the world and capable of being known and heard by all and cannot contradict it self nor must be contradicted by any under pain of damnation if you cannot shew it to have been your rule you ought to lay aside your folly as destructive to humane society and them that hath pretended the spirit the strongest party and sword upon the vote will prove it self the most convincing spirit and force the weaker spirits to submit or cry for thou concludes the Nonconformists have no other Testimony to try your contradicting spirits in matters of greatest moment but force and success if you have I pray you inform me what it is Ans. If the wind had not turned into another door divers Nonconformists believes we should have had another song from thee if time had but favoured thee so far as to have granted thee the privilege of thy Troop to be Captain which name thou holds up yet i' th pride of thy heart though thou have lost thy force success and pay which was the greatest plea when time was with thee and not long since too which makes thee measure every Man's foot by thy Last and thou might have received information before thou had made a conclusion had been the part of a wise man before thou had set thy self as Judge over all thy former fellowships which thou fainedly pretends so great love to and before thou had discovered their nakedness if it be nakedness to all the world in such a publick insulting bravado as this like Goliah of Gath and as for what some Nonconformists both to the Church of Rome and to the Church of England too which thou creeping and sneakingly flatters and saith its established and therefore thou will not meddle thou might have said dare not for thy spirit is well enough seen by them only to have the spirit of a slave and not a free member of the true Church of God and it s no part of vertue nor honour for thee to insult and glory over them who are in suffering and adversity when as thou dare not meddle with them who are as contrary to thee as the former this is but the spirit of a Coward and is ignoble and base and ever so to be accounted by all the Children of Light who dare put all to venture which they do enjoy on this side of Immortality and to suffer the loss of all visible things for their Testimony and the truth which they believe and for bearing witness against that which is contrary unto their faith as did the valiant Primitive Christians of old and that which some Nonconformists can say is more then thou can believe although demonstrated in the evidence of the spirit of God with sound reason and evident example from the Scriptures of truth and though thou and thy former fellowships then and thy new fellowships now have made this vapour which for ought I know might lay your hands upon your mouths all considering what contradictory Doctrines and fruits hath been brought forth since the night of Apostacy entered in and all the World wondered after the Beast some hath this to say he that pretends to the Spirit and the thing cometh not to pass that they speak or prophesie let him be accounted a false Prophet again they that pretend guidance of the spirit as some formerly have done and yet bring forth the fruits of the flesh as variance hatred emulation strife contention heresie false Doctrine persecution force and violence let them he counted as truly they are deceivers and deluders which have gone out into the world and deceived a great part of Mankind of which Rome hath not had the least share clear it when thou can Moreover he that pretends to have the spirit of God and layes down another foundation to build upon in matter of Faith in matter of Rule in matter of Judgment in matter of Doctrine then that which the Lord of Life and Glory hath laid down he is a Deceiver and an Antichrist but R. E. hath laid down another rule another way another Judge another foundation for Faith and let himself make the Conclusion if he once dare joyne to true Judgment other Foundation can none lay then that which is already laid to wit Christ Jesus the Foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and of the Church of God by which they were all builded up as a holy Habitation for God to dwell in through the spirit Again the Apostle saith All Judgment is committed to the Son both in Heaven and Earth and again he saith himself I am the Way the Truth and the Life and none can come to the Father but by me and again the Spirit of Truth shall lead and direct his Disciples into all truth and sealeth unto them their Justification Redemption and Salvation And this R. E. would lay all wast and void and why because many hath pretended to it and hath fallen short therefore all the aforesaid things must be laid aside as uncertain and not to be trusted unto and a certain sort of Men called the Apostles Successors who have sought their gain and worldly Interest and to enlarge their Dominions and to make themselves Lords over Mens faith and over Mens
and Pharisees sit in Moses Chair whatsoever they bid you observe that observe and do c. And from thence he infers would God direct them unto and punish with death for not obeying an authority which might deceive them and was this authority committed to them that was capable of mistaking Answ. It seems R. E. would narrow and pinch up the Church of God among the Jewes in a straight compass when he would confine it only to the Priests and Levites and to the Judges in those days when as all the Tribes were called the Church as well as Levy again it is said Jacob is my portion and Israel is the Lot of my Inheritance comprising the whole Tribes and Families of the Jewes but it seems these must be no part of the Church with R. E. he pinches narrower now then he will do when he tells us of the vastness of the universal Church but let that pass as by the way and to come to the matter in hand the Priests and Levites were appointed by the express Commandements of God as to be Ministers unto him and to Minister unto the people according to that Covenant that he made in those days and the Priests and Levites were endowed with the Spirit from God suitable to the Ministry and charge committed to them and they were figures of Christ the Everlasting High Priest and the Law and Judgment which was given by the Lord to Moses was delivered to the Priests and their Lips were to preserve Knowledge and good reason because they were committed unto them and the Tables of stone and the Commandements were not given to the Families and the rest of the Tribes and R. E. hath answered himself neither could sufficient Coppies have been written in any reasonable time to every particular Tribe Family or person and therefore R. E. concludes full too hastily but that his spirit indeed is byassed all along in his discourse to aime toward the mark he would be at to set up Men above the Spirit Scripture and Reason but I euquire of R. E. whether that the Priests and Levites and Judge did tell them any other thing or direct them in any other way or gave judgment after any other manner then as was written in the Tables of Stone or the Book of the Law which was written wherein the mind of God was contained both in point of Worship and also in point of Government and why might not R. E. as well and reasonably have concluded that that which was given from the mouth of the Lord concerning all Israel was the direction rule and guide and judge as well as the Priests and Levites and the reason that the people or the Church having recourse to their Ministers appointed of God waâ— because they had the Statutes and Ordinances of God committed unto them which was put in the Ark of the Covenant and in the Tabernacle and by the way I would ask R. E. or any of his Roman Catholicks a question seeing he saith that this promise is granted and intailed unto the Church without all limitation or condition as to be the only infallible rule and that they cannot err whether that these Priests and Levites ever did err yea or nay and when was the entail cut off from them seeing the Scripture saith they had violated his Law and broken his Covenant and again the Prophets prophesied for hire and the Priests bore rule by their means and the Judges judged for rewardes and as David and Paul saith concerning Israel They are all gone out of the way and there is not one that doth good no not one and whether were they the rule and true guides and judges in this revolted estate yea or nay although I do not question but they retained still their places by way of office and would claim the same power which they had before from God as they stood in the commands of God as R. E. and his Catholicks do and will lay claim to the office and power the Apostles had though they do err from the spirit the Apostles were in and whether their power of being directers guiders and true judges and infallible rule stood not upon this condition as they did continue in the Covenant of God and kept the Precepts of God in purity without violation which when they did not as sometimes they did not whether were they subject to err or whether did they err yea or nay viz. the Priests and Levites Judges and heads of the people which R. E. reckons for the Church and though Christ did exhort his Disciples to hear the Scribes and Pharisees who sat in Moses Chair and to observe and do those things which they from the Law before given read and taught and instructed the people in because as I said before the Law and the Statutes was committed to the Priests and Levites and they to read it and minister unto the people by the appointment of God and these Statutes and Ordinances were the rule that the then Church ought to have observed yet Christ exhorted the Disciples to beware of their Leaven and of their hypocrisie and said they said and did not notwithstanding all the authority which R. E. saith they had and further saith would God direct them unto and punish with death for not obeying an authority which might deceive them or would Christ command the doing of whatsoever should be done by an authority that was capable of mistaking all which makes nothing for R. E. but rather would run him upon a harder Rock if this should be true or granted for then he is bound both to believe and justifie the Scribes and Pharisees in whatsoever they did or said of which methinks R. E. should be ashamed of 't is true they that sat in Moses Chair could not err nor be deceived nor be capable of mistaking as they continued to keep unviolate the Ordinances Statutes and rule which was given unto them by the command of God but when they disobeyed and set up the Traditions of Men and mingled them with the Ordinance of God and neglected the weighty matters of the Law as Justice and true Judgment both they that taught and they that were taught came justly under reproof and seeing R. E. reckons that the authority of the Jewes Scribes and Pharisees could not be deceived nor capable of mistaking only because they bear the name of such an authority and office I query of R. E. again whether the Scribes and Pharisees were not mistaken yea or nay and whether they were not deceived yea or nay and wherefore Christ should exhort his Disciples to take heed of them and to beware of them and to take heed of their Doctrine and why did Christ pronounce so many woes against them notwithstanding their sitting in Moses Chair but in what hath been said I hope will be sufficient to convince any that what R. E. hath laid down for a seeming foundation makes altogether against himself the premises before well considered