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A91875	Certain briefe observations and antiquæries: on Master Prin's Twelve questions about church-government. Wherein is modestly showne, how un-usefull and frivolous they are, how bitter and unchristian in censuring that way; whereas there are no reasons brought to contradict it. By a well-willer to the truth, and Master Prin.	Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.; Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?	1644 (1644)	Wing R1667; Thomason E10_33; ESTC R18171	10,126	16

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Therefore he ought to continue so when growne a man The Christian Church in the Apostles time while in her infancie was not National but so and so what I pray not Independent How know you that Master Prin we will not take your word Ergo It ought not to be Nationall now Here observe Reader Master Prin accounts the Church in the Apostles time a poor weak Church that had not so much reason for things then as we have now the Apostles the stablishers of it weake men whereas there was more light of the Gospell and gifts of the Holy Ghost powred out then then ever since even private Christians being as able to deale in the things of God as most of our Schollers and Ministers are now yet Master Prin compares the following that patterne the following of a child in his infancy that hath neither reason nor religion Master Prin follow you your perfect Church wee will follow this infant patterne and I beseech you is not this argument you bring to fasten an absurdity on them as absurd as this The Scriptures were writ in the infancy of the Church therefore wiser and better Scriptures may be writ now the Church being growne up into a Nation having so many reverent Divines in it Secondly You would needs make a Nationall Church State more perfect understanding and ripe Church then a Congregationall we would thinke so too if we had a Word for it And whereas you say the History of the Acts showes that as beleevers multiplied their Church goverment and discipline varied it s answered if you meane by varying that things before established by the Apostles in any Church was altered it s denied and pray show the place if you meane by varied that they added rules for goverment as occasion served we grant it for as they received not the knowledge of the Gospell at once so neither of discipline neither had the Churches need of all the rules at once but as God fitted occasions so he made knowne rules yet so as at length to discover the whole forme of his House as he did the whole mystery of divinity to be as rule to all generations afterwards you see what your logicke is come to Master Prin draw better consequences next Your tenth Quaerie is the same in summe with your secord only there you speake in generall here you perticularise and you aske of the independents whether in cōscience they are not bound to submit unto presbyteriall goverment in case that the Parliament and Synod should establish it and whether it would not be a high degree of ob●…nancy singularity selfe end c. to oppose this forme of government I Ans If you require this of them charge them so highly in not submiting I hope you will show your authoritie either you would have them submit because what they comand is of divine institution or because commanded by their authority if in the former sence they must haue eyes to see it as well as the Synod or else their obedience will be hypocriticall most displeasing to God if in the latter then the Popes councel decreeing any thing must out of as much conscience be obeyed by these that be under his authority as the best things commnded by a Godly Synod for a quatenus ad omne valet consequentia if because they command then what ever they command must be done I put the case to M. Prin whether when he challenged all the Divines in England to make good against them that Episcopacy was not jure de vino whether if the King had called a Synod and had concluded it as the most Divines thought he would have given up his judgments to their votes and submited to their determination it had beene hight of arrogancy selfe ends schisme in Master Prin not to do so so in point of law when most of the Judges had given in their judgements contrary to M. Prin why did not hee submit because the contrary was cleere to him and he had sinned against his own conscience if he had gone back one jot from his opinion what if independency should be set up what if the Synod should maintaine the errours of Antinomians c. was Master Prin bound in conscience to say as they did to speake against it would be shisme faction arrogancy c Master Prin how is your spirit changed what wil you now submit to any thing are you become a time server have you given up your faith to other men when Synods can say as they Acts 15. it seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and us to lay these things on you then wee will thinke we are bound in conscience to submit else you must helpe us with new eyes In your eleventh Quaerie you go on in your way of bitternesse and aske whether that independencie be not a wombe to all schismes heresies c. it s Answered no it s a seminary of holynesse a nourisher of love a way to build up unto the fulnesse of Christ your presbyterial way is a way inflauing mens cōsciences crushing the parts of these Saints which you ●all Lay-men is a way to depresse truth to hinder growth in grace and Spirituall communion with Christ the Saints shall soone find it so In the last Quaerie M. Prin falls a jeering of his brethren He would needs father a child on them of the presbyterians begetting they have put a nickname on them to make them odious and now he asketh whether it be not an insolent proud name c. unfit for any Christian to arrogat your presbytereans have pretty slights to defame these that are of a contrary opinion as if one should call an honest man theefe and aske a man whether it were not a shamefull thing for him to be given to stealing Know Master Prin these men scorn the name they have disavowed it in * See M. Simpsons Anatomie anatomised print the terme is more fit for you these whom you stand for a terme fit for your provinciall and nationall Synods from whom there is no appeale but to whose judg ments all must submit as to an ordinance of Christ though but to question what is done by them is to be guilty of faction schisme arrogancy these you call independants confesse that they are accountable for their actions to every neighbour Church that shall in the name of Christ require it they stand not independent from others but hold communion with all other Churches both in the ordinances and asking counsall and advise mutually to let your other loose language passe much with what is in the former take some Christian advise remember you have not your hand in darkening the glory of any of the Saints take heed of defaming a way which for ought you know may be a way of Christ it will cost you many a sigh afterward if God should convince you you know Christ will never owne bitternesse in maintaining any way though consonant to his Word Remember neither you nor the Synod are infalliable but as subject to errors as others never more damnable Heresies confirmed then by Synods I speak not this to cast Concil Trent any blot on Synods or this Synod espcially in which there are many holy and learned men but to show that a man is not bound in conscience to follow their decrees upō penalty of sin arrogancy c. and not to seeke the least exemption from what they determin whose decrees may be subject to as great errors as any Oh that a spirit of love were maintained among these which are brethren though men differ in judgment must they needs differ in affection M. Prin if you will needs be busie in this controuersie leave off your Quaeries for we will deny them all state your question set forth your arguments open the Scriptures you quote to fill up the margent be as breefe as may be call in your passion and consider and doubt not of an answer to what you shall modestly set forth FINIS