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A41233	The lawfull preacher, or, A short discourse proving that they only ought to preach who are ordained ministers occasionally delivered in some lectures at Epping by John Ferriby, minister of Thoydon-Garnon in Essex ; now printed upon the anti-preaching of some against it in the same pulpit about the latter end of November last : as also the pulpit-guard-relieved, in a short appendix in answer to a late book called the pulpit-guard-relieved / written by Tho. Collier.	Ferriby, John, b. 1613 or 14.	1653 (1653)	Wing F819A; ESTC R32027	69,768	96

censure What they would have done he knows not I know who do labour to suck the bloud of the lambs of Christ Let me tell him time was that if others had exercised such cruelty against him and his party as he would have inflicted now upon the Ministers of Christ his tongue must not have run at this rate It is pity so much tendernesse should be repaid with so great severity But the Proverb is true Pag. 20. We have no true Church no true Ministers How then got he to be of a Church or when did the true Church begin For Pag. 29. We are not speaking saith he out of but in a constituted Church He is much put to it to answer that Argument If gifted men may preach then gifted women too This saith he is your conclusion we say and the Scripture saith that gifted Brethren may preach you Will will conclude that gifted women may preach But where doth the Scripture mention gifted brethren more then gifted women I had thought gifting had been the qualification thè sending and then in one as well as another Let people see what pains he takes to shift off the truth what ●oles he runs into so prevent a conviction Nay Pag. 60. he saith Women may prophesie too though not in the Church or at Last by the permission of the Church For which ●●●●…geth 1 Cor. 11 5. An excellent interpretation Paul saith the women must not be permitted to speak in the Church and he would move they may with his glosse upon another pi●●● But besides what is answered by the Gentleman t●●●… I shall 〈◊〉 that Learned Mead expounds it of singing and for that exposition urgeth ●Chron 25. 2. 1 Sam. 10. 5. where prophesying is taken in the same sense Every woman that praisth or singeth praise c. He labours much to take off those answers given to what is urged from 1 Cor. 14 But for all he saith to that I shall referre the Reader to what I have spoken of that place and of the argument drawn thence in the former part of this Book He acknowledgeth prophesying to be extraordinary under the law but not in Gospel-daies pag. 60. If it were ordinary in the Primitive times why was it given then by Revelation Why were not all that had gifts Prophets If it be ordinary now Why doth it not continue If Th. Collier can but discover that there is such a gift of prophesying now as was then when ut suprà they received immediate Revelation when they could foretell things to come when they could by sudden instinct explain dark and difficult Prophecies he will speak something but I do not see that is attempted I would advise him never to urge that Scripture more until he can manifest such a gift Yet I cannot but observe his learned exposition upon the 32. verse of 1 Cor. 14. Let the spirits of the Prophets be subject to the Prophets P. 21. i. They are able to contain themselves and be silent while another speaks When it it is said ver 29 that they must speak two or three and the others judge The text it self tels you what subjection is meant there i. to the judgement of the Prophets Surely if he had such a measure of the Spirit that he pretends to he would have more skill in discerning of Scripture Let none think that he hath the spirit of prophesying spoken of 1 Cor. 14. that can no better explain so easie a Text Master Hall The Gentleman having said that the holy Ghost commends Learning He replies pag. 41. Holy Ghosts Is there any such word in all the Scripture as Ghost How now which way went the Spirit of God from him What immediatly inspired yet ignorant of this hath he forgotten Mat. 28 20. Hath Baptism been so long out of fashion that he hath forgotten the words of it Is Act. 2. 4. besides other places quite out of his minde Hath his new and clear light dazled his eyes or hath he been digging so long in the bottomlesse pit that the smoak hath wholly beclouded him He would know whether Pauls gift and ours were received different waies p. 45. I shall grant they were yet deny his false inference we may have gifts from the same spirit yet in a diverse manner As different gifts so different wayes of conferring them were from the same spirit Paul had his by immediate Revelation we receive ours more mediatly by the use of means One man takes up water at the Fountain is it not the same water or must it be wickedly come by that another takes up in the channell Why had he not as well questioned what Timothy's gift had been when it was different from Pauls too What is spoken concerning Numb. 11. 25. to the 30. is sufficiently cleared before yet without further reference he grants me enough that it was an extraordinary spirit of prophecie then whatsoever may be practised in Gospel dayes that place will afford us no Argument in ordinary times when extraordinary gifts are not given Jehoshaphat sent Princes to teach pag. 62. from 2 Chron. 19. but you 'll see the Levites had the Law of the Lord vers. 11. It is urged May not you do your self what you may command your servant to do No A King might command a Judge to hear and determine Causes which he may not do himself A King inthose dayes might command a Priest to offer sacrifice which to have done himself had been sin Our Iehoshaphats saith he pag. 63. have of late rather encouraged the gifted brethren for to teach then prohibited them I think the State is little beholding to him If another should have said so much it might have been taken ill I am sure they have not yet recalled those Ordinances of Parliament made against such Preachers He that sent Christ extraordinarily sends lay Prophets ordinarily pag. 67. that remains yet to be proved this is per idem as he learnedly answers in anothers place Let us but see the examples of any in Scripture that ever Preached who were no otherwise sent then our gifted brethren are now You have seen the Apostles and Disciples were sent extraordinarily by the immediate voice of God but these although they urge their examples have no such mission He would perswade us that Prophesying was not an Office but a gift pag. 60. alibi yet it is numbred among the severall Offices of the Church Rom 12. 7. he confesseth that the Office of Ministers is meant in the same place why then not prophesying when they are equally called gifts so they are called too Ephes. 4. 11. yet there meant of Offices I shall say nothing of his vain-glorious crying up himself and his Party as the only gifted the only godly men his despitefull reproaching of the Ministers of Jesus Christ as wicked ignorant Antichristian Devils what not Let the world judge who have the best gifts and by this who have the most pride I could quickly shew you a parallell between their

of Christ to the Gentiles vers. 15. The Thessalonians were commanded to edifie one another 1 Thes. 5. 11. yea they must warn the unruly comfort the feeble-minded support the weak vers. 14. this could not be done without a treasury of gifts yet they were not to be exercised in a Ministeriall preaching for at the same time they must know them that labour among them and are over them in the Lord and esteem them highly c. ver. 12 13. they must not quench the Spirit vers. 19. which Zanchius expounds in one sense of quenching the spirit of the Ministers by discountenancing and discouraging them Nor despise Prophesying ver. 26. Yet further I finde there is much stresse in Scripture laid upon mens outward call to an Office by which they receive their designation and Commission to execute it When Christ taught in the Temple and none doubted his abilities that they could not quarrel with him for them the chief Priests and Elders questioned his authority that they might finde an occasion of contempt for want of that Mat. 21. 23. By what authority dost thou these things and who gave thee this authority it was spoken only of his outward call to it Nay Christ himself commands people to obey evill Ministers who although wicked men yet having an outward call must be hearkned to Mat. 23. 2 3. The Scribes and Pharisees fit in Moses chair all therefore they bid you observe that observe and do there is a strong emphasis in the illative Therefore because they sate in Moses chair and in Calvins words were publike preachers of the Law they must be hearkned to in what they spake from the Law Probably Christ could have divided the Land with more equity and lesse partiality then an authorized Judge yet having no call to it although in a lesser businesse then in the work of the Ministry he would not meddle only ●o nomine as not being Commissioned Who made me a Judge Luke 12. 14. 2. All who have gifts must not preach the work of a Minister is only to be performed by him who is called to the Office it is unlawfull in others Preaching of the word is one part of the Ministers Office but all that have gifts must not perform it for it is forbidden to women to speak in the Church 1 Cor. 13. 34. who it may be many of them have better gifts then some of those that think themselves sufficiently gifted for it Whatsoever the practice of some women in some places is the Scripture must be our rule which will not permit it Administring the Sacraments is another peece of a Ministers work but this only gifted men cannot perform they are not Sacraments as administred by them The same Commission whereby Christ authorized his Disciples to preach gave them power to baptize too Mat. 28 19. Go teach all Nations baptizing them c. this the Apostles practised the whole Ministry of John is named under baptism Matth. 21. 25. The baptism of John whence is it it is meant of the Ministery of John But those who through their gifts deem themselves sufficient to preach will not judge themselves fit to administer the Sacraments Yet the Apostle looks upon Preaching as the greater service 1 Cor. 1. 17. I am not sent to baptize but to preach It is spoken there comparatively preaching the Gospel was his chief and greatest businesse The performance of the outward act is not to administer a Sacrament if he be not called to the Office that executes it It hath been received among the Churches of Christ that if a person be baptized by one called to the Office although an evill man or his Call not right in every circumstance it shall stand if a Papist who hath been formerly baptized should be converted to the true Religion he should not be baptized again whereas baptism administred by a Midwife or only some gifted person is no baptism the person must afterward be baptized by an Officer A gifted member may give you bread to eat and wine to drink but it is only a Minister that can administer the Sacrament A gifted person may sprinkle water upon the face of a childe but it must be a Minister only that can baptize in the name of God And if I may speak it a gifted brother may speak good things but it 's a Minister only that can preach the Gospel It is another part of a Ministers businesse to binde and to loose Joh. 20. 23. it was spoken to the Disciples which is only declarative not that they have power to for give sins but surely gifted men who were not called to the Office will not undertake this imployment to binde and loose This is the second Proposition 3 Christ hath set Officers in the Church for the work of the Ministery which are distinct from the flock to whom he hath committed the word of reconciliation Christ gave these as gifts to men when he ascended he left some Apostles some Evangelists some Prophets some Pastors some Teachers Eph. 4. 8 11. He toucheth the principall and publike Offices of the Church whereof the three first were extraordinary for those Primitive times and the two last ordinary and perpetual It is a good note of Zanchius that these gifts should be used to preserve not to destroy the Churches union What Christ's end in giving then was is manifest v. 12 13 for the work of the Ministry for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the body of Christ How can gifted brethren take to them any of these Titles unlesse they be in the number of those Officers how can they dare perform any of this work unless they are called to some of these functions For these Officers are distinct from the flock edifying of the body of Christ feeding of the flock was the great end of their being given it is certain that all the body of Christ yea every member of the body hath some gifts if that will sufficiently authorize them to be Teachers when the Scripture hath proposed no measure what body would there be left to edifie Besides the holy Ghost is said to make them Overseers over the flock Act. 20. 28. and to fied the Church of God Who must be fed or what of the flock must be overseen if every gifted member may be a Teacher may become a Pastor Nay to them is committed the word of reconciliation 2 Cor. 5. 19. Surely every gifted member will not pretend to this that the word of reconciliation should be committed to them Nor can it be thought that those Officers were all of them as some only temporary that they were constituted for the Primitive times only for the promise of Christ to his disciples is to be with them to the end of the world Mat. 28. 20. which could not be restrained only to the persons of the Disciples who were so far from living till the end of the world that being sent

not preach What he speaks of sending pag. ead. prox I 'le speak somewhat to and because upon that and two things more hangs all his discourse the full answer of which shakes the whole book I le stand a little on them yet not neither because they have been so fully answered already ut suprà 1. Gifting is sending it relates to the internall power of the Spirit in the Saints c. ibid. Indeed there must be a sending from God where men are faithfull Ministers but there must be besides an outward designation to the Office where any be lawfull Preachers But besides what hath been spoken already in the Sermons That only gifting is not the sending the Apostle mentions I 'le shew you in Scripture that sending is only spoken of the outward setting those apart for the service who are sent Not to name what is so much and so often spoken of Christs being sent by his Father Where Isaiah was to go about Gods service the Lord asked Whem shall I send and Isaiah said Send me Isa 6. 8 9. it was not spoken of gifting him that was done before but of his outward mission and thus it is explained by all I meet withall who had as much of the Spirit to interpret Scripture by as this pretender The Disciples were sent when after they were gifted they were bid to go Mat. 10. 1 5. yea he seems himself to distinguish where p. 24. it is said The gifting and sending of the gifted brethren is when the Lord inableth them in a measure to it and saith to them Go. Are not gifting and saying go two distinct acts which is manifest in Paul Act. 22. 14 15 10 22 whom he instanceth in although he would falsly infer the contrary from another Scripture yea would delude people by telling them that he preached before he was separated Acts 13. 2. but I say he did not preach before he was by a speciall command sent by Christ To this purpose were the Apostles said when by fasting praier and imposition of hands they separated Paul and Barnabas to send them Acts 13. 4. 2. He is very unhappy in confounding ordinary with extraordinary cases which is so much answered already that I scarce know what to say more I there shewed that those who were sent most extraordinarily were besides gifting of them set apart for the service and what setting apart ordinarily was afterward practised Although the Ministers were not immediatly sent by God which was extraordinary yet they had praier and laying on of hands the ordinary designation the Scripture mentions This he pretends not to if he hath an extraordinary mission let him discover it Extraordinary gifts we finde none if God hath any time said to him as to the Disciples go or as to Paul Acts 22. 22. I 'le send thee to the Gentiles whose examples chiefly he useth to prove his Calling let him manifest it If he shall any more adventure upon such a businesse as this let him no more pleade extraordinary Cals but in extraordinary cases let him not urge Act. 8. Disciples practice unless he can parallell the cases to It will else be to as little purpose as this 3. He often distinguisheth between the gift and the Office A gifted member may exercise his gift although not execute the Office I say their gifts may be exercised but it must be within the bounds of their calling not in the place of Officers A file-leader if he be able may exercise his file or two files c. but he must not carry them much lesse the whole company into the field nor engage them against the enemy till he hath Commission In the exercise of a private Christians gift there is but a charitative admonition which hath no other obligation but as the matter may be good he speaks in the execution of an Office there is an Obligation to obedience virtute offlcij ut suprà Yet notwithstanding his former distinction he saith page 27 28. That a gifted brother may baptize and administer the Supper too Strange may they do all the service of an Officer yet not execute the Office It is time for me to cry down such Logick too In the administring of Baptisin there is but little exercise of gifts I should have though this had been part of a Ministers Office When he so confidently asserted this I expected proportionable proof I thought I should have heard of some extraordinary things at extraordinary times and cases which I should have answered quod fieri non debet factum valet but all the prof I finde is of Johns baptizing ib. And was not John commissioned for the service And the disciples who were then the ordinary Christians baptized p. e●d Did they baptize when they were but ordinary Christians before they were sent forth by Christ But if when they baptized there were not other Christians whom did they baptiz And Peter commanded people to be baptized Act 10. ib. and he saith it is probable there were gifted preaching brethren who aid the work Away with such probabilities I see it is lawfull when it may serve some mens turns to draw inferences from Scripture nor will Act. 8. again urged prove any thing But to delude the people he saith Preaching disciples may baptize What then They who had or have a Commission to preach might or may baptize the same Commission including both may those therefore either preach or baptize who have no Commission at all p. 30. he saith Preaching and baptism are not so united together as never to be separated But whatsoever he pretends we finde them put into the same Commission nor for all the smoak he raiseth do I think he can produce one example in the whole Scripture of any that ever baptized who was not Commissioned to preach The command makes things lawfull or unlawfull saith he ibid. An excellent position one of the clearest truths in his whole Book and I could wish that as it holds so it were beleeved and practised in all things I shall inferre That till he proveth there is some command or what is equivalent for the preaching of only gifted men he must give me leave to call it unlawfull I shall speak nothing to his bitter inveighing against Presbytery in great part of his Book only let you see his black mouth and self-contradictions You have altered the name from Bishop Priest and Jesuite to Presbyter pag. 22. And were not Presbyters long before Jesuite Priest or Bishop either in his sense Pag. 22. he saith There was a Presbytery in the primitive times Yet Pag. 25. It was a strange name till lately Will people never be sensible of such mens abuses Had he but some few of these gifts that many of the godly Ministers of Christ have he would finde Presbyters often enough in Scripture See how he foams Pag. 27. Presbyterian wolves c. if they could have prevailed they would have sucked the bloud of the lambs of Christ A charitable