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A04458 An apologie, or aunswer in defence of the Church of England concerninge the state of religion vsed in the same. Newly set forth in Latin, and nowe translated into Englishe.; Apologia Ecclesiae Anglicanae. English Jewel, John, 1522-1571.; Parker, Matthew, 1504-1575. 1562 (1562) STC 14590; ESTC S107763 88,955 140

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perceaued out of what kinred euery man was descendid to be burned and vtterly to be defaced onely to this ende that nothing hereafter should remayne in recorde wherby it might appeare that he were a stranger Euen so doe these men in all pointes when as bicause they would haue all their deuises to be had in as great price as though they had bene deliuered from the Apostels or from Christe leaste that any thyng should at any time remayne that might reproue such dreames and lies other they burne the holy scriptures or craftely conueye them from the people Chrysostome surely writeth very well and agaynst the endeuour of these men excedyng aptly Heretikes sayth he shut vp the gates agaynst the truthe for they know right well if they be open the Churche shall not be on theyr side And Theophylacte The worde of God saythe he is the lanterne of light whereby the thief is espied And Tertullian sayth The holy scripture doth trie out the guyles theftes of heretikes For why doe thei hyde why doe they kepe vnder couert that gospel which Christ would haue to sounde from the toppes of houses Why doe they conuey y t light vnder a busshel whiche ought to stande vpon the candelstike why doe thei repose their trust rather in the blindnes ignorāce of the vnskilful multitude than in the goodnes of their cause Doe they suppose that theyr sleyghts be not yet espied or that they can nowe as thoe they had Gyges ring walke inuisible Assure your selfe now all menne seeth well inough what is within that same storeboxe of the Popes bosome euen this thing onely maye be a good argument y t they deale not vprightly and truely That cause ought of right to be suspected that flyeth the triall light For he that doeth euil as Christ saith seketh after darkenes and hateth the light A cleare cōsciēce offereth him self willingly to the shew that those workes whiche doe procede from God maye be seene They ar not so vtterly blinde but that they see this wel inough that if the scriptures haue the vpper hāde their kingdome is by and by ouerthrowen and that like as it is sayd of the Idols of the Gētyles frō whome in old time they fetched all oracles answers that at the presence of Christe when he came into the world they sodenly became dumme euen so now also at the sight of the gospel al theyr sleightes by and by fall headlong to the grounde For Antichrist is not ouerthrowē but by the clearnesse of Christes commyng We flee not as these menne are wonte to doe to the fyre but to the scriptures nor we doe not besege them with the sworde but with the worde of God thereby as Tertullian sayth we doe nurrish our fayth thereby we doe rayse vp our hope thereby we doe establish our assurāce For we know that the gospel of Iesus Christ is the powre of God vnto saluation and that in hit is euerlasting life And therfore we giue no eare according as S. Paule doth admonish vs no not to an Angel of God cōming from heauē in case he goe about to withdrawe vs frō any parte of this doctrine No as y e right holy mā Iustinus martyr sayth of him self We wold not beleue God himself in case he would teach vs an other gospel For where as these mē doe shake of y e scriptures as things y t cā not speake ar good for nothing and appeale rather vnto God himselfe speaking in the Church in councels y t is to say to their owne fansies opiniōs y t is bothe a very uncertain way to finde out the truth very ful of daunger somwhat like y e heathenysh māner of illudynge the people w t their furious inspirations such a waye as of the holy fathers was neuer approued Chrysostome saythe y t ofte times there be many that bragge of the holy ghoste but certainely sayth he they y t speake of their owne heades doe vntruly boaste thē selfe to haue the spirit of God For like as Christe sayeth he what time he spake out of the lawe and the Prophetes denied that he spake of him self euē so nowe if any other thyng but the gospell be enforced vpon vs vnder the name of the holy ghost we ought not to beleue it for as Christ is the fulfilling of the law the Prophetes so is the Spirite the fulfillyng of the gospell these be the wordes of S. Chrysostome But these menne although they haue not the holy scriptures yet peraduēture they haue the auncient doctors and holy fathers For in this they haue alwayes made their vaunt that all antiquite and the vniuersall consent of al ages was on their side Againe that al our opiniōs ar newe and grene and neuer hearde of before these fewe yeres nowe laste paste Doubtles there is nothing can be spoken of greater weight against the religion of God then when it is accused of noueltie for like as in God him self so in his religion there ought to be nothyng newe neuerthelesse we can not tel how it cometh to passe that from the beginning of the world we haue alwaies seene it in experiēce that as oftē as God wolde as it were kindle and disclose his truth vnto men althoe it were of it self not onely most aunciēt but also euerlastyng yet of wicked men and of such as were enemies therunto it was called grene and newe stuffe A man that wicked bloudy man onely to brynge the Iewes into hatered accused them to the king Assuerus after this sorte Thou haste here saieth he O king a people which in vsing certain newe lawes ar agaynst al thy lawes stobberne and rebellious Paule also at Athens so sone as he beganne to teache and to set forth the gospel was reported to be a setter forth of new goddes that is to say of newe religion And may we not saye they learne of the what māner of new doctrine is this And Celsus what time he wrote of purpose against Christ to the intent that after a more contemptuous māner he might scoffe out the Gospel with a slaunder of nouelty Hath God saith he now at the length after so many ages called himself to so late a rememberance Eusebius saith also that Christiā religion euen from the beginning was called in reproche 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is to saye new and strange Euen after the same sorte these men doe condemne all things that we doe allow for new and straunge their owne thinges againe whatsoeuer they be they will haue them to be commended as moste auncient And lyke as Necromanciers and Witches at this day such as haue to doe with Deuils are wont to say that thei haue their bookes and all their sacred hidd misteries from Athanasius from Cyprian from Moises from Abel from Adam and also from Raphael the Archangel to the intent that that skil which had proceded frō such authors and inuentours might be
out by the holy and canonical Scriptures and y t which can not abide the trial of thē is not y e Church Yet these men I can not tell howe whether it be of reuerence or of cōscience or for dispayre of the victory doe alwayes abhorre and flee Gods worde euen as a thief dothe the gallous Nother is it any maruell at al. For like as it is sayde of the golde worme that in the ioyce of Balsme an ointment to all other respectes of moste sweete and delicate sauour he is sone dispatched and killed so they in Gods worde doe see theyr cause as it were in poyson to be vtterly dispatched destroyed Wherefore to the intent they might the more easily driue the people from the scriptures as from a moste daungerous and a hurtful thing the whiche neuerthelesse our sauiour Iesus Christ did not only vse in al his cōmon talke but also at the laste sealed them with his bloud thei ar wont to cal thē a colde an vncertaine an vnprofitable a dumme a killing a dead lettre Which vnto vs semeth to be asmuche as thoe they had sayd they be no scriptures at all But they sticke not to adde thereunto a similitude not al together of the beste making that thei be in maner as it were a nose of waxe that maye be fashioned and turned into all manner of shapes and serue euery mans purpose Trowe ye the Pope is ignorant that these thinges ar spoken euen by his owne derelinges Or dothe he not vnderstande that he hath such Champions Let him heare therefore how deuoutly how godly one Hosius writeth of this matter a Poloniane as he him self sayth a Byshop doutles an eloquent man not vnlearned and a very earnest and stoute defender of his cause He wil maruel I suppose that any man fearyng God coulde other thynke so wickedly of those wordes whiche he knoweth to haue proceded from the mouthe of God or write so slaunderously and that specially in suche sorte as that he would not haue it to be taken for his own iudgement alone but as the cōmon iudgement of them all In deede I doe not denie but he dothe dissemble his owne personne doth so propoūde the matter as thoe not he nor mē of his sorte but y e heretikes called Zuenkfeldians did speake after y t māner We sayth he as touchyng y e very scriptures wherof we see brought in now a daies so many interpretatiōs not only diuerse amōgst them self but also cōtrary one to an other wil bidde Away with thē And wil rather heare God speake then turne our selfs towardes these beggerly elementes in them repose y e hope of our saluatiō It is not requisit to be cūning in the lawe in y e scriptures but to be taught of God It is but vaine labour y t which is bestowed vpō y e scripture for y e scripture is a creature and a certain beggerly elemēt These be y e wordes of Nosius writē no doubt w t the same spirite minde wherw t Montanus in time paste Marcion did speake of whome it is sayd y t they were wōte to say at what time they would contemptuously reiect the holy scriptures that they knewe many bothe moe better thinges then euer other Christ or his Apostles did knowe What shall I saye therefore in this pointe O ye pillers of Religion o ye prelates of the Church of Christ is this the reuerence that you giue vnto Gods worde Dare you so deale with the holy Scriptures the whiche S. Paule sayth ar deliuered vnto vs by inspiraciō from God the whiche God hath adorned and set forth with so many miracles in the which the most euident footesteppes of Christes passage ar certainely imprynted whiche all the holy fathers whiche the Apostles whiche the Angels whiche Christe him selfe the sonne of God when neede required did call to witnes Dare you I say abide away with thē as though they were vnworthy to be hearde of you Is not this to commaunde God him self whoe most euidently speketh vnto you in the scriptures to kepe silence or will you call that worde by the whiche onely as S. Paule saythe we ar reconciled vnto God and whiche Dauid saith is holy and pure and shall endure for euer by the name onely of a beggerly and a dead element or will you saye that to bestowe our labour about that thing whiche Christe commaunded vs diligently to serche and alwayes to haue before our eyes is a vayne labor and to none effect And that Christ and the Apostles what time they did exhorte the people to the redyng of the holy scriptures that out of them thei might become plentifull in all wisdome and knowlege did goe about to abuse menne with lies It is no meruaile thoe these men despise vs and all that we doe or say whiche make so litle accounte of God him self and of his moste holy worde Yet was it but a folish deuise of them in seking to hurte vs to commit so haynous an iniurie agaynst the worde of God But Hosius will crie out we doe him iniurie and that these be not his but Zuinkfeldius wordes But what if Zuenkfeldius also crie that they be not his but Hosius wordes For wher did Zuinkfelde euer write thē or if he did write them and Nosius iudged them to be wicked why did he not at y e least speake one worde to cōfute them how so euer the matter goe Althoe peraduēture Hosius wil not allow the wordes yet he dothe not disallow the meanyng For in all controuersies almost and namely touchyng the vse of the holy cōmunion vnder bothe kindes although Christes wordes be most plaine yet he cōtemptuously reiecteth them as colde and dead elementes and woulde haue vs beleue certain newe deuises prescribed by the Church and certain reuelations I know not what of the holy ghost And Albert Pighius saieth we ought not to beleue the wordes of the scripture althoe thei were moste manifest vnlesse the same be allowed by the interpretation and authoritie of the Churche Neuerthelesse as though this were but a smal matter they sticke not also to burne vp y e sacred scriptures as in time paste wicked kyng Aza did or as Antiochus or Maximinus did and these they ar wonte to cal heretikes bookes wherein they seeme to intende the same practise whiche Herode in time paste for the mayntenāce of his estate went about in Iury. For he wheras he was an Edomite a very straunger to the stocke and kinred of the Iewes and neuerthelesse couetid to be taken for a Iewe to the intent he might the rather establish for him and his posteritie his kingdome ouer thē the which he had before obtained at the handes of Augustus themperour commaunded all their enrolments of petigrees whiche euen from the time of Abrahā vnto that daye had bene diligentlie kepte amongest their recordes and by the which it might with out al error easily be
aucthority of y e Church of Rome by the same aucthorite haue theyr power strēgthes and also in their statutes y e Popes aucthorite is plainly and manifestly excepted If they thinke good to allow these thinges to what purpose are Councels called But if they determine to make them of no force wherefore be they left vncancelled in their bookes But let it be so hardely y t the Pope alone is aboue all Councels that is to say let some one parte be more then y e whole let him be of greater power of more wisdome then all his fellowes together Yea and though Hierome say nay let the aucthorite of one Citie be greater then of the whole world But what if he neuer saw nothing pertaining to these matters and neuer read neither the holy Scriptures nor the olde fathers nor his owne councels What if he as in time past Pope Liberius did should fall away to the Arrians Or as Pope Iohn not many yeares past should haue a wicked and a heathenishe opinion of the life to come of the immortality of soules Or as Pope Zosimus dyd afore time with the councell of Nice so he shoulde also now falsifie other coūcels for y e auācemēt of his powre and aucthoritie and those things which were neuer no not so much as thought those he should say were debated and decreed by the holy fathers and should as Camotenses saith the Popes are wont ofte times to doe violently racke the Scriptures to procure vnto himselfe the fulnesse of all power What if he abandone y e Christian faith and become an Apostata like as by the testimony of Lyran mani Popes haue done Trow ye y t notwithstanding all this the holy Ghost will knocke at his breast and kindle in him wil he or no yea altogither against his wil such a light as he can not erre Or shall he neuertheles be the fountaine of all law shall the whole treasure of wisedome and vnderstanding be foūd in him as it were in a iewel box or if these things be not in him may he be able in so great matters to iudge rightly and conuenienly Or if he can not iudge doth he require that all thinges should be referred vnto him What if the Abbots and Bysshops that are the Popes aduocates dissemble not at all but openly take vpon them to be enemies of the Gospel and wil not see that which they doe see and violently constraine the Scriptures and wittingly and aduisedly depraue and falsefy the worde of God and those thinges which are euidently and properlye spokē of Christ and can not be applyed to any other person doe filthilye and lewdely turne them vpon the Pope What if they saye that the Pope is all and aboue all Or that he can doe all thinges y t Christ can doe or that the Pope and Christ haue one chayre of state to giue iudgement in and one consistory or that he is that same light that came in to the worlde the which Christ pronounced only of hymselfe and that he that is an euill doer hateth and slyeth that light or that all other Bysshops haue receiued of his fulnesse To conclude what if they should not colorably or darkely but euidently and flatly make a decre contrary to the expresse worde of God Trow ye that whatsoeuer these men say that shall be straight waye the Gospell Trow ye this shal be gods army trow ye Christ will be present there Trow ye that the holy Ghost wil swimme in these mens tongues or that thei may say truely of themselues It hath semed good vnto the holy Ghost and to vs For so the Petrus a Soto and his puefellow Hosius are not afraide to affirme that the very same councell wherin Christ was adiudged to death had the spirit of prophecy the holy spirit the spirit of truth and y t it was not false nor a lye that which those Byshops said We haue a law according to the law he ought to dye and y t thei iudged for so Hosius doth write y e truth of y e iudgemēt And y t the same decree wherin they pronounced y t Christe was worthy of death was iuste to all respectes It is surely a merueilouse case y t these mē cā not pleade for thēself maintaine their own cause onlesse w tal they become the patrones of Annas and Caiphas For thei that will say that the very same councell wherein the sonne of God was most despitefully condemned to the Crosse was a lawefull and an vpright councell what councell I pray you will they allow to be corrupted But their councels in manner all of them being such as they bee it was necessary for them to giue this sentence of the councell of Annas and Caiphas But suppose ye that these men will restore vs the Church againe the selfe same being iudges that are themselues accused Will these men abate their ambition and pride wil they cast out themselues or giue sentēce against themselues that Bisshops shall not be vnlearned or that Bysshops shall not be sluggishe bellies or shal not heape benefice vpon benefice or shall not take vpon them to be Princes or shall not make warres Thinke you that Abbots the Popes dere children will make a decree that a Monke that seketh not to gett his liuing with his own labour is a theefe or that it is not lawefull for him to liue other in Cities or in places of much resorte or of other mens goodes and that a Monke ought to lye vpon y e grounde and to sustaine his life with herbes and pease apply himself to learning dispute pray worke and prepare himselfe to the ministery of the Church Surely euen as sone wyll the Pharisees and Scribes reforme the temple of God and of a den of theeues will restore it vnto vs to be an howse of praier There were some amongest them that espied out diuers errors in the Church as Pope Adriane Aeneas Siluius Cardinall Poole Pighius and others as we saide before They helde afterwardes a Councell at Trente euen in the same place where it is now holden There assembled diuers Bishops Abbots and others to whome the matter appertained they were alone whatsoeuer passed among them there was no man to gainesay it for as for our mē they had vtterly shut thē out from al conferēce There they satt in great expectation of the worlde sixe yeares the first sixe monethes as though the matter had been very nedefull they decreed many thinges of the holy Trinitee of the father of the Sonne of the holy Ghost good things in deede although for that time not very necessary Neuerthelesse in all thys meane tyme amongest so many errors so euident so oft by their owne mouthes confessed so manifest what one error did thei euer correct frō what kynde of Idolatry did they w tdraw the people What superstition did they take away What parte of theyr pompe and tyranny haue they abated