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A14772 A briefe instruction By way of dialogue, concerninge the principall poyntes of Christian religio[n], gathered out of the holy scriptures, lathers, and councels. By the Reuere[n]de M. George Doulye priest. Warford, William, 1560-1608. 1604 (1604) STC 25068; ESTC S102696 93,570 322

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reason that in the primitiue Church for euery mortall sinne men vvere vvonte to doe penance many yeares and that novv deuotion and charity is vvaxen so cold that one man vvill sometimes cōmitt tvvēty or forty mortall sinnes in one yeare and by that accompte de serue ā 100. sometimes a 1000. yeares of penaunce excepte penances vveare shortened and pardons enlarged in this fraylty of man it vvould be harde to giue God and the Church satisfaction M. Truly so it is and more is the pitty but hereby vve see hovv iustly vvee call the Church our mother and the Pope our father seeinge they deale so gently vvith vs. But lett vs goe forvvard vvith the Creede and tell me the meaninge of the sixt Article D. The sixt article is He ascended in to heauen and sitteth on the right hand of God the father almightie VVhich ascensiō beinge full fortie dayes after his Resurrection doth so assure vs of the verity of all the mysteryes of his lyfe and passion as there can be no further doubt of them and this as the conclusion of the reste doth manifestly assure vs of the greate glorie and majestie vvhich novv he retaineth in heauen M. And vvhat meaneth it to say that Christ after his ascension sitteth on the right hand of God the father hath God the father any right hand D. No sir for he is a spirite and hath no bodie but vvhen vve say he sitteth on the right hand the meaninge is that Christ in that be is God hath the same glorie honor povver vvith his father not inferior nor superior but equall and in that he is man God the father hath giuen him more glorie honor and povver then to all the Angels and saintes in heauen M. Let vs come to the seauenth article vvhich is From thence he shall come to iudge the quicke the dead Doe you Knovve hovv this iudgment shal be D. Yea Sir for it shal be as saint Paule sayeth in greate terrour and majestye in the Voice and trumpet of an Angell at vvhat tyme the vvhole vvorld shal be destroyed vvhith fire as it vvas vvith vvater in the deluge vvhich day no man shall Knovv hovv neare or farre it is of the dead shall rise and those that are then liuinge shall presently die and sodainly rise againe to the ende they may haue their due to death At vvhich tyme shal cease dayes and nightes mariadge and merchandise and all these other things vvhich vve novv see vsed in this vvorlde M. To vvhat purpose then shall those be iudged vvhich haue alreadie in the hovvre of their death receiued their final sentence and verdicte D. For diuers causes and first because the bodie vvith the soule shall haue his iudgment of paine and glorie euerlastinge vvhich before it had not Secondly for the glorie of Christes saintes vvhich as they vveare in this vvorld persecuted and euell intreated so there they shal be in the sight of the vvhole vvorld by God glorified Thirdly for the glorie of Christe because hauing been vnjustly cōdemned of many neither Knovvne not honoured as vvas conuenient so is it good reason that there should come a day vvherin the vvhole vvorld eyther by loue or force should both Knovve him and honour him as their Kinge lord and soueraigne Fourthelie for the confusion of the proude enemies of God Lastly for the glorie of God him selfe against all Atheistes and incredulous persons vvho measuringe Gods prouidēce by their ovvne carnall desires because they see often tymes the just to be afflicted and the vvicked to lyue in prosperitie thinke that God doth not vvell gouerne this vvorld But then they shall see that all this hath been by Gods highe vvisedome and goodnesse vvherby he shall there as justly condemne the vvicked for their sinnes as he doth here in this lyfe revvarde their slender good vvorkes vvith temporall cōmodities As contraryvvise his servantes in this lyfe be punished for small offences to enriche them in the nexte for their good vvorkes vvhith an infinite treasure of glorie M. VVhat is comprised in the eyght article I beleeue in the holy ghoaste D. That the holy ghoast the thirde person of the holie Trinitye is the same God of aequall povver vvhith the father and the sonne the other tvvo persons of the blessed Trinitye And he is called the holy ghoast or spirite because all other spirites vvhether of men or Angels though neuer so holy haue of him receaued all their sanctification to vvhose goodnes are also attributed all other giftes and graces of God vvhich are reparted in the vvhole Catholique Churche M. VVhat meaneth it that the holy ghoast is painted in the forme of a doue and some times in the forme of fier and clouen tongues D. Not because the holy ghoast hath any corporall forme or shape of him selfe but to represente vnto vs in the doue the holy simplicitie puritie and zeale of those soules vvhich he replenisheth And in the fiery tongues is signified the comminge dovvne of the holy ghoast ten dayes after Christes Ascension vpon his Apostles and disciples vvhome he then filled vvhith all Kinde of Knovvledge vvhich is signified by the light of that fier vvith charitie vvhich is signified by the burninge flames of the same and thirdly vvith eloquence vvhich is signified by the fierie tongues all vvhich vvere necessarie for the publishing and propagation of his gospell M. Novv then declare vnto me the ninth article I beleeue the holy Catholique Church the communion of saintes Hovv doe you beleeue the holy Catholique Church and hovv shall vve be able to distinguishe it frō all other synagogues and heretical congregations D. I beleeue the Catholique Church as our deare louinge mother vvhich therfore vvill neuer deceive vs and credite her as Christes true spouse vvhich therfore can not erre for the vvhich also saint Paule calleth her the piller and firmament or foundatiō of truth and to vvhome our Sauiour ascendinge in to heauen promised the holy ghoast to remaine vvith her and to instruct and teache her all truth M. And vvhat signes can you giue me vvhearby I may Knovve vvhich is the Catholique Church D. Those vvhich this holy Creede and the Creede of the counsell of Nice doth put vvhich are infallible and sufficient M. VVhich are those D. These foure Vnam Sanctam The signes of the ●●●e Church Catholicam Apostolicom That is to say in English One Holy Catholique and Apostolick To the vvhich vve may adde the fifte Romanam That is the Romaine M. VVhy may not the hereticKes say the same of theyr Church also D. No for they first are not one The first signe One See Vinc. ●yrinens Tertull. Epiphan Philastr Augus Cypr. contra haereses Ephe. 4. versi 5. because they are deuided into many sects and some are Lutherans some Caluinists some Puritans some Protestantes others of the familie of loue and so forth and as Bozius de sig Eccl. recordeth in these fevve yeares since Martin Luther fled
tell D. Very vvell 〈◊〉 it is nothinge els but a forme of recitinge the Pater noster and Aue Marie vnder a certayne number for the exercise of oure deuotion to CHRISTE and oure B. Ladie and as there be diuers manners of recitinge these prayers so haue they allso diuers names as the Corona vvhich is in honoure of the. 63. yeares vvhich oure Ladie liued in this vvorlde the Rosarie vvhich is in honoure of the Mysteries of CHRISTES lyfe and Passion to the number of 50. three tymes repeated sayenge 10. Aue Maries for euerie Pater noster M. And vvhy say you so many A●e Maries so fevv Pater nosters D. This no doubte vvas firste instituted accordinge to the deuotion of the inuētor or firste author of this forme of prayer but because the greate Patriarche Saint Dominicke did in his tyme recommēde this forme of prayer to all Catholikes againste the haeretiques of his tyme it hath euer since been in especiall estimatiō moste frequētelie vsed of all Christians the Catholicke Church hauinge euer this custome to gyue more honoure reuerēce to those thinges vvhich are moste ●mpugned by her aduersaries as may appeare in the greate honoure is exhibited to the holie Crosse the B. Sacramente and the mother of God vvhome heretiques haue allvvayes especiallye blasphemed and impugned And allbeit the number of the Aue Maries be greater yeat doth yt nothinge derogate from the seruice of God seinge all is principallye and finallye directed and referred to his honoure M. And is there any reason vvhy they shoulde be ten rather then nine or eyghte or anye other number D. None but that I haue specified excepte peraduenture because this number allso in Scripture is sometymes esteemed as sacred and somevvhat appropriated to holye thinges as beinge the perfection and summe of all primitiue numbers for the vvhich cause some note that the Magnificat vvhich oure B. Ladie sange vvith suche exultation of the holye ghoaste conteyneth juste ten versicles and is therfore compared to that decachorde or instrumente of ten stringes vvherevvith her progenitoure Kinge Dauid vvas so delighted M. But vvere these numerall Mysteries thincke you the cause vvhy this forme of prayer vvas instituted D. I thincke not trulye for allbeit these mysteries be verye conueniente and helpe oure deuotion yeat I haue hearde that the true beginninge of these nūbers in prayenge vvas to helpe oure memorie therby to discharge this exercise vvith more facilitie and certaintie M. Haue you any example in the Scriptures or Ecclesiasticall Histories vvherby this matter may be authorized for the sectaries doe verye injuriouslye speake of it D. No vvonder sir for they herein follovv that spirite of pride and impietie vvhich leadeth thē more blinded in greater matters allso but vve are litle to regarde vvhat enemies of deuotion and vertue calumniate so longe as vve are sure the vvisedome of holye Church approueth oure doinges and it is euidente in the Scripture that Dauid did seuen tymes a daye praye Psal 118. and prayse God and Daniel three tymes euerye day adored tovvarde the holye citie Saint Bartholomevv vve read did bovv his knees to pray an hundred tymes in euerye Dan. c. 6. ver 10. 24. hovvres and Ecclesiasticall aunciente histories recorde some 1300. yeares since of an heremite called Paulus vvhich did carye Pallad ad Lausum sect 20. 21. Niceph. l. 11. c. 36. Cassiod lib. 8. tripart cap. 1. 300. litle stones in a scrippe aboute his necke of purpose to helpe his memorie in discharginge the taske of prayers vvhich he had appointed him selfe to recite euerie day to Gods honoure and Saint Macarius vvas vvonte besides his other laboures to say euerie day an 100. particulare prayers a certayne Virgen of the same tyme. 700. all vvhich had need of some suche instrumente to helpe they re memorie and novv allso to this day the religious heremites of Camaldoli in Hetruria vse the Corone or beades of 33. Pater nosters and so manye Aue Maries in honoure of the yeares vvhich CHRISTE liued in this vvorlde and some haue not amisse noted the proportion that there are juste so manye syllables in the Aue Marie vvhich the Church novv vseth as there are Aue Maries in the Corona of oure ladye vvhich are 63. as hath been spoken M. VVhy vvere it not enoughe to saye once the Pater noster and Aue Marie can not God as vvell heare vs vvith one as vvith an hundred prayers D. This objection is ordinarie to protestantes as vvell in this as in many other matters the diuell beinge an enemie to much prayer and therfore vvoulde fayne haue it quickelie concluded but this vvas not the spirite of oure Sauioure vvhich vvatched vvhole nightes in prayer to gyue vs example nor of the Prophete Dauid Hieremie especiallye vvho seem to be delighted vvith repeatinge the same manner of speache vvhen it vvas suche as pleased thē vvas to the purpose as particularlie in the Psalmes is euidēte vvhere nothīge is more ordinarie vsuall then to say sometymes euerie seconde verse And his mercye is for euermore M. I need no farther ansvveare for this let vs passe to some other matter ❧ Of the Seuen Capitall ❧ Sinnes CHAP. IX M. VVELL novv let vs speake of sinne Seuen Capitall Sinnes Vide Cassian Collat. 5. l. 5. Greg. l. 31. moral cap. 3● Chrysos hom 43. ad popul Antioch Prosper ad Demetr l. 3. de vita contēplatiua cap. 2 Greg. lib. 23. moral c. 7. lib. 34 cap. 17 17. Isidor l. 2. de summo be●● c. 31. Bern. de gradibus humilit C●ss degri●cip vit tell me hovv many kinde of sinnes are there D. Tvvo that is originall and actuall M. VVhat is originall sinne D. It is that sinne vvherevvith vve are borne and haue as it vvere by inheritance from our firste father Adam and is purged by baptisme M. And actuall sinne hovv is it diuided D. In to mortall and veniall and of mortall some cry for vengeance to heauen and they are 4. some are againste the holye ghoaste and they are 6. and some are called Capitall and are 7. M. VVhich are the .7 deadly sinnes and vvhy are they called Capitall or deadly D. They are these pride couetousnes lechery vvrath glotony enuye and slouth vvhich are called deadly or mortall not because they are allvvayes damnable for they may be so sleyght in some circumstance as they vvoulde be but veniall but because they are the rootes or heades of all other and are the principall and therefore called capitall M. VVhat is the difference betvveene a mortall sinne and a veniall D. A mortall sinne doth kill the soule depriuinge it of Gods grace and loue vvhich is a kinde of spirituall lyfe inducinge lyfe euerlastinge But a veniall sinne doth onely vveaken Gods grace in vs and dispose the soule to further euill vvhich is to vvaxe cold in Gods seruice and loue M. VVhy is it called veniall D. Because it is more